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Thread ID: 13553 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2004-05-05
2004-05-05 16:57 | User Profile
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[url]http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/05/05/MNGUL6FVHG1.DTL[/url]
**Austrians' zeal for native son Schwarzenegger fades Outrage at support for death penalty, remark on Holocaust **
Salzburg, Austria -- The man once proudly referred to as "our Arnie" has virtually become persona non grata in his own country after a wave of nationwide euphoria over native son Arnold Schwarzenegger's election as governor of California.
The mood change was largely prompted by Schwarzenegger's refusal in February to pardon a convicted murderer on death row and, to some extent, by his unwillingness to invite an official Austrian delegation to his inauguration last November. For most Austrians, the delegation's presence would have symbolized Schwarzenegger's dual citizenship and his ties to his native land.
But for many Austrians, the last straw was the governor's criticism in Israel Sunday of Austria's Nazi past, including a statement that attempted to atone for World War II-era atrocities committed against Jews by Austrians, during the dedication of a planned museum of tolerance in Jerusalem.
"I was born in Austria, which is a beautiful country ... but a place where intolerance and ignorance led to terrible atrocities," Schwarzenegger told a gathering of Israel's top politicians and American Jewish leaders who financed and planned the museum. "Because of that, I want to do whatever I can to promote tolerance around the world."
Schwarzenegger, whose father was a member of the Austrian Nazi Party, has always sought to distance himself from that part of his history. He was invited to Israel by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a human rights group based in Los Angeles, to which he has contributed $1 million.
His comments about the Holocaust on Sunday were largely ignored by the Austrian media, including the state television and radio networks, but those who did get wind of his statements were typically irate.
"By his actions and statements, Schwarzenegger has proven that he is no longer an Austrian," said Werner Schwaerzler, a salesman in his 30s. "He is just another American and one who favors the death penalty at that."
Schwarzenegger's popularity here began falling soon after he refused to stop the execution of convicted murderer Kevin Cooper, who killed four people in Southern California in 1983. A federal appeals court, however, halted the execution four hours before Cooper was scheduled to die.
From Andorra and Austria to Ukraine and the United Kingdom, the 36 members of the European Council agreed in 2002 to a total abolition of the death penalty regardless of circumstances. The death penalty is so unpopular on the continent that few politicians ever make it a campaign issue.
As a result of his stance in the Cooper case, the City Council in the governor's hometown of Graz considered renaming the Schwarzenegger Soccer Stadium and stripping him of the key to the city that he had been awarded in 2001. After a turbulent session, the council sent a formal petition to Sacramento, demanding that Schwarzenegger stay the executions of all prisoners on death row and push for an initiative to end the death penalty in California.
The controversy even spilled into Austria's presidential election last month.
Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the conservative People's Party candidate, said she was "greatly disappointed" by Schwarzenegger's position on the death penalty while her opponent, Social Democrat Heinz Fischer, who eventually won the election, sent Schwarzenegger a strongly worded letter of protest.
The waning affections for Austria's national hero has been reflected by the national media, which had previously gushed over "our Arnie."
Gone are the banner headlines by the mass circulation Vienna Kronenzeitung tabloid of "Arnie sets his sights on the White House" and stories about whether Congress will change the constitution to allow foreign- born Americans to become president. In a recent article, the paper not only noted Schwarzenegger's approval of the death penalty but dubbed him with a label that would have been unthinkable just a few months ago -- "ex-Austrian. "
Gone also are the kudos from politicians, ranging from the outgoing President Thomas Klestil to former Vice Chancellor Herbert Haupt of the far right Freedom Party, who regularly boasted of their close ties and lasting friendships with Schwarzenegger.
Klestil, who once thanked Schwarzenegger in a highly public message for "strengthening positive interest in our country by Americans," has been reluctant to come to his defense over the decision not to stay Cooper's execution. Likewise for tourist promoters, political scientists and pollsters, who only a few months ago collectively called Schwarzenegger's election victory an immense boost for Austria's prestige.
Meanwhile, the media in neighboring Germany is looking on with apparent glee.
"Schwarzenegger's rise and sudden fall from favor once more focuses on (Austria's) determination to instantly claim as one of their own anyone who earns honors and decorations abroad," wrote political columnist Reinhard Olp in the respected daily Frankfurt Allgemeine Zeitung. "But there is no rule without an exception. Adolf Hitler, the man from Braunau, Austria, was, of course, German."
. [center]Arnold Schwarzenegger in...
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California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger stands next to the Eternal Flame in the Hall of Remembrance in the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem on Sunday as he pays his respects to the six million Jews exterminated by the Nazis during World War II.
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[size=6]OY VEY.... ZE ZIX MILLION!!!
Schwarzenegger later laid a wreath at the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial during a ceremony at which he also rekindled the memorial's symbolic eternal flame. [size=4]Wearing a yarmulke,[/size] he bowed his head and stood in silence for several minutes.
The memorial is a vault-like chamber with the ashes of Holocaust victims buried beneath its marble floor.
But if the day's focus was on tolerance and the Holocaust, it was also, for Israelis, equally a celebration of all things Schwarzenegger. California's governor was cheered at every stop along the way, whether by office workers in government buildings or the crowd at the museum ceremony.
**Arnie...
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2004-05-05 17:58 | User Profile
Wearing a yarmulke and paying respects. He must have been dying inside at the moment that camera flash went off. That is, unless he only cares for access to (their) power. In which case it must have felt like he passed a tough exam. Does anyone really know this guy?
This is especially significant because it skylines a tactic, as 'tribe' applies their litmus tests to ascending non-'tribe' leaders. Whether through blackmail or through purchase, compromise equals control. This is a great teaching point, an object lesson. Anything you do, or can be framed as having done, will be documented and used against you once you reach the gauntlet.
Schwarzenegger must have been a tasty sale for them. They'll be watching him and controlling his environs, his handlers. I wonder what the benevolent Joe Weider has on him?
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2004-05-05 18:18 | User Profile
Of course, Arnie will not visit the eastern provinces of Germany, or the Ukraine, to give witness to those dead at the hands of Communists. Nor have I heard of him going to W. Europe for V-E day to give tribute to the gentiles who died at the hands of the Nazi's.
Why is the Governor of California developing a 'foreign policy,' and why is focused exclusively on Israel? This is sickening.
2004-05-05 21:45 | User Profile
I had no idea Europe was so cold to the death penalty as opposed to here in the States. Then again, I am oblivious to everyday psychopaths in Europe as opposed to the ones in America.
2004-05-06 03:46 | User Profile
Europeans may not really be so strongly opposed to the death penalty:
[url]http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pd080800f.html[/url]
[P]oll after poll shows that ordinary European citizens favor it almost as much as American voters. In Britain, opinion polls have shown that between two-thirds and three-quarters of the population favors the death penalty -- about the same as in the U.S. In Italy -- which has led the international fight against capital punishment for much of the last decade -- roughly one-half the population wants it reinstated. In France, clear majorities continued to back the death penalty long after it was abolished in 1981 -- and only last year did a poll finally show that less than 50 percent wanted it reinstated. Europe aside, even 60 to 70 percent of Canadians want to bring back the death penalty -- which was formally abolished in the mid-1970s. So why aren't politicians responding to public opinion? In countries like Britain and France, elite opinion is largely united on the immorality of capital punishment -- and due to their parliamentary form of government, public support cannot easily translate into legislative action. In parliamentary systems, people tend to vote for parties rather than individuals. And party committees choose which candidates stand for election. Thus candidates who support contrary views on capital punishment are less likely to be chosen to stand for election. Source: Joshua Micah Marshall (American Prospect), "Death in Venice," New Republic, July 31, 2000.
2004-05-06 17:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]I had no idea Europe was so cold to the death penalty as opposed to here in the States. Then again, I am oblivious to everyday psychopaths in Europe as opposed to the ones in America.[/QUOTE] The elites in Europe are absolutely 100% against the death penalty. There have been repeated attempts to revoke the United States' observer status in the Council of Europe because the US has the death penalty. I have taken part in a couple economic/political programs in Europe, and of the students I met (all poli. sci. or international law types who were waiting in the wings to become EU or governmental bureaucrats), not a single one thought that you could justify capital punishment under any circumstances whatsoever.
2004-05-06 18:48 | User Profile
Executing a man or woman 21 years after the fact is stupid. You wanna see crime plummet?? If one's found guilty of Capital One, take 'em downtown the day after sentencing and execute them in the public square. Any other way than that is inhumane, for criminal and victim's family alike.
Anyway the justice system in the united states is so completely corrupted that having death penalty laws at a judge's disposal is terribly frightening, but mostly useless anyway. Lawyers suck too. There's very little real justice left here. It's appalling.
2004-05-06 19:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Anyway the justice system in the united states is so completely corrupted that having death penalty laws at a judge's disposal is terribly frightening, but mostly useless anyway. Lawyers suck too. There's very little real justice left here. It's appalling.[/QUOTE] Xmetalhead, I agree with this statement completely. As a conservative, I believe that a society or tribe has the right to execute people who have committed heinous crimes. However, I do not AT ALL trust the current system to make sure the accused get a fair hearing, and I do not AT ALL trust the current regime to administer the sentence.
2004-05-06 19:43 | User Profile
He did say that he wanted to be president and also that he wated to change the law in order for foreigners to be able to do it,,,,,,,,,,,,
Last year he said that he was learning Hebrew, that's a must for any president to be,,,,,,,,,,
I wonder if the bennie cap that he was using was his or someone loan it to him,,,,,,,,,
2004-05-06 19:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Xmetalhead, I agree with this statement completely. As a conservative, I believe that a society or tribe has the right to execute people who have committed heinous crimes. However, I do not AT ALL trust the current system to make sure the accused get a fair hearing, and I do not AT ALL trust the current regime to administer the sentence.[/QUOTE]
Quantrill, there's no fairness in the justice system. I remember the nigs getting upset that the US was executing too many of their "bruthers" and demanded more White meat be served up in the quest for [B]ekwality.[/B] That tells you right there that the death penalty must meet a specific quota, therefore, to me, the whole process of justice becomes completely arbitrary, with final decisions on life and death left to jewish judges. These are bad times my friends, bad times.
2004-05-06 19:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Executing a man or woman 21 years after the fact is stupid... Anyway the justice system in the united states is so completely corrupted that having death penalty laws at a judge's disposal is terribly frightening, but mostly useless anyway. Lawyers suck too. There's very little real justice left here. It's appalling.[/QUOTE] You have nailed that one; long ago, our ZOG society has deservedly lost the moral authority to execute anything. Including a war.
Even though our architects planned our nation on social justice, social justice does not exist here at all. We'll have to establish it again. How and when? It keeps me from sleeping.
2004-05-06 20:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE]As a conservative, I believe that a society or tribe has the right to execute people who have committed heinous crimes. However, I do not AT ALL trust the current system to make sure the accused get a fair hearing, and I do not AT ALL trust the current regime to administer the sentence.[/QUOTE]
This is Joe Sobran's position exactly, and the reason he's against the death penalty.
[QUOTE]Even though our architects planned our nation on social justice, social justice does not exist here at all. We'll have to establish it again. How and when? It keeps me from sleeping.[/QUOTE]
This will doubtless alarm and offend some, but I have yet to find any system other than one of race-based national socialism which can effectively put into place a moral and just system of criminal punishment. (This doesn't mean we all wear swastikas and practice goose-stepping, so don't bother composing your standard reply, Okie.)
A 'jury of my peers' is anything [I]but [/I] a twelve-man UN Rainbow Coalition whose only cultural commonality is their uniform (and, by now, lifelong) indoctrination to view my white skin as a badge of my unearned privilege and [I]their [/I] oppression .
2004-05-06 20:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]I had no idea Europe was so cold to the death penalty as opposed to here in the States...[/QUOTE][size=3][font=Times New Roman]<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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[font=Times New Roman][size=3]Europeans that take a historical perspective understand how state euthanasia sooner or later becomes the tool of the tyrant. Used to terrorize dissidents and eliminate opposition. [/size][/font]
[font=Times New Roman][size=3]For a convicted criminal who really cannot ever be in society, the odious burden of keeping them a public ward forever is still preferable to the loss of moral authority. Which is what has happened here.[/size][/font]
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[font=Times New Roman][size=3]The question being suppressed is ââ¬ÅWhy do we even need to consider it?ââ¬Â For a healthy, non-ZOG society the population of ââ¬Ëlifersââ¬â¢ would be tiny and sustainable. [/size][/font]
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[font=Times New Roman][size=3]Don't read me as necessarily against using killing as a means to an end. Done judicially, it does the job perfectly. It's just that there's a paradox and an enormous societal cost that must be counted.[/size][/font]
[QUOTE] ... Then again, I am oblivious to everyday psychopaths in Europe as opposed to the ones in America.[/QUOTE][font=Times New Roman][size=3]By the way, they do have some excess psychos in Europe. After the fall of the old USSR, it got real expensive having prison populations and many were just released. Ten years ago, you'd see these hard-core ex-cons wandering around Eastern Europe. Wild-eyed street guys with ID tattoos on their foreheads. Heroin and alcohol addicts. Picture Manson's photos and you'll get the idea. The Polish and Czech's despise them. Called them the Russian crime-wave. Imagine what our prisons are full of?[/size][/font]