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2004-05-24 09:04 | User Profile
NICK BERG: STRANGER AND STRANGER - A.N.S.W.E.Rs ANYONE? [International Politics] Posted By: mailbag Date: Sunday, 16 May 2004, 12:07 a.m.
This whole Nick Berg thing is getting stranger by the moment. Some of the best parts are towards the bottom. Pay attention to how everyone mentioned below has a connection to A.N.S.W.E.R [url]http://www.internationalanswer.org/[/url]
We are told that he is Jewish and a Bush supporter and that he supports the war. His father Michael Berg, turns out to be working for a communist, Ramsey Clarke and his name is on a list of A.N.S.W.E.R. supporters, which basically reads as a communist and liberal who's who list. Ramsey Clarke's name is also on the list. (Click to see the list: [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts[/url])
Also there have been reports of that some of the terrorists were heard speaking Russian on the video. ( [url]http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/members/forum.cgi?read=48854[/url])
We are told that Nick worked setting up communications for the 2000 Republican National Convention. He also traveled extensively to places such as Israel, turkey, Iran, Iraq, Ghana, Uganda, Kenya we are told for work purposes and "to help people." Also he was carrying around a Koran with him in Iraq.
There is no trace of his business in Philadelphia other than people who have given interviews and said that he did work for their radio stations and similar things, however there is no website nor does it come up in a search ( [url]http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/members/forum.cgi?read=48866[/url])
What does show up in a search when you look for "Prometheus and Philadelphia" is The Prometheus Radio Project ( [url]http://www.prometheusradio.org/pirate.shtml[/url]), Which is an underground radio station funded by George Soros and The Ford Foundation, and other groups with the same agenda ( [url]http://old.valleyadvocate.com/articles/lowpower.html[/url])
There is also a Prometheus Radio Project/A.N.S.W.E.R. connection...
[url]http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1718[/url]
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Who Was Nick Berg? [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=13673[/url]
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Berg's Dad: Bush, Rumsfeld Killed My Son [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=13690[/url]
2004-05-24 18:52 | User Profile
[B]Assume: it is a .com event (intended for for 'terminal grotesque' impact on the content of global communication): "AMERICAN BEHEADED" [/B] ... then, almost immediately, but after a lapse to allow the horrific impact to sink in, [I]a Jew[/I] .
The dynamic, all are aware of, is over against [B]AMERICAN TORTURE IN ABU GHRAIB PHOTOS.[/B]. It is broadly recognized that in psychodynamic terms, Berg headlines "neutralized" torture headlines, in re "AMERICA".
[B]Hypothesis:[/B] It is arranged by pro-war faction to do the job of neutralizing. It uses the "double-double reverse negative" format to which I keep calling attention; as if one super-atrocity covered up another, but since the enemy of the later is preferred, both are O.K. -- the vissisitudes of being heroic Mr. Good Guy, the cross he must bear in misunderstood silence, etc.) ...[B]AND[/B] to scare off A.N.S.W.E.R., anti-war momentum, at the same time, by choice of victime (manipulating father, etc.).
IMHO: (Taken together) these point ineluctably to a dark op connected with M*ssad, plus pro-Bush/Cheney neocon affiliates.
The significance of this datum is its all-powerful, controlling effect on the psychodynamics. As a professor of philosophy of religion in the mid-90's at up-state New York, I had the class watch Passolini's [B]Salo[/B] . This was in response to a challenge by a member of the class who was blatently Jewish lesbian "What do you mean by 'evil'? It's just a word." I showed them Passolini's verson, then defended it as a deconstruction of what went "beyond words", for that aeon. (post- Mussolini Italy). It is a "terminal" film, so called. the viewer understands after a certain point it isn't going to get better, only worse; so they have the choice of continuing to watch or walk out. Those who stay know what they are staying for, and he gives it to them. In the last scene the totally debauched old man is only able to get an erection watchong kids being anally raped and slaughtered, through bicoculars, while a boy furiously brings him off in the specially designed chair. It is the climax of a certain feel, tone, style that has set in.
here are observations from elsewhere: 3. Passoliniââ¬â¢s film Salo: 120 Days of Sodom is specifically about anal rape of children, terminating in slaughter. All other forms of sexuality are prohibited: the ass is explicity eulogized as the most beautiful part of male or female anatomy, and a central scene features one of them getting screwed in it. But it is not pornography, nor is it allegory of Mussolini fascist mind-set ââ¬â how the wealthy class screws the young. It is more. The children are smeared with feces, held up for ridicule, made to perform sexual acts on each other, and to enjoy what they are doing because this is what there was for them. They are not allowed to say the word ââ¬ÅGodââ¬Â, nor does Passolini, to his credit, have any of them withdrawing into righteous spiritual poses. Itââ¬â¢s well beyond that. It is the deconstruction of this darkest and most wiolent, if not wicked source of male behavior. Salo is about the deconstruction of the group-fantasy of homosexual male rape that is now saturating America. And it is about evil.
I think a special explanation of this conjunction is needed for, pardon me, women to grasp. Perhaps being accustomed to body invasion already, one more opening might not seem so much, perhaps even liberating, for some who ââ¬Åneeded itââ¬Â. These thoughts are not strange, just not often expressed. And for good reason: not to feed prurience. But to state what IMHO is necessary, I shall try to rise to the occasion and put it like this.
Anal ââ¬Åloveââ¬Â cannot be distinguished from anal rape, by heterosexual (normal) males. This is where ââ¬Åloveââ¬Â first gets inverted. It is not love as two sexual opposites experience it, though perhaps feelings of physiologically based emotions akin to that. It is the inverse of masculine spirituality.
Now, Susan Sonntag is the paradigm 60ââ¬â¢s anti-Vietnam war liberal, up there with Ramsey Clarke. Both are heroes of The Left - American, I count it, whatever you think of the content of their work. "Communism" doesn't come into the pictutre, except in the bloated, corrupt form represented by Joe McCarthy and his boys Cohn and Nixon. And all the pro-Vietnam war Republicans, later to emerge under Reagan, via the blessing of Pat Buchan's "southern strategy" continue to agit-prop Stalin. This faction helped link pro-Jew interests to politicized Christian Zionism, preparing the way for religio-political opportunism of Falwell/Robertson/Netanyahu/DeLay (named for what his old man should have done), Bauer, and the feckless National Review, Free Republic americans. But let that pass, for now. The point is for the Right wing to dissociate itself from anal male rapists, and not silently accept the sacrificial beheading of Berg as 'redemptive counterpoint". That is a way of perpetuating Salo.
Whatever has gone on behind the curtain, these are the connections blaring through the level of consciousness processed by everyone attuned into mainstream communications. There is immediate, hyper- sensitivity to all matters pertaining to the shame of Abu Ghraib because it confirms what Passolini saw, and knew, in the way genius gnows.
The photographs are us, she deplores. Are these just the words of a self-hating bi-sexual Jew? One critic of remarks she made about 9/11 thought so. (brothersjudd.com 5.23.04)
I am going to dare suggest they are something more, however -- they are [B]THE LIMITS OF LIBERALISM[/B] She, and thers who protested the Vietnam war alongside myself dropped away from "the movement" over the years. Because they did not know it's well springs, but, in consequence, accepted its maleficent influence as a gnosis. And that leads, has led, to the condition that could be called "[B]systemic terminalism"[/B]: accepting a reality of interminable war, prison torture, photographs, anal rape victims, foreveer. Her last words are: "After all, we're at war. Endless war. And war is hell, more so than any of the people who got us into this rotten war seem to have expected. In our digital hall of mirrors, the pictures aren't going to go away. Yes, it seems that one picture is worth a thousand words. And even if our leaders choose not to look at them, there will be thousands more snapshots and videos. Unstoppable."
That is the limits of liberalism, as I saw it then, in 1967, when I deeply admired Susan Sonntag, and as I see it now. The re-birth-through rape-liberation this faction of Republicanism intends to get over on must be confronted, the way liberals did not, and cannot, confront their tormentors. Not to save their worthless *sses, but our own.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20040524/ap_on_re_us/sheriff_s_downfall_3&printer=1[/url]
2004-05-25 19:28 | User Profile
If you view the case from the angle that how government benefit from it. You should have no problem to solve it. And it also explained the question that the video was camaraed in a prison.
Timing played an important factor in any case. Madrid bombing took place three days before election, the motive obviously was aimed to help Aznar to win the election although it failed.
Beheading was thrown out at the peak of scandal of abusing Iraqi prisoners. Obviously used to turn round the tides of criticisms against Bush and Rumsfeld.
Berg's father and firm is on "enemies" list of a right wing group. Is this administration left wing or right wing? Who's the enemy of Berg?
Quote, "Berg's Father and Firm Were On A Right-Wing 'Enemies' List The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.
Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.
The official story of his gruesome murder http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/sports/horse_racing/kentucky_derby/8638882.htm has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews http://www.BreakForNews.com/ has uncovered a plausible explanation.
[url]http://www.BreakForNews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm[/url]
Berg decapitation video declared a fraud by doctor By: La Voz De Aztlan - News Bulletin on: 13.05.2004 [12:13 ] (482 reads)
The first casualty of war is the truth and this one has been no exception. La Voz de Aztlan obtained a copy of the video showing the beheading of American Nick Berg of Philadelphia and immediately something very odd was readily apparent. (1890 bytes)
The first casualty of war is the truth and this one has been no exception. La Voz de Aztlan obtained a copy of the video showing the beheading of American Nick Berg of Philadelphia and immediately something very odd was readily apparent. Not only were the purported screams of Nick Berg not in synchrony with the decapitation but their was also a total lack of blood spurting out as his jugular and other veins and arteries were being cut.
We forwarded the video to Doctor Raul Castro Guevara, a surgeon and forensic expert in Mexico City for his expert opinion. He wrote back and commented, "No hay manera que el individuo en el video estaba vivo y su corazon funcionando cuando le estaban cortando la cabeza. En estos casos, el corazon impela sangre con gran presion, y se corta las arterias del pezqueso, hay una gran cantidad de sangre que salpica por todos lados. En mi opinion el video es un fraude."
Doctor Raul Castro Guevara is saying that there is no way that the individual in the video was alive and his heart pumping while his neck was being cut. The doctor adds that in these cases, while the heart is pumping, cutting a person artery in the neck, would cause copious amounts of blood to spurt all over the immediate environment. He says that in his opinion the video is a fraud.
[url]http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=5667[/url]
2004-05-27 13:57 | User Profile
[FONT=Verdana]David Irving has posted a plausible explanation of the Nick Berg:
Evidence accumulates that Nick Berg was killed at Abu Ghraib in a gruesome PsyOps event to take atrocities pressure off Bush
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The destruction of Abu Ghraib prison is a continuation of the Bush Administration's relentless war against damaging evidence -- Air National Guard records, arrest records, Laura's emergency room visits after drunken beatings, 9/11 records, etc. [/FONT]