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2004-05-04 13:29 | User Profile
*[font=Arial][size=2]This was just on Vdare this morning. Good essay, but especially noteworthy because of this --[/size][/font]*
"[font=Arial][color=Black]that the basic and perhaps mortal disease of the white West is that it has ceased to be able to protect itself from its cultural, [url="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/prophet_loss.htm"] religious[/url] and racial enemies, because it has washed its own brains with the lie that such enemies don't even exist."[/color][/font] Not many columnists will talk about the "white West" and "racial enemies." Old Sammy has been pretty frank the last couple of months, I think. :)
[font=Verdana][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][color=#990000] Can Jihads be Assimilated?[/color][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]By [url="http://vdare.com/francis/index.htm"]Sam Francis[/url][/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]If Islamic terrorism has contributed anything at all to Western civilization, it may actually have helped preserve it. Nothing has made Europeans wake up to what they have allowed [url="http://www.vdare.com/misc/browne_britain.htm"] mass immigration[/url] to do to them than the jihad many Muslims are licking their whiskers to wage against the new countries to which they have invited themselves. Last week the New York Times in a front page story offered the details.[ * [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html?ex=1083556800&en=7331f2db1057d34b&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE"] British Militants Openly Support Bin Laden and the Rule of Islam[/url], New York Times*, By Patrick E. Tyler And Don Van Natta Jr., April 25, 2004][/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]What the Times calls "a small group of [url="http://olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/UKRaceRiots.htm"] young Britons[/url] whose parents emigrated from Pakistan after World War II" have come to prefer [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/immigration_terror.htm"] Osama bin Laden[/url] to Tony Blair. In fact, the Times reports, "they say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside No. 10 Downing Street" and they "swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the [url="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34223"] 'Magnificent 19'[/url] and regard the [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/madrid.htm"] Madrid[/url] train bombings as a [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8966351%5E7583,00.html"] clever way[/url] to drive a wedge into Europe."[/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]This is the Europe of the future, not the one [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03629a.htm"] Charles Martel[/url] fought to save from Moslem armies in the eighth century but the Europe that the [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/terrorist_haven.htm"] European chapter[/url] of the Open Borders Lobby has helped create, with its suicidal libertarianism and bottomless appetite for [url="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/usa_today.htm"] cheap labor.[/url] Today, it turns out, the cheap labor carries a price that even libertarians might find a bit stiff.[/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]The "small group of [url="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/name_of_briton.htm"] young Britons[/url]" may not be so small, though what the Times also calls "mainstream Muslims" are upset at them and similar movements. Nevertheless, similar movements are also on the march. [/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]The spiritual leader of the movement, a gentleman known as Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad, has a simple message to impart to his followers, and he imparts it regularly: "If Europe fails to heed Mr. bin Laden's offer of a truceââ¬âprovided that all foreign troops are withdrawn from Iraq in three monthsââ¬âMuslims will no longer be restrained from [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/war_starts.htm"] attacking[/url] the Western countries that play host to them, the sheik said." "All Muslims of the West will be obliged" to "become his sword." So much for [url="http://www.vdare.com/misc/izumi_assimilation.htm"] assimilation[/url].[/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]Nor is the sheik alone. One Muslim authority in Hamburg told the Times, ""My impression is that Muslims have become more and more angry against the United States." No doubt, but it's [url="http://www.vdare.com/misc/browne_article.htm"] Great Britain[/url] and [url="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/17/france.threats/"] Europe[/url] that seem to be on the receiving end just now.[/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]"Some Muslim recruits are going to Iraq, counterterrorism officials in Europe say, but more are remaining home, possibly joining cells that could help with terror logistics," and in March, British police busted nine "Pakistani-Britons" for [url="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/30/britain.terror/"] trying to build a terrorist bomb.[/url][/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]Well, no doubt the West can handle it. Not only will the Muslims eventually assimilate and start their own [url="http://www.vdare.com/misc/miano_terrorist.htm"] computer companies[/url], but the British and American mega-state will simply crush anybody who steps out of line. That, of course, is possible, but why is it necessary to create a leviathan able to crush people who don't belong here anyway? Why not just [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/why_not_deport.htm"] kick them out[/url] and forbid others to come at all?[/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]In any case, thanks again to the suicidal habits of the Western mind these days, crushing terrorists may not be so simple anymore. "The authorities say that laws to protect religious expression and civil liberties have the result of limiting what they can do to stop hateful speech." Actually, the authorities have had little trouble stopping what they claim is ** [url="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/scenes_from_britain.htm"] "hateful speech"[/url] **when it's foes of immigration and multiculturalism that are speaking it. When it's [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/euroislam.htm"] real hate[/url], the open advocacy of murder and terrorism that [url="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1083450009066&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724"] gushes[/url] out of the mosques, there's little the authorities can do. [/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]The "authorities," the * Times reports, are left mainly with efforts to seek deportation, "a lengthy and uncertain process subject to legal appeals, when the suspect can keep [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/01/08/nbutt08.xml"] inciting attacks."[/url] Mostly what the ** "authorities" do is "resort to less effective means, such as mouse-trapping Islamic radicals with immigration violations in hopes of making a deportation case stick. 'In many countries, the laws are liberal and it's not easy,' an official said."*[/font]
[font=Verdana] [/font] [font=Verdana]There's no reason the Times account should surprise those who have followed the idiocies of mass immigration and multiculturalism for the last several years, nor should the [url="http://www.vdare.com/francis/surrender_2.htm"] paralysis[/url] the West has inflicted on itself. What the story confirmsââ¬âand maybe what it will teach those who have never learned itââ¬âis what such critics have long known: that the basic and perhaps mortal disease of the white West is that it has ceased to be able to protect itself from its cultural, [url="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/prophet_loss.htm"] religious[/url] and racial enemies, because it has washed its own brains with the lie that such enemies don't even exist.[/font]
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2004-05-17 20:58 | User Profile
...that after this war Japanese would be spoken only in hell. I really hope, that it is fate of arabic language.
Deporting or even annihilating muslim immigrants form Europe or America isn't really military or technological problem. It is political. But every terrorist action brings that day closer, if they make more strikes in America and preferably here in Europe perhaps people will awake and find that terrorism isn't problem, Islam is. Perhaps they'll draw logical conclusions from it and begin real fight against Islam with all western military and economic might, with no rules.
2004-05-18 00:17 | User Profile
You call the Islamic, Moslems, Arabs etc etc "our enemies", why are they "our enemies"?,,,,,,,,,, They are now our enemies because or our support for the Zionist State of Israel.
You guys just don't get it, do you? ,,,,,, our real enemies are the Jews and no one else, they have been persecuted and killed for over 2,000 years not for being Jews but for the way that they act as Jews.
At this time they are using the USA to fight their wars because they know that if they start a war then all the Arabs country's will unite against them and then the Zionist would have no choice but to use nuclear weapons in order to defend themselves.
I said it before and I say it again, is better for 20 millions to die now than for 200 millions to die later.
The same as in the Napolionic wars the Jews will march, very bravely, right behind the US Army in order to set up businesses,,,,,,AS THEY ARE DOING NOW IN IRAQ.
2004-05-18 00:42 | User Profile
...and texts from various fanatics. Muslims havbe been mortal enemy of west from beginning. Last time when they ha d power to confront with military was about at 1700. But they aren't changed. They wan't all muslim world and they really hate west. Not only because support of Israel, which really isn't issue in Europe, here Israel is quite despised. Muslims divide world to zone of peace and zone of war. Peace zone is islamic one, and zone of war is non-islamic. They really are ready to islamize west. they consider immigration one of the great weapons of islam.
Personally I wouldn't be sad if all jewish influence is terminated, contrary I would be glad. Christian zionists are exeptionally disgusting to me.
But now muslims are greatest most imminent danger.
2004-05-19 00:05 | User Profile
Of course, the ideal scenario would be for Muslims and Jews to destroy each other.
2004-05-19 12:29 | User Profile
Valley Forge hit the nail on the head. I think that some people make the mistake of thinking that because Islam dislikes Israel and Jews, then Islam must be a friend of the West. This is [u]not true[/u]. Islam has been the mortal enemy of Christendom almost since its very founding. I certainly don't think we should be over in Iraq attacking Muslims on behalf of Jews, but at the same time I recognize that having a vast contingent of Muslims in the West is very dangerous, indeed.
2004-05-19 14:16 | User Profile
Islam (Middle East version) has posed no credible danger to the West in centuries; they had neither the industry, the technology nor the unity of purpose to do so.
By allowing our Jews to pervert our immigration laws, we have helped them close the first two gaps. But far more importantly, by funding Jewish terror in the Middle East for decades - and strongarming any Arab who dared squawk about it - we have provided them with the all-important third factor, giftwrapped.
Remember that Arabs do not seek the death of the West for any other reason than self-preservation. It may not seem evident to Freepers or FoxNews zombies, but this is a war where - for the moment - one side has all the weapons. Arabs face subjugation and annihilation, particularly if Israel can shape 'events' to present the scenario of them or us as a regrettable necessity.
Francis makes some valid points but he ducks one prominent one altogether: our complete complicity in forcing the Muslim's hand. Only America could dismiss our bombing of your people - and our whole hearted support for your blood enemy - as a unimportant detail that is wholly beside the point. Such 'details' seem much more germane to the ones ducking the incoming fire.
2004-05-20 00:29 | User Profile
Islam is not the enemy of the West due to Western support for Israel. Islam is notable for incessantly attacking and annihilating anything that is nonIslamic, and this tendency predates the establishment of Israel.
If there was no such thing as Israel, even if there was no single Jew on planet Earth, mark my words: Islam would INVENT some reason to hate us. It is their character and it is the barbaric nature of that so-called religion. It is a cult of hate that has to be extinguished at all costs, starting with their immediate deportation from all Western and other nonIslamic nations.
2004-06-04 04:56 | User Profile
I would suggest the repatriation of all muslims and their attendant, extended and numerous relatives, along with their cousins-of-cousins and religious goat-killers.
I give them no choice. They return to their homelands or they will join their goats.
Make no mistake. It has been reported that muslims in Europe are a time-bomb ready to explode because Europeans do not accept their 'culture' or 'religion'. And thus those goat-like people that trespass upon my land are offended.
They offend me and millions of my people. For the time-bomb will come from Europeans not the aggressive, screeching, whinning and repulsive invader. And the Christian Churches that shelter and support our enemy will be no more. And they better understand it - one and all.
For soon there will be no discussion.
Mentzer.
2004-06-04 05:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Islam (Middle East version) has posed no credible danger to the West in centuries; they had neither the industry, the technology nor the unity of purpose to do so.
By allowing our Jews to pervert our immigration laws, we have helped them close the first two gaps. But far more importantly, by funding Jewish terror in the Middle East for decades - and strongarming any Arab who dared squawk about it - we have provided them with the all-important third factor, giftwrapped.
Remember that Arabs do not seek the death of the West for any other reason than self-preservation. It may not seem evident to Freepers or FoxNews zombies, but this is a war where - for the moment - one side has all the weapons. Arabs face subjugation and annihilation, particularly if Israel can shape 'events' to present the scenario of them or us as a regrettable necessity.
Francis makes some valid points but he ducks one prominent one altogether: our complete complicity in forcing the Muslim's hand. Only America could dismiss our bombing of your people - and our whole hearted support for your blood enemy - as a unimportant detail that is wholly beside the point. Such 'details' seem much more germane to the ones ducking the incoming fire.[/QUOTE]
Great post, il swartho. I know that many Europeans are hostile to Moslems/Arabs because they've swarmed into Europe like Mexicans have into the US, but damn, who's responsible for that? The Moslems/Arabs and Mexicans or the governments that not only don't defend their borders but actively encourage it? And we all know who's behind this government policy.
I'll never figure out why so many people are so anxious to engage millions of non-Jewish semites in warfare, when dealing with their own governments would be a whole lot thriftier and solve so many other problems.
2004-06-04 18:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SupremeSpirit]Islam is not the enemy of the West due to Western support for Israel. Islam is notable for incessantly attacking and annihilating anything that is nonIslamic, and this tendency predates the establishment of Israel.
If there was no such thing as Israel, even if there was no single Jew on planet Earth, mark my words: Islam would INVENT some reason to hate us. It is their character and it is the barbaric nature of that so-called religion. It is a cult of hate that has to be extinguished at all costs, starting with their immediate deportation from all Western and other nonIslamic nations.[/QUOTE]
I am 64 and I never seen the Muslims or Arabs trying to take over the USA.
All I ever seen was Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves and Aladdin and the Magic Lamp.
Stop blaming the Arabs for what is going on at this time, no one has proven that they are responsible for any so called "terrorists attacks".
If I were to suspect or blame anyone it would be the Zionists.
2004-06-04 22:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Valley Forge hit the nail on the head. I think that some people make the mistake of thinking that because Islam dislikes Israel and Jews, then Islam must be a friend of the West. This is [u]not true[/u]. Islam has been the mortal enemy of Christendom almost since its very founding. I certainly don't think we should be over in Iraq attacking Muslims on behalf of Jews, but at the same time I recognize that having a vast contingent of Muslims in the West is very dangerous, indeed.[/QUOTE]I think a little reading of western history is in order for anti-semites who have started loving Muslims. Charles Martel and his brave warriors werent fighting Jews - they were fighting Muslim hordes that were ready to swarm all over Europe. And in 1683 brave Germanic warriors werent fighting Jews again, they were fighting Turks and their assorted Muslim allies trying to take over Europe.
Europeans were traditionally anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim when Europe was properly Christian. And there is nothing inconsistent about that. Islam IS a barbaric religion producing acts of madness that boggle the mind. No Islamic society can be presented as a role model for western dissidents to follow. It is a religion that has produced nothing to value for humanity except death, madness and destruction. And, Muslim immigrants are a menace that we need to rid ourselves of in Europe and the United States.
However, I am not implying that we should be fighting the Zionists' wars. Those arent our wars and they arent in our interests. Our wars are to be fought here on OUR soil. Israel can go to hell. That would change nothing for us. But for France or Germany to sink would be a catastrophe that doesnt even bear thinking about.
2004-06-05 01:56 | User Profile
Hello Ponce
We are talking about Europe not America.
It is western-central European countries that are inundated by numerous tribal elements from north Africa and the middle-east. The "poor me" never ending regiments of arabs. The thieving and sly, the corrupt and thick. The goatish and ratty that have no proper place within Europe.
It is not your problem - as yet.
Mentzer
2004-06-05 02:08 | User Profile
Mentzer,
We have the Mestizos to deal with here.
But something tells me Arabs are worse.
2004-06-05 02:26 | User Profile
I'm not sure why this issue is made out to be so complex. Neither the Muslims nor the Jews are friends of the West. The solution is to deport them to their lands of ancestral origin, and then make sure that they are never allowed to return. Total geographical separation, forever.
Note to the Crusaders: once these alien elements are returned to where they belong, they are to be absolutely left alone by the West. I do not endorse the attitudes common over at "Free Republic" about "nuking" Arabs and such. that would be a waste. As many have pointed out here, the Arabs can't do anything to us as long as they are "over there"--they genetically do not have the capacity. The only reason 9-11 happened (if it wasn't a Mossad-CIA op) is because we let the Arabs into the United States to begin with, where they then had the chance to use our own resources against us.
2004-06-05 02:47 | User Profile
The fact remains, they don't have the means of coming here without an invitation, formal or not, from our governments. Isn't that right?
2004-06-05 05:24 | User Profile
Ruffin
That is, without doubt, a fact.
You are correct. And what is a typical western politician? A mouth without a brain. Leadership is the first requirement.
Demoractic political parties all vie to outdo each other in their liberalism. They corrupt themselves and the principles of democracy in its original meaning. They are corrupt for they betray the people they are meant to represent.
There is only one sure and proven way. Not multifarious parties - but the strong leader. And powerful, single-minded leadership is required.
It is called the Leadership Principle.
My regards.
2004-06-05 06:11 | User Profile
Now Mentzer, explain that to the people who think they can regain their republic via this democracy in which they are a persecuted soon-to-be-minority. They'll tell you that you're thinking unAmerican thoughts and that you're a , well, you know.
2004-06-06 06:29 | User Profile
Hello Ruffin
I could not care less what those labelling deficients think. They hold no interest.
The foolish and simple-minded. They are forced to read and write by those who are themselves slow in cognitive ability. The ignorant leading the ignorant. And thus the ignorant flourish - in their own little minds. And how they whine and whinge! Those fools.
But they are of no importance. Mere chaff made for the purpose of ridicule and examples of what not to be.
A single wolf can stampede a herd of cattle. One dog can control a flock of sheep. For the wolf has but one purpose and cannot be deflected. It cares little for the opinion of the herd - it is far more clever than that.
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2004-06-06 12:02 | User Profile
The thread title brings forth visions of a Middle East rich with diversity. Yes, all those troublesome countries..... Syria, Libya, Israel, Iran, Iraq.....Assimilated! They could become one nation, they could call it the Middle East Union. They could import Nigerians, Koreans and Chinese and have an integrated society. It would be a real loooooove fest! No more wars....make love not war. Then the rest of the world would stop being bothered by all the M.E. conflicts.
2004-06-06 14:36 | User Profile
Because even if they are 'over there' and not here, thye are a menace. Remember that nations such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, and allied filth such as al Qaeda, through trickery, theft, and oil wealth have scraped together the rudiments of nuclear capability and ballistic missiles. Deporting Pakis and Camel Jockeys is only the first step; doing that ALONE is worse than doing nothing because then you will have a seething mass of deported subhumans itching for vengeance from their home countries.
No, you need a more holistic approach. Deport, attack militarily and eliminate all WMDs, work HARD to impoverish and create mass starvation among their citizens. Take control of their oil and pump like crazy, while investing huge sums in alternate energy sources. THEN once their oil has run dry and we have achieved energy security thru solar or other means....then the FUN really begins.....
Then Islam will cease to exist.
2004-06-06 15:05 | User Profile
One hundred years of peace between Christianity and Islam was a fact until Westerners became such obedient servants of their Jewish masters 60 years ago and started screwing around with Islam. I believe the "problem" of Islam would go away if we left them alone.
2004-06-07 12:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]One hundred years of peace between Christianity and Islam was a fact until Westerners became such obedient servants of their Jewish masters 60 years ago and started screwing around with Islam. I believe the "problem" of Islam would go away if we left them alone.[/QUOTE] The reason for that peace was that the Ottoman Empire had rotted away and could no longer pose a threat to its neighbours to the West. If the "Sick Man on the Bosphorus" had stayed healthy, his intentions would have stayed aggressive.
2004-06-07 12:47 | User Profile
An old saying goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Although that's rather broad, I must say that the Jews are by far our most dangerous enemy and they are winning. That said, I think we need to resign ourselves to the fact that we need Islam as an ally. We are in a desperate situation.
2004-06-07 12:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]An old saying goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Although that's rather broad, I must say that the Jews are by far our most dangerous enemy and they are winning. That said, I think we need to resign ourselves to the fact that we need Islam as an ally. We are in a desperate situation.[/QUOTE] We are in a desperate situation, but Islam can never be a true ally of the Christian West. The best we can hope for is for Islam to no longer be actively fighting against us, and to be fighting against a common enemy instead. I would say we need Islam as a co-belligerent, but not as an ally.
2004-06-07 13:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]We are in a desperate situation, but Islam can never be a true ally of the Christian West. The best we can hope for is for Islam to no longer be actively fighting against us, and to be fighting against a common enemy instead. I would say we need Islam as a co-belligerent, but not as an ally.[/QUOTE] I see things in terms of what has strategic value to us, what has strategic value to Islam and what has strategic value to Jews. By no means would I advocate trusting Islam or assimilating with them nor allowing them to immigrate here, I just want to warn against any White-Arab antagnoism, as this is of strategic value to the Jews, who continuosly instigate it. It's of strategic value for us to stand down any divisive tactics engineered by the Jews. The Islam-WMD fearmongering shown earlier in this thread is counter-productive and should not be tolerated.
2004-06-08 03:12 | User Profile
Step aside a monent. You expect me to believe that Muslims pose a threat to the U.S. ok. THey could never pose any threat without government feed. The tracking of old Soviet bombs is a visceral fact. It's funny how we can track nuclear weeapons and uranium but we cannot track the "lost" Soviet suitcase bombs. You know, as well as I do, that they are right here. Sometimes we make the mistake, and the media makes the mistake, to think that it really has any kind of sway concerning people and their thoughts. For example. A so-called Islamic terrorist might actually have a suitcase bomb in his back pocket, capable of killing over 100,000.. and all of a sudden not decide to use it. Hmm. What's most abhorrent to me, as a True American, is to see us sold down the river by a ppiece of craap nothing called modern Israel. All Americans, inclluding God-Fearing Jews should join in this fight. Destroy Israel and have Peace. And if the Jews who cling don't want Peace, then let them go away in another Diaspora. Just because some rich banker named Rothschild bought the Crown of England with Sin does not mean Lawrrence of Arabia was wrong, and it certainly means that we must end this idiocy and destroy FAKE ISRAEL. If they want to launch bombs and blame it on the Syrians. then we have to . But it MUST AND WILL END according to SCRIPTURE. It will grow but bear no fruit. Destroy Israel and have PEACE. Destroy Bush who stands in our way. Destroy the Satanist Perverts and their Orgies. Kill . Identify. Identify then Kill.