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White Iceland [OP]

2004-05-02 22:54 | User Profile

Yes, it ([url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=9221] A Brief Introduction to the Nordic Imperium School[/url]) is a good article... too bad it is fiction. Most of the names and books mentioned in the article do not exist. JÃÂ³n Ãâgmundarsson was an 11th century bishop here in Iceland... Triskelion aka Vibeke Ostergaard, the author, is also a fictional character. Vibeke is a FEMALE ONLY Danish name. :) You will have to ask the person behind "him" why the deception...

Texas Dissident

2004-05-03 17:41 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]Yes, it is a good article... too bad it is fiction. Most of the names and books mentioned in the article do not exist. JÃÂ³n Ãâgmundarsson was an 11th century bishop here in Iceland... Triskelion aka Vibeke Ostergaard, the author, is also a fictional character. Vibeke is a FEMALE ONLY Danish name. :) You will have to ask the person behind "him" why the deception...[/QUOTE]

Fascinating and intriguing, White Iceland. Is any additional information forthcoming or will you leave us with this teaser only?

White Iceland

2004-05-03 19:52 | User Profile

[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=129649[/url]

Ms. O is concurrently being dealt with on SF, my "home" board... in the Scandinavian forum... curiously, since a friend here tipped the suspect off, V.O. hasn't come forward to defend him/herself but has "coincidentally" been suggested/promoted/vouched for in various places by any of a league of questionable V.O.-friendly identities. The many false claims of this false personality have touched a nerve with a number of Icelanders recently, who consider themselves cousins, if not big brothers, of the FÃÂ¦roese folk... a tiny, obscure population that would make for an easily hoaxed personality among people from most parts of the world... but not in their own North Atlantic neighborhood! Ms. O had the nerve to invite some of our people to visit him/her and see some of his/her bogus projects... of course, we started checking into this thing a little bit before hauling our longship out of the boatshed :) It is rather sad... one of my friends was quite heart-broken after Ms. O built up hopes in him that had to be dashed soon after...

I decided, after this broke on SF recently, that it was well to do a simultaneous exposÃÂ© in other places frequented by Vibeke Androgyny Ostergaard... just to see if his/her "defense" personalities have their feelers out...

...one exception... I won't bother to take V.O. on at VNN Forums, is this would seem to be their homebase, a loosely moderated (if at all) gossip pit.

Okiereddust

2004-05-03 20:01 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]Triskelion aka Vibeke Ostergaard, the author, is also a fictional character. Vibeke is a FEMALE ONLY Danish name. :) You will have to ask the person behind "him" why the deception...[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what information you really have, but really, although Trisk doesn't waste his time with us here anymore for reasons known only to him, he seems pretty bona fide to me, as bona fide really as any of the people posting under their real names on this forum. Do you have anything to go on besides his name?

If its just his name, we've gone over that before. His son explained that to us when he was keeping the WN/sympathizer world informed at the time of his terrible attack in Italy. Which seems pretty well documented, considering the shadowy/semi-underground state of WN in Europe these days, seems quite well established. Bill White reported it on LS news.

Anyway, back to the name. As his son explained, yes in Denmark proper Vitebe is a female-only name, but in the islands it can be used for both sexes.

So like Texas Dissident says, if you have any substantative to add, lets hear it. The internet is awash in rumour and innuendo - by itself it does little good.

Paleoleftist

2004-05-03 21:00 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I'm not sure what information you really have, but really, although Trisk doesn't waste his time with us here anymore for reasons known only to him, he seems pretty bona fide to me, as bona fide really as any of the people posting under their real names on this forum.[/QUOTE]

I agree; Trisk/VO sounded very real to me. Otoh, this is the internet, and weird things happen. If he made up the whole 'Nordic Imperium School', this would be going to great lengths to create a hoax. :lol:

Texas Dissident

2004-05-03 21:03 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]See also:

Bjarni Tyrdal, Tsun, IrishJay, John-in-Basel ... ad nauseum.

Read any related material with a keen eye and it will show itself to be more full of holes than a bad crime novel...[/QUOTE]

Are you suggesting that VO, Bjarni, Tsun and IrishJay are one and the same individual? VO and Bjarni, sure, I've thought that all along. But IrishJay is an administrator at Stormfront, right?

White Iceland

2004-05-03 21:14 | User Profile

He doesn't exist. The books he claims to have published do not exist... the folk school he claims to operate does not exist... his sister, who he claims is in public office in the islands, does not exist... Bjarni Tyrdal or his publishing house do not exist... his beating in Milan does not exist... His children who answer for him after non-existent beatings do not exist... reasonable excuses by his non-existent circle for discrepancies which point to his non-existence don't exist. Photographs of him don't exist... legitimate news agency accounts in any language which so much as mention his name don't exist... From here in Iceland it took TWO phone calls to really seal up all this non-existence that probably took months to weave... one to the most noted antiquarian book dealer here (who does exist, proof of existence on request) who checked his sources and the National Library and came back with NOTHING on any of the names associated with Ms. O's non-existent publications. A second to an uncle of mine who lived and studied in FÃÂ¦roe Islands for 20 years, worked with the postal service and knows every family in Runavik (V.O.'s base of non-existence)... he is also a writer and Icelandic to FÃÂ¦roese vice-versa translator... He confirms Vibeke (not Vitebe, where'd you get that?) is NEVER used by a man... It would be worse than a boy named Sue... more like a boy named Rebecca or Elizabeth. Icelandic law prohibits "untraditonal" naming, so such guidelines ARE law... only possibility? A sex change might give such end result naming (?). AND he has never heard of these people or publications... furthermore, a title of 600 copies (V.O.'s claimed press run on his book in F.I.) would be known to any publisher, writer in the country even if they never sold a copy... Just having 600 books printed in that language is a BIG DEAL!

These incidents of non-existence are easily verifiable with a random email to any FÃÂ¦roer... use a search engine, pick an email ending in .fo (tourist info and fisheries are best for English-language response) and ask them if I know what I'm talking about... NO SUCH VIBEKE, Nationalist Superhero.

Shut up now and roll up another D&D character... this one was just slain by a 32nd-level chaotic-good warrior-mage. Get over it...

Paleoleftist

2004-05-03 21:23 | User Profile

...and decided to do a little research on the meaning of "Triskelion":

"The American HeritageÃÂ® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

triskelion

SYLLABICATION: triÃÂ·skelÃÂ·iÃÂ·on PRONUNCIATION: tr-skl-n, tr- VARIANT FORMS: also triÃÂ·skele (trskl, trskl) NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. triÃÂ·skelÃÂ·iÃÂ·a (-skl-) also triÃÂ·skeles A figure consisting of three curved lines or branches, or three stylized human arms or legs, radiating from a common center.
ETYMOLOGY: New Latin, from Greek triskels, three-legged : tri-, tri- + skelos, leg. "

Sounds like a strawman to me. I also found this picture from a Collectible Card Game:

[IMG]http://www.wizards.com/magic/autocard.asp?name=Triskelion# [/IMG]

Texas Dissident

2004-05-03 21:53 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]He doesn't exist...NO SUCH VIBEKE, Nationalist Superhero...Shut up now and roll up another D&D character... this one was just slain by a 32nd-level chaotic-good warrior-mage. Get over it...[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid it's not that easy. That "person" caused this board a number of problems. A year or two ago I corresponded with someone stating that VO's resume complete with the assault, etc. was just too perfect of a lead-in for an agent-provacateur trying to infiltrate the various nationalist organizations/groups. After time I put that initial impression aside to give him the benefit of the doubt and even gave him the European Nationalism forum to moderate.

I'm going to look into this and see what the real story is, if anyone knows for sure. I appreciate the heads-up, even if you can't provide the real story of who may or may not be behind it.

Okiereddust

2004-05-03 23:23 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I'm afraid it's not that easy. That "person" caused this board a number of problems. A year or two ago I corresponded with someone stating that VO's resume complete with the assault, etc. was just too perfect of a lead-in for an agent-provacateur trying to infiltrate the various nationalist organizations/groups. After time I put that initial impression aside to give him the benefit of the doubt and even gave him the European Nationalism forum to moderate.

I'm going to look into this and see what the real story is, if anyone knows for sure. I appreciate the heads-up, even if you can't provide the real story of who may or may not be behind it.[/QUOTE]

It is interesting, trying to correlate the existance of internet pseudymes with their real life existance. We have had a fair string of testimonials regarding the life of Trisk, from his son, several scandanavian aquaintances on this board, and a picture from Bjarni of the two together. And of course his original existance on Polinco, which he seems to have moderated at the end. The Polinco people were the people who really seemed to know him. If someone thinks enough of this board to weave such a legend together, I am flattered.

I am not sure exactly how to interpret the putative real life existance of Vibeke Oostergaard. There were a lot of things that just sounded a little pat to me. I'll condition that by saying Vibeke sounded like a very cautious and internet saavy person to me - so much so that the nature of the information he gave about some of his personal life seemed odd. I wouldn't put it past him, or others - such as his friends - to give out some deliberately misleading information. or at least imbelish some of it. From talking with him, he definitely doesn't want to make it too easy for him to really be found, and given his position, I can't blame him, even if in doubt of whether his beating really took place. There's plently else to be afraid of for anyone these days.

Being driven underground, and not being able to afford the luxury of someplace life Free Republic which is abe to coordinate conferences where we all sit down with our real McCoy friends, such ambiguity and lack of knowledge is something we're going to have to live with. There certainly seemed to be a real personality behind the Triskelion character. And if he told us some things, both privately and publically, that are hard to verify, he told us somethings that did pan out. What was really behind it, a real Vibeke Oostergaard or something else, we'll always be in doubt a little bit I'm sure, especially relating to his sudden disappearance. Also as to his cohorts.

Now it would be easy enough for them just to put their phone number and home address on their signature, and have us write them, but in this day and age that's not going to happen. What is of greater import is their message, what they said here and if its true or not. That I think is of more importance here anyway.

White Iceland

2004-05-04 00:36 | User Profile

[url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whitesalvation/[/url]

Posted as recently as two days ago... unfortunately, this is a private forum owned and moderated by more shady characters and your membership request must be approved... but if you get in, look through the message archive and you can see V.O. pitching more unoriginal "truth" mixed with heavy unreality... he has also claimed that his yahoo email address triskelion14 went down recently, but it is in use there ??? so you can try the backup [email]vopersonal@xemaps.com[/email], the same service Bjarni Tyrdal hides behind.

I would like to force a response here from his by-line instead of more shabby excuses from his defense league. At SF I condemn this sort of hobbyist character hoaxing of our own supposed folk because it breeds paranoia...

The only reason to make such a stretch to defend his creator is that you were genuinely duped by him and would explain why you aren't sore about it, or you are that very same "Charles Schulz" under another name :)

We here don't want explanations... we just want an apology and the phantom's dematerialization.

'Fess up already.

Greetings from Iceland (really!)

Okiereddust

2004-05-04 02:28 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland][url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whitesalvation/[/url]

Interesting. I'll have to check on it, and see wat our old friend Vibeke is up to. Although not right away.

I would like to force a response here from his by-line instead of more shabby excuses from his defense league. At SF I condemn this sort of hobbyist character hoaxing of our own supposed folk because it breeds paranoia...

We here don't want explanations... we just want an apology and the phantom's dematerialization. [/QUOTE]Well, I give people the benefit of the doubt. I'd heard so much about Trisk/V.O. I tend to assume it. But you can certainly never be sure on the internet. And yes, I'll admit I could easily be duped, perhaps more easy than others.

Let's face it, the internet is designed for a certain amount of deception anyway, especially about our real identity. If people don't want to tell me who they are, or even to throw in a little disinformation to keep certain people off their tail, its no biggee, if its not something I really need to know anyway. "Need to know" is the operative concept in I think in on-line security. If someone tells me they have brown eyes when they have green eyes, its no biggee.

What's more significant is deception that serves a real purpose. And getting back to it, I can see real reasons for Trisk's wanting to exercise some deception along these lines. If you follow his last threads, he was making real broad demands on the direction that the movement would take, and justifying them in part by his own asserted personal success. Like all politicians or would be pol's, he would have reason to, how shall we say exagerate a little? (And true to form, his leaving this forum did coincide with me starting to press him in a general sense on his broad record and ideas.

Personally I had a difficult time believing that a person with his claimed public profile would really be active on forums like this, Polinco, and SF. I always personally felt activity on these boards is incompatible with public life except in the most unobstrusive of places. A highly successful businessman and prominent local politician posting on these boards? I couldn't really understand it.

I admire you looking up this info on him though. I've done some research of my own, but found working in a foreign country with a foreign language very difficult as opposed to the US. So for want of an alternative I'd just had to accept their word. Its something that gives foreigners a certain power, which certainly could easily be abused. I appreciate looking into this, even if I'd like to wait just a bit till the final jury is in.

il ragno

2004-05-04 02:35 | User Profile

This is nonsense.

There assuredly IS a Vikebe Ostergard, and he was not in the habit of posting here to bait others. Indeed, his contributions were a bit too dryly professorial to garner him much of a following...and were anything [I]but [/I] confrontational.

To take the word of a one-day wonder like "White Iceland" that the fellow who has been posting screeds on neo-guildism since the bygone Sam Francis days doesn't exist/has multiple identities/is secretly a woman is ridiculous.

But to buy into it - because you never much cared for him or what he wrote - displays a dangerous naivete. "Agent provocateur"? In that case he should have been PM'ing members all along, networking, gaining members' trust, collecting email addresses, etc. Trisk did none of this - he simply wanted to post his (admittedly essay-length) comments. For God's sake, the guy's master plan was for whites to design and build their own [I]cars[/I]. (I guess that's how every neo-Nazi terrorist recruiter starts out, though.)

I also believe without qualification that the man was savagely attacked in Italy last year, and I find White Iceland's "revelations" highly suspect and tasteless.

Seriously - if someone named "Ignatz Ratzkywatzky" showed up one day out of the blue, insisting that no such person as Anti-Yuppie or Sertorius existed but instead was a cleverly placed Mossad plant, would I then be reading things like "You know, I always thought that Anti-Yuppie was too level-headed to be true" or "That updated Patton quote never fooled me for a minute"?

I'll tell you what - if it turns out "Triskelion" was just a computer simulation or an Icelandic FBI sting operation, it might've netted better results if "he" had simply shut his mouth and asked questions of the rest of us: who are you, where do you live, what groups do you belonng to, etc. As it is, The Great Neo-Guild Caper of 2003 netted his handlers zero perps - but many yawns.

Okiereddust

2004-05-04 03:11 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]This is nonsense.

I also believe without qualification that the man was savagely attacked in Italy last year, and I find White Iceland's "revelations" highly suspect and tasteless. [/QUOTE] I have no doubt that a Triskelion exists, and still tend to think he could to a good extent be who he says he is, like Vikebe Oostergaard . But there is a nagging doubt, since the only thing I've ever read about him is in WN circles.

All you have to do to appease me is just post some link referring to his existance and work from non-WN circles. For instance, he's a city councilman? There ought to be a web page, especially from internet saavy Scandanavian countries. Or the books he's published. You'd think some bookstore or library would have this book on file.

I don't presume lack of such info means he doesn't exist, but I'd be more certain if I actualy saw such info.

il ragno

2004-05-04 03:58 | User Profile

I would - but I'm still waiting for third-party verification that [B]you're [/B] for real, Okie.

Okiereddust

2004-05-04 04:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]I would - but I'm still waiting for third-party verification that [B]you're [/B] for real, Okie.

Then again, am I me? How can I be sure, since "il ragno" seems to only "exist" on far-right message boards? Maybe somebody with a 3-post history named "White Rome And/Or Athens" will show up here responding to a year-old post of mine, and he'll give you his solemn word that no such person as me actually exists. And won't [I]that [/I] suck - especially since I made plans for this weekend.[/QUOTE] No doubt I have much more confidence and feel for, as a person, Triskelion from his narrated experiences and knowledge as Vikebe Oostergaard. For an internet personna, he is much more real than most of us. But to accept Vikebe as a real life, real person, the same as my local councilman I can walk into and say hi to, on purely face value, is a little lacking so far.

You don't claim authority on this board based on your documented, verifiable real life experiences. V.O. does.

As for you, it is true you could theoritically be a manufactured product, and image created by some poseur. But I ask myself - if someone wanted to create such an image, why would he create one like yourself? :lol:

madrussian

2004-05-04 04:26 | User Profile

OD is getting entertaining again. Go Spider! :thumbsup:

Ruffin

2004-05-04 04:39 | User Profile

A hilarious welcome back, il ragno (unless you're just okie pretending to be you so you can have a conversation with someone very unlike you - I have it on good authority.)!

il ragno

2004-05-04 05:27 | User Profile

I'm not so sure that I'm 'back' exactly. I just felt a spasmodic urge to post here the past 48 hours. But thanks, fellas.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-04 07:19 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]I would - but I'm still waiting for third-party verification that [B]you're [/B] for real, Okie.[/QUOTE]

I can verify that both of you are real. End of story.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-04 07:49 | User Profile

I wonder why when you reply to one of my posts, no matter the topic, I feel like I'm being cross-examined by a jewish lawyer. "C'mon, admit to us what you really meant by using the past pluperfect tense in that statement."

[QUOTE=il ragno]This is nonsense. There assuredly IS a Vikebe Ostergard, and he was not in the habit of posting here to bait others. Indeed, his contributions were a bit too dryly professorial to garner him much of a following...and were anything [I]but [/I] confrontational.

Has anyone claimed they were confrontational? Nevertheless, perhaps you were away when he posted his opus.

To take the word of a one-day wonder like "White Iceland" that the fellow who has been posting screeds on neo-guildism since the bygone Sam Francis days doesn't exist/has multiple identities/is secretly a woman is ridiculous.

Who is taking White Iceland's word? Did I not state plainly that it was something I questioned and would make the effort to get at the bottom of it?

But to buy into it - because you never much cared for him or what he wrote - displays a dangerous naivete. "Agent provocateur"? In that case he should have been PM'ing members all along, networking, gaining members' trust, collecting email addresses, etc. Trisk did none of this - he simply wanted to post his (admittedly essay-length) comments. For God's sake, the guy's master plan was for whites to design and build their own [I]cars[/I]. (I guess that's how every neo-Nazi terrorist recruiter starts out, though.)

First of all, I don't see how you would know what he may or may not have done 'behind the scenes' here. Second, did I label him an agent provacateur or did I say that in a private conversation a year or two back his resume would be the perfect cover for an AP? I don't know, maybe you're assuming some secret intentions on my part in relating that story, but there isn't one. I'm just as taken aback as anyone by the information in this thread. Please don't forget that I made trisk a moderator of the European Nationalism forum. That fact alone I believe shows that I did not or do not have any malicious intentions toward the guy, but rather tried to make good faith effort to see where we might be able to work together for a common cause.

I also believe without qualification that the man was savagely attacked in Italy last year, and I find White Iceland's "revelations" highly suspect and tasteless.

Well I myself and some other had personal correspondence with him and his son after that attack and at the time we all expressed our sympathy and regards for him and his family. I find WI's revelations suspect, too, and that is why they merit looking into. As for tasteless, I will say that I do not recall reading any story of said attack from any halfway credible news source, but perhaps my memory fails me.

In summary, my main concern is not that trisk was an AP out to entrap anyone, but rather simply a matter of trust and credibility, especially in regards to his scathing attacks on paleo-cons and American conservatives in general and the disruption that caused here on this board. I think the charges posted here by White Iceland deserve to be looked into and that is what I intend to do. I'll write nothing more on the subject until and if I have any solid information to substantiate any definitive conclusions.

Smedley Butler

2004-05-04 08:18 | User Profile

Running any sane forum I see means being on yours toes, and the use of time and alertness to B.S. of course.. I wrote earlier that the Ice land poster was at the NNN reporters forum, I am mistaken, I could not find any posts, when I went back to check.

il ragno

2004-05-04 08:57 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Has anyone claimed they were confrontational? [/QUOTE]

Your quote:

"Are you suggesting that VO, Bjarni, Tsun and IrishJay are one and the same individual? [B]VO and Bjarni, sure, I've thought that all along[/B]."

Bjarni was UBERconfrontational, if you'll recall. If you always thought Trisk and Bjarni were the same person, then I don't see how you could not view Trisk as combative and belligerent - ie, 'confrontational'.

"Second, did I label him an agent provacateur or did I say that in a private conversation a year or two back his resume would be the perfect cover for an AP?"

But an AP should do AP-like things: stir up trouble, sow dissension, etc. (By the time you got to the end of a Trisk post, you were generally [I]asleep[/I], not angry.) An AP should - overtly or covertly - be running a confidence game of some sort, wheedling out personal info from members under the pretext of friendship. Trisk just wanted a podium, an audience and a glass of water.

"In summary, my main concern is not that trisk was an AP out to entrap anyone, but rather simply a matter of trust and credibility, especially in regards to his scathing attacks on paleo-cons and American conservatives in general and the disruption that caused here on this board."

If you'll recall, when he first arrived here, Trisk took the "Pat Buchanan has done some good things but is by and large ineffectual" approach - a position echoed by many, many members of this forum. It was only later on -when he began getting into it with Okie - that his rhetoric grew harsher. And you know Okie has that effect on people and in fact [I]relishes [/I] having that effect on others. Better to wonder if [I]Okie [/I] is an instigator- he's certainly in the middle of enough dust-ups here.

"I wonder why when you reply to one of my posts, no matter the topic, I feel like I'm being cross-examined by a jewish lawyer."

[I]Who [/I] is responding to your post? I thought I was responding to White Iceland's. But I know what you mean. For instance, I'm getting the distinct feeling you'd just as soon see me cut this visit short and leave OD once and for all. Of course, I could be all wet here....but I'm still getting that feeling, y'know?

Texas Dissident

2004-05-04 13:11 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]For instance, I'm getting the distinct feeling you'd just as soon see me cut this visit short and leave OD once and for all. Of course, I could be all wet here....but I'm still getting that feeling, y'know?[/QUOTE]

You are all wet, IR. Like I said a little while back, I can't think of any significant or overt action I've taken on this board that's been in reaction to anything you've ever done.

Now what do I need to do to assauge those uneasy feelings?

Texas Dissident

2004-05-04 17:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]"White Iceland" would have us believe that there is no Vibeke Ostergaard and that the being behind the screen name is an agent provocateur, an FBI mole, an ADL disruptor, or something of the like.

Now, if we are to doubt that Vibeke Ostergard exists, why should we have any more faith in the authenticity of "White Iceland?" If anyone comes across as a disruptor and agent provocateur here, it is "White Iceland," not VO nor even VO's more vociferous advocates.[/QUOTE]

The key difference is this, AY: it matters because every point, appeal and argument of trisk and Bjarni was ultimately buttressed by the supposed real-life personage of V.O. and all the wonderful campaign victories and successful work he was realizing 'back in the homeland'. Really, that sums up his entire contribution here - "paleo-conservatism sucks because it doesn't work successfully like our 'folkish' nationalist programs back home and scattered spots elsewhere throughout remote Europe".

It's actually becoming humorous now.

:lol:

madrussian

2004-05-04 19:25 | User Profile

A vindication for paleocons is around the corner :whstl:

Okiereddust

2004-05-04 23:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]The key difference is this, AY: it matters because every point, appeal and argument of trisk and Bjarni was ultimately buttressed by the supposed real-life personage of V.O. and all the wonderful campaign victories and successful work he was realizing 'back in the homeland'. Really, that sums up his entire contribution here - "paleo-conservatism sucks because it doesn't work successfully like our 'folkish' nationalist programs back home and scattered spots elsewhere throughout remote Europe".

It's actually becoming humorous now.

:lol:[/QUOTE]Thanks for succinctly hitting the nail on the head. I think its worthy of note that he ran off precisely when I started to ask some hard questions as to the nature of his electoral success and other public enterrises back home. He clearly did not seek an in-depth discussion like a real life poitical consultant would.

Let me give my speculative opinion, for what its worth. I doubt seriously Trisk was an A.P. although without knowing him personally very well I can't rule anything out.

Something about "Vikebe" however gave me the strong impression that it is not the end of the line - that it in itself might have been a pseudonyme. The reason is there were some things he seemed almost paranoid about, and other things cavaliarly open. He was utterly paranoid about revealing his beating back home, since it had been linked widely with the WN movement. With other things though, like his asserted publishing, business, and political success, he was disarmingly casual when talking about them.Take his reputed car manufacturing business for example.

It leads me to believe "Vikebe" might just be another pseudonyme, set up by his WN friends to protect him.

Until we have identified any of his exploits from regular reliable news media or other sources, I think that one must allow this as a very likely possibility. As much as "Vikebe" has allegedly done, I think it would be hard to hide this from the probing eyes of the mainstream media, especially the hatewatch groups. Groups that could of course resolve questions about V.O.'s alleged identity immediately.

Not that I wish to get involved with them. For that reason, I think we'll have to let V.O. remain in the shadows, where it appears he is happy to sit, throwing out his little epigrams on the internet, to anyone properly awestruck and deferential.

OlafLynckner

2004-05-04 23:14 | User Profile

I have had no time for message boards until recently so I stopped by to see what was happening here and what do find but endless flames against a long time comrade. No support for a single comment whatsoever was given by someone hiding behind a screen name who lacking any real life attacks those that do on message boards. In case anyone is interested I have provided a photo of V.O. and BT. Also, here are a couple of links to articles about him.

[url="http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/91418.php"][u][color=#0000ff]http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/91418.php[/u][/color][/url]

[url="http://www.patriot.nu/notis.asp?notisID=815"][u][color=#0000ff]http://www.patriot.nu/notis.asp?notisID=815[/u][/color][/url]

As I have a life outside of message boards I can't see any reason to continue to carry on over some nameless troll.

Pray tell, "White Iceland," why would a mole or agent provocateur have such a bizarre modus operandi? Most internet AP's post over the top material with calls for assassination, advocacy of terrorism, and, as il ragno notes, do what they can to collect the real names, addresses, etc. of board members. VO did none of this - he reposted obscure articles by Spanish Falangists and Italian guildists. Sure, that really had the rabble riled up, and it sure helped gather information about the rest of us.

Please take your petty personal quarrels somewhere else, "White Iceland." Personally, I'm not so paranoid as to think you're an AP, a mole, or even a true disruptor. You're just somebody with a personal grudge and a chip on your shoulder against VO and you're using this forum to vent your spleen. May I suggest you buy a punching bag instead?[/QUOTE]

madrussian

2004-05-04 23:21 | User Profile

OK, but whether Okie is real hasn't been settled yet.

Valley Forge

2004-05-04 23:29 | User Profile

Wow.

What a bombshell.

A lot of us have been following Triskelion's posts for years -- since the SFOF days.

It just goes to show you never know who you're really dealing with on the Internet.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-04 23:53 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]OK, but whether Okie is real hasn't been settled yet.[/QUOTE]

Below is a picture of Okiereddust taken not too long ago back when we had a cup of coffee in Muskogee.

[IMG]http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/music/sidecaps/haggard_merle.s.gif[/IMG]

Okiereddust

2004-05-05 01:16 | User Profile

[QUOTE=OlafLynckner]I have had no time for message boards until recently so I stopped by to see what was happening here and what do find but endless flames against a long time comrade. No support for a single comment whatsoever was given by someone hiding behind a screen name who lacking any real life attacks those that do on message boards. In case anyone is interested I have provided a photo of V.O. and BT.

The one Bjarni provided.

Also, here are a couple of links to articles about him.

[url="http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/91418.php"][u][color=#0000ff]http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/91418.php[/u][/color][/url]

Thanks for this bit of enlightenment.

Agresion fascista en Milan contra activistas del movimiento global: un muerto por Jueves Monday March 17, 2003 at 05:36 PM

Las bandas fascistas continuan la tarea de los caribinieri de Genova

En la noche entre el 16 y el 17 de marzo en MilÃÂ¡n, un dÃÂa despuÃÂ©s de la manifestaciÃÂ³n multitudinaria en MilÃÂ¡n contra la guerra, en una zona central de la ciudad (Zona Navigli, Via Brioschi 3), tres compaÃÂ±eros fueron victimas de una agresiÃÂ³n a manos de unos nazis. Las cuchilladas de los agresores fascistas mataron a Davide, uno de los militantes italianos. MÃÂ¡s tarde, compaÃÂ±eros y amigos de Davide y los demÃÂ¡s agredidos llegaron al Hospital San Pablo, donde habÃÂan sido trasladados el compaÃÂ±ero muerto y los otros dos heridos. Justo afuera, y tambiÃÂ©n en el interior del Hospital, la policÃÂa realizÃÂ³ una intervenciÃÂ²n violenta que terminÃÂ³ con otros companeros heridos y unos cuantos detenidos, luego dejados en libertad.

La versiÃÂ³n de los medios oficiales y de las agencias de prensa dan cuenta de un enfrentamiento alrededor de la zona y ni siquiera se mencionan las palabras "agresiÃÂ³n fascista", volviendo a proponer el tema clasico de la noche violenta entre jovenes de opuestas facciones politicas. Como si fuera algo que tiene que pasar necesariamente con esos "noglobal violentos".

Unos testigos, que sufrieron la represiÃÂ²n policial violenta y los golpes de los agentes, hablaron reciÃÂ©n salidos del hospital de palos de hierro y de porras utilizadas por las fuerzas policiales contra los compaÃÂ±eros reunidos para expresar solidaridad y manifestar su rechazo a la agresiÃÂ³n fascista.

[url="http://www.patriot.nu/notis.asp?notisID=815"][u][color=#0000ff]http://www.patriot.nu/notis.asp?notisID=815[/u][/color][/url]

As well as this one

JUDAR MISSHANDLADE NATIONALIST TILL DÃâDS I ITALIEN

2003 02 04. MILAN, ITALIEN. En ÃÂ¤ldre man, aktiv i den italienska Ã¢â¬ÂhÃÂ¶gerextremaÃ¢â¬Â organisationen ComunitÃÂ Politica Di Avanguardia, avled igÃÂ¥r efter en synnerligen brutal misshandel utfÃÂ¶rd av medlemmar ur en judisk, radikal sionistorganisation. En kamrat till den ÃÂ¤ldre mannen vars namn inte nÃÂ¤mns i sammanhanget, misshandlades ÃÂ¤ven han. Vibeke Ostergaard som skrivit artiklar fÃÂ¶r Resistance Magazine och VanguardNewsNetwork, har sÃÂ¤nts till sjukhus och hans situation uppges vara kritisk. DÃÂ¶dsmisshandeln kan ha ett samband med den vÃÂ¥g av ÃÂ¶verfall mot antisemiter och misstÃÂ¤nkta sÃÂ¥dana, som skÃÂ¶ljer ÃÂ¶ver Europa. Bland annat utsattes alldeles nyligen en fÃÂ¶retrÃÂ¤dare fÃÂ¶r British National Party fÃÂ¶r en attack utfÃÂ¶rd av judiska extremister.

As I have a life outside of message boards I can't see any reason to continue to carry on over some nameless troll.[/QUOTE]

Understood. I do thank you for the links, and they're generally intelligible as to their gist, even though they aren't in English.

Although Vibeke isn't on this board anymore, we do still respect him. However we obviously don't know him as well as others. Thanks for helping clarify things.

I do suspect there's some things we don't know about Vibeke, and perhaps don't need to know. Friend and foe alike after all study the things we put out here. But its good occasionally to resestablish some basic principles about long time comrades, even those with which we do not always agree.

Bardamu

2004-05-05 01:21 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno] I also believe without qualification that the man was savagely attacked in Italy last year, and I find White Iceland's "revelations" highly suspect and tasteless.

[/QUOTE]

I read about that attack before I ever heard of OD or Triskelion.

il ragno

2004-05-05 01:43 | User Profile

[QUOTE]I have had no time for message boards until recently so I stopped by to see what was happening here and what do find but endless flames against a long time comrade. No support for a single comment whatsoever was given by someone hiding behind a screen name who lacking any real life attacks those that do on message boards. In case anyone is interested I have provided a photo of V.O. and BT. Also, here are a couple of links to articles about him.[/QUOTE]

This reads pretty incoherently but if you'd bother to look twice you'd see that some of us were indeed defending VO - or at least vouching for his [I]existence[/I], anyway.

[QUOTE]As I have a life outside of message boards I can't see any reason to continue to carry on over some nameless troll.[/QUOTE]

This represents a new-age cliche for our times, and as I understand it, is supposed to lend your comments instant credibility. It basically translates into "Hey, I'm no Internet fag hiding from reality behind a keyboard - so pay attention!" and is used - 100% of the time, without exception - by someone "hiding from reality" and posting a comment on an Internet message-board.

White Iceland

2004-05-05 02:37 | User Profile

Here is the EXACT observation made by an alert user at Stormfront...

Vibeke's school: [url]http://wsd.matriots.com/trisk/index.html#school[/url]

Nordic House (FÃÂ¦roese cultural building in TÃÂ³rshavn... look for ad link on the right side of the following page): [url]http://www.tyr.net/tour.asp?Cmd=3&TourId=22[/url]

These buildings are not only similar... BUT THE SAME PHOTO!

The two news links about the "beating" which is nothing compared to what she's taking now...

The Swedish translation on patriot.nu was done by a friend of mine Fredrik Dahlgren who was also duped. He has now been informed of the error and you may contact him if you like through the same page which contains this additional language hoax nonsense... We have never met, but Fredrik has AT LEAST received snail mail from me... Can anyone say as much on VO's behalf?

Now the Swedes are pissed!

And the Argentina "proof?" Look down the page on that link and see the notes in Spanish (which is almost the same as English I assume) POST over the submitter's name... which is? Vibeke Ostergaard!

So, either Charlena Schulz Ostergaard is fluent in Spanish/Portugese or whatever that tongue is, or has duped another national!

Wracking up dissed folks around the globe doesn't amount to evidence cluster-f***

IrishJay

2004-05-05 03:27 | User Profile

For the record...I, IrishJay, am ONLY IrishJay.... LOL!!

Didn't want to create any more confusion.

I don't know what to make of all of this yet, but it makes for some good reading. :)

Okiereddust

2004-05-05 04:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]Here is the EXACT observation made by an alert user at Stormfront...

Vibeke's school: [url]http://wsd.matriots.com/trisk/index.html#school[/url]

Nordic House (FÃÂ¦roese cultural building in TÃÂ³rshavn... look for ad link on the right side of the following page): [url]http://www.tyr.net/tour.asp?Cmd=3&TourId=22[/url]

These buildings are not only similar... BUT THE SAME PHOTO!

By God, you're right about that!

And the Argentina "proof?" Look down the page on that link and see the notes in Spanish (which is almost the same as English I assume) POST over the submitter's name... which is? Vibeke Ostergaard! [/QUOTE]Yes, you're right about that too.

I'm not saying the jury is out on Triskelion, but clearly it seems to me there are some things about that man where initial appearances don't quite meet the eye. A certain amount of skepticism is always in order, and clearly there appear to be some unresolved things so far about this globetrotting NS, some of the hard facts on whom appear somewhat ephemerel.

An interesting bout so far. I'd say White Iceland started out definitely as an underdog, a newbie out of nowhere challenging the venerable Triskelion/V.O. . But so far he's parried some of the best shots Trisk's suporters could come up with, and thrown back some good counter thrusts of his own

Surely if Trisk/V.O. is as real as everyone thinks he is, someone ought to be able to come up with some unimpeachable proof of the basic facts about his life which he asserts. Otherwise all sorts of alternatives, which may seem unfair and rude, really can't be dismissed out of hand.

Trisk is obviously an ambitious individual who aspires to broad influence in the WN movement. As such his record certainly deserves scrutiny, and he and his supporters certainly shouldn't think it disloyal to have someone ask some second questions about this man, who he is, and what he really is all about.

If it turns out there's some major inconsistencies, it certainly wouldn't be the strangest thing that's happened in the WN world, by far.

Because let's face it, for all Trisk's seeming moderation in his tone and style, the practical effect of all his efforts were to attack paleoconservatism and any efforts/aspirations of it as a successful political movement, with leaders who have a reasonable chance of success, like Pat Buchanan, and forums like this that aspire to do so. And because of his manner, he has a attained a credibility with people that guys like Linder or our own Franco (sorry Franco) don't.

As Valley Forge says, you never really know who you're dealing with over the internet.

il ragno

2004-05-05 06:01 | User Profile

One point re the Argentine news-story: the news item itself was not written/submitted by Trisk. He added a comment in response to it. (Click all the links and you will see he triple-posted the same comment, possibly by accident.)

You got me on the glass house, though.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-05 07:30 | User Profile

[QUOTE=IrishJay]For the record...I, IrishJay, am ONLY IrishJay.... LOL!!

Didn't want to create any more confusion.

I don't know what to make of all of this yet, but it makes for some good reading. :)[/QUOTE]

Thank you for taking the time to come over and clarify that, Jay. I was more than a bit perplexed by that particular inference of WI's, but perhaps I just misunderstood what he was stating.

Kind regards to you.

White Iceland

2004-05-05 10:56 | User Profile

I really enjoyed the pic of Okie... and the link to the Triskelion "Magic the Gathering" game card much earlier here was priceless...

As a follow-up, and to lighten the mood... I am sending you this weather pic to explain why the boats didn't go out this morning and I am stuck here in my living room overlooking the cold and snowy North Atlantic... so I thought I would share the moment with you good readers!

I stepped over by the window with my web cam and took this shot... you'll see the island Litli GrÃÂmsey in the middle... inhabited by folks in the settlement days a thousand years ago but only sheep now. A keen eye might observe some snow along the road, a wave crashing to the right and the Shell gas tank up the hill to the left...

Sorry I'm not much of a photographer... I kind of got my hand in the way, but a good morning to each of you all anyhow!

OlafLynckner

2004-05-05 17:05 | User Profile

The not so White Iceland has yet to provide any indication that VO is anything other then what he says and what I and many others know him to be. What we know about WI is nothing. The fact that Tsun has yet to get around to reloading the proper pictures of the school after making a mistake means nothing. That WI doesnÃ¢â¬â¢t care for the name that VOÃ¢â¬â¢s mother chose for him means nothing. Claims by WI about phone calls he made to unnamed people mean nothing. That VO had trouble Yahoo mail and no longer does means nothing.

The totally unsupported claims of WI that those who defend VO are not real shows how desperate he really is. Of course it is meaningful that pretty much no one but WI doubts VOÃ¢â¬â¢s existence and that plenty of people have proven the root of WIÃ¢â¬â¢s claim as worthless.

As to J[font=Times New Roman]ÃÂ³[/font]n [font=Times New Roman]Ãâ[/font]gmundarsson I have attached a photo of him that I doubt was taken in the 1100s.

I expect Okie and Tex to assume that WIÃ¢â¬â¢s baseless claims were worth attention. Given that both hold National Socialism in contempt and were mad that VO easily thrashed paleo-con theory and practice I expect as much from them. As to why VO left here I suggest that any interested see his very extensive explination under thread called "leaving OD" and note the way that Okie and Tex have gone to great lenghts to distort what VO has said here. Which is perfectly shown by Okie saying VO supported his positions based upon his personal success when in reality he pointed out that various nationalist and populist parties in various countries did far better then the American paleos and attributed that success to problems with paleo thinking which Tex/Okie never even attempted to debate.

The bottom line is that none of the slurs on VO have substance and WI is a fraud.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-05 17:51 | User Profile

[QUOTE=OlafLynckner]I expect Okie and Tex to assume that WI?s baseless claims were worth attention. Given that both hold National Socialism in contempt and were mad that VO easily thrashed paleo-con theory and practice I expect as much from them. As to why VO left here I suggest that any interested see his very extensive explination under thread called "leaving OD" and note the way that Okie and Tex have gone to great lenghts to distort what VO has said here. Which is perfectly shown by Okie saying VO supported his positions based upon his personal success when in reality he pointed out that various nationalist and populist parties in various countries did far better then the American paleos and attributed that success to problems with paleo thinking which Tex/Okie never even attempted to debate.

The bottom line is that none of the slurs on VO have substance and WI is a fraud.[/QUOTE]

C'mon, Olaf/trisk/Bjarni. There's no reason to impute sinister intentions to myself or Okie. Neither of us brought this circus to our pages here at OD.

For all I know White Iceland could be you as well. Your IPs are different, but I suppose it is easy enough to bounce off proxies anywhere in the world. Maybe its just another publicity stunt. That seems as likely an explanation as any.

I don't care if you have multiple handles and accounts here. Why don't you just end this charade and come clean? You could even do so and still retain your anonymity. I think you have many positive ideas to contribute, but I don't see the reason to continue with this farce. All you've effectively accomplished with it is to completely undermine anything constructive you have to offer the greater nationalist movement.

White Iceland

2004-05-06 00:19 | User Profile

Famous FÃÂ¦roers Gallery (conspicuous absence of all but one of the historical figures in Nordic Imperium) [url]http://faroe.natmus.dk/indsamler.html[/url]

JÃÂ³n Ãâgmundarson(the ONLY notable figure in history with that name) [url]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintj4w.htm[/url]

Bjarni Tyrdal [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/member.php?u=637[/url] [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=40742#post40742[/url] [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=74029#post74029[/url]

The "then" factor: Bjarni Tyrdal Vibeke Ostergaard Olaf

These three consistently make the same tell-tale grammatical error... using "then" in place of "than." It is common enough to slip occassionally, but having studied writing for 4 years in the States, I was taught that such little slips are something an editor learns to expect and watch out for once identified in a particular staff member. Particularly anyone who is an otherwise good writer will usually have a signature ignorant spot... trisk's in "then" in place of "than." ...better then... less then... meaning in comparison to, should be than... "then" is for use in the context of time. ...First came Santa, later Alfred E. Neumann, then Vibeke Oysterguard... Improper trisk signature use would be "I would rather be a well-known liar then an honest nobody."

My signature? The triple-tap ... pure habit... ellipsis overuse... comes from writing for radio... a more visible and demanding pause than , or even ;

That's your grammar lesson for the day!

IrishJay

2004-05-06 01:41 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Thank you for taking the time to come over and clarify that, Jay. I was more than a bit perplexed by that particular inference of WI's, but perhaps I just misunderstood what he was stating.

Kind regards to you.[/QUOTE]No problem...I admit this whole VO thing is very perplexing. If it is a fake, this is an amazing fake that duped people for years. I enjoy the website and his writings so it will be quite a shocker if this is deemed to be fraudulent.

I am just going to stay in the background on this one and investigate as much as I can...

OlafLynckner

2004-05-06 01:45 | User Profile

Seeimg that WI has had all of his baseless assertions easily refuted it stands to reason he clutches at straws. A simple typo is made out to be a big deal by three none English speakers. Note that no one said that the figures mentioned in the article were famous and in fact they are very obscure (although it should be other wise). But hey, when your comment about J[font=Times New Roman]ÃÂ³[/font]n [font=Times New Roman]Ãâ[/font]gmundarsson got refuted so easily along with the rest of your baselss assertions you don't have much else to grap on to.

Better luck next time Antifa troll.

Bardamu

2004-05-06 01:59 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Octopod]Who the hell am I? A few months ago Tex informed me that I have Raina's IP address. I'm still stumped on that one. :confused:[/QUOTE]

A bad fate! She was posting at the Phora under the name Scat-Vamp. :disgust:

White Iceland

2004-05-06 02:28 | User Profile

That interior school photo is also the Nordic House TÃÂ³rshavn, so I guess he's taken over one of the most architecturally famous public buildings in FÃÂ¦roe Islands...

His books were published, first in FÃÂ¦roese then in Icelandic at 600 copies each... there is also a rare German edition and the first English edition was supposed to come out in an edition of 850 copies a couple of months ago and all were spoken for through advance orders... even a Finnish edition of Nordic Imperium, or was it Folkish Salvation... no maybe it was The Nation Organic... anyway, one his several books was translated and illegally printed in Finland! Though even Vibeke claims not to have seen that one...

I just know I have the signed first editions of all of them in every language packed up around here somewhere... I think they are in the same box as my Mad Arab original manuscripts... but if I could just get someone to send me a scan of the cover, front flyleaf or library catalog info on any one of them I'm sure my imaginative memory would kick in and I would be able to put my hands on them and get reading again! If not, I would be glad to pay that spic 10.000 isk for any one of these great titles, none of which I can even recall the Icelandic title for just now...

Hail Nyarlothep!

OlafLynckner

2004-05-06 02:43 | User Profile

In order for sarcasm to work one needs the truth and wit you lack. It had been pointed out that the Finnish version was only a rumour and V.O. portrayed it as such. You said nothing that has been supported to refute any thing else that VO or anyone esle claimed.

And no, their is no interior shot of the school at VO's site so your lies are simply too transparent. As to "Spics" I don't know any so again better luck next time.

madrussian

2004-05-06 03:05 | User Profile

White Iceland exudes gefilte fish stench.

White Iceland

2004-05-06 11:58 | User Profile

Well, of course... it's the nations livelihood... as far as how you would be able to tell it is of the kosher variety says more about you my friend... actually, we haven't had anyone around to bless the stuff since Rabbi Tyrdal left the countryside... oh well, I guess we missed out on that contract to export salted cod to Israel... darn!

How about them books! Yep, how 'bout them books.... erm... hmm... how about them books? What were the titles in any language again?

friedrich braun

2004-05-06 13:45 | User Profile

This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read on a board, and I don't know what to make of the accusations.

I would be interested in seeing Trisk's book(s) -- I remember telling Trisk in a private correspondence a few months ago that I would like to buy his latest work but I never heard from him again.

In any case, Trisk is one of the best WN writers in cyberspace so whoever he is, and whatever his agenda is, he has been doing the movement a great favour with his well argued and informative articles and posts.

friedrich braun

2004-05-06 13:50 | User Profile

Triskelion addresses the accusations on The Phora:

[QUOTE]I don't see the need to say much about what a coward hiding behind a screen name claims. My first name is pretty much like Kerry and Tracy in America in that where I live it's mostly a female name but to a lesser extent used by males. As to my attackers other claims he has nothing but supossed comments from other nameless figures. I will point out that his claim about JÃÂ³n Ãâgmundarsson is false and a photo of him is found (along with mine) on the thread to prove it. Note that Okie and Tex are anti-racialist and pissed that I easily refuted their ideology. The mis-labeled school photo is simply a matter of Tsun not having the time to correct an error I made in uploading.

The whole thing boring and trite so I don't see any need to bother with it.

Any way, if you look here: [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2805[/url] you'll see my trashing Umberto Eco with ease which does deal with something that matters.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8731[/url]

Okiereddust

2004-05-06 15:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Triskelion addresses the accusations on The Phora:

The mis-labeled school photo is simply a matter of Tsun not having the time to correct an error I made in uploading.

The whole thing boring and trite so I don't see any need to bother with it.

[url]http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8731[/url][/QUOTE] Maybe. But since it would all be easily put to rest with just a couple of quotes referring to Vibeke from non-racialist dominated sources, it still makes me wonder if we've heard the whole truth about this matter.

V.O. has made a number of hard claims - elections won, institutions incorporated, etc. It should be a routine matter to back them up, even granting a certain amount of retincence about ones real identity in this day and age. If rumours persist it is to some extent therefore V.O.'s and only V.O.'s fault.

madrussian

2004-05-06 18:10 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie] It's more likely that he's just some obsessive-compulsive with a personal grudge against Mr. Ostergaard.[/QUOTE]

That would make him an honorary zhid.

Okiereddust

2004-05-07 00:02 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]That would make him an honorary zhid.[/QUOTE] Give me a break guys. All anyone here knows about Triskelion/V.O. is he's a well known figure among WN circles, well read, who writes slightly ponderous but obviously well researched essays.

He in other words is an internet figure, who receives good reviews on the WN internet circuit, but whom really outside of these circles we know little about. Just like you and me.

Now if that's all he claimed, that would be fine and dandy. He however claims authority based on real life accomplishments, for which so far I've heard talk but absolutely no real verification.

To say that to question a figure per se make one an "honorary zhid" is starting to sound slightly totalitarian.

White Iceland

2004-05-07 00:39 | User Profile

Have you ever met anyone who has met Vibeke?
Have you ever received post from anyone who has received post from Vibeke?
Have you ever spoken on the phone with anyone who has ever spoken on the phone with Vibeke?
Have you ever read a book by Vibeke?
Have you ever met, received post or spoken on the phone with a North Atlantic islander about Vibeke?
Do you actually believe in Vibeke?
Are you one of Vibeke's poor internet mind control guinea pigs?

If you answered yes to any of questions 1 through 4 Congratulations! You are a self-deceived co-creator and conspirator in what will become know in our circles as the great Scandinavian Nazi Hero hoax.

If you answered no to question 5 and yes to question 6 you have been a bad boy or girl and Santa isn't bringing you any presents this year!

If you answered yes to question 6 and no to 7 you are in denial... take an aspirin, get some rest, give it a chance to sink in and start learning to deal with it.

If you answered no to question 6 you are the sort of person who doesn't believe everything they see on TV.

If you answered yes to 7 you are honest and can overcome this... continued careful consideration of this thread will have you off "his" cyber excersize wheel in no time.

madrussian

2004-05-07 00:44 | User Profile

Okie,

without your clashes with triskelion you wouldn't have paid a fraction of the attention you are paying to this troll.

Quoting beowitz from LF "you may be a fool because you want to believe".

Okiereddust

2004-05-07 00:56 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]Okie,

without your clashes with triskelion you wouldn't have paid a fraction of the attention you are paying to this troll.

Quoting beowitz from LF "you may be a fool because you want to believe".[/QUOTE] I don't see why you have such a negatory attitude toward trolls. They are after all an integral part of Norse mythology. :lol:

But you're right, speculating excessively on the identity of posters is part of the LF/FR disease, which realy shows I think one is getting too wrapped up in the internet.

But Trisk certainly helps precipitate it. Before he quit here I say I was spending 4 hours a day responding to his voluminous essays. For a fellow who has just recently almost died, and has a host of civic, professional, and WN activities to boot, he truly has remarkable energy.

I think, like the skunk or other prominent LF posters, everyone wouldreally like to know more about the man behind the legend.

Valley Forge

2004-05-07 01:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Before he quit here I say I was spending 4 hours a day responding to his voluminous essays. For a fellow who has just recently almost died, and has a host of civic, professional, and WN activities to boot, he truly has remarkable energy. [/QUOTE]

Although I strongly disagree with a lot of what you and Tex have to say about Triskelion and his work, I agree with you that his apparent failure to back up his claims of success in the real world seriously undermine his credibility. Besides, if everyone knows his alleged real identity anyway, VO, or whatever his name is -- I'm won't attempt to spell it -- I don't see why linking in some citations proving his successes should be such a big deal, especially since he's already so well known enough in Europe that he was attacked and almost beaten to death. Admittedly, whoever Triskelion is, he's a very capable person with a first rate mind, but something does seem a little fishy here. In addition to the activities you mention above, I also clearly recall Trisk/VO claiming at different times here and on Polinco that he studied politics in the United States, had four or five degrees, and ran a successful business. Ordinarily I'd be skeptical of such claims, but since his posts were always so impressive and well reasoned (to me at least), I always figured everything he said was true.

White Iceland

2004-05-07 19:45 | User Profile

The nonsensical details of VO supposed book to be translated into English, supposedly having already been translated and published here in Iceland, first came to my attention in a thread on SF. Taking him at his word and not having the connections we Scandinavians have language-wise to go on a quest for this "Holy Grail," English-speaking victims could easily assume this message is true and even look forward to reading The Promise of Folkish Salvation: The Nation Organic. I know we did upon hearing of it... such subjects in Icelandic are rare and I am a relentless bookworm. This Icelandic translation is not to be found, even with hazy details provided in a private email to a friend:

"A couple of my books on NS ideology were printed in Icelandic several years back by an elderly comrade named AlfgerÃÂ°r ÃÅ¾orgeirsson that died a [sic] two years ago so you might want to keep a look out for them."

AlfgerÃÂ°r is a poorly rendered Icelandic FEMALE name. It is spelled today ÃÂlfgerÃÂ°ur. To rob the name from old saga sources readily accessible to English speakers, it would be typical to drop the "u" as the old manuscripts sometimes abbreviated spellings to save space on precious calf-skin. It is sad that this writing material was so valuable that it took dozens of calves to publish something like the original Eddas and Sagas and in lean times thereafter some of our national literature was lost when starving grandchildren of our Viking forefathers boiled and ate such volumes. Kind of like the Charlie Chaplin shoe-eating scene in Gold Rush. However, no one today goes by their names with such "u"-less conditions. VO or BT or OL will of course say it was another small, innocent mistake just like the Nordic House photo used to portray a non-existent folk school. So, let's consider gender again. ÃÂlfgerÃÂ°ur ÃÅ¾orgeirsson offers another case of androgyny in VO circles. A woman's first name and a MAN's last name, as ÃÅ¾orgeirsSON is a boy, like any other folks' sons. ÃÂlfgerÃÂ°ur should have been ÃÅ¾orgeirsDÃâTTIR! We are the only country in the world that, by law, still follows the Old Norse patronomic (father's name) system for surnames based on sex. Did VO intend to imply that this "comrade" was another transsexual? If so, I'm glad he/she is dead. What a perv!

It has been guessed at that VO or BT were setting believers up for a money scam in the "forthcoming book in English" post. BT clearly states, "Payment will be by International Money Orders as I object to credit cards on principle and I will send you the address you should send payment to when the books are ready for delivery."

Price was given as 35USD with air shipment to the states running an additional 12USD.

"A total of 750 copies will be printed and so far 637 have been spoken for." These are likely random numbers, but if true... do the math. 637 x $47US = $29,939US. So, thirty grand for a couple years of online hoaxing. That should more than pay his electric and internet bills. Profitable hobby, huh? I can understand why he wouldn't offer customers the security of selling the book on Jewbay... why give them a cut?

One more telling discrepancy in the SF thread. The original post included a letter received by a believer from BT. Appended to this letter was a summary by VO. Now, follow carefully, if you were a publisher writing an up-to-date notice about a forthcoming book and stuck the description on just before firing your letter off, the authors description would have been written FIRST... make sure you understand what I'm saying. So, the VO segment was written FIRST. Of course, attached to BT's notice, it appears LAST in the letter. All clear on that? Here's where we're going with this:

VO's description, written first, refers to "theorists mentioned above" in the opening paragraph. There are no theorists mentioned above that line UNLESS you read back into BT's introductory. This destroys realistic "chronological continuity" and would be easier to pick out if there were a Hollywood B movie about the life of VO.

Speaking of movies (I'm so proud of this segue), I have taken inspiration from another classic scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail to give "the man behind VO" a name...

The Grail Knights are on their sacred quest when the lighted image of a grail appears above Castle Anthrax. Upon investigation it is discovered that "bad, bad, evil, wicked, naughty Zoot" has been setting alight the grail-shaped beacon to entice seekers to be used for her own sexual satisfaction.

It is another one of those androgynous names too, as Captain Beefheart enthusiasts may recall that the "glass finger guitar, flute" player for his Magic Band was the presumably male Zoot Horn Rollo.

Furthermore, if it turns out that anyone has sent money for VO's book and would take legal action, we may have a Zoot suit riot on our hands.

References: [url]http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-106235[/url]

Next up: WI demolishes the Milan beating hoax.

Paleoleftist

2004-05-07 22:18 | User Profile

WI, could you comment on this?

The thing I recall Trisk saying which I found most surprising was that some relative(s) of his actively resisted the Allied (45+) occupation of Denmark.

This I found astonishing, because I had been under the impression that 1) there were next to no Reich supporters in Denmark. 2) the Allies did not even occupy Denmark. 3) there were no 'Werwolf' type pro-German resistance forces [I]anywhere[/I], outside Germany proper.

As Trisk seemed so convincing, I didnÃÂ´t inquire into this further. But I would now be interested if my info had been right about 1)-3) above, especially 2), which would make TriskÃÂ´s related claim impossible, obviously.

Okiereddust

2004-05-07 23:34 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]This I found astonishing, because I had been under the impression that 1) there were next to no Reich supporters in Denmark. 2) the Allies did not even occupy Denmark. 3) there were no 'Werwolf' type pro-German resistance forces [I]anywhere[/I], outside Germany proper.

I'll speak for WI. I'm sure a scandavavian knows a lot more but briefly

1)I find that hard to believe. Churchill called Denmark some sort of canary, referring to their lack of resistance to the German occupation. They generally are acknowledgedto have been the most pro-German of any WWII German occupied land 2)Well our forces certainly did initially, although actually we just barely beat the Soviets to it. And of course Denmark became a NATO country, so I'm sure there was some Allied presence there of some sort, albeit probably low key compared to central Europe. 3)I'll let Trisk answer that, but I'm sure there were a few legends of such among foreign Waffen-SS types. Since the Werwolf's were pretty much a bust even in Germany proper though it seems likely thereweren't very many.

Petr

2004-05-07 23:48 | User Profile

Yeah, there was not any resistance worth mentioning even against Germans in Denmark, let alone Allied forces.

A joke went around in Europe that the worst disaster that ever struck Danes during the WW II was the temporary closedown of their famous Copenhagen fun-fair.

Petr

Paleoleftist

2004-05-08 00:14 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I'll speak for WI. I'm sure a scandavavian knows a lot more but briefly

1) Small, flat, country => not that suited for a guerilla war. They were not so much pro- or anti-anything, in my understanding, but rather pacifist. 2) I seem to recall that Germans left peacefully in May, 1945, then Danes arrested the few collaborators, Allied forces never went into Denmark (before NATO), but I could be wrong. Any Danish members who know details? 3) Anti-allied resistance died down fast in Germany, did never exist in the first place here in Austria or anywhere else, to my knowledge, but if anybody has some info to the contrary, IÃÂ´m quite willing to learn.

Okiereddust

2004-05-08 00:28 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]1) Small, flat, country => not that suited for a guerilla war. They were not so much pro- or anti-anything, in my understanding, but rather pacifist.

Perhaps. But there also was more less antagonism toward the Germans, and more inclination to participate in 3rd Reich organizations, than elsewhere, though the Germans went encouraged this by making Denmark a model occupation country.> 2) I seem to recall that Germans left peacefully in May, 1945, then Danes arrested the few collaborators, Allied forces never went into Denmark (before NATO), but I could be wrong. Any Danish members who know details?

Not on your life. In any German occupied country, let alone one without any form of functioning resistance movement, the allies assumed the country was German controlled until their forces occupied it.

Also, as Churchill notes, in Denmark the Allies were forced to occupy the country in somewhat of a rush, after hearing reports the Soviets planned to send paratroopers in to "liberate" Copenhagen (to which geographicaly they were much closer to. [/QUOTE]

Valley Forge

2004-05-08 05:40 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]The nonsensical details of VO supposed book to be translated into English, supposedly having already been translated and published here in Iceland, first came to my attention in a thread on SF. Taking him at his word and not having the connections we Scandinavians have language-wise to go on a quest for this "Holy Grail," English-speaking victims could easily assume this message is true and even look forward to reading The Promise of Folkish Salvation: The Nation Organic. I know we did upon hearing of it... such subjects in Icelandic are rare and I am a relentless bookworm. [/QUOTE]

Frankly, White Iceland, I'm skeptical that you're an entirely disinterested party here.

Nevertheless, even though you really haven't put forth much on this thread other than unsubstantiated claims, the reason in my opinion that your claims haven't been completely laughed off yet is that there do appear to be some things that, upon reflection, seem more than a little fishy about this Trisk/VO person.

Let's put aside speculation for a minute and review what we know.

Trisk/VO is a person who, unlike most, has enough free time to write prolifically. He also claims to run a successful business. He claims to have an unusual number of degrees. He claims to have studied politics in the United States. He claims to have written books that have been published. He claims to have been involved in many civic and community activities in his native lands. He claims that he helped get some actual Nationalist candidates elected to real political offices. And finally, because he is so well known in Europe for his politically incorrect Nationalist activities, he claims to been savagely beaten in Italy by Jews.

Yet outside of the WN Internet circuit, there is no evidence anyone has ever heard of this guy.

Clearly, that doesn't make any sense.

If so many people in Europe already know about him anyway, I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't want to take a moment of his time to link in a citation, reference, news article, link, ISBN, or something, anything, that verifies just one of the many public accomplishments he claims to have to his credit.

Unlike most politically incorrect Internet posters, he's been talking about his personal life in public for years anyway, so what exactly is the big deal here everybody -- why doesn't he quash White Iceland like a bug and expose him as a crank?

Now then, lest anyone accuse me of displaying an inappropriate interest in someone's personal business, let's not forget that it was none other than this Trisk/VO person himself who volunteered all these details about his personal life, and here on Original Dissent, he even went so far as to introduce these details into his debates with the NS opposition to prove the supposed superiority of his viewpoint.

But when Okie started asking questions, he left in a huff and is now on thephora telling the lie that Tex and Okie are "anti-Racialist," even though they've both been discussing race and the Jewish question for years now in public on website paid for by Texas Dissident.

In my opinion, that is a discrediting reponse.

White Iceland

2004-05-08 12:31 | User Profile

Well, I am satisfied that I've flushed out Zoot at VNN

[url]http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=4550[/url]

Tsun is definitely bosom buddies with VO... he owns the matriots website that hosts VO and conducts the interview on that site.

So, who is Tsun? Basically, I'm not going after him because all is clear now. There were several subtle hints, one in particular that no one but I would catch, that we know one another. Should I tell now that I've gone through this entire excersize just to tear down (one of) his favorite role-playing character(s)?

As Amon Goethe said in Swindler's List, "I pardon you."

I was dead on with one of my early assumptions. Apparently VO was created to inspire us... and hell, he has! I hope to remain in contact with several of the good folks I have met for the first time through VO. In the end, I just may have been Tsun's biggest dupe of all...

Of course, as when you accidentally make an impressive billiards shot, you can always claim, "I meant to do that," but it has worked out just too good.

Still, it seemed like suicide when he first contacted my friend with outrageous claims, some of which I didn't even pull out here such as that his home on the mainland had been firebombed killing his first-born and that he owned bakeries and a diesel truck stop in Iceland. It seems almost as if he was setting himself up with those claims for "suicide by police."

In closing, I will say of Tsun that he has circulated some amazing material over the years and has honestly described himself in some board profiles as an "internet character."

I don't know why he set alight the grail-shaped beacon with VO except that it may have been to express elements of his personality, his hopes, dreams, aspirations, that he was not able to put forward with his main anonymous identity (?).

I think the name Tsun is taken from Tomislav Sunic if that means anything to anyone.

The clincher? Tsun just may be girl!

"Bad, bad, evil, wicked, naughty Zoot! You must give her a good spanking!"

(p.s. I don't have any expertise on WWII Danmark... but now it would appear that is a subject for a seperate thread... drop in to the Stormfront Scandinavia forum and try for the answers there... it's a good sister board to have!)

Valley Forge

2004-05-08 15:29 | User Profile

OK, on that VNN thread linked by White Iceland, Vibeke Osteergaard said:

Those that are interested in gossip and lies by a keyboard bound coward can indulge their paranoia and attack those of us able to do something productive. The rest of you I encourage to get on with your lives and only speak in my defense if you a) have time b) have common sense c) are worried about Tagar style disinformation efforts d) Think the blathering of some screen name merits your time and e) feel that my conduct from '81 onwards is something you feel positive about. (My, emphasis)

[url]http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=4550[/url]

Now then, here is Vibeke Osteergaard's statement on his family/educational/business background, made on this forum about a year ago:

Age 35, 4 children & stable family. education: micro biological chemistry M.A. (focus upon zymurgy), International Political Economics PhD. and lesser degrees in related fields as well as a M.A. in naval architecture and a B.S. in metallurgy. Occupation: owner of some small businesses of no importance.

[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=6743[/url]

For someone who has been active on behalf of the cause since age 13, that's a very impressive a run of success.

edward gibbon

2004-05-08 16:11 | User Profile

[QUOTE=White Iceland]... (p.s. I don't have any expertise on WWII Danmark... but now it would appear that is a subject for a seperate thread... drop in to the Stormfront Scandinavia forum and try for the answers there... it's a good sister board to have!)[/QUOTE]From my book: [QUOTE]In April of 1940 when Germany invaded Denmark, the Danes made virtually no resistance. The Germans needed all of five paratroop infantry companies to take Oslo, capital of Norway. It was not until 1943 that the Germans executed the first Dane for resisting their rule. On October 1, 1943 the Germans had scheduled the arrest and deportation of the 7000 Jews in Denmark. The commander of the German troops in Denmark, General Best, had informed his maritime attache, Georg Duckwitz, of the decision to deport Jews to the concentration camps. Duckwitz with the tacit approval of General Best informed his friends among the Danish government who arranged for the flight of these Jews. On a very warm October 1 while wearing winter coats and all their jewelry, many Jewish ladies rode the train from Copenhagen to the coast. As most Danish Jews lived in Copenhagen, and there was only one train line to the coast, Herbert Pundik, then 16 years of age, remembered the train being "loaded with Jews". In not one case did German officials attempt to check the identity of even one Jew. One who did escape remembered Germans having an observation post near where his boat had left. Another remarked that the escape could not have happened without the connivance of the Germans. Explanations of the behavior of the Germans have revolved around the fact that Denmark was furnishing the German Reich with ten percent of its food needs, and General Best had determined that continued tranquility in Denmark was his most important consideration. Mr. Pundik now an editor of the newspaper Politiken thought the reason the truth of the escape from Denmark took fifty years to emerge was that the myth was too satisfying, and people did not want to smash it. For those who might want to sneer they should ask if Americans would have behaved any more nobly.[/QUOTE]I posted this before at Sam Francis's site, if I remember correctly.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-08 21:15 | User Profile

So V. Ostergaard/Bjarni/Triskelion/Olaf are really alter-egos of Tsun, who is more than likely a woman, who ran down paleo-con/traditional conservatism and Southron nationalism as doomed failures all the while pointing to the growing success of a 'heathen, folkish nationalism' in Scandinavia and greater Europa that was entirely made up out of whole cloth.

LOL. :lol: That's just hilarious.

Good job, Tsun, whoever you are. :thumbsup: You played us all.

Okiereddust

2004-05-09 05:05 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]So V. Ostergaard/Bjarni/Triskelion/Olaf are really alter-egos of Tsun, who is more than likely a woman, who ran down paleo-con/traditional conservatism and Southron nationalism as doomed failures all the while pointing to the growing success of a 'heathen, folkish nationalism' in Scandinavia and greater Europa that was entirely made up out of whole cloth.

LOL. :lol: That's just hilarious.

Good job, Tsun, whoever you are. :thumbsup: You played us all.[/QUOTE]Interesting speculation about the mysterious Tsun and the Matriots website. It does appear that everything about Triskelion is closely connected with this website. Now if he is "Tsun" and what it means if he is "Tsun" is problematical anyway IMO. I know far less about "Tsun" than Triskelion.

Franco is connected with Matriots too. For all I know he could be Franco's other side :lol:.

White Iceland

2004-05-09 16:52 | User Profile

[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=80736[/url]

friedrich braun

2004-05-10 19:15 | User Profile

I haven't read this entire thread yet but Fadethebutcher, the administrator of The Phora, has informed me that Triskelion is a fraud, i.e., his IP address points to New Mexico and not Europe.

What fascinates me is the "why"? To give himself more importance? Is that it? Pathetic scam artist. :dung:

madrussian

2004-05-10 19:50 | User Profile

I believe all moderators on OD have access to ip numbers and can compare ip's of several posters they suspect is one and the same, and do it for a period time long enough to exclude the possibility of someone traveling. And also they can check if those are proxies. Of course, it doesn't exclude all the possibilities, like someone logging in onto a remote machine running Unix/Linux, for example, and running a browser there, but that scenario is quite far-fetched.

friedrich braun

2004-05-10 20:01 | User Profile

According to Fade WI is legit -- his IP address traces to Iceland.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-10 23:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]I believe all moderators on OD have access to ip numbers and can compare ip's of several posters they suspect is one and the same, and do it for a period time long enough to exclude the possibility of someone traveling. And also they can check if those are proxies. Of course, it doesn't exclude all the possibilities, like someone logging in onto a remote machine running Unix/Linux, for example, and running a browser there, but that scenario is quite far-fetched.[/QUOTE]

vb has full ip searches by number and member, plus cross-searching.

I did this and well, let's just say there are some interesting coincidences. One that shocked me quite frankly, but sorry, I'll say nothing more in detail here. Suffice to say some things aren't what they appear to be and they all appear to be centered in and around one particular place here on the web and location here in the States.

This is amazing!! and all of you -- [u]make sure you really, really know who you're talking to before you talk![/u]

madrussian

2004-05-10 23:42 | User Profile

I hope it has nothing to do with Todd.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-10 23:49 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]I hope it has nothing to do with Todd.[/QUOTE]

No, nothing to do with TBF. Pretty sure about that, but after this I think nothing would surprise me to be truthful. I myself kind of feel like a victim of one of those money scams now, because I have had some outside contact with one of the personalities and I can't believe I didn't see it beforehand.

Let me say that there has been no crime committed here, so take it all in perspective. Just some credibility issues really, but identities that have certainly affected this board over the last few years.

madrussian

2004-05-11 00:01 | User Profile

Mentioning Todd was a joke.

You mean you didn't try this ip analysis before? What do they say, trust but verify?

Texas Dissident

2004-05-11 00:03 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]You mean you didn't try this ip analysis before?[/QUOTE]

Uhhhh....no. I guess I'm not much of a sleuth.

madrussian

2004-05-11 00:07 | User Profile

Exposing frauds is your fiduciary duty as an administrator. Remember that since most here don't have access to that info, they assume you are doing your part.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-11 00:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]Exposing frauds is your fiduciary duty as an administrator. Remember that since most here don't have access to that info, they assume you are doing your part.[/QUOTE]

Are you going to bring suit, MR?

Perhaps I am naive, but unless someone is just an outright troll I don't do much behind the scenes investigation and take them at face value by what they actually post here. Plus, it's a question of time. It's hard enough for me to keep tabs on what is actually being posted.

And again, I'm only seeing IP associations. Strong associations, mind you, but only associations none the less.

Valley Forge

2004-05-11 00:26 | User Profile

[QUOTE=friedrich braun]I haven't read this entire thread yet but Fadethebutcher, the administrator of The Phora, has informed me that Triskelion is a fraud, i.e., his IP address points to New Mexico and not Europe.

What fascinates me is the "why"? To give himself more importance? Is that it? Pathetic scam artist. :dung:[/QUOTE]

Is an IP traced to New Mexico significant?

Most people use proxies these days to post on un-pc message boards.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-11 00:31 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Is an IP traced to New Mexico significant?

Most people use proxies these days to post on un-pc message boards.[/QUOTE]

IPs are quite often traced to central, regional hubs or ISPs. Keep in mind VF, I've got a couple of years material in this database.

il ragno

2004-05-11 01:25 | User Profile

[QUOTE]vb has full ip searches by number and member, plus cross-searching. I did this and well, let's just say there are some interesting coincidences. One that shocked me quite frankly, but sorry, I'll say nothing more in detail here. [/QUOTE]

I was 'Zut Alors' while deciding whether or not to officially return here so I've contributed an IP anomaly of my own. However, when I booked [B]my [/B] sex tours as BUDGET HUMP-A-WOG TRAVEL, I made sure they bypassed Thailand entirely.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-11 02:35 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]However, when I booked [B]my [/B] sex tours as BUDGET HUMP-A-WOG TRAVEL, I made sure they bypassed Thailand entirely.[/QUOTE]

Hump-a-Wog was YOU???

:lol:

Angler

2004-05-11 02:36 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]And again, I'm only seeing IP associations. Strong associations, mind you, but only associations none the less.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm being naive -- hell, I am naive when it comes to network stuff -- but would these "associations" you're referring to happen to be multiple IP addresses coming from single posters? If so, then couldn't that be due to DHCP connections where the IP address of each computer linked to an ISP gets changed periodically? I don't know much about this stuff, and you may or may not know a lot, but I'm wondering if that might not account for some of what you're seeing.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-11 02:39 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]but would these "associations" you're referring to happen to be multiple IP addresses coming from single posters?[/QUOTE]

No A, the same IP address for several members.

Angler

2004-05-11 02:52 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]No A, the same IP address for several members.[/QUOTE]The exact same IP address? Hmmm...I'm not one of them, am I? :lol:

I wonder if multiple posters can be assigned precisely the same IP address if they happen to be using the same "anonymity" proxy server to connect. It doesn't seem likely.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-11 03:01 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]I wonder if multiple posters can be assigned precisely the same IP address if they happen to be using the same "anonymity" proxy server to connect. It doesn't seem likely.[/QUOTE]

About as likely as evolution. :lol: gotcha.

Plus, it's a dialup ISP. I don't think that's likely to be a proxy server.

madrussian

2004-05-11 03:06 | User Profile

Discussing ip addresses and multiples seems to always quickly move any argument into a practical plane. Posturing and pretending is a crime no one can forgive on internet :lol:

FadeTheButcher

2004-05-11 20:31 | User Profile

This triskelion fellow is some type of fraud. A few days ago friedrich braun posted a thread on The Phora about this issue to which triskelion responded. I largely ignored the issue for several days as I was busy with several other threads and finishing up exams. Well, just the other day the White Iceland guy showed up on The Phora and made more accusations. I decided to look up both of their IP addresses since I suspected it was all some sort of joke. Well, as it turns out, White Iceland's IP address does in fact trace back to Iceland (to his credit). triskelion's IP address, on the other hand, traces back exclusively to New Mexico, USA. I suspect his IP address is turning up similar results here. In light of all the other inconsistencies turned up by White Iceland, I am quite confident this guy is simply not who he says he is. I mentioned this privately to braun yesterday on Yahoo IM before saying anything publically about the matter. triskelion seems to have taken many of you guys for a ride. If this deception were not so elaborate, then I doubt I would have ever said anything about the matter. This just goes to show that many people on the internet are not who they say they are.

friedrich braun

2004-05-11 20:54 | User Profile

Precisely, if it wasn't for his elaborate personal info and incessant boastings no one would have payed any attention to what WI said (and he wouldn't have said anything in the first place).

Triskelion is a wild megalomaniac and a fabulator extraordinaire, and it's really too bad since he obviously is a bright and learned individual. The problem now is that he has lost all credibility and one is left wondering what in his writings (for e.g., posts and articles) is fact and what is fiction.

Valley Forge

2004-05-11 21:53 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Raskolnikov]Most likely he is an authentic White Nationalist who has embellished his real-life accomplishments to add weight to his posts.[/QUOTE]

This hits the nail squarely on the head.

If trisk is a real WN, he could regain a little credibility with me and perhaps others if he just comes clean, admits who he is, and admits that supporting his ideas with lies was a serious mistake.

il ragno

2004-05-11 22:40 | User Profile

I disagree. The best thing for all concerned is for Triskelion to either emphatically prove he's for real if he [I]is[/I], or to go away for good if he's [I]not[/I]. Anything in between is just going to prolong this for no good purpose except to give ARA types a good laugh and a recruiting tool.

As it is it seems crazy that this has generated so much activity and controversy. I hadn't so much as thought about VO, or neo-guildism, for months before this contretemps - had [I]any[/I]one? - and he wasn't top-of-the-pops while he was posting, either.

Dig a hole, throw this whole affair in it, bury it and let's move on to new business.

Okiereddust

2004-05-12 00:10 | User Profile

[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]This triskelion fellow is some type of fraud. A few days ago friedrich braun posted a thread on The Phora about this issue to which triskelion responded.

We have that. Sounded like Trisk's last hurrah.

Well, as it turns out, White Iceland's IP address does in fact trace back to Iceland (to his credit). triskelion's IP address, on the other hand, traces back exclusively to New Mexico, USA. I suspect his IP address is turning up similar results here. In light of all the other inconsistencies turned up by White Iceland, I am quite confident this guy is simply not who he says he is. Through the grapevine I understand this comports with what Tex has found out.

I mentioned this privately to braun yesterday on Yahoo IM before saying anything publically about the matter. triskelion seems to have taken many of you guys for a ride. If this deception were not so elaborate, then I doubt I would have ever said anything about the matter.(my emphasis)This just goes to show that many people on the internet are not who they say they are.[/QUOTE] Yes, we at OD were taken for a ride. However its worth noting how many other people were too. OD after all is not a very well known forum, and has no sponsoring organization. When someone comes to us from better known organizations like Polinco, VNN, where Triskelion wrote regularly, as well as apparently SF. I don't follow the NS forums closely, but I got the impression he was generally well known and accepted in the WN/NS world.

I am of course surprised by how this all came out. But I suspect it has something to do with NS politics. Especially with Tsun, who seems to involved in a feud with the NA.

I don't think Triskelion is a lone wolf. I do think he belongs to the personna of someone wel known by some influential people somewhere in the WN world. His outing seems timed somehow. Maybe no one ever had bothered to check up on him before, but that seems a little doubtful.

What in fact is the state of WN above ground organization? Especially in Europe. It all makes me wonder now. Trisk lets face it was still my closest contact and authority on this. At least he spoke with an air of authority.

Valley Forge

2004-05-12 00:51 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]

Dig a hole, throw this whole affair in it, bury it and let's move on to new business.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you're right. His quality writings aside, if the Milan beating was a complete fabrication (and unless new info comes to light that appears to be a certainty), that lie alone is probably sufficient to establish that Trisk/VO, whoever he is, is a very sick individual with consciously malicious intent.

Okiereddust

2004-05-12 01:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Perhaps you're right. His quality writings aside, if the Milan beating was a complete fabrication (and unless new info comes to light that appears to be a certainty), that lie alone is probably sufficient to establish that Trisk/VO, whoever he is, is a very sick individual with consciously malicious intent.[/QUOTE]Trisk yes, the affair no. I still have to wonder who else knew of Trisk's identity and game. He seemed to have so much staying power, so much known about him. No one could possibly go that long untected in WN land could they?

Or maybe they could, and Trisk is just an odd joke, and the forum world has their collective head in a place that never sees the light of day, and aren't performing due dilegence, myself included. Stranger things have happened.

It certainly shows to all of us I think the weaknesses of the internet, and the need to supplement on-line activities with other work. Apparently there are so few real people active in nationalist forums these days its easy to pull "Trisk's" off. That's what happens when no one ever meets or talks to others personally.

Valley Forge

2004-05-12 01:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Trisk yes, the affair no. I still have to wonder who else knew of Trisk's identity and game. [/QUOTE]

Tex is obviously reluctant to divulge what he knows, but so far he hasn't requested that we avoid speculation on this point.

That said -- and I could be way off base here -- I can't help but wonder whether Alex Linder is somehow mixed up in all this.

Trisk/VO and Linder have the same target audience and essentially the same pool of supporters.

Moreover, they both have impressive rhetorical skills and substantial knowledge of NS ideology.

In addition, Tex wrote that it appears that a poster who has been an influence on the board is involved in this fraud.

So under the circumstances I think the premise of my question is reasonable and fair (and hopefully wrong), because if you rule out the OD regulars and the OD old timers who appear to be beyond reproach, there just aren't that many OD posters that could have hoodwinked the Internet's NS audience for years and also exerted a disproportionate influence on Original Dissent.

Valley Forge

2004-05-12 01:53 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Actually, I can't think of two more dissimilar people who share a common ideology than Alex Linder and Triskelion. The former is puerile, populist, and intentionally provocative. The latter is almost excessively dry, low-key, and academic. What is more, their messages are radically different. True, both dislike Jews and often point out the inadequacies of paleoconservatism, but apart from that Linder seems to be a libertarian while Trisk advocated Guildism and Falangism as an alternative to capitalism and a Constitutional Republic. I wouldn't pin any of the VO affair on Linder without any further evidence in this direction.[/QUOTE]

You're probably right AY. Linder appears to be a true believer, and while I disagree with his style, he seems to be genuinely committed to fighting for the interest of Whites.

I just can't imagine who the influential poster might be that Tex says may be mixed up in all this if you subtract out the regular contributors of influence.

il ragno

2004-05-12 02:09 | User Profile

Sounds crazy to me. But I think this is part of White Iceberg's design.

The "cure" he hath provided us may well do more damage than the "disease" ever did.

Since I was "wrong" about Triskelion, I may as well volunteer to be "wrong" on the 'Berg, so here goes: if all of this had been unearthed by a user-name I was somewhat familiar with - even an opponent like Perun or Okie - while I may have resisted it at first, at least I could accept that the information was being offered for reasons other than sowing discord and distrust....as a heads-up to the rest of us.

When it is offered by a newbie whose entire posting history is taken up with this one topic; who arrives one day spouting Hollywood-Naziisms like "weak whites must die!" and "if VO were for real, he would be our new Fuhrer"; and in whose wake site-traffic on [I]important [/I] topics dwindles, while the commentary on Vo-expose threads is marked by sentiments like "it just goes to show you - trust no one, particularly like-minded individuals who echo your concens"...well, let us rationally compare this to the 'damage' done by Triskelion (very damned little that I can see, and one-tenth that done by people like Bill White or Marc Moran or Erich Gliebe).

If you're disappointed that there is no actual Triskelion, okay - take your time to pout and then get over it. The idea that a corrupt, soft and disorganized people might require, [I]to inspire them to be better than they presently are[/I], a figure so unreproachable that he might have to be invented is hardly a new one. So there [I]is [/I] no great and powerful wizard named Oz behind the curtain - hurray for truth dragged into the light! But what they don't tell you is what happened to the Emerald City after the fake Wizard was exposed. It became just another dying American city complete with its own Holocaust Museum, Planned Parenthood infanticide mill and Martin Luther King Boulevard where gunfire echoes every night.

Translation: don't oversell the importance of this 'discovery'. On the whole, Triskelion was a net-positive for white people. "White Iceland", the jury's out on. (And please don't cite the Nordic/Swedish/Faroese SF moderator as an unimpeachable source. Another foreigner with a pseudonym? What makes his/her bonafides any 'realer'? [I]Do you see yet where this kind of thing inevitably leads[/I]?)

Okiereddust

2004-05-12 02:28 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]If you're disappointed that there is no actual Triskelion, okay - take your time to pout and then get over it. The idea that a corrupt, soft and disorganized people might require a figure so unreproachable -[I]to inspire them to be better than they presently are[/I]- that one might have to be invented is not a new one. So there [I]is [/I] no great and powerful wizard named Oz behind the curtain - hurray for truth dragged into the light! But what they don't tell you is what happened to the Emerald City after the fake Wizard was exposed. It became just another dying American city complete with its own Holocaust Museum, Planned Parenthood infanticide mill and Martin Luther King Boulevard where gunfire echoes every night.

Trisk could be pretencious. But he certainly was well read and knowledgable. And there was a lot to learn from him, even if we all couldn't be Ph.D's on Nazi history.

That said, he had his demerits, which is what we discussed before. That was my only beef with the guy, he could never admit he's wrong. Of course he isn't unique in this regard.

I have a personal opinion on Trisk BTW. I think he was probably a prominent American WN leader, who wished to create a persona where he could discuss intellectual matters, push the envelope you might say.

I'm not sure, but I personally would still welcome Trisk back. Shorn of his pretensions, he still obviously has something to add. I doubt there's unanimity here though.

Translation: don't oversell the importance of this 'discovery'. On the whole, Triskelion was a net-positive for white people. "White Iceland", the jury's out on. (And please don't cite the Nordic/Swedish/Faroese SF moderatpor as an unimpeachable source. Another foreigner with a pseudonym? What makes his/her bonafides any 'realer'? [I]Do you see yet where this kind of thing inevitably leads[/I]?)[/QUOTE]

I already said I did. I think you're being too hard on WI, but clearly everyone has an agenda, and it isn't always obvious right away.

I say though he deserves the same deference Trisk got.

Okiereddust

2004-05-12 02:39 | User Profile

Linder is a good writer, good enough I think to write with much differnt styles depending on the target audience. And remember, tailoring one's message audience to one's audience is a National Socialist propoganda fetish, starting with Hitler. They emphasize firsty, i.a.w. NS's like Hitler, Rockwell, etc., the importance of reaching the common man, and have a deliberately crude style they can use. But that's not the only one for a lot of them I think.

And remember my beef with Triskelion. Which was that although he could deviate on matters of style, on core matters to National Socialists in America, like dicing Pat Buchanan and paleo's he really was rigidly orthodox.

He seemed to be trying to play a fine line, playing to paleo's sentiments and styles, while not opening up himself to accusations he was betraying or getting weaker on NS. That's why I always think you're overemphasizing the imprtance of Trisk's style. Sure he could be glib and articulate, but can't most NS leaders in America, Strom, Pierce, even Linder, do so really if they want to and see the need?

il ragno

2004-05-12 02:40 | User Profile

Believe it or not, for once I wasn't directing my comments to you, Okie. I just saw a whole round of "now who [I]else [/I] was in on this" starting and wanted to interject a note of caution in the hopes of stopping it.

I see I spoke too soon, as now you're hopping on the "it's [B]Linder[/B]!" bandwagon. Now why would someone who has been inordinately successful with his iconoclast-plus persona want to cultivate a second, donnishly boring, mostly-ignored byline? - for laughs? To undercut himself (Trisk was after all a VNN-basher)? Because he's always dreamed of being Faroesian?

Alex has been guilty of placing way too much public focus on his battles with the Stroms and the NA to the point where it a) became counterproductive and b) disastrously aligned him with Bill White. But he is not one to hide behind any name but his own. And he certainly doesn't require a proxy to antagonize the Stroms. Look elsewhere for your Deep Throat, fellas - or take my advice and stop looking altogether.

Bardamu

2004-05-12 02:50 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I say though he deserves the same deference Trisk got.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me but you were quite antagonistic toward the fellow.

il ragno

2004-05-12 06:31 | User Profile

I'm not and have never been a regular visitor to STORMFRONT (no ideological reason - I only have so much time to surf and am not much interested in forums I'm not on) but I finally clicked that link Tex provides. While nosing around, I discovered that White Iceland has 200-odd posts there, so obviously I was wrong thinking he only came into being with this Trisk business. Although Lord knows just being an Internet forum-contributor doesn't put you on the angels' side, he "appears" to be "legit" (jeez, ever since this business started, I'm wearing out my quote key...)

However - with patter like "Weak whites must die!", he'd better have a stop-the-presses scoop on him every time he shows up if he plans to be taken seriously.

Okiereddust

2004-05-12 07:56 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Linder and Trisk differ in their messages, not only their style. You seem to concentrate on the only things that they really had in common - criticism of paleoconservatism as ineffectual, and hardcore racialism (which Linder emphasizes much more than Trisk, I should add).

True, I did. Because these were the things that kept us from working together. And though Trisk did seem more moderate than Linder in his positions, once he took a position he wouldn't budge.

First and most obvious, Trisk often specifically attacked Linder and VNN, as well as the whole "Hollywood Nazi" approach of crude language, racial slurs, etc.

Style, style, as you note

Second, the core of their messages are entirely different. Alex Linder seems to believe that once Jews and coloreds are eliminated, all will automatically fall back into place, we'll return to a Constitutional Republic and usher in a cultural renaissance. Triskelion's main message was that a Constitutional Republic was in itself ineffectual in affecting the sort of institutional changes we need, and that before we have a racially homogeneous society we need to have institutional changes like a Volkisch guild system working and in place. I have never seen a concern for such alternatives to capitalism and republican democracy as a subject of focus at VNN. Triskelion certainly was an eggheaded sorts of Nazi, but he still was a Nazi. This soul of moderation still was so sensitive about criticism of the 3rd Reich that he'd even attack MacDonald as knowing nothing about the 3rd Reich. Also his hard-line approach to Buchanan.

Now I think I know why he was doing these things. He was trying to stay in the NS movement, and to do so he felt a need, to counter his eggheadedness, of making the obligatory Buchanan bashing, or distance himself from Trotsky like (in the sense of being traitors to their original movements, as Strasser.

Once again, if VO is a true AP with no genuine interest in his agenda, what on earth did he hope to accomplish by posting dry accounts of Primo de Rivera's ideas? About the only thing I'm 100% sure is genuine about VO is that he sincerely believes in his ideology, even if his autobiography is fictionalized. And about the only thing he has in common with Linder is that both of them disagree with you, albeit for completely different reasons (for that matter, I'm not even convinced that Trisk and Tsun are the same person. Comrades in arms and part of the same outfit perhaps, but again nothing pins them as the same entity).[/QUOTE] He certainly seems like an odd AP, I agree.

Rightnow all know is what he was not. What he was/is I am mow utterly at a loss regarding his manner of operation.

Okiereddust

2004-05-12 08:02 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]..... While nosing around, I discovered that White Iceland has 200-odd posts there, so obviously I was wrong thinking he only came into being with this Trisk business. Although Lord knows just being an Internet forum-contributor doesn't put you on the angels' side, he "appears" to be "legit" (jeez, ever since this business started, I'm wearing out my quote key...)

However - with patter like "Weak whites must die!", he'd better have a stop-the-presses scoop on him every time he shows up if he plans to be taken seriously.[/QUOTE] Would be intersting to study him more and see what his position vis a visTrisk was (or for that matter eggheaded people llike Trisk in general, including before his discoveries about him.

We all know a lot of Stormfronters didn't think much of Polinco'ers not more highly than of us in fact.

Ruffin

2004-05-12 18:46 | User Profile

Interesting idea, AY. Of course, since it's probably impossible to sort out all of the possible alliances and methods employed, Covington could very well be White Iceland too. Who knows? Bottom line, another mental note of the suggestions is lodged and the whole thing remains unimportant, at least until one of the characters becomes relevant to our survival.

Storing the whole thing in the salt closet is my preference.

Smedley Butler

2004-05-12 21:11 | User Profile

With the cost of living and EXPENSIVE housing in the N.W. how does an un-employed internet disrupter do it? Where is the money coming from, for some one that supposed to be on the lamb from a N.C. judgement too?

Valley Forge

2004-05-12 22:39 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Has anybody considered the possibility that Harold Covington is behind this whole VO affair? Covington has been notorious (at least if you listen to his enemies, so this should be taken with a grain of salt) for using false internet masks, by which I don't mean aliases like everybody here but actual fake identities, with invented "outside world" biographies and the like. The Piercites (with whom he has long had a feud) have claimed that Covington once posed as a National Socialist named "Luther Marsh" (or something like that) with all sorts of fake real-world accomplishments and credentials (once again, I can't verify this from any "neutral" source, so don't take it as anything more than internet hearsay on my part).

Covington spent part of his life living in Ireland and the Isle of Man, and (I think) elsewhere in Europe, so he is quite well-acquainted with European racialists and undoubtedly has contacts over there (I believe that Covington introduced the world to the writings of Danish National Socialist Riis-Knudsen before the latter left the movement), and has now apparently set up shop somewhere in the southwest (Texas and New Mexico have been mentioned, so why not Arizona)?

In his writings, Covington is equally capable of sounding learned and scholarly on the one hand (he has an excellent knowledge of European history, among other things), as well as playing the part of agent provocateur. I haven't followed his recent goings-on very closely, but I'd sooner believe that "Vibeke Ostergaard=Harold Covington" than Linder or any other name that's been thrown around on this thread.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute.

I'd agree Covington is more plausible than Linder if it weren't for one thing.

Tex strongly implied that a well known OD participant who has exerted influence on the board is somehow mixed up in this VO fraud.

Valley Forge

2004-05-12 22:47 | User Profile

Texas Dissident:

vb has full ip searches by number and member, plus cross-searching.

This is amazing!! and all of you -- make sure you really, really know who you're talking to before you talk!

Texas Dissident again:

No, nothing to do with TBF. Pretty sure about that, but after this I think nothing would surprise me to be truthful. I myself kind of feel like a victim of one of those money scams now, because I have had some outside contact with one of the personalities and I can't believe I didn't see it beforehand.

Let me say that there has been no crime committed here, so take it all in perspective. Just some credibility issues really, but identities that have certainly affected this board over the last few years.

The list of identities that have affected this board is pretty short.

And so far as I know Covington isn't on it.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-12 23:57 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Valley Forge]The list of identities that have affected this board is pretty short. And so far as I know Covington isn't on it.[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify VF, when I say 'identities' I am referring to board handles or names. Ultimately, I don't see how we could ever know the 'real' person(s) behind it.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-13 00:07 | User Profile

Perhaps madrussian or any other savvy web person could explain what kind of circumstances would cause two different members to have the exact same ip address along the lines of "dialup.ip-xx.xxx.xx.xx.name1.name2.net" . Just for general references, what all possibilities could make that happen?

Ruffin

2004-05-13 00:18 | User Profile

Hey, this is like playing CLUE with my children. Even at my age, I still want to know who did it.

Not asking for any inside info or anything, you understand.

Texas Dissident

2004-05-13 00:19 | User Profile

Let me add before this goes any further, that I have had some correspondence with the person in question who adamantly denies any association. Therefore I don't see any need in further pursuing the matter.

I know that's kind of anti-climactic, but I don't want to be party to any kind of exposure of anyone's private details here. The only circumstance that would be an exception would be if someone were launching DOS attacks on the board or something like that. That is not the case here, so I say let's just get back to the business at hand.

il ragno

2004-05-13 02:14 | User Profile

I might be wrong but I don't think IP numbers are definitive identifiers of individuals the way a phone number would be. It's more like a call center where local users get routed onto the Net through, no? Then again the likelihood that any two ODers would share the same IP# seems remote. We're scattered all over the map, and there aren't that many of us where multiple users going through a single IP would be a common occurance.

Okiereddust

2004-05-14 15:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]I might be wrong but I don't think IP numbers are definitive identifiers of individuals the way a phone number would be. It's more like a call center where local users get routed onto the Net through, no? Then again the likelihood that any two ODers would share the same IP# seems remote. We're scattered all over the map, and there aren't that many of us where multiple users going through a single IP would be a common occurance.[/QUOTE]I thinkthe IP if exactly identified seems to be a pretty definite identifier. I remember reading I think that in most cases the IP narrows you down to a single computer using a single connection. I remember reading this because they were talking about it in the context of where the IP doesn't identify a single computer. This is only when the computers are on some sort of hub or network, such as when the computer is coming from a business.

So I think it is pretty safe to say that it is almost impossible for different users, not working in a close situation with one another, to have the same IP address.

Getting into IP addresses, I should note that it is possible for someone besides the forum administrator to track IP's. Someone at Liberty Forum did so with some sort of icon inserted in his posts. Click on it and it gave your IP.

That is how I think Daisy11 was identified. This "individual" had four IP's - originating from New York, Los Angeles, Paris, and Tel Aviv.

Okiereddust

2004-05-14 15:40 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Wait a minute.

I'd agree Covington is more plausible than Linder if it weren't for one thing.

Tex strongly implied that a well known OD participant who has exerted influence on the board is somehow mixed up in this VO fraud.

Now, maybe I misconstrued what Tex wrote (I'll have to scroll back up and look), but it seems to me that any speculations we offer need to take that factor into consideration. And by that standard Convington doesn't seem to fit the bill unless he's behind multiple identities (which is a possibility).[/QUOTE]Actually it's seems established that Trisk is behind multiple identities, so this wouldn't count Harold Covington out. Not that it it names him.

For that matter, I wouldn't completely count Linder out, or a number of other people for that matter. It really is not that hard to create multiple identities when only written comunications are taken into account. It's ben done lots of times in history. But someone like a Covington certainly sounds a lot more likely to me. We at a minimum with Trisk are involved in both a unique modus operendi and a fairly uncommon, if not unique, philosophy. A well read person, sort of like Yockey, at least if all his knowledge is true (I think he might exagerate a bit).

What I think would be a way to start identifying who was realy behind the source of this would be to track who helped spread the Triskelion story. Remember Triskelion wrote for VNN firstly, one would think they could think of a way to check on him. He also seemed pretty closely identified with the Polinco forum, to the point he took it over. This is where the reports of the Trisk attacks first surfaced. The Polinco forum is caput now of course, but we still know the people behind it - Jennifer et. al..

Remembering our dealings with Polinco from the old Sam Francis days it is quite clear from the LGWH affair their pushy nature and desire to dominate and radicalize the paleocon movement and move it over to doctrinaire WN, shoving aside those who stood in the way. So from this standpoint Trisk doesn't seem out of character at all, certainly nothing fly by night or really unique about it at all. Whoever Trisk really was, his philosophy fit in a certain way at least a certain part of the WN movement. I think study of it and its tactics needs to be continued, and I hope it isn't forgotten or trivialized.

"Trisk", whatever his personal failings, intellectually and organizationally was one of the most gravituis personalitiesto hit this forum. We need to learn from his example (and there still is a great deal to learn) and sort out what it all means before we ever start thinking of trying to close the book on it.

Fernando Wood

2004-05-14 23:04 | User Profile

Whoever Triskelion/V.O. is, I think he should collect the articles he has posted at various websites and have them published by someone like iUniverse. Call the book "Essays in Folkish Nationalism" or some such title. Hey, I'd buy it.

friedrich braun

2004-05-15 00:04 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Fernando Wood]Whoever Triskelion/V.O. is, I think he should collect the articles he has posted at various websites and have them published by someone like iUniverse. Call the book "Essays in Folkish Nationalism" or some such title. Hey, I'd buy it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I think that I would also buy it.

The entire thing is very unfortunate -- I liked Triskelion (whoever he is).

Valley Forge

2004-05-15 00:27 | User Profile

Before he publishes anything, Triskelion needs an editor.

Okiereddust

2004-05-15 14:18 | User Profile

[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Yes, I think that I would also buy it.

The entire thing is very unfortunate -- I liked Triskelion (whoever he is).[/QUOTE]I liked V.O. - as Trisk. I always got the impression though is graciousness was partly feigned. As Bjarni I think we got to see something more of the real V.O.

Okiereddust

2004-05-17 23:16 | User Profile

Everybody makes mistakes from time to time. I'll admit, although I had disagreements with Trisk, and thought he wasn't right about things, I never really questioned the man's authenticity myself.

Yet we forget, and scientists are as prone to this as anyone else. The real proof of something is positive verification, not just theorizing. We all owe debts to people who play a hunch, back it up with independent research, and when they've got a case, stick with their instincts and ask persistent and tough questions, even when it seems annoying.

So he fooled us. The question is - why? Another thing science teaches is is until you have objective and verifiable proof to the contrary, you can't omit possibilities, eveven if they seem farfetched.

Pray tell, "White Iceland," why would a mole or agent provocateur have such a bizarre modus operandi? Most internet AP's post over the top material with calls for assassination, advocacy of terrorism, and, as il ragno notes, do what they can to collect the real names, addresses, etc. of board members. VO did none of this - he reposted obscure articles by Spanish Falangists and Italian guildists. Sure, that really had the rabble riled up, and it sure helped gather information about the rest of us.

Two hunches, one proved wrong, the other right. And with real world verification, we can't just continue theorizing and disagreeing. One or the other is proved right. Real progress is made for the substantial benefit of the nationalist cause, perhaps one of the first times on this forum.

But what are we to make, after the verification of "Vibeke's" bogusness, White Iceland's even more bizarre assertion that Trisk could be a mole or AP. Again, it doesn't seem as far-fetched to me as it sounds, and certainly can't be dismissed.

The stereotype AP is as AntiYuppie suggests. Yet that need not be the only type of AP out there. After all, fundamentally all AP work is is to manipulate people into behavior that is stupid, because it is harmful to the cause.

Sure > over the top material with calls for assassination, advocacy of terrorism, and, as il ragno notes, do what they can to collect the real names, addresses, etc. of board members. is one form of stupid behavior people can be goaded to. But is it the only one? Even for government agents? Especially on the internet? Definitely not.

Could another form of stupid behavior be to divert people from useful real world activity by constantly dogging and berating those real world leaders of our cause that do exist (Taylor, Francis, Buchanan, and Duke are a spectrum that come to mind), and as a substitute divert them to discussions of an imaginary WN nirvana and to endless discussions of theory , obscure pamphlets, and how many WN angels can stand on the head of a pin? It doesn't sound all that unreasonable to me.

We've been visited with a real trickster, that's for sure. Who and what he was working for and what agenda he was serving was anybody's guess at this point, until another enterprising WI comes along. But until then I think its good to consider the potential damage he, and perhaps other as yet unexposed tricksters, might have caused/still be causing, and take appropriate action.

il ragno

2004-05-18 21:38 | User Profile

[QUOTE]So he fooled us. The question is - why? We've been visited with a real trickster, that's for sure. Who and what he was working for and what agenda he was serving was anybody's guess at this point....[/QUOTE]

Oy, you're still obsessed with this I see. Look, the Faroese Pimpernel was some fringe WN figure who adopted a cape and cowl like Batman and got carried away with his own concocted backstory. Apart from that his 'ulterior motives' were the same as half a hundred far right sages and would-be sages, ie, possibly-silly but wholly-earnest calls of "Follow ME to victory!".

The end. I see no evil intent, no harm done. Maybe there's some OD lurker out there who, inspired by a Trisk lecture, is presently building a NS funnycar or researching Falangist thought or putting together private funding for low-cost whites-only housing. I fail to see the mortal peril in this. These are all [I]good [/I] things, and more power to the phony bastard for putting it out there for people to follow up on.

And, Okie, quit it with this "no, really, I liked Trisk" nonsense. Just because you know "Trisk" is never gonna reappear to call you a liar doesn't mean the rest of us weren't witnesses to your incessant baiting and needling of him back when he was 'real'. This Lady MacBeth act of yours is highly unconvincing.

Okiereddust

2004-05-19 00:26 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]Oy, you're still obsessed with this I see. Look, the Faroese Pimpernel was some fringe WN figure who adopted a cape and cowl like Batman and got carried away with his own concocted backstory. Apart from that his 'ulterior motives' were the same as half a hundred far right sages and would-be sages, ie, possibly-silly but wholly-earnest calls of "Follow ME to victory!".

Sheesh, you sound like those black leaders who defended Tawana Bradley fabrications and Al Sharpton's defense of them "even if what she was saying was technically a lie, in a broader political metaphorical sense it is true - all blacks metaphorically have been raped by whites"

Yes, wat he was saying sounded nice. But his arguments in support of it were bullshit. Doesn't bullshit matter to - even you?

And, Okie, quit it with this "no, really, I liked Trisk" nonsense. Just because you know "Trisk" is never gonna reappear to call you a liar doesn't mean the rest of us weren't witnesses to your incessant baiting and needling of him back when he was 'real'. This Lady MacBeth act of yours is highly unconvincing.[/QUOTE]

As unconvincing is your "I started to see through the guy" line. He had you hook line and sinker.

[quote=il ragno]Trisk, I wish you nothing but success in your political (and real) life and ditto for your sister. I've noticed for some time you spinning your wheels composing long and detailed responses to Okie which I could've told you was a waste of time and bandwidth, akin to firing a cannon at a gnat. Okie's particular gimmick is to feign engaging in a dialogue - he never loses his temper or adopts a hostile tone, he simply tricks people into making detailed, impassioned (yet logical) arguments in good faith - and then making sure to include in his response ludicrous and inappropriate comments re Alex Linder, brownshirts, Nazis, etc. The thing to do is to deride and dismiss him from the outset of your comments and then be done with him. Attempting to reason with Okie is like arguing with a toy drinking bird who responds to every approach by bobbing forward and dipping his wooden beak into the same glass of water ad infinitum.

Of course I've had my set-to's with you as well but I can at least respect the fact that you walk it like you talk it.

[url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showpost.php?p=65780&postcount=4]Triskelion - Leaving OD[/url]

Poor old innocent, good hearted Trisk - the guy that can not just talk the talk but can walk the walk - tricked into futile arguments with that devious conniver Okie. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

il ragno

2004-05-19 00:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE]As unconvincing is your "I started to see through the guy" line. He had you hook line and sinker.[/QUOTE]

Yes of course he 'fooled' me! Nothing he said or did prior to The Unmasking set off alarms in any way. He claimed he wrote a book. He claimed he was some kind of a city manager or alderman. He claimed to run a small business. If you find these modest claims so bizarre and exotic that they involuntarily kick start your suspicions then you're probably still waiting for talkies to arrive. And I say again that your unbridled glee at this makes your insistence that you really and truly liked the guy to be full of what makes the grass grow tall. The fact that you REVIVED this thread after no one but you had posted to it in three days says it all. "What have we learned from all this?" [I]Please[/I]. We learned that you need a hobby.

Hey, and you made my 'farewell post' to him part of your user-signature too. How I envy you your full and rewarding life.

Okiereddust

2004-05-19 00:50 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]Yes of course he 'fooled' me! Nothing he said or did prior to The Unmasking set off alarms in any way. He claimed he wrote a book. He claimed he was some kind of a city manager or alderman. He claimed to run a small business.

True, but I didn't buy the philosophy he was using those achievements to sell. You did, and amazingly still do

Hey, and you made my 'farewell post' to him part of your user-signature too. I really didn't - but hey, that's not a bad idea! :lol:> How I envy you your full and rewarding life.[/QUOTE]Motor cars though won't be a part of it. Hope your wonderful Trisk-inspired projects turn out well. :lol: