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Thread ID: 13471 | Posts: 40 | Started: 2004-04-30
2004-04-30 22:06 | User Profile
Here's what the entire world is seeing. What a horror...
[url]http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/tortured_iraqi_prisoners.html[/url]
2004-04-30 22:30 | User Profile
This is about the most utterly stupid tactic the US Military has yet come up with. Cant think of what can be dumber than this (and thats saying something given the number of dumb things theyve done in Iraq so far).
2004-04-30 23:16 | User Profile
I feel so sorry for the Arabs. :yawn:
That little squirt in the second picture has nothing near a military haircut.
Screw the Arabs. They are presently invading Europe.
Bush gets my vote because his administration is so wonderfully destabilizing.
2004-05-01 00:02 | User Profile
Had I heard that story without seeing the pics, I would have been inclined to believe itôs Baathist propaganda.
Those Marquis de Sade reenactments make it hard for me to accept Iôm actually awake and seeing this. Our Civilization is going down the river, and it becomes increasingly hard to convince oneself it is not actually deserving to go down the river. :yucky:
2004-05-01 00:13 | User Profile
After the US troops and contractors learnt that Andrew Sullivan was a big supporter of the President -- maybe they took it the wrong way?
2004-05-01 00:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]Had I heard that story without seeing the pics, I would have been inclined to believe itôs Baathist propaganda.
Those Marquis de Sade reenactments make it hard for me to accept Iôm actually awake and seeing this. Our Civilization is going down the river, and it becomes increasingly hard to convince oneself it is not actually deserving to go down the river. :yucky:[/QUOTE]
Do you think this is worse than bombing cities?
2004-05-01 00:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I feel so sorry for the Arabs. :yawn:
That little squirt in the second picture has nothing near a military haircut.
Screw the Arabs. They are presently invading Europe.
Bush gets my vote because his administration is so wonderfully destabilizing.[/QUOTE]They might be invading Europe to get away from the mess the US and Israel has created in the Middle East. If you were an Arab, would you want to live in Palestine or in one of the Muslim dictatorships propped up by the JewSA?
2004-05-01 01:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Do you think this is worse than bombing cities?[/QUOTE]No, bombing cities is more abominable, especially when it's done without cause (as was the case in this war). But somehow the sort of behavior behind those photos seems more disgraceful because it demonstrates a more personal kind of dishonorable cowardice on the part of ZOG's thugs.
2004-05-01 01:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Do you think this is worse than bombing cities?[/QUOTE]
More decadent at least. Also, pilots bombing a city are following orders and not doing it of their own volition.
I mean, has military discipline broken down over there, or are sado-maso orgies with unwilling participants now taught at some training camp??? :shocking:
2004-05-01 02:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu] Screw the Arabs. They are presently invading Europe. [/QUOTE] Yes, they are, but the Europeans are letting them, just like the Americans are giving away the store to the Mexicans. What does it say about a civilization when it has totally lost the will to propagate itself? We in the West have below replacement level birth rates, we are ignorant of our own history, we allow ourselves to be swamped by third-worlders, and we loathe our own culture and religion. These perversions by the Imperial Legions demonstrate how far we have fallen as a civilization.
2004-05-01 02:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]They might be invading Europe to get away from the mess the US and Israel has created in the Middle East. If you were an Arab, would you want to live in Palestine or in one of the Muslim dictatorships propped up by the JewSA?[/QUOTE]
The reason they are colonizing Europa is because they have a very high birthrate and there are opportunities aplenty in Europa, not to mention better weather. Hell, they're flooding in because just by entering Europa their personal wealth increases 100 fold. In France there are whole cities turning stinking moslem.
We don't control Kaddafy yet France is full of Libyans.
The only fault that can be laid at the door of the West is our failure, as a people, to be nationalistic and throw the dirty buggers out, or bury them in the ocean.
2004-05-01 02:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]No, bombing cities is more abominable, especially when it's done without cause (as was the case in this war). But somehow the sort of behavior behind those photos seems more disgraceful because it demonstrates a more personal kind of dishonorable cowardice on the part of ZOG's thugs.[/QUOTE]
Thoroughly disgraceful and sickening but good in that this little slice of ZOG tactics (nothing at all new) has traumatized the equally sickening, in its shameful self-deception, idea AmeriKwa has of itself. Today, AmeriKwa has a self-image problem, squirted out by ZOG's own organ.
2004-05-01 03:07 | User Profile
What Europe needs is a George Bush.
Or even better: a modern Otto von Bismarck.
To fight for one's country is a privilege not a privation. But everone must take their turn. And if the pampered die on the battlefield - so be it.
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2004-05-01 03:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Yes, they are, but the Europeans are letting them, just like the Americans are giving away the store to the Mexicans. What does it say about a civilization when it has totally lost the will to propagate itself? We in the West have below replacement level birth rates, we are ignorant of our own history, we allow ourselves to be swamped by third-worlders, and we loathe our own culture and religion. These perversions by the Imperial Legions demonstrate how far we have fallen as a civilization.[/QUOTE]
Europe is the homeland. With its fall everything is lost. It hasn't fallen yet. There is still hope... some, a little.
2004-05-01 03:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]More decadent at least. Also, pilots bombing a city are following orders and not doing it of their own volition.
I mean, has military discipline broken down over there, or are sado-maso orgies with unwilling participants now taught at some training camp??? :shocking:[/QUOTE]
I wonder about that little punk in the second photo with his unmilitary haircut.
2004-05-01 03:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]What Europe needs is a George Bush.
Or even better: a modern Otto von Bismarck.
To fight for one's country is a privilege not a privation. But everone must take their turn. And if the pampered die on the battlefield - so be it.
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Excuse me but do you know why Dubya is speech impaired?
Because he is always choking on Izzies' organ rammed down his throat.
2004-05-01 03:38 | User Profile
Excuse me?
What is an 'Izzies organ'?
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2004-05-01 03:59 | User Profile
Bardamu
You may wish to give me a hint as to the meaning? Yes?
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2004-05-01 04:14 | User Profile
Question, is that one star woman army general, who was in charge of the F troop outfit that did the torture, a lesbian and or a jew? The photo of a woman of the U.S. Army that was pointing at the Naked Iraqi, and it is my guess/experience she is a dkye. When I was in the service No women were any where but in office's or medical units. As all of this happens the Conservative sites are watched more closely, and our borders are still open, and the Central NKVD installed Central government does not want the full fledged non-white invasion stopped of U.S., and has gone after every patriot group on the Border to mess with and arrest them.. The non-white invaders are in every county in the U.S. now, and they are arrogant towards Whites. As more whites are homeless. Tyranny is by a Marxist government, that is very anti-white. The white elites in this country are as guilty as any one too.. The white elites have foisted a Class war down on U.S.......
2004-05-01 04:51 | User Profile
Unfortunately many American women act and appear as dykes. I am sure most are not. It is the result of weak and queer men that populate the American media and government. They detest the military and are often shocked for no good reason.
Maxim: Be manly - not otherwise.
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2004-05-01 05:02 | User Profile
When, I was in the Army, some enlisted woman told me they could not wait to get out because of Lesbians with rank.. Strait white woman, I have meet, who have been in service in the last 20 years, have told that the service is full of them and would never re-up etc. As to what the facts are, I do not know what they are. I once dated a Navy Lt.R.N. and her female commander caused her all kinds of trouble.....
2004-05-01 05:23 | User Profile
They certainly are devious little dykes. Little perverts in my opinion.
We could do well without them. But they have a habit of squirming their way into places where they are not wanted.
But in liberal countries they seem to breed.
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2004-05-01 08:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I wonder about that little punk in the second photo with his unmilitary haircut.[/QUOTE]
I think that assinine little degenerate is actually female.
2004-05-01 09:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I think that assinine little degenerate is actually female.[/QUOTE]Actually this episode will do more damage to the US and Israel than a thousand Fallujahs combined. It practically confirms everything Osama Bin Laden says about the United States - thats its the land of the great Satan.
Public nudity is considered a great dishonour in the Arab world - much greater than being shot in an alley by an armed "infidel". These pictures are currently being televized by Al Jazeera all over the Muslim world and a million new Al Qaeda cells will emerge from these images.
All a recruiter for the Muslim fundamentalists now has to do is show pictures like these to young arab men and issue a call to avenge the dishonour and humiliation of Muslims.
If the Zionists have intelliegence, they should be shivering in fear at whats coming.
2004-05-01 14:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Excuse me?
What is an 'Izzies organ'?
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What are you some sort of plaster saint? ;)
Skin flute.
2004-05-01 15:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]That little squirt in the second picture has nothing near a military haircut. [/QUOTE]
Looks like a female soldier to me....in which case her mop would be within regulations.
The caption reads:
*Woman with naked Iraqi male.
This will enrage Arabs against western women!*
2004-05-01 18:08 | User Profile
Not just a soldier...a Brig. General!!
2004-05-01 23:43 | User Profile
The woman in the pic is a soldier; one Lynndie England (in case somebody wants to date her :tongue: ).
SOLDIERS IN SHAME
Brigadier General Janis Karpinski
Put in charge of the Iraqi prison system last June, General Karpinski, left, the commander of the 800th military police brigade, is the only female of her rank in Iraq.
Karpinski, who has been suspended,faces possible disciplinary action and could face a court-martial.
Karpinski, 50, is a reservist who served in Saudi Arabia during the 1991 Gulf War. Before her suspension she was in charge of 15 jails and had 3,400 troops under her command. She is married to a lieutenant colonel who is based at the US embassy in Oman.
In civilian life Karpinski runs corporate executive training programmes.
Ivan 'Chip' Frederick, 37, who is among six officers facing a court martial from the 800th brigade's 372nd unit, is a correctional officer who has been in the reserves for 20 years. His lawyer said "higher ranking people" taught him how to humiliate Arabs. Frederick is the only soldier involved in the abuse to have spoken on camera to 60 Minutes.
Lynndie England, 21, is one of the soldiers who were photographed hamming it up in front of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners. She told her mother in January * just before the charges were laid * about potential problems with the prisoners.
Jeremy C Sivits from the same unit, told his father he "was told" to take the pictures.
Sgt Javal S Davis Sgt Davis, 26, who faces court martial, has been in the region since February 2003. His wife Zeenethia, also an army reservist, says he believes he is a scapegoat.
[url]http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=517052[/url]
2004-05-02 00:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Excuse me?
What is an 'Izzies organ'?
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A Jewish penis. That is what Bush generally keeps in his mouth. He prefers Ariel Sharon's, but any available one will do nicely for him.
2004-05-02 00:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CrankyFrank]Not just a soldier...a Brig. General!![/QUOTE]
The placement of the text does seem to imply that "woman" was the Brigadier, but I think its just poor presentation on the part of web site. I can't imagine such a young, scrawny whelp as that having advanced to the rank of General. In one of the pictures, she looks about 15. There's another pic where she looks about 40, which probably means she's in her 30s. That's young for a Lt. Col., let alone a General.
2004-05-02 00:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]Sgt Javal S Davis, 26, who faces court martial, has been in the region since February 2003. His wife Zeenethia, also an army reservist, says he believes he is a scapegoat.[/QUOTE]
While I have little doubt that our de facto President Ariel Sharon himself may have given the green light to these tactics, that doesn't make these "soldiers" scapegoats, but simply co-perpetrators. They should have refused to obey such illegal and disgusting orders.
Note that the names above clearly indicate that this particular soldier was a nigger. While the pictures only show Whites, I'm sure that was part of Izzy's spin on things. Niggers love this kind of wanton cruelty and since most of them have been prisoners at one time or another, it would be smart to recruit a bunch of them to be in charge of POW security....
2004-05-02 01:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]The placement of the text does seem to imply that "woman" was the Brigadier, but I think its just poor presentation on the part of web site. I can't imagine such a young, scrawny whelp as that having advanced to the rank of General. In one of the pictures, she looks about 15. There's another pic where she looks about 40, which probably means she's in her 30s. That's young for a Lt. Col., let alone a General.[/QUOTE]
Brigadier Gen. Janis Karpinski is 50. [url]http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224589166.html[/url]
The female soldier in the torture pic is 21. They are not the same person.
Karpinski didnôt torture anybody, herself. She was in charge of the prison system.
Hope everything is clear now. :smartass:
2004-05-02 11:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Paleoleftist]Brigadier Gen. Janis Karpinski is 50. [url="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224589166.html"]http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224589166.html[/url]
The female soldier in the torture pic is 21. They are not the same person.
Karpinski didnôt torture anybody, herself. She was in charge of the prison system.
Hope everything is clear now. :smartass:[/QUOTE] What the hell are women doing in the Military anyway?
2004-05-02 19:12 | User Profile
Just be comforted by the fact that the fine MPs who didn't get caught will be headed stateside to a town or city near you to join the cops. What makes anyone thin this behavior doesn't happen with cops. US prisons allow male rape as part of the sentence, and to keep the more violent criminals happy.
2004-05-04 04:23 | User Profile
Thanks Kevin,
Now I know what an 'Izzies Organ' means. Never heard of that before now.
The photographs seem unusual. The British Army is facing similar accusations, but the photographs appear doctored. There may be more to this than the eye can tell.
But you will notice the politicians are quick to condemn their soldiers without clear, unbiased, evidence.
It seems the American and European soldier is at the whim of the Arab and the worthless politician of our own lands.
Who would be a soldier? To fight and and die for worthless causes? And be condemed for it by your own people?
Mentzer.
2004-05-04 06:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Just be comforted by the fact that the fine MPs who didn't get caught will be headed stateside to a town or city near you to join the cops. What makes anyone thin this behavior doesn't happen with cops. US prisons allow male rape as part of the sentence, and to keep the more violent criminals happy.[/QUOTE]
It does; I've seen it (albeit not quite as bad as what we saw in Iraq, but I heard some very credible rumours). One time I filed a grievance against a Jewish guard (well, everyone SAID she was Jewish and she was a swarthy, dykey-looking type named "Trbovich" - the missing vowel is intentional - so I'm guessing everyone was correct) and she got reprimanded by her supervisor as a result of my complaint (this is a very rare event; most prisoners, even the smarter White ones, are too unlettered to be able to file a competent grievance). I was subjected to numerous reprisals, of course, but by far the most significant one was when I was placed, alone, in a sort of athletic area one evening (a highly irregular event) and then was joined by another prisoner who was known to be A) a hardened convict going down on a 25-to-life 3-strikes rap and B) HIV positive. He made it pretty clear to me that I'd better cooperate with officer Trbovich if I didn't want to get anally raped by an AIDS carrier. Suffice it to say, I learned to smile at that miserable c*nt....
2004-05-04 06:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]The photographs seem unusual. The British Army is facing similar accusations, but the photographs appear doctored. There may be more to this than the eye can tell.
But you will notice the politicians are quick to condemn their soldiers without clear, unbiased, evidence.[/QUOTE]
You make a solid point, however, many of the American & British soldiers have issued defenses that didn't sound anything like denials. If they were innocent, they would presumably be saying so.
2004-05-04 07:23 | User Profile
British soldiers cannot speak to the press. It goes through a liason officer.
But I understand your meaning.
If this is erroneous and soldiers are attacked and killed due to media indulgence and political outrage inciting mob insurgence, then those same politicians must remove their brave soldiers and resign.
They cannot be allowed to send their men and women into battle and then abandon them. The soldiers must not be blamed for a politician's mistake.
A soldier is a soldier: not a peacemaker or a policeman. And should never be expected to be so. And no professional soldier would commit such stupid indignities towards a prisoner.
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2004-05-04 12:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter Phillips] If the Zionists have intelliegence, they should be shivering in fear at whats coming.[/QUOTE]Arrogance trumps intelligence every time. Ultimately, it trumps self-interest as well. "Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad", etc.
2004-05-04 22:45 | User Profile
Yep, you know our Israeli 'friends" were close by, if not running the show.
Also, no denials, but lots of ass-covering. Come on!! Fox news was talking about torture a few months ago like it was nothing. And, Bush worked overtime at labeling prisoners so they didn't have Geneva Convention rights. That's where "detainees" and "combatants" came from. We knew all along torture was going on, but no proof. Betcha it's a lot worse tahn a few naked bodies being pressed together in simulated sex acts. I suspect anyone refusing to go along would find themselves shot or handed over to the muslims.