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Iraq Torture/Rape Photos: What is the Jewish Angle?

Thread ID: 13485 | Posts: 53 | Started: 2004-05-01

Valley Forge [OP]

2004-05-01 22:40 | User Profile

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it 60 Minutes on CBS that broke this story wide open? Nothing gets into the controlled media in the United States, much less onto 60 Minutes, that is harmful to Jewish interests. Therefore, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the firestorm over these photos somehow advances the agenda of organized Jewry.

So what is the Jewish angle here? I think it's this: Jews are attempting to intensify the hatred of Americans that is so widespread throughout the Arab world.

Obviously, if the world's Muslim militants now redouble their efforts to carry out terror strikes in the USA as a result of these photos, Israel's interests will be served quite well.

Peter Phillips

2004-05-01 22:42 | User Profile

I think they tried to bury it to be honest. Apparently they sat on the story for a whole month. Eventually they found out that others had also got hold of these pictures and were going to release it so they went ahead and released it themselves. Why let some goy make money when you can make it yourself? Screw the army. No Jews serve in the army anyway.

Valley Forge

2004-05-01 22:46 | User Profile

Good point.

I just in checked in with FReak Republic.

It turns out there's an article up claiming that the photos are fakes.

So perhaps that's how ZOG plans to spin this obvious public relations disaster.

Peter Phillips

2004-05-01 22:56 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Valley Forge]So perhaps that's how ZOG plans to spin this obvious public relations disaster.[/QUOTE] A disaster it certainly is. It makes America's position even less tenable now than before. The entire "moral" case for Iraq looks like a lot of bollocks now. The majority of American public opinion was already against the war even before these pictures came out. Now youll have overwhelming opposition to continued occupation.

This will also inflame the Iraqis in particular and the Arabs in general and continuing to occupy Iraq will become next to impossible.

However, Jews control both the left and the right. The majority of American Jews are on the left and most of the TV channels are not neo-con. They will use this opportunity to bury Bush and the Republicans and replace him with a pliable Democrat who will talk a lot of mumbo-jumbo about Multilateralism and building broader "coalitions" etc but in practice would keep some sort of presence in Iraq to prevent it from falling into the hands of someone who is likely to threaten Israel.

Its an old game and its not going to finish anytime soon. These people are masters of deception. They couldnt have controlled the country this long otherwise.

Peter Phillips

2004-05-01 23:05 | User Profile

The spin has started. See here:

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[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts"][size=+1][color=black]Doubt cast on Iraq torture photos[/color][/size][/url] [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3677311.stm"][size=2][color=#0000ff]bbc ^[/color][/size][/url][size=2] [/size][size=2]| Saturday, 1 May, 2004[/size]

[size=2]Posted on 05/01/2004 3:11:14 PM PDT by [/size][url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~demlosers/"][size=2][color=black]demlosers[/color][/size][/url]

An investigation is under way into claims that British troops humiliated and assaulted an Iraqi prisoner before throwing him from a moving lorry. The claims were made in the Daily Mirror which carried photos allegedly taken during the man's ordeal.

Sources close to the regiment said to be involved have told the BBC they are not convinced the pictures are genuine. [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40104000/jpg/_40104961_front_mirror_203.jpg[/img]

Tony Blair says that if they are authentic it is "completely and totally unacceptable".

However the BBC's defence correspondent Paul Adams says sources close to The Queen's Lancashire Regiment believe many aspects of the photographs are extremely suspicious.

He says they believe the pictures may not have been taken in Iraq.

They believe the rifle is an SA80 mk 1 - which was not issued to troops in Iraq.

The paper claims British soldiers handed over the photos

They say soldiers in Iraq wore berets or hard hats - and not floppy hats as in the photos.

They also believe the wrong type of Bedford truck is shown in the background - a type never deployed in Iraq. Mr Blair said if there had been any abuse it was "exceptional", and should not detract from the good work being done by UK armed forces in Iraq.

However he stressed if the photos were genuine it was totally unacceptable.

"We went to Iraq to get rid of that sort of thing, not to do it," he added.

Investigation

Earlier Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram agreed the pictures were "appalling" if they were genuine.

They "besmirch the good name of the armed forces," he said.

Military police are conducting an investigation into the photos which appear to show a soldier using violence and urinating on a captive.

Mr Ingram said this investigation had to be given time.

Pictures showing American troops humiliating Iraqi prisoners, with a hooded and naked prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his genitals, also generated outrage earlier this week.

US President George W Bush vowed that those responsible would be "taken care of".

There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour

The Queen's Lancashire Regiment

Military shaken by torture probe Arab media fury Mr Ingram said there was no "culture of abuse" in the British Army despite the fact that five separate inquiries into maltreatment are under way.

He admitted: "If these allegations are true, they are appalling, they are despicable and there can be no justification for them at all."

And he said the inquiry by the Royal Military Police's Special Investigations Branch would "not leave any stone unturned".

Those who are opposed to the coalition's occupation of Iraq would employ "full exploitation of these incidents", Mr Ingram said.

Unnamed captive

The Mirror says the pictures were handed over by British soldiers from The Queen's Lancashire Regiment who claimed a rogue element in the British Army was responsible for abusing prisoners and civilians.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the soldiers told the paper no charges were brought against the unnamed captive.

They allege that during his eight-hour ordeal he was threatened with execution, his jaw broken and his teeth smashed.

After being beaten and urinated on, he was driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle, the soldiers claimed, unaware if he was dead.

The reason for making the photos public was, they said, to show why the US-UK coalition was encountering such fierce resistance in Iraq.

Army spokesman Roger Goodwin, on behalf of The Queen's Lancashire Regiment, said there was "clearly some form of link to the regiment".

"But the precise form of that link, including whether the soldiers involved in the alleged atrocities were members of the QLR, needs to be established.

He added: "There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour.

"The sooner they are exposed and ejected from the regiment, the better."

The regimental secretary, retired Lt Col John Downham, said: "We are furious that these people, whoever they turn out to be, have already besmirched our hard-earned good name and let down the many hundreds of QLR soldiers whose outstandingly successful tour in Basra was recognised by no fewer than 21 honours and awards."

In a press conference, Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of General Staff, said: "If proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform and they have besmirched the Army's good name and conduct."

Ahmed al-Sheik, editor-in-chief of Arab TV news channel, said the photographs would outrage Arabs around the world. "These scenes are humiliating not only to the Iraqis, but to every Arab citizen around the world."

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[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=1#1"][color=#000000]1[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:11:14 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~demlosers/"][color=#000000]demlosers[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=1"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=1"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=1"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers Good, I hope this is as true as it sounds (that they were fakes). If so, they should find the perps and give them whatever punishment the soldiers would've received for committing the fraudulent atrocities..

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=2#2"][color=#000000]2[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:13:58 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~antiguv/"][color=#000000]AntiGuv[/color][/url] (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=2"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=2"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=2"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: FairOpinion Here's another wrinkle...

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=3#3"][color=#000000]3[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:15:54 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~mizsterious/"][color=#000000]MizSterious[/color][/url] (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=3"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=3"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=3"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: MizSterious Hmmm.

Interesting.

I'll hope they'll analyze the US photos carefully as well.

Wouldn't it be something, if it turned out they were all fake?

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=4#4"][color=#000000]4[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:19:33 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~fairopinion/"][color=#000000]FairOpinion[/color][/url] (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=4"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=4"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#3"][color=#000099]To 3[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=4"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers An investigation is under way into claims that British troops humiliated and assaulted an Iraqi prisoner before throwing him from a moving lorry. The claims were made in the Daily Mirror which carried photos allegedly taken during the man's ordeal.

All is fair in love and war. Or have we forgotten that we are at war?

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=5#5"][color=#000000]5[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:22:13 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~egpws/"][color=#000000]EGPWS[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=5"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=5"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=5"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers Interesting that the photos of both the British and American 'abuses' came out at about the same time.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=6#6"][color=#000000]6[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:24:26 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~reaganfanatic/"][color=#000000]reagan_fanatic[/color][/url] (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=6"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=6"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=6"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: AntiGuv; demlosers It used to be a picture never told a lie. But with the equipment that is available now, you can't believe your eyes. I think there are those who hate us so much for going into Iraq they will do anything to discredit us.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=7#7"][color=#000000]7[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:24:28 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~spunky/"][color=#000000]Spunky[/color][/url] ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.") [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=7"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=7"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#2"][color=#000099]To 2[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=7"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: FairOpinion I don't know if this means anything or not, but as others have mentioned, both sets of pictures seem to have come out at the same time. As you say, it would sure be interesting if all the pics were faked.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=8#8"][color=#000000]8[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:27:35 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~mizsterious/"][color=#000000]MizSterious[/color][/url] (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=8"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=8"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#4"][color=#000099]To 4[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=8"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers Someone in an earlier thread on FR raised the question about the authenticity and locations. Questions were raised about the uniforms (green rather than sand color) and some insignias that seemed inappropriate or out of place. That thread linked to about a dozen pics (that may also be on the CBS news website).

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=9#9"][color=#000000]9[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:27:45 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~tomguy/"][color=#000000]TomGuy[/color][/url] (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=9"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=9"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=9"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: MizSterious Except that the Americans under investigation haven't denied the incidents taking place. Instead they've offered the defense that they weren't properly trained, etc. So at least in the American incident, the pictures seem to be authentic.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=10#10"][color=#000000]10[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:31:01 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~kms61/"][color=#000000]kms61[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=10"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=10"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#8"][color=#000099]To 8[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=10"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers Whoever is responsible for this--be they digital graphics artists or soldiers--should get the death penalty.

I am not just hyperbolizing, either. If it was the latter, they were a) being sick, and b) giving ammunition to our enemies in a time of war. If it was the former, they were aiding and abetting our enemies.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=11#11"][color=#000000]11[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:31:45 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~megasilver/"][color=#000000]MegaSilver[/color][/url] (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=11"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=11"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=11"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: EGPWS *All is fair in love and war.

Or have we forgotten that we are at war?* No, even when at war, abuse of prisoners is not acceptable. The people accused of committing the abuse are soldiers, not barbarians.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=12#12"][color=#000000]12[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:33:11 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~bob/"][color=#000000]Bob[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=12"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=12"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#5"][color=#000099]To 5[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=12"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers *They allege that during his eight-hour ordeal he was threatened with execution, his jaw broken and his teeth smashed.

After being beaten and urinated on, he was driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle, the soldiers claimed, unaware if he was dead.

The reason for making the photos public was, they said, to show why the US-UK coalition was encountering such fierce resistance in Iraq. *

Funny to lump these things together, too - there are no allegations that the US troops beat the prisoners, just 'humiliated' them by making them stand naked, etc. Bizarre.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=13#13"][color=#000000]13[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:39:02 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~adamaz/"][color=#000000]adam_az[/color][/url] (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=13"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=13"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=13"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: EGPWS All is fair in love and war.

I don't think so. How sad. A_R

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=14#14"][color=#000000]14[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:40:04 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~arkadyrenko/"][color=#000000]arkady_renko[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=14"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=14"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#5"][color=#000099]To 5[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=14"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: Peach ping

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=15#15"][color=#000000]15[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:46:55 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~prairiebreeze/"][color=#000000]prairiebreeze[/color][/url] (Brought to you by The American Democrat Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=15"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=15"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#1"][color=#000099]To 1[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=15"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: kms61 Sadly, I think the US photos were authentic. The only one I have a question about was a photo of a hooded man standing on a box, with electrodes attached to various body parts. Another Freeper pointed out that this was almost identical to an earlier photo of an Iraqi demonstrating to American soldiers how dissenters used to be tortured by Saddam, which came out shortly after we took Baghdad.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=16#16"][color=#000000]16[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:47:19 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~livius/"][color=#000000]livius[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=16"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=16"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#10"][color=#000099]To 10[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=16"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: MizSterious I was thinking that those pictures, if genuine, were done for a reason.

I read somewhere -- in some spy novel -- but it makes sense, that when you interrogate people, you have to break their humanity. As long as you are pulling fingernails, but let them sit there and think of themselves as heros putting up with pain and torture, they can withstand a lot and not break.

You have to take away their human dignity to break them.

Now here is my thought about those pictures. Suppose they did whatever they did to some of the prisoners -- remember these were a bunch of terrorists -- and then took pictures, which they showed to other terrorists they interrogated, as a threat, and they talked, rather than be subjected to such indignities. So the purpose of the pictures were as props to intimidate other terrorists being interrogated.

The fact that prisoners were photographed with hoods, would indicate such possibility. And the laughing Americans in the picture would also serve the purpose of intimidating the terrorists, who may be willing to die for their cause, but not to suffer those indignities. You have to threaten them, with what they are afraid of.

Some articles mentioned that they had a lot of success with this interrogation technique. Who knows how many attacks were foiled by getting the terrorists to talk, by whatever means work.

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=17#17"][color=#000000]17[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:54:24 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~fairopinion/"][color=#000000]FairOpinion[/color][/url] (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.) [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=17"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=17"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#8"][color=#000099]To 8[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=17"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: kms61 Instead they've offered the defense that they weren't properly trained, etc

The latest wrinkle I've heard in this story is that some of the deeds are being done by non-military US civilian contractors who cannot be tried in Iraq per language included in their constitution of sorts by Paul Bremer.

How is this "winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people" that US civilians can go over there, get their jollies by humiliating Iraqis, and then leave without the chance of being punished in Iraq?

[url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts?page=18#18"][color=#000000]18[/color][/url] posted on 05/01/2004 3:58:24 PM PDT by [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/~lelio/"][color=#000000]lelio[/color][/url] [ [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/reply?comment=18"][color=#000099]Post Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/private?comment=18"][color=#000099]Private Reply[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/posts#10"][color=#000099]To 10[/color][/url] | [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128002/replies?comment=18"][color=#000099]View Replies[/color][/url] ]

To: demlosers; Registered Well our own FR god of photoshop got a little controversy going a while back. No offense to his excellent work, but it was so good, I'll always be suspicious of certain photographs again.

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Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-05-02 00:52 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Peter Phillips]I think they tried to bury it to be honest. Apparently they sat on the story for a whole month. Eventually they found out that others had also got hold of these pictures and were going to release it so they went ahead and released it themselves. Why let some goy make money when you can make it yourself? Screw the army. No Jews serve in the army anyway.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. The Jews knew they couldn't keep this off the Internet, and before long even Sen. Robert Byrd would know about it, so they are conveniently engaged in a bit of profitable damage control....

Dan B

2004-05-02 03:27 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Suppose they did whatever they did to some of the prisoners -- remember these were a bunch of terrorists -- and then took pictures, which they showed to other terrorists they interrogated, as a threat, and they talked, rather than be subjected to such indignities. So the purpose of the pictures were as props to intimidate other terrorists being interrogated. [/QUOTE]

The captured Iraqi soldiers were a bunch of terrorists? Truly the comments of a weak minded, CNN brainwashed simpleton. The Jew media would love to keep the myth of Iraq and a 9/11 connection alive. And while they're at it, may as well label any non-Jew a terrorist. The day will soon be upon us when any negative opinions about the Israel-American empire will be deemed terrorism, and will get you killed.

Angler

2004-05-02 06:24 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Dan B]The captured Iraqi soldiers were a bunch of terrorists? Truly the comments of a weak minded, CNN brainwashed simpleton. The Jew media would love to keep the myth of Iraq and a 9/11 connection alive.[/QUOTE]That's right. The designation of resistance fighters as "terrorists" is a major peeve of mine -- it sends my blood pressure into the stratosphere. From the way some idiots talk, you'd think the definition of "terrorist" was "anyone who fights back against the US military." Fighting against an occupying military is NEVER terrorism. I know everyone here is well aware of that, but I had to vent a bit.

Valley Forge

2004-05-08 22:43 | User Profile

*The lawyer for one of the prison guards being court martialed says his client was "just following orders" -- orders that many are beginning to speculate were given by people associated with the CIA, DIA, and Military Intelligence. The McLaughlin Group examined this possibility in one of their segments this week. The question is, was Mossad on the scene too? If so, we'll obviously never here about in ZOG's press. *

From Rense.com:

The top Pentagon civilian officials -- Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith -- both Jewish and both known for their extremely close relationships with top officials in Israel and the Zionist movement, are believed to have personally authorized clandestine Mossad officials to be in Iraq working closely with U.S. military intelligence. Something similar is believed to have been secretly authorized by the head of the CIA, George Tenet. Many in Washington find it hard to believe that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfled did not know and approve; even if the information was not provided to the President who many believe at the time would not have cared or understood the implications anyway.

[url]http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1790[/url]

madrussian

2004-05-08 23:01 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]That's right. The designation of resistance fighters as "terrorists" is a major peeve of mine -- it sends my blood pressure into the stratosphere. From the way some idiots talk, you'd think the definition of "terrorist" was "anyone who fights back against the US military." Fighting against an occupying military is NEVER terrorism. I know everyone here is well aware of that, but I had to vent a bit.[/QUOTE] Note that the Chechens haven't been once called "terrorists" in the American media even though they truly deserve the title. No, instead American zhids have joined the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya.

GaConfed

2004-05-09 08:06 | User Profile

Yep. They are mad at Putin for putting all the Communist Party apparatchiks turned Mier Lanskys that were creating chaos and stealing the whole country blind in jail and taking back what they stole, thus causing an end to thier seemingly endless plunder party that they threw while the drunken sot, Yeltsin was in power.

If you will think back, the neo cons also were big cheerleaders from the sidelines of Clinton's war against Christian Serbia that has given free rien to that race of pimps and heroin dealers for Allah in Kosovo.

Kosmos Luftwaffe

2004-05-09 09:36 | User Profile

[SIZE=3]Thats the trouth![/SIZE]

Peter Phillips

2004-05-09 14:26 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]Note that the Chechens haven't been once called "terrorists" in the American media even though they truly deserve the title. No, instead American zhids have joined the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya.[/QUOTE] Theyd call them terrorists if the Russians had supported the war and sent troops to Iraq. For its defiance, they will concoct all kinds of arguments and put pressure on Russia for not being a "Democracy" or not respecting "Human Rights". Its an old game.

All Old Right

2004-05-09 15:05 | User Profile

This whole thing makes the mess worse than ever, the Arabs madder than ever, and that's what Israel wants...to turn this into a big WWIII stink to get others to kill off Israeli enemies. Plus, the big corporations getting all of those contracts every time there is a US war make billions is the payoff for campaign contributions that keep the pols in office, that feed money to big business...Israel gets some of that pie each time. If you watch Israel, their prosperity and survival depends on their victim status, and that vitcim status needs a persistent enemy. To keep an enemy for decades, you have to feed them a reason.

Gabrielle

2004-05-09 19:55 | User Profile

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it 60 Minutes on CBS that broke this story wide open? Nothing gets into the controlled media in the United States, much less onto 60 Minutes, that is harmful to Jewish interests. Therefore, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the firestorm over these photos somehow advances the agenda of organized Jewry.

So what is the Jewish angle here? I think it's this: Jews are attempting to intensify the hatred of Americans that is so widespread throughout the Arab world.

Obviously, if the world's Muslim militants now redouble their efforts to carry out terror strikes in the USA as a result of these photos, Israel's interests will be served quite well.

ThereÃ¢â¬â¢s a main reason for these basically bogus photosÃ¢â¬Â¦ think about itÃ¢â¬Â¦ what do you hear on the news, on the internet, etc., coming from the WNÃ¢â¬â¢s, the left, and even from the right? Think carefully! What it AWAYS gets down to is blaming Bush! This was planned along time ago, just to bring down Bush. Everywhere you read or look, our people are falling for the trap. They took those photos at face value, and, parroting what the jewish media wants them to, they damn Bush to hell Ã¢â¬Â¦ Ã¢â¬ÅItÃ¢â¬â¢s that damn BushÃ¢â¬â¢s fault.Ã¢â¬Â Now I know Bush has done a lot of things wrong - Iraq war, immigration, etc., etc. But I guarantee you that Kerry will be a ** million** times worse. This is the leftÃ¢â¬â¢s dream come true - all of the WNs, right wingers, and many Christians will throw their votes away on some third candidate (and consequently hand the presidency to the jew, Kerry). Once again, our people are being led by the nose, and they have no idea! After these mostly bogus photos have accomplished what they were supposed to do, guess what? Some hard-hitting reporter will discover that they were staged. Wag the Dog, all over again.

Gabrielle

2004-05-09 20:25 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Gabby,

If you consider Bush (probably the most militantly pro-Israel man to ever sit in the oval office, as well as one of the most pro-mestizo) to be "right wing" and an authentic alternative to liberalism, perhaps Free Republic might be a better place for you. Who knows, the FReepers might look past some of your loopy "Christian Identity" ideas if you keep repeating mantras about how it's the duty of every right-winger to vote for Bush and stop the "Democrats" (never mind the fact that Bush and just about every other GOP hack may as well be a "Democrat")

Here's a hint: Bush takes his marching orders from people named Wolfowitz, Frum, Perle, Kristol and Feith. How Kerry could be a "million times worse" escapes me, considering that replacing Bush with a resurrected Leon Trotsky would hardly be worse at this point.[/QUOTE]

If you don't think Kerry - the jew who 'didn't know he was a jew', the jew who threw his medals that weren't really his over the white house fence, etc. - will be worse than Bush, you're in for a big surprise after November. And I'm not considering him 'right wing'...just better than the jew Kerry.

James Henly Thornwell

2004-05-09 21:26 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]There’s a main reason for these basically bogus photos… think about it… what do you hear on the news, on the internet, etc., coming from the WN’s, the left, and even from the right? Think carefully! What it AWAYS gets down to is blaming Bush! This was planned along time ago, just to bring down Bush. Everywhere you read or look, our people are falling for the trap. They took those photos at face value, and, parroting what the jewish media wants them to, they damn Bush to hell … “It’s that damn Bush’s fault.” Now I know Bush has done a lot of things wrong - Iraq war, immigration, etc., etc. But I guarantee you that Kerry will be a ** million** times worse. This is the left’s dream come true - all of the WNs, right wingers, and many Christians will throw their votes away on some third candidate (and consequently hand the presidency to the jew, Kerry). Once again, our people are being led by the nose, and they have no idea! After these mostly bogus photos have accomplished what they were supposed to do, guess what? Some hard-hitting reporter will discover that they were staged. Wag the Dog, all over again.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

I live in an area served by three daily newspapers, all published by the same Jew. Yesterday, they each had a large--and bad--picture of Donald Rumsfeld "taking blame." Three different pictures--same effect.

I thought the "really big news" of last week was that "Bush Administration reports troops will be in Iraq at least through the end of 2005."

I mean, could you try any harder to lose an election? Heck, Al Gore got more votes than Bush did!

And the mestizo reconquista keeps rolling along.

All Old Right

2004-05-09 22:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]If you don't think Kerry - the jew who 'didn't know he was a jew', the jew who threw his medals that weren't really his over the white house fence, etc. - will be worse than Bush, you're in for a big surprise after November. And I'm not considering him 'right wing'...just better than the jew Kerry.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I'm not buying that GOP guilt trip anymore, too many people getting hurt by GOP warmongers. I'm not asking for much: responsible use of US military (especially reserve units) and an end to imperialism of neocons, reduction in the sprawling federal .gov regulation monster, stop buying votes and campaign contributions with tax money, stop sending tax money everywhere but those who legally owned it before it was stolen by .gov, term limits of 18 years total US Congress, immigration policies that won't turn the US into a third world mess, and return to constituitional republic and states' rights. People just want the freaking federal, state, and local government to stop breathing down our necks because it makes them feel important and gives them personal wealth.

And, you people need to get your story straight. Is it just a bad few, or didn't happen at all? Or, is this all the fault of the photographer, those who released the pictures to the media, or the media. The Red Cross is saying they were ignored. Is the Red Cross in on the conspiracy too? Bush is saying he had no clue until he saw it on TV. Rumsfeld says he had no clue, but sat right before Congress the day the 60 Minutes II story ran. Bush and company publicly played with the status name of prisoners...detainees, enemy combatants, or whatever they can call them so the legal rights against torture and don't apply. Come on! Is it really my fault for not going along with this circus?

If anyone is the King of flip-flop, it's the GOP. Throw the bums out, GOP/DNC, all of them.

Gabrielle

2004-05-09 23:14 | User Profile

Pavlov's dog...

Valley Forge

2004-05-10 00:23 | User Profile

[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Gabby,

There is the possibility that Kerry would be worse than Bush on the domestic side, if not the foreign policy side. Under Kerry, the entire Executive branch, including every regulatory agency and cabinet post, will be run by Jews, not just State and Defense.

il ragno

2004-05-10 01:36 | User Profile

Bush? Kerry?

It really doesn't make a goddam bit of difference.

Next you'll be reminding us to make sure to vote because 'every vote matters', Gabrielle. Nope, it doesn't. Stop interpreting "lesser of two evils" as [I]accent on 'lesser' [/I] - wake up and read the rest of the phrase.

All Old Right

2004-05-10 01:59 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]Bush? Kerry?

It really doesn't make a goddam bit of difference.

The only thing that could get me to care enough to hit the polls is a major candidate who will speak for my interests and concerns. Since they have been judged, [B]by bilateral consensus[/B], to be Unspeakable - even Anathema - there is no point in participating, only in opposing.[/QUOTE] Yep. Well said. Every once in a while (sarcasm) voters would like to be voting for a positive, instead of just bailing water from a sinking ship. How people get obsessed with voting for a party, principles be damned, I have no clue. They get all giddy if "their guy" wins, then bitch about things getting worse all of the time.

Gabrielle

2004-05-10 02:05 | User Profile

"I don't consider Bush to be any better than Bill Clinton (in some ways the Bush administration is even more odious than Clinton's, in fact), so I very much doubt that Kerry could throw us any curve balls. As for Kerry being a crypto-Jew, how exactly is having a crypto-Jew in the oval office any worse than having a puppet of the Jews there? As I said above, Wolfowitz may as well BE the President at this moment given that our simian-in-chief is simply a figurehead taking his orders and mouthing a script from Tel Aviv and the Weekly Standard editorial office.

But by all means vote for Wolfowitz. I think I'll find something better to do than voting for one of two carbon copy candidates on election day."

**Something else to think about: how many federal supreme court justices will be retiring in the next year or so? **

Gabrielle

2004-05-10 02:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=All Old Right]Yep. Well said. Every once in a while (sarcasm) voters would like to be voting for a positive, instead of just bailing water from a sinking ship. How people get obsessed with voting for a party, principles be damned, I have no clue. They get all giddy if "their guy" wins, then bitch about things getting worse all of the time.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I said anything guys: just go back to sleep.

il ragno

2004-05-10 02:12 | User Profile

[I]Sorry, I said anything guys: just go back to sleep.[/I]

Thanks, we will. But remember to shove us awake after you 'win' and we're invading Syria and/or Iran, wouldja?

All Old Right

2004-05-10 02:37 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Sorry, I said anything guys: just go back to sleep.[/QUOTE] In my case, back to my cage. Woof.

Mentzer

2004-05-10 02:57 | User Profile

President Bush shut down European terrorists groups, including the Clinton-friendly IRA and others. He is not afraid. He is a Leader. And not as some suggest, part of the Juden.

Understand the Muslim - if you will. They have attempted to lead Europe again and again, by force, and they failed. They paid a bloody price. They will do so once more.

I can only admire George Bush. A Christian Man that ignores the whinings of malcontents and liberal cowards. The pampered and the stupid.

Bring George Bush to Europe and lead the European Union - he has my vote.

Mentzer.

Paleoleftist

2004-05-10 03:06 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Mentzer] Bring George Bush to Europe and lead the European Union - he has my vote.

Mentzer.[/QUOTE]

Are you drunk?

If I had to choose between Bush and Saddam, IÃÂ´d vote Saddam. :saddam:

Mentzer

2004-05-10 04:51 | User Profile

Far from it.

Try others outwith your race. Then make comment.

Perhaps you fail to understand just how much they hate you? Do not be fooled. Let us not misunderstand each other. The Muslim is not your brother anymore than the Jew. Understand that.

I support George Bush because he is a man. Not some weak yes-sayer among the scared. Try it sometime.

Mentzer.

il ragno

2004-05-10 05:56 | User Profile

A two-fisted, kilo-snorting, draft-ducking Viking, our Dauphin is. Just look at the rugged way he squints at the teleprompter! With a Clint Eastwood squint like that, no wonder he doesn't have time for any pantywaist investigations into what happened on 9/11. When that unnamed FAA superior cut the black box recording into fifty pieces and burned them in fifty different incinerators, why, a [I]pussy [/I] might've gotten the idea that something fishy was up. But a man knows it happened [I]just like Mr Sharon said it did[/I]. And our President called that FAA man [I]personally [/I] to tell him, "That's some nice evidence-destroying, son." A weakling could never do that. And our President is a [I]man.[/I]

Oh, and those Israelis on the rooftop weren't dancing, they were jumping up and pointing toward Mecca, where the getaway car was headed.

What, is there a long line to get into the Hannity forum tonight?

Paleoleftist

2004-05-10 19:03 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Mentzer]Perhaps you fail to understand just how much they hate you? Do not be fooled. Let us not misunderstand each other. The Muslim is not your brother anymore than the Jew. Understand that. [QUOTE]

The Muslims donÃÂ´t care one way or other about me. They are quite aware that Euros are not their enemies.

Brother? No. But ally? Perhaps.

Quantrill

2004-05-10 19:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Paleoleftist] The Muslims donÃÂ´t care one way or other about me. They are quite aware that Euros are not their enemies.

Brother? No. But ally? Perhaps.[/QUOTE] I am totally against the imperial wars in the Middle East, and I think that Israel and its domestic agents are leading the US down the path to destruction. That being said, however, I cannot share your sanguine view of Islam. Surely you are aware of the Muslim immigration invasion that is swamping most of Europe. That is hardly the action of an "ally." Historically speaking, Islam has been the enemy of Europe and Christianity virtually since the time of Muhammed, and I see no reason to think that has changed. In my opinon, Christianity (and therefore Western Civilization) and Islam are incompatible.

xmetalhead

2004-05-10 20:38 | User Profile

Mentzer are you jewish?

Remember, it's not the Muslim's fault that they're living in the West today. It's the judaized, disgraceful, traitorous White men-elite on both sides of the Atlantic that are fully to blame for any brown invaders.

As for the abuse photos, it's good for Israel. How else do such highly sensitive photos make it into mainstream news??

Paleoleftist

2004-05-10 22:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Quantrill]I am totally against the imperial wars in the Middle East, and I think that Israel and its domestic agents are leading the US down the path to destruction. That being said, however, I cannot share your sanguine view of Islam. Surely you are aware of the Muslim immigration invasion that is swamping most of Europe. That is hardly the action of an "ally." Historically speaking, Islam has been the enemy of Europe and Christianity virtually since the time of Muhammed, and I see no reason to think that has changed. In my opinon, Christianity (and therefore Western Civilization) and Islam are incompatible.[/QUOTE]

That is true, they shouldnÃÂ´t send their people here.

But I am not sure that is Islamic government strategy. IÃÂ´d even say governments like IranÃÂ´s do not want too much contact between their people and the "corrupt" (from their point of view, which is starting to look disturbingly accurate) West.

I think we could perfectly well co-exist with, say, the Islamic Republic of Iran. (applying the 'Good fences, good neighbours' doctrine)

Quantrill

2004-05-11 00:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]That is true, they shouldnÃÂ´t send their people here.

I think we could perfectly well co-exist with, say, the Islamic Republic of Iran. (applying the 'Good fences, good neighbours' doctrine)[/QUOTE] I agree, as long as the "good fence" is very sturdy. As long as they knew that aggression would be repelled, then yes, I think a Christian state and an Islamic state could coexist. The idea of a Christian society existing while having a large contingent of Muslims within it, however, I must consign to the realm of fantasy.

Paleoleftist

2004-05-11 01:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Quantrill]I agree, as long as the "good fence" is very sturdy. As long as they knew that aggression would be repelled, then yes, I think a Christian state and an Islamic state could coexist. The idea of a Christian society existing while having a large contingent of Muslims within it, however, I must consign to the realm of fantasy.[/QUOTE]

With this I am 100 % in agreement.

Gabrielle

2004-05-14 02:14 | User Profile

This is just what I meant:

"The fundamental message of William Golding's book, Lord of the Flies: without the unifying themes of society to hold us together, we lose our values, morals, ethics and everything else that separates us from the savagery found in the animal world. American society has broken down, what with our underlying European ethos having been systematically dismantled. Should we be so surprised now to find ourselves engaged in a discussion concerning our lost morality with a figurative severed head, impaled upon a stick (the Lord of the Flies namesake)? Abu Ghraib prison is that severed head and we surely are as lost as those boys, because it now is, and forever will be, a part of us and our America. Thanks, George.

I have been railing against the Bush Administration for so long that many actually think I am a liberal. Some Democrats actually say nice things about me in their on-line forums, much to my chagrin. My first calls for Bush's ouster, over a year ago, resulted in a great many nasty emails from Bush supporters. A few months later, I wrote IMPEACH BUSH NOW, which produced measurably less hate mail. Today, I can say anything I want with no backlash. Why, some of those former hate emailers are starting to apologize and throw in with me. "

Even this liberal lawyer is after Bush and claims the Jews had nothing to do with any of this:

"As evidence of the depraved nature of these photographs and videos, many porn sites now are carrying them. Some even go so far as to blame American Jewish pornographers for the very occurrence of the depravities photographed ([url]www.aztlan.net/rape_of_iraq.htm[/url]), though even I find that to be a bit of a stretch.

Wayne Madsen, Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, notes the "mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison." (The Israeli Torture Template, Wayne Madsen, CounterPunch, May 10, 2004). Madsen quotes an unnamed "political appointee within the Bush administration" as stating that, "Many of the torture methods were developed by the Israelis over many years of interrogating Arab prisoners on the occupied West Bank and in Israel itself."

Yes, it may be easy to blame this latest travesty on Israel, just as so many things properly are attributed to that tail that wags the American dog, but this is the sort of thing that simply cannot be laid off onto another by anybody in the chain of command."

[url]http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/flies.htm[/url]

Sojourner

2004-05-14 03:36 | User Profile

[url]www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=44927&d=14&m=5&y=2004[/url]

Friday, 14, May, 2004 (25, Rabi` al-Awwal, 1425)

What Might Sharon Know About CACI?

Sarah Whalen, Arab News Ã¢â¬â

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana, 14 May 2004 Ã¢â¬â IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s Prime Minister Ariel Sharon reportedly canceled his scheduled meeting with US President George Bush last week. The press speculated that Sharon, whose Likud Party rejected his Gaza Palestinian Ã¢â¬ÅministateÃ¢â¬Â vision, did not want to meet Bush without a plan in hand.

Funny. This has never stopped Sharon from traveling before. Maybe Sharon doesnÃ¢â¬â¢t want to answer any questions about the only thing Americans are talking about right now Ã¢â¬â US abuse, torture, and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners.

What might Sharon know about that?

Right now, Americans are so mesmerized by those photos, which daily increase in number and luridness, that the facts of who did what and who knew what, and just what the Ã¢â¬ÅheyÃ¢â¬Â and worse went on in those prisons, are just dribbling out, like water from a leaky faucet.

What might Sharon know? He might know whether the four Ã¢â¬ÅcontractÃ¢â¬Â interrogators identified as the foremost abusers Ã¢â¬â John Israel, Steven Stephanowicz, Torin Nelson, and Adel Nakha Ã¢â¬â were trained in their Ã¢â¬ÅcraftÃ¢â¬Â in Israel, or by Israelis.

Initial news reports indicate that two companies, Titan of San Diego, California, and California Analysis Center Incorporated (CACI, pronounced Ã¢â¬ÅkhakiÃ¢â¬Â) of Arlington, Virginia, employed these now-notorious Ã¢â¬Åcontractors.Ã¢â¬Â But Titan and CACI themselves reportedly deny being their Ã¢â¬ÅdirectÃ¢â¬Â employers. And Titan and CACI refuse to identify who is.

What might Sharon know? Well, surely he knows that CACI was founded in the 1960s by Herbert Kerr and Harry Markowitz, a Chicago Jew, who worked together at The Rand Corporation in the 1950s. Markowitz, a mathematics genius with a Ph.d. from the University of Chicago, received the 1990 Nobel prize in economics (shared) for his theory of Ã¢â¬Åportfolio choice,Ã¢â¬Â which allows market investors to analyze risk as well as their expected return. But Markowtiz and KerrÃ¢â¬â¢s work at Rand was in computer matrix codes with industrial and defense applications. This is the work that CACI still does now. With creative innovations, apparently.

What might Sharon know?

Sharon certainly knows that in February 2004, the Jerusalem Fund of Aish Ha Torah, a Zionist Ã¢â¬Åworldwide foundationÃ¢â¬Â specializing in Ã¢â¬Åeducational outreach,Ã¢â¬Â according to CACIÃ¢â¬â¢s own press release, gave CACI its Albert Einstein award Ã¢â¬Åfor promoting peace in the Middle East.Ã¢â¬Â CACIÃ¢â¬â¢s CEO, Jack London, was presented the award by IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in a glittering, elaborate ceremony at the Jerusalem City Hall. The ceremony was billed as part of the Ã¢â¬ÅFirst Annual Defense Aerospace Homeland Security Mission of Peace to Israel and Jordan.Ã¢â¬Â

CACI executives and other attendees were reportedly invited to Jordan in conjunction with the award ceremony.

What might Sharon know?

Well, Sharon must know that Ã¢â¬Åother speakers and participantsÃ¢â¬Â included Robert Liscouski, assistant secretary for infrastructure protection at the US Department of Homeland Security; US Senators Evan Bayh (Indiana Democrat) and Bill Nelson (Florida Democrat) of the Senate Armed Services Committee; and US Congressmen John Linder (Georgia Republican) and John McHugh (New York Republican) of the House Armed Services Committee.

What else might Sharon know?

Sharon surely knows that the Jerusalem FundÃ¢â¬â¢s CACI award reportedly recognized CACIÃ¢â¬â¢s Ã¢â¬Åtechnological achievements in areas of defense and national security.Ã¢â¬Â

One wonders: Does this include the kind of torture and abusive Ã¢â¬ÅinnovationsÃ¢â¬Â so clearly documented in the uncontroverted and undeniable photographic record?

What else might Sharon know?

Sharon might know that the stated purpose of this US-Israeli get-together, which CACI calls a Ã¢â¬Åmission,Ã¢â¬Â was to promote Ã¢â¬Åopportunities for strategic partnerships and joint ventures between US and Israeli Defense and Homeland Security companies.Ã¢â¬Â While in Israel, the Ã¢â¬ÅmissionÃ¢â¬â¢sÃ¢â¬Â participants reportedly attended Ã¢â¬Åhigh-level briefings and demonstrations on innovative technologies and their applications to homeland security, counterterrorism, and national defense.Ã¢â¬Â

Wow! No wonder the Pentagon has no idea of what is going on in Iraq. ItÃ¢â¬â¢s all in the hands of CACI and Israel!

What else might Sharon know? He might know that CACI views its role in the joint partnership between the US and Israel Ã¢â¬Åas a provider of information technologies for helping fight the war on terrorism,Ã¢â¬Â and plans to Ã¢â¬Åtransform the Middle East from a source of global instability into a peaceful, stable region.Ã¢â¬Â So one must ask: Is the first step toward that goal to undress all the men? How does that work, exactly?

Does Sharon know?

And what do Rumsfeld and Bush know? Because CACI does not work alone, no. CACI itself proclaims that Ã¢â¬ÅCACI works directly with the US Department of Defense and the US intelligence community.Ã¢â¬Â

CACI itself describes its Ã¢â¬ÅcomittmentÃ¢â¬Â to Ã¢â¬ÅAmerica and its alliesÃ¢â¬Â as Ã¢â¬Åintense.Ã¢â¬Â

What does Sharon know?

Sharon clearly knows that by Ã¢â¬Åallies,Ã¢â¬Â CACI means Israel. In July 2002, The Washington Post reported that Bush was told by Laurent Murawiec, a former French Defense Ministry advisor, to sever AmericaÃ¢â¬â¢s alliance with Saudi Arabia, seize its oil fields, and freeze its assets.

And what entity issued MurawiecÃ¢â¬â¢s report?

The Rand Corporation, where the ideas that fuel CACIÃ¢â¬â¢s Middle East Ã¢â¬ÅmissionÃ¢â¬Â first congealed. Rand is the same place that employed neocon theorist Francis Fukuyama who, like CACIÃ¢â¬â¢s Jack London, was similarly honored by Israel and Zionist intelligencia at Tel Aviv UniversityÃ¢â¬â¢s School of Government this past March. In his speech, Fukuyama, a professor at Johns HopkinsÃ¢â¬â¢ School of Advanced International Studies, complained that Muslims are the only group actively resisting his Ã¢â¬Åend of historyÃ¢â¬Â theory about the inevitable rise of pure democracy. Fukuyama told his Zionist audience that the worldÃ¢â¬â¢s most pronounced Ã¢â¬Ådemocracy deficitÃ¢â¬Â is in the Ã¢â¬ÅMuslim Arab countries of the Middle East.Ã¢â¬Â

FukuyamaÃ¢â¬â¢s comments were then elaborated upon by none other than Benjamin Netanyahu, who bounded onto the stage and spoke at length about Middle East Ã¢â¬Återrorism.Ã¢â¬Â

What does Sharon know?

He knows that IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s place as an equal partner in the neocon worldview is assured, thanks to CACIÃ¢â¬â¢s efforts on behalf of Israel. Sharon knows plenty. But right now, heÃ¢â¬â¢ll stay home, and leave the talking to Rumsfeld and Bush.

Oh, but Rumsfeld and Bush have only just now seen those photographs, and only recently read the reports, right?

So they say.

The investigations, Rumsfeld and Bush assure us, have only just begun

Ruffin

2004-05-14 07:11 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Remember, it's not the Muslim's fault that they're living in the West today. It's the judaized, disgraceful, traitorous White men-elite on both sides of the Atlantic that are fully to blame for any brown invaders.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to underline this truth. I'm all for racial nationalism, but fighting the cause, instead of the symptoms, brown or white, is the essential point.

God bless the Imams who've held onto what we've surrendered!

TexasAnarch

2004-05-14 07:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Mentzer]Far from it.

Try others outwith your race. Then make comment.

Perhaps you fail to understand just how much they hate you? 2. I support George Bush because he is a man...1.

Mentzer.[/QUOTE] 1. [B]HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA[/B]
2. You don't understand how I hate you. and everyone of your ilk. go with berg, you would look fine togethjer. Try to keep your head about you, though! Heads UP! Nuyk Nuyk Nuyk ("nick", get it?)

Smedley Butler

2004-05-14 07:49 | User Profile

Ruffin, yes telling other that itz important for the seeking of the cause's of our problems, is the simplest way to resist and wake up whites. If we are to have any hope to stop the final destruction of U.S. or the gulaging U.S. as it gets really rough going in the near future. The open borders are simply a race war against whites in of N.A. and we are not resisting in mass yet........

TexasAnarch

2004-05-14 09:43 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle] Think carefully! What it AWAYS gets down to is blaming Bush! This was planned along time ago, just to bring down Bush. I guarantee you that Kerry will be a ** million** times worse. This is the leftÃ¢â¬â¢s dream come true - all of the WNs, right wingers, and many Christians will throw their votes away on some third candidate (and consequently hand the presidency to the jew, Kerry). Once again, our people are being led by the nose, and they have no idea! After these mostly bogus photos have accomplished what they were supposed to do, guess what? Some hard-hitting reporter will discover that they were staged. Wag the Dog, all over again.[/QUOTE]

Of course its Wag The Dog all over again. The same ones who did it to Clinton ... that was a pre-run, as I have been pointing out for some time, but knew the stupidity of americans who 'got it' on the triple-take would chime in after it was too late. "With the truth so far off, what good would it do." (Dylan, Jokerman, about Reagan)

It won't take "hard hitting reporters" to point out the photoes are fake, dearie. The Boston Globe has already admitted it, for those it showed last Sunday. Wonder how that happened. What do you make of that? .. I mean, now.

Well, there is a Jew connection to Abu Guhraib. Been covered up. Llyndie England's chain of command was infected. That's how the nice pictures broke. Towelheads in panties! Lawd hep' us if that's not american (note: little a to imply "asshole" -- asshole americans, like those who vote for evil). The right wing bastards that ordered the killing of Koresh played tapes of rabbits screeching in terror while they got their bellies slit down thar in Waco, helped the people inside his military compound there sleep at night, until they burned 'em out, holycaust style. Then that google eyed little bastard from Texas in the U.S. House of Representatives goes over and gives ATF head man Wm. "the Conqueror" Sessions one of those "that'sa my man" man's man being manly pat on nationwide TV. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Six Berg-head helium baloons for his next birthday.

Abu Ghuraib had American written all over it. Spelled "J - E - W". That's why the first thing Bush cried was "THAT'S NOT AMERICAN". But he was hardly heard. Until they de brought out da Cheese (berg). "AMERICAN BEHEADED!" Everybody said it. Videotape said it was payback for Abu Ghuraib, but George Will and Senator Shumer, or whoever it was, say, well, its Al-Zuquartschwartz, all right, $10,000,000 Uncle Sam greenbacks out on the dude, makes Top 10 Most Wanted list look like the FBI is trying to catch criminals on the cheap. Unpatriotic bastartds. Also once called "the yankee dollar". Now, its the yankee schekel with a freckle. Because then we learn the [B]AMERICAN BEHEADED WAS A JEW[/B] . Get it? everybody else does, at some level. It isn't America torturing Arabs, it's [B]ISLAMIC TERRORISTS KILLING AMERICAN JEWS[/B] . So Bush can bash that. Horrific. Not what we do. we're 'mercuns. (if you go with him/them)

I know you secretly admire Llyndie. I do too. I'll help you her with her. It'll be fun once you get into it, and you won't remember a thing. Try it! You'll like it. Start out slow by torturing some rabbits and listen to how they scream! I guess you would call it screaming. Wonder what the children in Waco called it before they fried or got shot, with the sound of that heraldic, heroic, angelic, right wing music swelling in their breasts. You see, Nickki died for you. His dad said he died for Bush and Rumsfeld's sins, and, by god, if its good enough for them it shouod cover you too. Your sins are all forgiven, gabrielle. Now go vote, like the good little girl you are.

I'll agree KerryKohn can't be prez. Even if some call him that, like they do jorge boy.

Gabrielle

2004-05-14 13:25 | User Profile

Of course its Wag The Dog all over again. The same ones who did it to Clinton ... that was a pre-run, as I have been pointing out for some time, but knew the stupidity of americans who 'got it' on the triple-take would chime in after it was too late. "With the truth so far off, what good would it do." (Dylan, Jokerman, about Reagan)

Wrong, ClintonÃ¢â¬â¢s war (jewÃ¢â¬â¢s war) was presented and perceived as good. The Iraq war (jewÃ¢â¬â¢s war) was presented as very good, and, now that they are done with Bush, it has become bad. Remember Kerry, our great jewish choice between Bush? He was all for the war once upon a timeÃ¢â¬Â¦(Yes, this IS the same Kerry who recently declared that IsraelÃ¢â¬â¢s interest are our [AmericansÃ¢â¬â¢] interestsÃ¢â¬Â¦)

It won't take "hard hitting reporters" to point out the photoes are fake, dearie. The Boston Globe has already admitted it, for those it showed last Sunday. Wonder how that happened. What do you make of that? .. I mean, now.

In case you missed what I said earlier, I believe all of these photos were staged and were planned long ago. TheyÃ¢â¬â¢re still claiming that, for the most part the photos are all real.

Well, there is a Jew connection to Abu Guhraib. Been covered up. Llyndie England's chain of command was infected. That's how the nice pictures broke. Towelheads in panties! Lawd hep' us if that's not american (note: little a to imply "asshole" -- asshole americans, like those who vote for evil). The right wing bastards that ordered the killing of Koresh played tapes of rabbits screeching in terror while they got their bellies slit down thar in Waco, helped the people inside his military compound there sleep at night, until they burned 'em out, holycaust style. Then that google eyed little bastard from Texas in the U.S. House of Representatives goes over and gives ATF head man Wm. "the Conqueror" Sessions one of those "that'sa my man" man's man being manly pat on nationwide TV. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Ã¢â¬Åasshole americans, like those who vote for evilÃ¢â¬Â So people who bother to vote are assholes? LOL, you are too much. Well letÃ¢â¬â¢s see what you non-assholes, who have had the last four years to find a man, support him, and flood the internet and newspapers, and TV Ã¢â¬â if you were truly concerned about America. I mean, if you do-gooders finally banned together and made an effort, maybe something could be accomplishedÃ¢â¬Â¦did you? Of course not - you just sat on your ass and left this election wide open for another Bush or leftist jew. And, if you care to remember, it was Janet Reno who had control of Waco; and Billy was watching right on TV, like everyone else Ã¢â¬â a lot different than some sadistic lunatics carrying out sadistic plans in secret Ã¢â¬â not being publicized or broadcasted, thousands of miles away (taking for granted that these claims are even realÃ¢â¬Â¦). The leftist Clinton could have and SHOULD have stopped Waco immediately. But you already knew that, didnÃ¢â¬â¢t you?

Abu Ghuraib had American written all over it. Spelled "J - E - W". That's why the first thing Bush cried was "THAT'S NOT AMERICAN". But he was hardly heard. Until they de brought out da Cheese (berg). "AMERICAN BEHEADED!" Everybody said it. Videotape said it was payback for Abu Ghuraib, but George Will and Senator Shumer, or whoever it was, say, well, its Al-Zuquartschwartz, all right, $10,000,000 Uncle Sam greenbacks out on the dude, makes Top 10 Most Wanted list look like the FBI is trying to catch criminals on the cheap. Unpatriotic bastartds. Also once called "the yankee dollar". Now, its the yankee schekel with a freckle. Because then we learn the AMERICAN BEHEADED WAS A JEW . Get it? everybody else does, at some level. It isn't America torturing Arabs, it's ISLAMIC TERRORISTS KILLING AMERICAN JEWS . So Bush can bash that. Horrific. Not what we do. we're 'mercuns. (if you go with him/them)

WowÃ¢â¬Â¦thatÃ¢â¬â¢s a lot of words, and a little, tiny bit of senseÃ¢â¬Â¦tex, you gotta stay out of the sun Ã¢â¬â itÃ¢â¬â¢s addling your brainÃ¢â¬Â¦

I know you secretly admire Llyndie. I do too. I'll help you her with her. It'll be fun once you get into it, and you won't remember a thing. Try it! You'll like it. Start out slow by torturing some rabbits and listen to how they scream! I guess you would call it screaming. Wonder what the children in Waco called it before they fried or got shot, with the sound of that heraldic, heroic, angelic, right wing music swelling in their breasts. You see, Nickki died for you. His dad said he died for Bush and Rumsfeld's sins, and, by god, if its good enough for them it shouod cover you too. Your sins are all forgiven, gabrielle. Now go vote, like the good little girl you are.

TexasAnarch , you are an emotional male who is incapable of having an intelligent discussion without losing itÃ¢â¬Â¦ By the way, Ã¢â¬ÅI'll help you her with herÃ¢â¬Â makes no sense whatsoever, so I have no clue what youÃ¢â¬â¢re trying to say there... As far as voting for the lesser of Ã¢â¬Ëtwo evils,Ã¢â¬â¢ thatÃ¢â¬â¢s all we have. ** That is reality, as unpleasant as it seemsÃ¢â¬Â¦And if you holier-than-thou individuals canÃ¢â¬â¢t come to grips with that, then, instead of being such hypocrites, you have the next** four years to choose and work for a new presidential candidate (and, if heÃ¢â¬â¢s worth his snuff, or better than the other candidates, and has a shot in heck of winning, IÃ¢â¬â¢ll vote for him). But, of course, righteous morons like you never doÃ¢â¬Â¦instead, you sit on your butt and whine like a helpless child.

I'll agree KerryKohn can't be prez. Even if some call him that, like they do jorge boy.

No vote is as good as a vote for KerryÃ¢â¬Â¦and if you think heÃ¢â¬â¢s better than Bush, I hope you never get the chance to see how wrong you are Ã¢â¬â not because it would affect you and yours (after all, thatÃ¢â¬â¢s what you want, thatÃ¢â¬â¢s what you deserve), but because it will affect everyone else, tooÃ¢â¬Â¦ If voting was useless, the jews wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t spend the time and money that they do to get people to vote the way they want Ã¢â¬â the democrats, not the republicans, wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t have the dead voting; they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t go to colleges and get the kids there to vote four or five times each; they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t pay hobos with liquor and cigarettes to go vote; they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t go to black neighborhoods with buses and taxies to take them to vote democratÃ¢â¬Â¦ Get it through your head: VOTING MATTERS, STUPID! If it didnÃ¢â¬â¢t, they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t bother cheating Ã¢â¬â they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t bother at all!

Mentzer

2004-05-15 04:14 | User Profile

TexasAnarch

I suggest you be careful before you associate me with what was once called Berg. You have no idea. You are deficient in that basic faculty.

Your hatred is not my concern. But you make a habit of misplacing your anger.

You will not lecture me on your inexperienced views. Have you confronted the enemy face-to-face? Forget the question I have no interest.

I fear no Jew, Muslim or Roman Catholic. And anarchists make me laugh. And I do laugh - at the little puppy-dogs.

Mentzer

TexasAnarch

2004-05-15 05:41 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Wrong Get it through your head: VOTING MATTERS, STUPID! [/QUOTE]

Paul Krugman noted back in November, I think it was, after it became clear Bush had lied about Nigerian yellowcake to hype going to war, that the '04 election would be "corrupted, perhaps irreparably," without an accounting. There has been none. On the contrary; as more lies have come to light, including, now, the staged beheading of Berg to justify torture, the more irreparably corrupted the situation becomes, cancelling any positive reason to vote for anything whatsoever that this manipulated, controlled, dysfunctional system delivers. Anyone who does is already beheaded, if you follow my drift here, and can't wait to behead others who won't show they are as equally depraved. That's why you have to vote. Well, go vote. Just don't say "we" afterward. You will be an enemy of America's true well being, but, since beheaded, unable to get it up to protest anymore, like you should have Vietnam, if you had been old enough. You will never be good enough to make up for what that lame brain baby boomer generation failed to do when they had a chance, namely, stand up to the little a americans, evident, even then. (Kissinger, later Weinberger, Perle in defense, etc.) I could never be much of a "lefty", but sure as hell knew from stupid righties such as wound up at Free Republic and elsewhere, like, from forever. A kind of stink, I guess. Like dried blood and decayed flesh, always the memoirs of porno Republican administrations, in case you hadn't noticed. To blame Waco on Janet Reno and Clinton, when they were both blindsided, and the right wing decided they wanted queers in the military to come forth, is typical right-wing porno jewpublican politics. "It happened on their watch." Yeah. ordered by Sessions and the other psychotic killers inside ATF/FBI and elsewhere.

You sound like one of those "[B]WE'RE IN THERE, NOW[/B] types, like Kerry says of Iraq. WE'RE IN THERE NOW. gotta vote.

Well I ain't in there. go with the jews.

Sertorius

2004-05-15 06:53 | User Profile

This came off a "liberal" website. There are audio clips of this jerk saying this. Note the Talmudic hatred.

Savage Nation: It's not just Rush

Talk radio host Michael Savage: "I commend" prisoner abuse; "we need more"

"[T]ake their deepest fear, the pig, the dog, the woman with the leash, and use it on them to break them!"

"Use ... [l]ittle, ugly women. And let 'em take big strapping Iraqis and put 'em on leashes naked."

"Instead of putting joysticks, I would have liked to have seen dynamite put in their orifices."

Since May 4, Media Matters for America has monitored and analyzed radio host Rush Limbaugh's comments on the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military personnel, including his comparison of the abuse to a college fraternity prank; his remark that the U.S. military guards were "having a good time"; and his characterization of the abuse as a "brilliant maneuver."

On May 10, Media Matters for America began monitoring Michael Savage's radio program, Savage Nation, which reaches 6 million listeners per week; we will continue to do so on a daily basis. The following are excerpts from Michael Savage's May 10 and May 11 radio shows, during which he commended the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib (repeatedly referring to it as "Grab-an-Arab" prison); said that "we need more of the humiliation tactics, not less"; and blamed American civilian Nick Berg's death on Senators John Kerry, Chuck Hagel, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton as well as on The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Savage Nation is syndicated by Talk Radio Network and is the third-largest syndicated radio talk show in the nation. He is the author of two New York Times best-sellers, The Savage Nation: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Borders, Language and Culture and The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Schools, Faith, and Military -- both published by the conservative WorldNetDaily press WND Books. Savage hosted a short-lived televised version of his show for MSNBC, also called The Savage Nation, before being fired by the cable channel for referring on the air to a caller as a "sodomite" and saying that the caller should "get AIDS and die."

From the May 10 Savage Nation:

Savage on the Iraqi prisoner abuse photos:

I don't mean to be too comedic in the political arena, but these so called abuse photos frankly are mild by comparisons to what goes on in South of Market clubs in San Francisco.

Savage on why "we need more of the humiliation tactics, not less":

And eventually you're gonna find that we need more of the humiliation tactics, not less. ...

I don't know what its gonna take for you to finally welcome what the troops are doing, what the interrogators were doing until you finally recognize the enemy, the true face of the enemy and what its gonna take to break this death grip that they seem to have on the minds of the Democrats. ...

These people don't fear death, they fear humiliation. The only way to humiliate them is take their deepest fear, the pig, the dog, the woman with the leash, and use it on them to break them!

Savage on the consequences of prohibiting "these interrogation tactics":

What's gonna happen is terrible. What's gonna happen now is even worse that you can imagine. Because these interrogation tactics which were working, by everything I can read, are no longer permissible, you are gonna have an event in this country before the election, and you can thank your friends Levin and Kennedy for that, you can thank all the phonies on the Democrat side for that.

Savage on the utility of the abuse to facilitate intelligence-gathering:

These people live only for their honor, and so the only thing you can withhold from them is their honor. There is the answer as to why you see these graphic pictures. These are not a few individuals who made this up. That's crap. That's crap in my opinion. This came from the top. And how high up it goes I don't know but frankly I commend them for it. It's wise intelligence techniques, to break the enemy where he's vulnerable, not try to get him where he's strong. ...

That's why the women were used! It's a very intelligent method to break the enemy without resorting to thumb-screws and the much more severe methods of torture. ...

I think it's a very good policy, and the more I learn about it I think that it made good sense. Short of real torture, this worked. Use little women in particular. Little, ugly women. And let 'em take big strapping Iraqis and put 'em on leashes naked. ... Get police dogs to bark at naked Iraqis, until they crack and tell you which Ahmed or... [unintelligible mocking of Arab names]

From the May 11 Savage Nation:

Savage on who's to blame for Nick Berg's death:

Nick Berg, an American, not military, over there building transmission towers, was captured by the Untermenschen the sub-humans, who wrap themselves in a religion. He is seen saying his mother's name, his father's name, sister's name, his brother's name and then the smiling Arabs cut a living human beings head off as he screams. It's a blood-curdling scream that you'll ever hear again. You'll never get it out of your mind if you're a normal person, or you're not given to murder or you've never been around murder. Uh, it's something you'll never forget, not should you ever forget it and you can thank the Democrats, you can thank the Senate Arms Services Committee for their hysterical hearings. You can thank John Kerry, Chuck Hagel, Biden, The New York Times, the alphabet channels and The Washington Post for this atrocity because they caused it.

Savage on Senator Dayton, liberals' reaction to abuse:

There was nobody worse today than Senator Mark Dayton, Democrat of Minnesota as he calls putting panties in the head of cold blooded murderers atrocities. Listen to clip six.

DAYTON: Thank you Mr. Chairman, and I thank you Mr. Chairman for holding today's hearings and for your resolve to face these atrocities. You're an honorable man.

Shut this atrocity up. Mark Dayton is a human atrocity for saying this, but he's really just a little cog in the wheel of Liberalism. I used to say that Liberalism is a mental disorder. I don't think it's a mental disorder. Nope. I think it's far worse than that. I think this kind of Liberalism is suicidal behavior. An act of suicidal behavior.

Savage on Democrats and the media:

Carl Levin and Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton, The New Yorker, CBS have destroyed the war effort against terror. And if, God forbid, a suitcase bomb goes off you'll know who to blame. I'm -- hey I'm not going to mince words, there's no grey zone here. It's black and white, it's them versus us and the enemy within on their side.

Savage on the media going "over to the enemy's side":

I would like to give a medal to everybody at Grab-an-Arab [sic] prison for showing constraint. Every one of these American soldiers should be given an award for having restrained themselves, for what you see today is a direct result of the political correctness that is defeating this nation. ...

The scum at CBS, the filthy vermin at MSNBC are reporting that this beheading is revenge for the abuse at Grab-an-Arab prison, which means that the scum at CNN, the verminist traitors at MSNBC have gone over to the enemy's side.

Savage on what should be done to the Iraqi prisoners:

And I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow. I think a thousand of them held in the Iraqi prison should be given 24 hour -- a trial and executed. I think they need to be shown that we are not going to roll over to them. It won't happen. It won't happen because of the CBS Communists. It won't happen because of the CNN traitors. I won't happen because of the MSNBC empty heads. And we the people are the ones who are going to suffer today. ...

Instead of putting joysticks, I would have liked to have seen dynamite put in their orifices and they should be dropped from airplanes. How's that? You like that one? Go call somebody that you want to report me to, see if I care. They should put dynamite in their behinds and drop them from 35,000 feet, the whole pack of scum out of that jail. Thank you CBS. Thank you New Yorker. Thank you Carl Levin. Thank you Ted Kennedy. Thank you Hillary Clinton. I'm sure that Mr. Berg's parents appreciate what you've done for them. I'll be right back.

Savage on the media's "hatred for our soldiers":

And the vermin on the Left will make sure -- because I know them in the newsrooms, they're very evil, they're very dangerous. The vermin in the newsroom -- newsrooms who control it all -- and there's only a few of them. Just remember that. You're talking about four or five outlets with maybe one czar -- or two czars rather, three maybe, at the top, in control of the news. They're all the product of the '60s. They're vehemently anti-military. Vehemently anti-war. And ultimately suicidal. And they are dangerous for your children and other living creatures. If they airbrush the enemy, and they have sympathy for the enemy, and they paint horns on our soldiers, and have hatred for our soldiers. And if the enemy is willing to die for their cause, and our administration is not even willing to kill for our survival we are going to lose this war against radical Islam or Islamofascism.

Savage on stopping Hillary Clinton before "she kills more [Nick] Bergs":

And there's nothing more we can say other than if there's any way to send a letter to Hillary Clinton and tell her to stop it before she kills more [Nick] Bergs, I would appreciate it Reggie.

Ã¢â¬â N.C. & S.M.

Posted to the web on Thursday May 13, 2004 at 5:05 PM EST

[url=http://mediamatters.org/items/200405130004]http://mediamatters.org/items/200405130004[/url]

Yep, Mr. Weiner lives up to his radio name to a "t." I wonder if he has relatives that were in the Cheka by any chance?

Gabrielle

2004-05-15 18:39 | User Profile

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/boo...s.ap/index.html[/url]

"Moore's film criticizes President George W. Bush's handling of the September 11 terrorist attacks and connects the Bush family with Osama bin Laden's."

Look what time they're hoping to release this for...re-election time! Somebody's got it in for Bush, and that's a fact...

Valley Forge

2004-05-16 00:27 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle][url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/boo...s.ap/index.html[/url]

"Moore's film criticizes President George W. Bush's handling of the September 11 terrorist attacks and connects the Bush family with Osama bin Laden's."

Look what time they're hoping to release this for...re-election time! Somebody's got it in for Bush, and that's a fact...[/QUOTE]

Are you suggesting that racialists should vote Bush this November because the Jews are ready to throw Bush aside?

il ragno

2004-05-16 04:35 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Nick Berg, an American..... was captured by the [B]Untermenschen the sub-humans, who wrap themselves in a religion[/B]...... And I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow. [/QUOTE]

Talk about yer Freudian slips -! I guess it takes one to know one - eh, Weiner?

Lord knows a thousand dead Jews per day would nullify the need for a Clean Air Act inside of a month.

Smedley Butler

2004-05-16 06:02 | User Profile

I only catch Rabbi Savage on my vechicle's radio 2-3 times a month, and when I listen to this fudgepacking white hating fece mouth, he is always yelling about NAZI's, holycost, lampshades, work/labor camps for U.S. and so much more..

Rabbi Savage is an example of what lieing Santanic beast's have taken U.S. over. His type murdered Christian Russia and murdered the Head of the Holy Orthadox Christian church the Holy Czar, then proceeded to rule mother Russian with pure murder and terror unknown in human history.. 65 million whites Christians died because the WEST let the Czar be murdered.

Read John. 8:44 to understand exactly what U.S. media is today. Any one who has not read [url]www.ussliberty.org[/url] please do, especially if you are white.

2600

2004-05-16 06:09 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]VOTING MATTERS, STUPID! If it didnÃ¢â¬â¢t, they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t bother cheating Ã¢â¬â they wouldnÃ¢â¬â¢t bother at all![/QUOTE]

[I]THEY[/I] don't need to bother at all-simply because people still believe that voting matters.

This is not Germany in the 1930s; the Jews and their allies will NEVER AGAIN (ah, those words, those words!) allow power to be taken from them via peaceful, 'legal' means.

Valley Forge

2004-05-16 23:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=2600][I]THEY[/I] don't need to bother at all-simply because people still believe that voting matters.

This is not Germany in the 1930s; the Jews and their allies will NEVER AGAIN (ah, those words, those words!) allow power to be taken from them via peaceful, 'legal' means.[/QUOTE]

Exactly why voting doesn't matter.

Gabrielle

2004-08-03 13:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Are you suggesting that racialists should vote Bush this November because the Jews are ready to throw Bush aside?[/QUOTE]

That is only one reason. I am suggesting that we vote for Bush because he is the only reasonable choice we have this time around.