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Quantrill [OP]

2004-05-20 13:37 | User Profile

*Here is a Telegraph article I saw on Amren. It outlines how Helen Suzman, the most prominent anti-apartheid voice in the old South African parliament, has reconsidered, and now thinks black rule has been a disaster. So, of what background do you think this woman is, who did so much to destroy the old South Africa? Any guesses? Well, the article does not give you the answer openly, but it is there for us careful readers --

[size=2]Her energy and relentless criticism of the apartheid regime was formidable, and earned her anti-Semitic and sexist attacks in parliament, where for six years she was the only woman politician—referred to as “the lady from Lithuania”. She retired from politics in 1989 with 28 honorary doctorates and two nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize

Anti-Semitic attacks, eh? Goodness gracious, but that can only mean that she is (gasp!) a Jew!*

[/size] [center][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+2][url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F05%2F16%2Fwsuz16.xml"]Democracy? It Was Better Under Apartheid, Says Helen Suzman[/url][/size][/font][size=2] [/size] [/center]

           [size=2]As South Africa celebrates the passing                of a decade since its first free elections, Mrs Suzman has cast                an unexpected shadow over the party—declaring that parliamentary                democracy was healthier under the apartheid regime.[/size]

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                        [size=2]As she sat in the study of her home                in one of Johannesburg’s smartest white suburbs last week,                the veteran human rights campaigner confessed that she was disappointed                by the African National Congress government which she had worked                so tirelessly to get into power.[/size]

           [size=2]“I had hoped for something much                better,” said Mrs Suzman, 86. “The poor in this country                have not benefited at all from the ANC. This government spends ‘like                a drunken sailor’. Instead of investing in projects to give                people jobs, they spend millions buying weapons and private jets,                and sending gifts to Haiti.”[/size]

           [size=2]Dressed in a blue blouse, trousers                and matching jewellery, Mrs Suzman’s tiny frame became powerfully                animated as she discussed the subject of Zimbabwe and President                Thabo Mbeki’s failure to curb the excesses of his neighbour,                President Robert Mugabe.[/size]

           [size=2]“Mugabe has destroyed that country                while South Africa has stood by and done nothing. The way Mugabe                was feted at the inauguration last month was an embarrassing disgrace.                But it served well to illustrate very clearly Mbeki’s point                of view.”[/size]

           [size=2]She gestured fiercely with the manicured                middle finger of her right hand and added: “Mugabe has done                that to the whites, and I think that is exactly what Mbeki admires                about him. Don’t think for a moment that Mbeki is not anti-white—he                is, most definitely. His speeches all have anti-white themes and                he continues to convince everyone that there are two types of South                African—the poor black and the rich white.[/size]

           [size=2]“Meanwhile, he doesn’t do                what he should be doing, which is improving the lives of the people                who voted for him. Mbeki’s attitudes to Mugabe and to HIV/Aids                are the reason we are not getting the levels of foreign investment                that we should.”[/size]

           [size=2]Mrs Suzman was a lecturer in economic                history before beginning her political career in 1953 as an MP for                the United Party. Six years later she founded the Progressive Party,                and for 13 years was its sole MP. She was a regular visitor to Nelson                Mandela and other ANC leaders during their long incarceration on                Robben Island.[/size]

           [size=2]Between 1961 and 1974 she bombarded                the ruling National Party government with parliamentary questions                about the detailed workings of apartheid: forced removals, racial                classification, convictions for pass offences, immorality laws and                Bantu education. All were recorded in South Africa’s Hansard—two                rows of which now line her study walls. “That’s my life                in there,” she said, her tiny arm sweeping along the shelves.                “Of course, it would never be possible today to ask as many                questions as I did.”[/size]

           [size=2]One reason is the abandonment of the                first-past-the-post system under South Africa’s post-apartheid                constitution, she said. “I used to be a fan of proportional                representation, but I am not at all now I have seen it in action.                Debate is almost non-existent and no one is apparently accountable                to anybody apart from their political party bosses. It is bad news                for democracy in this country. Even though we didn’t have a                free press under apartheid, the government of that day seemed to                be very much more accountable in parliament.”[/size]

           [size=2]Her energy and relentless criticism                of the apartheid regime was formidable, and earned her anti-Semitic                and sexist attacks in parliament, where for six years she was the                only woman politician—referred to as “the lady from Lithuania”.                She retired from politics in 1989 with 28 honorary doctorates and                two nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize.[/size]

           [size=2]Her probing continues unabated through                the work of The Helen Suzman Foundation, which scrutinises elections,                voter choice and the conduct of political parties in South Africa,                Zimbabwe and other African countries. “I am supposed to be                retired, but my diary is as full as ever,” she said with a                smile.[/size]

           [size=2]Around the study, photographs of her                with Mr Mandela, Hillary Clinton and parliamentary colleagues jostle                with family snapshots. Like many other white South Africans, Mrs                Suzman has seen her two children move overseas. A system of positive                discrimination and labour laws that impose strict quota systems                on employers have led thousands of skilled whites to pursue their                careers elsewhere.[/size]

           [size=2]“The employment laws are completely                unrealistic,” she said. The previous education system, she                said, left a generation of black children without the skills for                the jobs into which they are now being pushed.[/size]

           [size=2]“You cannot overcome that in                only 10 years. It will take at least another generation before young                people are properly qualified. It is increasingly hard for young                white people to find jobs, and I can understand why white parents                are worried about the future,” she said.[/size]

           [size=2]Perhaps conscious that she might be                misconstrued, she added firmly: “For all my criticisms of the                current system, it doesn’t mean that I would like to return                to the old one. I don’t think we will ever go the way of Zimbabwe,                but people are entitled to be concerned. I am hopeful about any                future for whites in this country—but not entirely optimistic.”[/size]

General Rommel

2004-05-20 15:47 | User Profile

My fondest wish is that a black intruder sneaks into Ms. Suzman's house one night, rapes her insanely, then slits her scrawny, terror-shrieking throat. She deserves nothing less than that.

edward gibbon

2004-05-20 19:43 | User Profile

[QUOTE=General Rommel]My fondest wish is that a black intruder sneaks into Ms. Suzman's house one night, rapes her insanely, then slits her scrawny, terror-shrieking throat. She deserves nothing less than that.[/QUOTE]When I first read this I thought this might be just too harsh. But after reflecting on her career, her brazen dishonesty and her feigned innocence I believe this would be too quick.

Such a treasure should be passed around for the pleasure of her fellow citizens.

Happy Hacker

2004-05-20 22:59 | User Profile

Black rule helped solve South Africa's massive black immigration problem.

Faust

2004-05-21 09:50 | User Profile

General Rommel,

Cann't disagree with that:

[QUOTE]My fondest wish is that a black intruder sneaks into Ms. Suzman's house one night, rapes her insanely, then slits her scrawny, terror-shrieking throat. She deserves nothing less than that. [/QUOTE]

But as edward gibbon said change that to "black intruder" to "a large group of black intruders"

She speaks the truth and them recants: [QUOTE]?For all my criticisms of the current system, it doesn?t mean that I would like to return to the old one. I don?t think we will ever go the way of Zimbabwe, but people are entitled to be concerned. I am hopeful about any future for whites in this country?but not entirely optimistic.?-Helen Suzman [/QUOTE]

What nonsense!

Death to Marxist!

Walter Yannis

2004-05-21 10:43 | User Profile

Helen Suzman = Jewess?

Walter

Quantrill

2004-05-21 12:38 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Helen Suzman = Jewess?

Walter[/QUOTE] Yes, Walter, I think she is. Buried in the article it was mentioned that her incessant treason had brought "sexist and anti-semitic attacks" upon her poor, little self.

Walter Yannis

2004-05-21 13:46 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Quantrill]Yes, Walter, I think she is. Buried in the article it was mentioned that her incessant treason had brought "sexist and anti-semitic attacks" upon her poor, little self.[/QUOTE]

No surprise there.

Joe Slovo was one of the big ANC Yids, was he not?

So, der Yiddische got what they wanted in SA - and they don't seem to like it very much. They seem surprised that the boolies don't feel grateful for all there help, and don't seem to see much need in keeping them around.

I sometimes think the Jews are idiot savants. You know, they're geniuses at seizing power via subversion and conspiracy but complete doofuses when it comes to hanging on to it.

Walter