← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · JimX
Thread ID: 13791 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2004-05-19
2004-05-19 20:28 | User Profile
I contend that Berg was an innocent patsy, who went out to Iraq to work. He went to the middle east taking huge risks as he did so, and that must have been obvious to him before he went there. He passed from US army arrest to the ÃÂ¥oppositionÃÂ¥ instantaneously as he father observes! Very convenient!
Consider who gains from his death.
The USA is on the back foot at present taking deserved abuse from the world at large. The war in Iraq is illegal, and the real cause is a wish to take over the land for access to ancient sites. There are many old sites in Iraq, and they were the FIRST things America seized and secured when they went into Iraq. They kicked out the locals and archaeologists working there and built walls round them all. WMDââ¬â¢s were a smoke screen! The oil was a minor consideration!
The CIA killed Berg as it does anyone who crosses it, or as in this case, when a murder serves their purposes. Outrage a comatose US public by committing a gruesome murder on TV and try to swing public opinion behind Bush! That is what happened! The CIA/Mossad killed Berg. In most instances, they are indistinguishable one from the other.
But, when the Muslims do start really retaliating, which articles like those on abuse of prisoners in jail will do, it will stir them to and then you can watch out.[URL=http://www.wiolawapress.com/berg.htm]CLICK HERE[/URL]
2004-05-19 20:30 | User Profile
Rumsfeld and Myers went to iraq to get Nick Bergs head! They are bringing it back to yale to place it on the sacred altar next to Geronimo's. Such an important task could only be entrusted to such senior officials, President Bush will be going to the Yale campus within two weeks to attend the ceremony at the tomb of skull and bones. Mark this down, watch the news bush will be on the Yale campus within two weeks.
2004-05-19 21:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JimX][URL=http://www.wiolawapress.com/berg.htm]CLICK HERE[/URL][/QUOTE]
I don't think so, Jim.
2004-05-22 21:45 | User Profile
I have received information via mIRC from one of my sources inside The Government that Rumsfeld, Myers, GWB and Bush Sr. will be transported to Yale in one of the CIA's SR-71 spy planes, once over the campus they will perform a HALO (high altitude low opening) sky dive so they can enter the campus covertly and deliver The Berg Skull to The Skull and Bones Society and attend the ceremony without attracting ANY media attention.
This is why Bush Sr. has been practicing his skydiving skills [url]http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/2463979[/url]
2004-05-22 21:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]I don't think so, Jim.[/QUOTE] Who the hell are you? I'll bet you're some FED thats afraid someone will visit [URL=http://www.wiolawapress.com/berg.htm]The Site[/URL] and learn the truth about the Berg killing. EVERYBODY already knows this forum is operated by the CIA out Langley VA.
2004-05-22 21:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JimX]Who the hell are you? I'll bet you're some FED thats afraid someone will visit [URL=http://www.wiolawapress.com/berg.htm]The Site[/URL] and learn the truth about the Berg killing. EVERYBODY already knows this forum is operated by the CIA out Langley VA.[/QUOTE]
What asylum are you posting from?
2004-05-22 22:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]What asylum are you posting from?[/QUOTE]
What's this?!?!? Another FED I'll bet. Notice how he attempts to discredit me by making the absurd claim that I'm posting from an asylum. That's a typical tactic that The Soviets used against their dissidents, it's also a sure sign of a FED :angry:
2004-05-22 22:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JimX]What's this?!?!? Another FED I'll bet. Notice how he attempts to discredit me by making the absurd claim that I'm posting from an asylum. That's a typical tactic that The Soviets used against their dissidents, it's also a sure sign of a FED :angry:[/QUOTE]
OK, maybe I misunderstood your remark.
Did you mean to suggest that Original Dissent was a CIA op operated out of Langley?
2004-05-22 22:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]
Did you mean to suggest that Orginal Dissent was a CIA op operated out of Langley?[/QUOTE]
It could be.
2004-05-22 22:06 | User Profile
Evidence?
2004-05-22 22:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Evidence?[/QUOTE] I'm still waiting for confirmation from my sources inside The Government. It's obvious that many online forums are being used by The Government to gather tactical information on dissidents in North America who are not willing to bow to the will of The New World Order
2004-05-22 22:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JimX]I'm still waiting for confirmation from my sources inside The Government. It's obvious that many online forums are being used by The Government to gather tactical information on dissidents in North America who are not willing to bow to the will of The New World Order[/QUOTE]
Frankly, Jim, you come across like a government agent or an AP.
How is it that you know so much about Bush's plans?
How is it that you're on such good terms with a "source" within the government with access that kind of information?
2004-05-23 10:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JimX]EVERYBODY already knows this forum is operated by the CIA out Langley VA.[/QUOTE]
No Jim, you must've missed it. The jews at FR already outed me as a Black Panther working under deep cover to gather info on white nationalists.
Too black, too strong! :afro: :thumbsup:
2004-05-23 11:41 | User Profile
YOU GUYS ROCK!
2004-05-23 18:09 | User Profile
The "house of reptilian satanism"?
Did i read that right?
2004-05-23 19:42 | User Profile
klatu.... verada..... nikto.......
2004-05-24 03:13 | User Profile
JimX,
You should not stand so close to high voltage power lines when you are wearing your tinfoil interstelar cosmic wave deflector hat. :thumbsup:
2004-05-24 08:30 | User Profile
I liked the part with 79-year-old George the First skydiving over Yale like freakin' Blackhawk and clutching the severed head all the way down.
2004-05-24 08:47 | User Profile
Guess, those group homes are starting to let the residents have un-supervised access to P.C.'s now........ HAAAA....
2004-05-24 11:15 | User Profile
The reptilian theory can be wieved at David Icke.com, he does have some fascinating theories and I guess not everything is meant to be taken all litterarily. Taken as a metaphor we all agree to the claim. (?)
You'll also find some interesting insights into the Catholic Church sex scandal, and also other enourmous sex and peadophelia scandals. Quite big and old this system of abuse, not many seem to have gone free of it.. Not even Arabs it seems..
It has been said that power will corrupt, and really what is there to control and stop the powerful from spiralling into the most decadent underworlds of our western culture?
Think about it, the Bush family are from European nobility, the Windsors. Could there possebly be any behavioral skeletons in the cellar doungeons, still creaping along since times old?
How much fun could you get out of Kim Il Bush Sung Jr., if you could have put him into a lie detector? - Had any naughty bloodfests on the Bohemian Groove lawns lately?
Look around at the society we live in! There is evil at every corner, and you're the first to point that one out. Now, good people, what does this really tell us about the ruling class?
How deep and dark do you think this really runs?
2004-05-24 11:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]No Jim, you must've missed it. The jews at FR already outed me as a Black Panther working under deep cover to gather info on white nationalists.
Too black, too strong! :afro: :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
I guess I should gots expected dat ya wuz actually uh brudda in disguise, Tex-ass man. You've done uh fine job o' outing deez redneck whitey bastards, but whatcha doin' done talkin' bout it. I thought da decision wuz ta keep silent on dat point, you know das right! Shoot, nigga, ya done blowed my cover 'n sh*t.
An don't make me pull mah gat!
Sheeeiiiitt!!
:afro:
2004-05-24 11:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ruffin]klatu.... verada..... nikto.......[/QUOTE]
That's "Klaatu barada nikto."
m'kah?
Walter
2004-05-24 16:52 | User Profile
Actually, Agent klatu and I are from different sides of the planet. Regional dialects and all, you know. That's why Gort appeared confused and would pause upon receiving instructions.
2004-05-24 18:33 | User Profile
Although Marc Perkel is not considered generally to be a good source on information, some of this seems credible:
[url]http://tinyurl.com/25ybg[/url]
Marc Perkel Berg Video - SMOKING GUN? Sat May 22, 2004 22:18 64.140.159.39
[url]http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html[/url]
OK - we may have the in smoking gun the Berg video that proves the Nick Berg was killed by Americans at Abu Ghraib prison. In addition to all the other evidence that I posted on my blog, I have been seeing some messages that if proved to be so answers the question as to who really killed Berg.
There has been a semi-secret government initiative to add digital signatures to various digital consumer products. Photocopiers and digital cameras store an encrypted signature to identify the unit that made the video. This digitial signature is totally inique to each device and is more unique than a fingerprint.
Today new pictures were released of prison torture at Abu Ghraib prison. But not just still pictures. Today video was released showing prisoners being tortured by Americans. Aparently Kodak film experts are Kodak Park in Rochester New York have compared the digital watermarks of the turture video and the beheading video and have determined that one of the cameras used in the Nick Berg beheading is THE SAME CAMERA that took the prison torture video.
If this turns out to be true then there is NO DOUBT that Berg was killed by Americans at Abu Ghraib prison.
I urge all of you to press to find out if this story is actually true, and if so - HOLY SHIT !!!
[SNIP] CNN said initially that they were sure the voice was NOT al-Zarqawi. The CIA however confirms that it is. Isn't that amazing! I listen to the voices and it doesn't sound like the voices of someone who speaks Arabic as their first language.
But you see - it's not about the voices that make you think it's not al-Zarqawi. In May 2002 Zarqawi traveled to Iraq. He had his leg amputated and had a prosthetic limb to replace it. So - for a guy with ONE LEG al-Zarqawi is VERY NIMBLE on his feet! So - make you wonder how well the CIA thought things through when they decided to play terrorist? [SNIP] [url]http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html[/url]
"When you are in a state of non-acceptance, it is difficult to learn. A clenched fist can not receive a gift and a clenched psyche - grasped tightly against the reality of what most not be accepted - can not, easily, receive a lesson" Roger John ===================================
Arabs aren't buying Berg Execution
[url]http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2785[/url]
It would appear that I am not the only one wearing a tin foil hat. A lot of other people are raising the same questions I've been raising about the Nick Berg beheading. This article doesn't go as for as I did to conclude Americans did it - but they take you right up to the edge of that conclusion.
The video of execution of American hostage Nick Berg in Iraq is threatening to develop into a major scandal. During a press conference the father of the beheaded American accused Bush and Rumsfeld of killing his son. There are more and more suspicions that Nick Berg was really executed not by Arab militants, but by the US intelligence services in order to divert the attention from the scandal about the tortures in Baghdad prison.
First there was a report that a video showing an execution of an American expert captured in Iraq was shown on a so-called 'Islamic extremist' website. It was reported that the execution was carried out by a group of guerillas tied to Al-Qaeda in order to take revenge for the tortures that the American soldiers did to Iraqi inmates.
The video shows five men, whose faces are hidden behind black masks and traditional Arab scarves. They all are standing around a tied-up man with an orange suit on, the kind of suit inmates wear. The victim says to the camera: ëMy name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan. I have a brother and a sister, David and Sarah. I live in Philadelphiaû.
After these words they got him down on the floor, put a big knife to his throat and cut his head off, while screaming 'Allah Akbar' ('God is Great'). The video footage was called ëAbu Musab Al-Zarqawi shows killing of an Americanû. A day before the video was shown, Mr. Berg's parents were told that their son's body was found near a highway in Baghdad. The scene of the execution and the comments on it were the number one news in the world's mass media for some time.
Then the CIA experts released a statement saying that Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was the man in mask who beheaded the US citizen Nick Berg in front of a camera. Then Western commentators and moralists took over and launched a campaign to vindicate the Americans exposed for torturing Iraqi inmates.
Compared to the brutal murder of an American with cutting his head off, the tortures of Iraqis in prisons started looking like minor pranks of undisciplined soldiers. Another factor was that the beheaded victim was a Jew, which was picked up by the Zionists immediately to justify their actions and to show what kind of enemy they have to be dealing with.
However, so many questions arose about the videotape that all accusers of so-called 'Islamists' got quiet right away and the subject disappeared from the agenda in the world's media.
Many questions came up, and they are all pointing out that the accusations by Mr. Berg's father against the US authorities on killing his son have very serious grounds.
The first suspicion was caused by a video where Berg was wearing an orange American jail suit. Berg was arrested by the Americans and had time to tell his friend that he was in an American prison. Intelligence services were denying this and were saying that Berg was arrested by the Iraqi police for Israeli stamps in his passport. But later on it turned out that he was questioned by Americans, and FBI agents came to his parents' house to find out whether he was involved in any terrorist activities.
Berg's e-mail showed that he was held in custody by the Americans. Turned out that an American was held in an American prison and beheaded right after he was presumably released.
In this connection there is a question whether the American was released from prison at all. If he was, and if he was late for his flight because of the arrest, as his parents first claimed, then why he ended up being captured by 'terrorists' and dressed in an American jail suit? How would militants even get a suit like this in the first place, and why would they make their hostage put it on?
The experts who saw the video say that the man posing as Jordanian native Zarqawi does not speak the Jordanian dialect. Zarqawi has an artificial leg, but none of these murderers did. The man presented as Zarqawi had a yellow ring, presumably a golden one, which Muslim men are banned from wearing, especially so-called fundamentalists.
The experts mentioned that the man calls Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) 'Gracious Prophet', while it is only Allah, Whom Muslims call 'Gracious'.
More and more questions are coming up about Mr. Berg's murder and some of them have already been presented to the country's leadership by the American public.
But major American mass media, which support the war in Iraq, are ignoring this information.
Infowars.com published the material titled ëThis is a 98 % secret US operationû. The chair that Nick Berg was sitting on before the execution was the same as the chairs in Abu-Ghraib prison, where tortures were being committed. These chairs were brought by the US army. It was also reported that even though Nick Berg was a civilian, for some reason his body was delivered to a US Air Force base in Dover, where the dead servicemen are brought.
Meanwhile more and more new circumstances are being revealed when the video is being studied. The doctors are saying that there is almost no blood shown during the beheading, while normally a lot of blood would have been gushing if the person were alive. No blood was seen around it or on the hands of the one who cut the head off. Then it must have been a dead person who was beheaded.
All militants filmed on the video footage are too fat for the Iraqi standards, especially for militants, and they all had white palms of their hands. When the video was studied it turned out that the scream shown in this footage was recorded earlier and it was probably a woman's scream.
The weapons that the murderers were holding in their hands resemble AKs, but the experts claim that this is a modified AK-47, Israeli-made Halil.
All Islamic organizations, including the ones accused of terrorism, have condemned this act. Nothing has been heard about Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi for the past few months, and there has been a rumor going on that he died in a bombing.
If he did take part in beheading the American and wanted to make it known this way (even the video was called ëAbu Musab Al-Zarqawi shows killing of an Americanû), then why did he need to put a mask on or close his face with a scarf?
But if he has nothing to do with it, and somebody decided to use his name, then it would be quite natural to expect Zarqawi to deny the allegations about his involvement in Mr. Berg's execution. But no denials have been heard. Especially when such a denial would have been appropriate after all Islamic organizations and the Iraqis condemned this murder.
This fact means that Zarqawi may not be alive. Those who put on that show knew that Zarqawi could no longer deny whatever they accuse him of.
Will the US government be able to deny what Mr. Berg's parents and the public are accusing it of? Probably, the experts, who manage to find Arab passports and the Holy Koran under a tumbled-down and melted skyscraper, will make something up this time as well? If they don't, they you should expect some new movies and new terrorist acts to be made by the joint effort of Hollywood and the CIA. [url]http://marc.perkel.com/[/url]