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2004-05-13 03:40 | User Profile
...and why is everyone saying such wonderful things about him?
[url]http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/051304dnintberg.2294f.html[/url]
[B]U.S.: Berg was warned to leave; mystery surrounds his Iraq stay [/B]
09:47 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq – U.S. authorities said Wednesday that a young American who was beheaded by militants had been warned by the FBI to leave Iraq and was offered a plane ride to safety at a time when a new wave of violence spread across the country, making road travel extremely dangerous.
Mystery surrounded Nick Berg's disappearance and also why he had been held by Iraqi police for about two weeks and questioned by FBI agents three times. Mr. Berg's family disputed U.S. officials' contentions that Mr. Berg was never in U.S. custody.
"The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do, the FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they're kidding?" Mr. Berg's father, Michael, told The Associated Press from his home in West Chester, Pa., a Philadelphia suburb.
At the White House, President Bush said that "there's no justification" for Nick Berg's execution and that those who beheaded him wanted to "shake" America's resolve in bringing democracy to Iraq.
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U.S.: Berg was warned to leave; mystery surrounds his Iraq stay
Berg's e-mails show color before capture
Friend shares e-mails victim wrote from Iraq Mr. Berg was last in contact with U.S. officials in Baghdad on April 10, and his body was found Saturday in Baghdad. Staff members at the $30-a-night Al-Fanar Hotel in Baghdad told the AP that Mr. Berg stayed there for several days until April 10.
Two e-mails sent by Mr. Berg to his family and friends show the 26-year-old telecommunications expert traveled widely and unguarded throughout Iraq – an unsafe practice rarely done by Westerners.
Flight home offered
The FBI warned Mr. Berg shortly before his disappearance that Iraq was too volatile a place for unprotected American civilians, but he turned down a State Department offer to fly him home, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
Michael Berg said his son refused a U.S. offer in early April to board an outbound charter jet because he believed travel to the airport was too dangerous. American soldiers refer to the airport highway as "RPG Alley" because of frequent attacks by insurgents firing rocket-propelled grenades.
According to the State Department, the younger Mr. Berg told an American diplomat in Baghdad that he preferred to travel on his own to Kuwait.
"At that time, the U.S. consular officer extended an offer to assist Mr. Berg to depart Iraq by plane to Jordan," said State Department spokeswoman Kelly Shannon. "We'd already discussed that possibility with his family, and we mentioned that to him, obviously, when we talked to him on the 10th."
Mr. Berg's family said he had intended to leave the country on March 30, but his detention prevented him from doing so.
Mr. Berg first worked in Iraq in December and January and returned in March. He was inspecting communications facilities, some of which were destroyed in the war or by looters.
During his time in Iraq, he struggled with the Arabic language and worked at night on a tower in Abu Ghraib, a site of repeated attacks on U.S. convoys and the location of the notorious prison where U.S. soldiers abused Iraqi inmates.
Michael Berg told the AP that Nick's paternal aunt, now dead, married an Iraqi man named Mudafer, who became close to Nick. In one of the e-mails, Nick Berg describes going to the northern city of Mosul, where he introduced himself to Mudafer's brother, identified as Moffak Mustaffa.
Met uncle's brother
"We got along splendidly," Mr. Berg wrote. "We spent a few hours and I helped him establish an e-mail account."
Mr. Berg notes that "my presence ... made him more concerned (about his own safety and probably mine too) than I've been the entire time I've been here."
The young man was beheaded on a video posted Tuesday on a Web site. It bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American," referring to an associate of Osama bin Laden who is believed to be behind a wave of suicide bombings in Iraq.
In Washington, Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it was likely that Mr. al-Zarqawi was "the lead perpetrator." Mr. Al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, is wanted in the killing of an American diplomat in Jordan in 2002 and is suspected of ordering many suicide bombings in Iraq.
U.S. spokesmen Dan Senor and Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt offered statements of condolence to Mr. Berg's family and to draw attention to the barbarity of his death. Mr. Senor also said that "to my knowledge," Mr. Berg was not affiliated with any U.S. or coalition organization, nor was he ever in U.S. custody.
However, Mr. Senor said Iraqi police arrested Mr. Berg in Mosul on March 24 because local authorities believed he may have been involved in "suspicious activities."
Mr. Senor refused to say more, citing the sensitivity of the case. But he confirmed that the Americans were aware Mr. Berg was in custody.
Visits from FBI
"U.S. authorities were notified," he said. "The FBI visited Mr. Berg on three occasions and determined that he was not involved with any criminal or terrorist activity."
Mr. Senor also said that Mr. Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces."
However, Mr. Berg told his family that U.S. officials took custody of him soon after his arrest and that he was not allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer, his father said.
Gen. Kimmitt said U.S. forces kept tabs on Mr. Berg during his confinement to make sure he was being fed and properly treated because "he was an American citizen."
2004-05-13 05:17 | User Profile
I know this brutally insensitive, but after reading this and hearing zio-con Charlie Krauthammer verify that Nic was offered a trip out of Iraq, I nominate Nic Berg for a Darwin Award. He deserves this award for gross stupidity of the first degree. It is bad enough that he has a U.S. citizenship, but to be a Jew on top of it in that part of the world makes about as much sense as a Jew living in Switzerland in 1944 deciding he wants to take a spring vacation in Germany.
This doesn't excuse the animals who beheaded him for a minute. I am simply putting this in perspective.
2004-05-13 11:57 | User Profile
The family sounds like trouble with international ties, ANSWER. Asking for it, 26 year old, alone, Israel stamp on passport, riding around at midnight in Iraq ...jewish heritage and surname. The guy have a death wish?
Then, stayed around four days after released, in the bloodiest month of the war, in Ragdad. Even after on US flight out was offered. Courage is one thing, foolishness gets one killed.
2004-05-13 12:47 | User Profile
Linder on Berg as the story was breaking:
[I]"My guess on Berg without knowing any particulars was that he was a jew, and that he was in Iraq probably through some carpetbaggy kikey connections whereby some hebe contractor connected up through the DOD was gefilting itz pockets. It was a smart move by whoever killed him to pick a jew rather than an American."[/I]
Linder-bashers will no doubt focus on the callousness of that kiss-off line, but if the sentence previous to it makes sense to you - and it does to me - then maybe that 'smart move' remark isn't as inhumane as it seems.
2004-05-13 13:17 | User Profile
ruyk ruyk ruyk..... he he he ha hah ha ho ho ho.
Did they roll his head? The only head I've actually seen roll was in that great movie "Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte", and it was probably a fake. They didn't snuff 'em for effect, then.
I don't believe men the stature of Berg really die. They are out there ... somewhere... sending messages, hope, panties for towelheads....
2004-05-13 20:05 | User Profile
Coming home from visiting relatives on Tuesday, I passed West Chester, Pa, the home of young Berg. The mourners were out. The wailing had started.
My answer would be that young Berg would have been much safer and done far more if carried a rifle while wearing an army uniform. But around here my sentiments are not publicly shared.
2004-05-13 20:13 | User Profile
I've been hearing that at least Berg's father is blaming the United States Government for his son's death. He's right, too.
2004-05-14 01:37 | User Profile
Meanwhile, the family said Berg had been questioned by the FBI more than a year ago about a contact he had with a terrorism suspect in 1999, while he was a student at the University of Oklahoma in Norman.
Some reports have said the suspect may have been Sept. 11 suspect Zacarias Moussaoui, but David Berg said that is not true. Nicholas Berg only went to school there in 1999; Moussaoui enrolled in a flight school in Norman in February 2001.
Michael Berg told reporters Thursday that his son was cleared of any wrongdoing. He said Nicholas Berg met the suspect while riding the bus to classes, and had allowed the suspect to use his computer.
[URL=http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/world/8658713.htm]Berg questioned by FBI in regards to contact with Moussaoui[/URL]
Spy for Israel?
2004-05-14 04:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE]My answer would be that young [B]Berg would have been much safer and done far more if carried a rifle while wearing an army uniform[/B]. But around here my sentiments are not publicly shared.[/QUOTE]
C'mon, Ed, you more than anyone know that doesn't happen with "Bergs" very often. 1488 American Jews in uniform - in a war designed and fought for Israel's benefit and protection? There are several times that number serving in the IDF in some capacity!
If all the speculation is groundless and he was merely there to cash in on the 'opportunities' offered by a conquered nation, then he was running an insane risk in the pursuit of a carpetbagging dollar. If he was there for murkier reasons, the likelihood that it will come to light is questionable.
2004-05-14 07:11 | User Profile
Edward,
I had similar thoughts about Berg and military service. Neo-con talk radio has been putting out the story that Berg was a Bush supporter and supported "The War on Terror." Apparently not enough to join the Armed Forces. I reckon the Iraqi gold rush was too tempting to turn down.
I contrast this with Pat Tillman's noble sacrifice.
2004-05-14 13:19 | User Profile
You don't hear the neocons mention that the Berg father was the son's business manager (meaning it was bankrolled by the father). I saw where the son didn't even have an AA degree in electronics. How does one go from showing starving people how to press bricks, to dealing with sophisticated communication tower equipment and repair at 26. Also, the guy's email account in OK was used by Zacarias Moussaoui in OK, and the FBI said it was just a coincidence.
I'm not a conspiracy buff, but Nick Berg had too many "coincidental connections" with possible Iraqi resistance. The threat to him was not from the Muslims, but from Israelis and CPA zealots.
This al-Zarkawi's MO was as a bomber, not a street soldier. However, his name gets a conditiond response from the American public.
It makes more sense that Nick Berg did have protection in Iraq, working against the CPA. He did not have protection against the CPA and CIA. The US and their goons marked him and fed him to the Israeli meat grinder. But, before that was done, they needed final confirmation before the hit. Berg still stayed after his was releeased and supposedly went to this brother of his Iraqi brother in law, knowing his threat was from the US and not Iraqis. He figured he'd been napped and released. Being a snotty rookie, was feeling like he was getting over the FBI and CIA at this point. My bet is that the brother worked for the CPA and was posing as a terrorist for Nick. The CIA wanted that last confirming contact and then it was time to shoot the film that "justified" the prison cruelty Bush signed off on. Crazy? It makes a hell of a lot more sense than what Bush's people are selling.
2004-05-15 06:44 | User Profile
Now this just odd
"Coincidence": Beheaded Berg's encounter with 'terrorist' revealed - Government sources said Berg gave the man his password, which was later used by Moussaoui. The man who used Berg's e-mail knew Moussaoui, now awaiting trial on federal charges that could bring a death sentence.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/[/url]
Related links:
Who was "Nick Berg" and why was he executed? [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=13660[/url]
Berg's Dad: Bush, Rumsfeld Killed My Son [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=13690[/url]
2004-05-15 06:45 | User Profile
Berg's Father and Firm Were On ''Free Republic's'' 'Enemies' List
[International Politics] by Fintan Dunne, Editor BreakForNews.com EXCLUSIVE Research by Kathy McMahon 12th May, 2004 10amET
[SiaNews Note: We often run articles with which we do not agree, for the sake of Public Discussion; in this case, the writer Fintan Dunne has taken a swipe at Michael Rivero, who is a Friend of Liberty and a good personal friend of mine. Free Republic, on the other hand, is a pile of you-know-what, as Mr. Dunne has pegged it.]
The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.
Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.
The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation.
The FreeRepublic.com web site and forum has a reputation for right-wing views, fanatical Republicanism and relentless pro-war activism...
On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum.
It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy."
The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. The protest was being organized under the banner of the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism).
Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: "Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc."
That's Nick Berg's father, Michael who acts as business manager for his son in their family radio communications firm, Prometheus Methods Tower Service.
Both father and son cared deeply about Iraq. But they were on opposite sides of opinion on the occupation --though you would never know that from reading the New York Times.
Michael was ardently antiwar, whereas his Bush-supporting son was in favor of the war to the extent that he had already visited Iraq seeking to help with rebuilding efforts.
Just seven days after "Michael Berg" and "Prometheus Methods Tower Service" had come up on that Iraq war 'enemies' list, his son Nick Berg returned to Iraq under the business name of Prometheus Methods Tower Service.
The scene was set for tragically mistaken suspicions --which were to end in the horrifying death of an honorable and blameless American. A humanitarian who had traveled several times to Third World countries --such as Ghana, to teach villagers construction techniques.
The web traffic to the Free Republic forum --and it's forum membership-- include significant numbers of serving and former US military.
Many members take their online activism very seriously. Some delight in causing mischief for those they think are identified as "enemies."
Within minutes of getting their hands on the antiwar names, one was boasting of having contacted the military about active service personnel who were on the list:
"I forwarded the list to the ISC (the command you listed), the district officer... the district legal office and the investigative services office."
The response:
"The poor moron is not going to know what hit him. Is this being mean-spirited? NO! Someone against our military does not belong in the military!"
Another was already investigating a member of the Coast Guard on the list:
"I took a look at his yahoo and he has a site which is not real fond of the war on drugs OR the war on terrorism.... That particular coastie needs some serious trouble to come his way...."
" I spoke on the phone to a senior chief yesterday in Virginia.... [who] could not believe what the guy was doing. He was both astounded and angry. I think [he] is in for some big, big trouble."
If that list could end up on an Internet forum, then it could just as readily end up with the FBI, and eventually in the hands of those in Iraq who are keen to track or harass antiwar activists entering the country.
Alternatively, the enthusiasts on Free Republic have the contacts and the clear determination to have ensured the list quickly got to the right places.
At the time the list was posted, Nick Berg had just come back from an Iraq trip lasting from late December to Feb. 1. He had reported no problems whatsoever with Iraqi police during that visit.
Yet, within two weeks of the list being posted, Nick Berg --back in Iraq on his final fatal trip-- was reportedly detained in Mosul at an Iraqi police checkpoint. The official explanation is that authorities thought his identification might have been forged and were checking his authenticity.
But a more likely reason is that by then authorities in Iraq had discovered that a 'Berg' of Prometheus Methods Tower Service was in the country, and issued a detention instruction to Iraqi police because they misidentified Nick Berg as an antiwar activist entering Iraq to work for the 'enemy'.
That could explain why he was held incommunicado for 13 days, without recourse to a lawyer; why US officialdom was singularly unheeding of his mother's pleas; why the FBI visited his family to question them; why it took a US court order secured by the family to pressure his release.
And why he was cruelly murdered soon after that release, like many others around the world who suffer such a fate at the hands of state-condoned death squads --sometimes just hours after their release from official detention.
That's the final sordid twist in this grisly story.
If the world was an uncomplicated place, then this tale would end with the mistaken arrest of Nick Berg.
We could finish by noting that Nick's father is reportedly accusing the US government of contributing to his son's death. Unable to find work in Iraq, Nick Berg's last trip was set to be a short one. He planned to return to the US on the 30th of March.
Michael Berg charges that his son's detention until 5th April, was a violation of civil rights which fatally delayed his exit from Iraq and instead left him dangerously stranded in the middle of the explosion of violence which erupted in early April, 2004.
But there are much graver aspects to all this. Another chilling perspective is best summarized by the wry cynicism of Michael Rivero at WhatReallyHappened.com
In a commentary on the beheading of Nick Berg, Rivero writes:
"How wonderfully lucky for Bush and the NeoCons that such a great piece of pro-war distract-from-the-torture-scandal event happens at this particular moment."
Rivero's world-weary realism strikes a chord with his popular website's visitors, but will undoubtedly shock unseasoned observers. However he is far from alone in questioning the official line. Others have noted the too-white hands and military at-ease stance of the hooded captors in the video.
The killing has certainly eased the international discomfiture of the US.
[url]http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1707[/url]
2004-05-16 07:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Berg's Father and Firm Were On ''Free Republic's'' 'Enemies' List
[International Politics] by Fintan Dunne, Editor BreakForNews.com EXCLUSIVE Research by Kathy McMahon 12th May, 2004 10amET
[SiaNews Note: We often run articles with which we do not agree, for the sake of Public Discussion; in this case, the writer Fintan Dunne has taken a swipe at Michael Rivero, who is a Friend of Liberty and a good personal friend of mine. Free Republic, on the other hand, is a pile of you-know-what, as Mr. Dunne has pegged it.]
Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.
The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation.
On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum.
It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy." ... Just seven days after "Michael Berg" and "Prometheus Methods Tower Service" had come up on that Iraq war 'enemies' list, his son Nick Berg returned to Iraq under the business name of Prometheus Methods Tower Service.
The scene was set for tragically mistaken suspicions
If that list could end up on an Internet forum, then it could just as readily end up with the FBI, and eventually in the hands of those in Iraq who are keen to track or harass antiwar activists entering the country.
Alternatively, the enthusiasts on Free Republic have the contacts and the clear determination to have ensured the list quickly got to the right places.
At the time the list was posted, Nick Berg had just come back from an Iraq trip lasting from late December to Feb. 1. He had reported no problems whatsoever with Iraqi police during that visit.
Yet, within two weeks of the list being posted, Nick Berg --back in Iraq on his final fatal trip-- was reportedly detained in Mosul at an Iraqi police checkpoint. The official explanation is that authorities thought his identification might have been forged and were checking his authenticity.
But a more likely reason is that by then [B]authorities in Iraq (? huh? )[/B] Iraq had discovered that a 'Berg' of Prometheus Methods Tower Service was in the country, and issued a detention instruction to Iraqi police because they misidentified Nick Berg as an antiwar activist entering Iraq to work for the 'enemy'.
That could explain why he was held incommunicado for 13 days, without recourse to a lawyer B [/B] ; why US officialdom was singularly unheeding of his mother's pleas; why the FBI visited his family to question them; why it took a US court order secured by the family to pressure his release.
And why he was cruelly murdered soon after that release,...
That's the final sordid twist in this grisly story. ....(on Rivera's comments)
. Others have noted the too-white hands and military at-ease stance of the hooded captors in the video.
The killing has certainly eased the international discomfiture of the US.
[url]http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1707[/url][/QUOTE]
This is straight Jew line -- decently abstaining (oh, yeah) from Jew- identifying the victim, which might detract from the deception.
Reason: Berg's detention doesn't need a FReep enemies list as an explanation. Is there any proof that thread actually occurred 3.20? as opposed to being back-filled later?
He is grabbed in Mosul on March 24. Right after Israel murdered Sheik Yassin in Gaza, announcing it as state policy collectively supported by the leadership.
With "Israel" stamped on his passport he stood to be offed automatically, no questions asked, like the "contractors" in Fallujah (except they had cameras at the ready, there - gottas get bucks for the bang). Why not?
He would have known that. Poking around in Mosul after the Jewish state of Israel just started shooting enemies at will? Kidding, right?
Wonder who contacted the ubiquitous FBI? Three visits here, three visits there; lots of visits to pipe-bomber Luke Helder's Catholic dad in Wisconsin summer before last; lots of cute curly-locks dramatic rescues of little 14 year old girls abducted in red pajamas, probably getting foched by depraved guys all over Mormon Utah; plus nifty sniper slaughtering going on in Washington DC later, or was that ATF? etc. etc. :yawn: :yawn: They don't have much to do anymore except take personal care of anyone, anywhere, out doing good for their fellowman in the world, spreading peace except among those who dangerously flirt with anti-semitism. They get the sword, because Berg's beheading shows they can't be trusted not to use it first, themselves, so the FBI has got to take preventive, pro-active action to prevent suicide bomb barbarians and butcher block chopping saddamists from hindering the war on terror.
Something is eat up with worms over there at those websites. This "enemies list" by alleged pro-war military criminals, use to "explain" what is self-evident without it, is actually an attempt to implicate, not the FReep's dung site -- there's that "Not 300 taels of silver buried here!" thing again, with reversals -- but others that they call "neo-Nazi." Well, let them get me. I am sure as hell neo- Nazi.
Not anti-semitic, though. Hate Jews. Love towelheads. They seem to be closer to the image of God.
2004-05-16 08:11 | User Profile
More odd stuff:
Could Berg's 'beheading' be fake?, a CIA/Mossad/911-Bush Cabal PR stunt? [url]http://whitebear.forumhoster.com/index.php?showtopic=6631[/url]
2004-05-16 21:01 | User Profile
The clerk at Berg's hotel said this: "I don't think he realized how much it is dangerous to walk around the streets in Iraq and to look like an American soldier having a day off," said a clerk at the Al-Fanar Hotel in central Baghdad, where he stayed. The clerk pointed at a picture, widely published in recent days, of Berg in a muscle-revealing, sleeveless T-shirt. "That is how he dressed all the time. So people noticed him and knew he was probably American."
Now, did the person in the pic look like a US soldier, with that scruffy hair and a beard? That guy was clean fitness buff, a bit of a narcissist. The hair and beard don't match what the clerk is saying, or the hygiene habits of the weight lifter crowd. Plus, short or no hair is a lot easier to keep clean and neat on the go. Extra hair does obscure ID. Another point, how many videos have we ever seen from the Muslims of this poor quality?
Actually all of this is pretty clever. Make a tape with so many flaws and peculiarities that no explanation makes sense. It all attributed to the crazy situation in Iraq, where "anything's possible", a lot of strange speculation, and the only witness to it all is dead. The perfect crime.
2004-05-17 02:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]I contrast this with Pat Tillman's noble sacrifice.[/QUOTE]
Huh? "Pat Tillman's noble sacrifice"?
You cannot be serious, Sertorius. Fighting ZOG's wars on behalf of Jewish/Israeli interests in ZOG' army is "noble"? Surely you must jest! :jester:
He bought the jew's propaganda. Now he's dead. Our real enemy isn't Iraq or Afghanistan, it's Israel and her fifth columnists in America....by M.H.
[QUOTE]Pat Tillman WAS an Idiot
by M.H.
4 May 2004
Pat Tillman's premature dirt nap became official yesterday.
Last week's controversy over his death was one of those stories that was far bigger on the Internet than in the mainstream media. Although I watch NBC, FOX, and CNN, I didn't see coverage on any of those three channels of the story about the furor surrounding University of Massachussets graduate student Rene Gonzalez calling Tillman an idiot in a column he (Gonzalez) wrote for U. Mass's paper The Daily Collegian. The column was published on Wednesday April 28.
(The original address was here and it appears that the article was at least temporarily pulled due to the heavy volume of threats aimed at Gonzalez. [It's now restored.] Free Republic pulled the column several times because they "didn't want to bring attention to it." It doesn't take someone much smarter than the average Freeper [which is pretty damn dumb] to recognize that the real reason was that Gonzalez's column was every bit as persuasive as the photos of the flag-draped caskets posted at TheMemoryHole.org, and head Freeper Jim Nob Dickhead wanted no part of that. No sireee.)
There was not a peep from Fox News' Bilious O'Reilly on April 29 and 30 and (unless it went by me) I saw no coverage on NBC Nightly News for the same respective nights. I only came to discover the whole Rene Gonzalez brouhaha from a Thursday story on ESPN.com that was linked on MSN's start page.
This dearth of mainstream coverage isn't surprising, since jewish news producers would be loath to air such unpalatable views expressed by a Puerto Rican graduate student getting a U.S. college education subsidized by the White man's dime. A minority promoting views so potentially subversive of jewish interests has to be spiked. Interesting about all the Internet stories was the blind acceptance of Gonzalez's translation of his reference to Tillman as a pendejo.
In his column Gonzalez disingenuously translated this term as meaning "idiot." I've learned a little Spanish, but in any new language you always learn the obscenities first because they're the most interesting words. Pendejo--I was told--translates as "asshole" and Systransoft (going from Spanish to English) confirms this. Anyway, it's interesting how not only was the TV coverage (which would have reached millions of people) apparently little to non-existent, but mainstream Internet coverage was strangely uncritical, especially these days when White Nationalists are referred to as "haters" in every paragraph in stories about them.
None of this is to defend a piece of dog shit like Gonzalez, a doctoral student in political science at U. Mass. who is a Puerto Freakin' shitskin let into our country by the jews. After that perfunctory racial dismissal, actually having read his column (as opposed to trusting the Freeper/jew spin on it) I have to say the man is right on the mark. In fact, it's damn hard to argue with anything he's written.
First Gonzalez points out how stupid it was for Tillman to give up a $3.6 million NFL contract to die in Afghanistan when a minority--a "Ramon or Tyrone" as Gonzalez calls him--would have joined the U.S. armed services only for selfish purposes: income/education benefits. Tillman went on a mission to act out some fanciful patriotic wet dream which actually had no other underlying intent but to serve jewish interests. Gonzalez then refers to how jewish Hollywood, through the conduit of films such as Rambo, brainwash American culture (read: White America) into embracing macho busybody World Policeman patriotism that sticks its nose into asscracks of the world where it doesn't (and from a racially self-interested perspective, shouldn't want to) belong.
Four more great points.
It wasn't like [Tillman] was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it.
After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs.
Tillman shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.
Of course "jewish propaganda machine" is that to which he's really referring. To top all that off, it seems like Mr. Gonzalez has bested most whites in realizing the true source of our problems:
Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance.
In this paragraph, the close proximity of the two thoughts about "underlying conditions" and Israeli repression of Palestinians suggests that even Third World educated lefties get what 99% of Whites don't: Israel is our albatross and to rid ourselves of terrorism we must cut it loose.
How embarrassing it is to see people like Rene Gonzalez and Ernesto Cienfuegos of La Voz de Aztlan intellectually "get it" when it comes to the jews while Whites don't even come close. All Whites do is drool and wave their flags. Add in the Arabs and blacks (who show one of the highest degrees of anti-semitism of any minority) and I'm beginning to wonder about this supposed edge in IQ Whites are supposed to hold. In fact, I don't want to hear about it anymore, because it sure hasn't meant shit in terms of advancing our cause. Hear that, you BellCurvite assholes?
Congrats on your article, Rene. Unlike 99% of Whites, not only do you have the brains to see the world as it really is but you've got the balls to tell it like it is. You are certainly right to champion minorities who advance their selfish interests at the White man's expense. If I were you not only would I do the same, I'd show the same level of contempt toward the jewed White man that you show. He isn't worthy of anything but contempt...and death on a distant battefield. By the way, Rene, Tillman left his new White wife, Marie, behind. Given what White women are like these days, I'm sure she'll be quite eager to marry you, or better yet, one of your black buddies. Buena suerte!
M.H.[/QUOTE]
2004-05-17 04:33 | User Profile
Friedrich,
I am as serious as a heart attack and I don't give a damn what those other people think. Yes, I do admire someone who turns down $3.6 million to serve this country. It is refreshing to see this in post modern America where materialism is worshipped as something noble and honorable. Instead, I have total contempt for people that would belittle Tillman as people that wouldn't have the guts to fight for anything. I don't think being killed in Afghanistan is dying for Israel. I recall that it was al-Qaida that did this attack in the first place and I want them killed. I'll admit that the Jews and plutocrats have hijacked this war for the worst reasons, but at the end I have to note that the U.S. troops fighting over there are at this point not fighting so much for ZOG as they are their buddies. If anything good comes out of this mess it will be a general awakening to the scoundrels who have led us to this debacle. Whether one admires a cause or not one can admire the soldier.
2004-05-17 04:44 | User Profile
I don't think being killed in Afghanistan is dying for Israel.
Let's face facts: America's pro-Israel foreign policy caused the Arab world to hate America.
In other words, there would have been NO Afghanistan war in the first place if America's Middle East policy had been changed long ago.
In short, Tillman being killed in Afghanistan was 'dying for Israel by default.'
2004-05-17 04:59 | User Profile
Franco,
I'll concede that a foreign policy that puts Israel first is largely responsible for the mess. However, after 9/11 I wanted those people killed for what they did. I don't care how valid a complaint they have. That was going too far. Once they did that a response was called for and I'm glad we did it. Instead of taking action like the WTC and the Pentagon, al-Qaida would have been better served if they had targetted the people responsible for this-- people like Kristol, Perle, Netanyahu, and the rest of cabal. They would achieve far better results.
2004-05-17 05:09 | User Profile
There's been way too many white patriots in the 20th century. Who died for their country, of course. And what we have today is the result.
Enough dying.
2004-05-17 05:53 | User Profile
I've tried not to Tillman-bash because I knew the temptation to do so would become overwhelming as the neos began to use him as an advertising mascot (and you can bet that, given how the Jessica Lynch saga played out, ZOG now prefers their American Heroes KIA).
But there's one continual aspect of this story that frankly is beginning to nauseate me: the repetition of "[I]he walked away from millions of dollars[/I]". Because the rest of that sentence - always left unsaid - is "[I]not like these [I]other [/I] community-college-attending $5.50-an-hour asswipes who came home from the desert in body bags[/I]." (No, Sert, I'm not nailing you....I've heard millions of people repeat it.) What they're actually saying is - "this guy turned down Big Money and Fame - the gods we worship every day. HE was a HERO. The rest of them are just casualties"
The idea that even when it comes to dead kids and grieving parents, our damnable Cult of Celebrity enforces a pecking-order of worthiness disgusts me beyond my ability to put into words. Pro ballplayers are freaks in that they become rich and famous at a ridiculously young age due to their exploitable athletic skills. Pat Tillman was unquestionably brave and selfless to have put that on hold - he showed a maturity most of his teammates probably don't possess. But who is to say what the dead 23-year-old soldiers who [I]weren't [/I] strongside safeties or point guards would have accomplished had their lives not been lost? The story of a life is only [I]beginning [/I] at that age, it's not finished, judged and ready for mass-consumption.
And if you truly believe this war is unnecessary and Phase One of a Pax Judaica you neither voted for nor desire, you have to feel a sense of loss and violation at the Arabs being killed as well. It's a disgrace that no media outlet will at least keep a side-by-side running total of Their Dead and Our Dead, but to acknowledge the deaths of Iraqis is to confer humanity on them, I suppose, which would be a critical first building-block towards Joe and Jane Satellitedish garnering an underrstanding of cui bono here. Once this is all over, the name of the game will be 'forget any of this even happened', as usual (have you ever read an American op-ed that counted up the Iraqi dead of Gulf War 1?) That might even be worse than being the Disposable American Heroes whose coffins flew home alongside Pat Tillman's -to have been part of 'the enemy' who never threatened us and couldn't hurt us, to've been someone who never lived and never died - thanks to the 24/7/365 Jewish News Blackout that prevents all depictions of the enemies of Israel as anything other than hateful vermin fit only to be wiped out.
2004-05-17 09:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]But there's one continual aspect of this story that frankly is beginning to nauseate me: the repetition of "[I]he walked away from millions of dollars[/I]". Because the rest of that sentence - always left unsaid - is "[I]not like these [I]other [/I] community-college-attending $5.50-an-hour asswipes who came home from the desert in body bags[/I]." (No, Sert, I'm not nailing you....I've heard millions of people repeat it.) What they're actually saying is - "this guy turned down Big Money and Fame - the gods we worship every day. HE was a HERO. The rest of them are just casualties"
The idea that even when it comes to dead kids and grieving parents, our damnable Cult of Celebrity enforces a pecking-order of worthiness disgusts me beyond my ability to put into words. Pro ballplayers are freaks in that they become rich and famous at a ridiculously young age due to their exploitable athletic skills . . . [/QUOTE]
Very well put, Ragman.
This should be posted far and wide.
Walter