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2004-04-29 03:12 | User Profile
[url="http://moderncrusader.blogspot.com/"]http://moderncrusader.blogspot.com/[/url]
Let me know what you think of this Biblical "Armageddonite" website.
2004-04-29 06:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]Let me know what you think of this Biblical "Armageddonite" website.[/QUOTE]
Wow, MC. That's some hard-hitting information you've got there. For what army and on what front are you currently fighting and while doing so how do you find the time to run that site?
2004-04-29 13:39 | User Profile
Why is everybody constantly ridiculing the Crusades? They were one of the high points of Western History. They were not wars of aggression, but rather a belated military response to over 300 years of Muslim aggression. They were not out to conquer new lands, but rather to recapture Christian lands that had been stolen. They were not a fanatical power grab by the Pope, but rather the Byzantine Emperor had sent letters specifically seeking western help. The Crusades did not succeed in keeping the Holy Land, but they did move the battles lines east to the Turk, thereby keeping the Muslims out of Europe for a few hundred years more.
This PC BS makes me want to scream sometimes!
2004-04-29 13:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Why is everybody constantly ridiculing the Crusades? They were one of the high points of Western History. They were not wars of aggression, but rather a belated military response to over 300 years of Muslim aggression. They were not out to conquer new lands, but rather to recapture Christian lands that had been stolen. They were not a fanatical power grab by the Pope, but rather the Byzantine Emperor had sent letters specifically seeking western help. The Crusades did not succeed in keeping the Holy Land, but they did move the battles lines east to the Turk, thereby keeping the Muslims out of Europe for a few hundred years more.
This PC BS makes me want to scream sometimes![/QUOTE]
Belloc makes the point that there was a strategic plan: to cut the extremely narrow trade route through Damascus that linked the Muslim East to the lands of Egypt and North Africa. He opined that had the Crusaders succeeded in doing that, that Islam would have bled to death. But alas, such was not to be.
Walter
2004-04-29 13:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Belloc makes the point that there was a strategic plan: to cut the extremely narrow trade route through Damascus that linked the Muslim East to the lands of Egypt and North Africa. He opined that had the Crusaders succeeded in doing that, that Islam would have bled to death. But alas, such was not to be. [/QUOTE] He discusses that in The Great Heresies, I believe. It was his position also that Islam was a Christian heresy, if I remember correctly. A brilliant man.
2004-04-29 14:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Why is everybody constantly ridiculing the Crusades? They were one of the high points of Western History. They were not wars of aggression, but rather a belated military response to over 300 years of Muslim aggression. They were not out to conquer new lands, but rather to recapture Christian lands that had been stolen. They were not a fanatical power grab by the Pope, but rather the Byzantine Emperor had sent letters specifically seeking western help. The Crusades did not succeed in keeping the Holy Land, but they did move the battles lines east to the Turk, thereby keeping the Muslims out of Europe for a few hundred years more.
This PC BS makes me want to scream sometimes![/QUOTE]Obviously I agree 100%.
2004-04-29 15:16 | User Profile
I wonder what Weapons of Mass Destruction the Muslims had on those days that made the Crusaders go over there?
I wonder if the Crusaders saved the population on those countrys by destroying the cities?
I wonder if instead of oil the Crusaders were going after silk?
Or maybe the Cruzaders went to that part of the world in order to save the Jews? I mean after all, the Muslims were planning on invading England.
2004-04-29 15:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I mean after all, the Muslims were planning on invading England.[/QUOTE] You say this like you think it is a joke. You do realize the Muslims got as far as Spain, France, and Austria, don't you? If they had taken all of Europe, I have not doubt whatsoever that they would have invaded England.
2004-04-29 16:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]The only problem is that today's "Crusade" is being fought not in the name of the West or in the name of Christendom, but in the name of Jewish Supremacism. You must be insane. Ja mein Kamarade. Ich weiB . Tod zu den Juden. Heil Hitler!
Our troops are occupying Iraq and other lands in the Middle East in the name of a Zionist crusade, one which would make the crusaders of yesteryear turn in their graves. Speak for yourself bagel addict. This is a Crusade in the name of Christ and the Holy Bible.
To authentic crusaders, a Jewish-occupied "holy land" would be as intolerable as an Islamic one. I suggest you read the Bible. God gave the land from the Nile to the Euphrates to the Jews. America is for Christians. Israel is for Jews. That's my belief.
2004-04-29 16:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]The only problem is that today's "Crusade" is being fought not in the name of the West or in the name of Christendom, but in the name of Jewish Supremacism. Our troops are occupying Iraq and other lands in the Middle East in the name of a Zionist crusade, one which would make the crusaders of yesteryear turn in their graves. Toauthentic crusaders, a Jewish-occupied "holy land" would be as intolerable as an Islamic one.
Don't let shills like MC exploit nostalgia for yesteryear's glories as an inexpensive way to sell their agendas.[/QUOTE] AY -- I agree completely. I am sorry if I have given you the impression that I share MC's views. His site, Modern Crusader, was so over the top, that I assumed he was mocking the original Crusades themselves, so I defended them.
America's current military aggression is not a modern Crusade at all. How could it be when it is waged by a nation that is no longer truly Christian?
2004-04-29 17:03 | User Profile
MC = :caiphas: = :dung: :dung: :dung:
2004-04-29 17:17 | User Profile
Obviously you're not a Christian.
My fellow Christians and I believe that God and Jesus are the same being. This might be difficult for a non-Christian to understand but see if you can follow me.
The God of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are the same being.
Jesus the Zionist Jew made eternal covenants with the Jews in the Old Testament. The Jews are Jesus's chosen people.
Also you should read Revelation. In Revelation the last remaining Jews are converted to Christianity at the Second Coming.
2004-04-29 18:30 | User Profile
The Crusades were a completely Christian enterprise. In fact, it was quite common during the Crusades for the marauding Crusaders to annhilate Muslims AND Jews. Jews ran for their lives during the Crusades. The idea that the Crusades were a "Judeo-Christian" mission is absolute bollocks.
In fact, in the middle ages in places like Spain, Jews actively collaborated with Muslims and quite often sought refuge in the Muslim world when evicted by Christian Europe.
2004-04-29 18:57 | User Profile
I know that. However times have changed. Now it's Jews and Christians vs. Muslims and Atheists.
2004-04-29 19:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]I know that. However times have changed. Now it's Jews and Christians vs. Muslims and Atheists.[/QUOTE] No, MC. It's Christians vs. the world, just as it has been for the last 2000 years.
2004-04-29 19:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]I know that. However times have changed. Now it's Jews and Christians vs. Muslims and Atheists.[/QUOTE]
Enough with this blasphemy. Jews are NOT God's Chosen ones any longer, their ancient covenant is dead and buried. Christ is the ONLY WAY to the Father in Heaven. As a Christian myself, I have no affinity for the Jews, no obligations to see them keep their Hate State, and I resent have "judeo" in front of my Christianity. Secondly, the Arab Muslims are the ONLY ones who are physically fighting the Satanic Zionist New World Order. The Arab Muslims are being attacked because they dare to live their own lifestyles in their own lands with their own brand of religion. The rest of us are just passing time.
2004-04-29 19:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]No, MC. It's Christians vs. the world, just as it has been for the last 2000 years.[/QUOTE]I definitely agree with you with this caveat.
I don't see Jews as my enemy. I worship a Jew. Jews are God's chosen people.
"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:" (Genesis 12:3)
[u]Revelation 7:2-4[/u]
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
2004-04-29 19:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]No, MC. It's Christians vs. the world, just as it has been for the last 2000 years.[/QUOTE]
Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
2004-04-29 19:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Enough with this blasphemy. Jews are NOT God's Chosen ones any longer, their ancient covenant is dead and buried. SO you don't believe that the Tannakh/Torah was written by The LORD God aka Jesus the Jew?
Christ is the ONLY WAY to the Father in Heaven. This is true. However do you think the LORD would damn his own chosen people to hell? Do you think that The LORD God aka Jesus the Jew would break an eternal promise? I don't.
As a Christian myself, I have no affinity for the Jews Then you are not a real Christian. Christians worship a Jew, in fact a Zionist settler from Bethlehem named Jesus.
no obligations to see them keep their Hate State, and I resent have "judeo" in front of my Christianity. That is because you are of your father the Devil. In order for the Second Coming to take plae the Jewish State of Israel must rebuild the Temple of God. There's a book that explains all of this. I doubt you've heard of it but its' called the Bible and it was written by The LORD of the Jews aka Jesus the Jew.
Secondly, the Arab Muslims are the ONLY ones who are physically fighting the Satanic Zionist New World Order. You are scum. And I mean no offense to scum. I apologize to scum. You are a Satanist and of your father the Devil. You don't worship Jesus the Jew. You worship Adolf Hitler.
The Arab Muslims are being attacked because they dare to live their own lifestyles in their own lands with their own brand of religion. The rest of us are just passing time.[/QUOTE]Is that why the Muslims are murdering people in Thaland? Because of the Jews? You are sick. You need to go see a priests and repent for your Nazi Satanism.
2004-04-29 19:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]The idea that Jews and Christians are brethren fighting against Muslims and "atheists" (as proposed by Brother MC) is too laughable to even debate (considering that to Islamists all "infidels" - be they atheist or Christian, are the enemy, so only an idiot would posit an alliace between "atheists" and Islam). On the contrary only an idiot would deny it. Do you know what Dhimmi means? Obviously not. Dhimmmis are the Atheist useful idiots for the Jihadi terrorists. You are one of them. And so are the rest of your Christ hating Nazi allies.
In the Balkans when Orthodox Christians were at war with Muslims, the most vocal supporters of the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians are and were Jewish liberals and neocons. Wrong. In fact the Neo-Cons were AGAINST Bill Clinton's (Atheist who cliams to be a Baptist) nbombing campaign. It was the Atheist Muslim lvers who were pushing to drop bombs on Christians. And the people you identiy as "Jews" are Atheists and not Bible-believing Jews at all.
the Jew has aided and abetted the Muslims just as the Jews aid and abet the negroes in America. It's only when the Muslim steps on Jewish toes in Israel that the backstabbing Zionists start to make common cause with Christians and westerners. Ja mein Kamarade. Heil Hitler!
And since even MC admits that the struggle during the Crusades was one of Christendom against both Jewry and Islam, I wonder what side he would be on if he were around then. Something tells me the "Zionism" is the dominant note in his "Christian Zionism," and that he would have happily sided with the Jew and the Muslim in the Middle Ages.[/QUOTE]:rolleyes: Whatever you say mein Kamarade. Heil Hitler!
2004-04-29 19:30 | User Profile
When I wrote, "it's Christians vs. the world," I was hoping to bring to mind the teaching that Christians should be in the world, but not of the world. I don't advocate aggression against anyone. However, I will respond with force to anyone or any group that attacks my family, my kin, my people, and my faith.
[quote="Moderate Centrist"]This is true. However do you think the LORD would damn his own chosen people to hell? Do you think that The LORD God aka Jesus the Jew would break an eternal promise? I don't.
God is not damning them to hell. He offers them the same chance to accept Jesus that he offers everyone else.
2004-04-29 19:30 | User Profile
Do you view the Tannakh/Torah as Jewish myth or as the Word of God (Jesus the Jew)?
2004-04-29 19:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]Do you view the Tannakh/Torah as Jewish myth or as the Word of God (Jesus the Jew)?[/QUOTE] Do you view the New Testament as inferior to the Torah or as the Word of God? There are the parables about the vineyard being taken from the wicked husbandmen, about the feast where the originally invited wouldn't come, about the tree that didn't bear fruit. I think Jesus makes it pretty clear that the New Covenant replaces the old one.
2004-04-29 20:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]SO you don't believe that the Tannakh/Torah was written by The LORD God aka Jesus the Jew?
The [B]Old Testament [/B] was written by the Lord God Almighty. I don't call it the Torah.
[QUOTE]This is true. However do you think the LORD would damn his own chosen people to hell?
Um, yes He would and yes He will.
Do you think that The LORD God aka Jesus the Jew would break an eternal promise? I don't.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ freed mankind from the ancient Law. We are saved ONLY through His Blood and His Grace. No works required on the sinners part.
[QUOTE]Then you are not a real Christian. Christians worship a Jew, in fact a Zionist settler from Bethlehem named Jesus.[/QUOTE] You have no clue whatsoever what is inside a person's heart. You are in no way, shape or form qualified to say who's Christian and who's not. FYI :I have a contrite and repentant heart and give all glory to Christ alone. While I'm still a sinner, Christ gives me grace to acknowledge my sins and through the Holy Spirit, He leads me to see and hear His Holy Word. Jews believe the opposite and are waiting for an earthly Messiah. There's no consequences in the Jews' mind to any of his nefarious and sinister actions. They deny Christ so therefore can't be saved. That's clear to anyone who's dealt with Jews.
[QUOTE]That is because you are of your father the Devil. In order for the Second Coming to take plae the Jewish State of Israel must rebuild the Temple of God. There's a book that explains all of this. I doubt you've heard of it but its' called the Bible and it was written by The LORD of the Jews aka Jesus the Jew.[/QUOTE] You sir, by your own words, believe in a grievous HERESY called dispensationalism. THE BIBLE TALKS ONLY OF ONE FINAL JUDGEMENT DAY, not John Scofield's demented interpretation of Christ ruling from Jerusalem for 1000 years. You better get your facts straight and drop your HERETICAL interpretation of The Book of Revelation.
[QUOTE]You are scum. And I mean no offense to scum. I apologize to scum. You are a Satanist and of your father the Devil. You don't worship Jesus the Jew. You worship Adolf Hitler. [/QUOTE]
A so-called Christian like you calling people scum?? mmm. Oh yeah, and by the way, at least Adolph Hitler was honest. Agree or disagree, the man was honest about his plans and wishes for his people. Your hero, Jerry Falwell, on the other hand is sheister and a liar.
Is that why the Muslims are murdering people in Thaland? Because of the Jews? You are sick. You need to go see a priests and repent for your Nazi Satanism.[/QUOTE] First off, I'm a Protestant, so I don't see priests. Secondly, I never said Muslims were all good either. However, they are being attacked in their own lands because they represent a PERCEIVED threat to the HATE STATE ISRAEL and they're also a hinderance to the New World Order because they adhere strictly to Old World traditions, whereas the decadent and debauched jewish-anglo West is drowning in a cesspool of secular humanism and moral relativism. Who are we to judge?
2004-04-29 20:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]The Old Testament was written by the Lord God Almighty. I don't call it the Torah. The New Testament does not abolish the Old Testament. Jesus the Jew is the same LORD God that comamands Moses and the Jews not to murder. Do you think that God would break an eternal promise?
Jesus Christ freed mankind from the ancient Law. No he didn't. Are you free to murder? Are you free to hate Jews? If y odo those things then you do not really believe in Christ and you are of your father the Devil.
We are saved ONLY through His Blood and His Grace. No works required on the sinners part.
You have no clue whatsoever what is inside a person's heart. You are in no way, shape or form qualified to say who's Christian and who's not. FYI :I have a contrite and repentant heart and give all glory to Christ alone. While I'm still a sinner, Christ gives me grace to acknowledge my sins and through the Holy Spirit, He leads me to see and hear His Holy Word. Jews believe the opposite and are waiting for an earthly Messiah. There's no consequences in the Jews' mind to any of his nefarious and sinister actions. They deny Christ so therefore can't be saved. That's clear to anyone who's dealt with Jews. I can tell you hate Jews. This is why I know you are of your father the Devil. Real Christians don't hate anybody, especially God's chosen people. Jesus was a Jew.
You sir, by your own words, believe in a grievous HERESY called dispensationalism. THE BIBLE TALKS ONLY OF ONE FINAL JUDGEMENT DAY, not John Scofield's demented interpretation of Christ ruling from Jerusalem for 1000 years. You better get your facts straight and drop your HERETICAL interpretation of The Book of Revelation. I've read Revelation and the Bible. I can tell some other people here haven't.
Who are we to judge?[/QUOTE]You seem to do an awful lot of Jew judging don't you?
2004-04-29 20:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Sure, in the alternate universe that you inhabit the neocons opposed Clinton's bombing campaign. The fact of the matter is that neocons like Kristol, Safire, Podhoretz, Schwartz, Kampelman, Zuckerman, and countless others were agitating on behalf of Muslims in the Balkans long before Clinton decided to do anything about it. I'm not about to do your homework for you, but I invite you to do an internet search using "Kosovo" and any of the (Jewish) neocon names I've listed above to reveal how little substance there is to your "Christian and Jewish alliance against Muslims." Here's some home work that I'll do for you: [url="http://slate.msn.com/id/25358/"]http://slate.msn.com/id/25358/[/url]
Why don't you do a google search for Chaim Ben Pesach and see what he has to say about the Butcher of Belgrade Madeleine Albright, the traitor in chief Bill Clinton, and the war criminal Wesley Clark.
BTW, these very same people have now organized a Pro-Chechen "committee for peace in Chechnya" [url="http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/about_members.htm"]http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/about_members.htm[/url] (its membership list reads like a Tel Aviv telephone directory). In other words, they had no problem at all with Islamic Jihad as long as Israel wasn't the Muslim's intended target.[/QUOTE]Here's some Jews on Chechnya homework that I'll do for you: [url="http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/02/10/daily.html"]http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/02/10/daily.html[/url]
I'm not denying there are evil Atheist "Jews". Sick evil Leftist "Jews". But the same can be said of Leftist so-called "Christians" like Chris Matthews and John Kerry. Should I judge all Christians based on the policies of John Kerry and Chris Matthews? You really are a Nazi. And you are a lazy thinker.
2004-04-29 20:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]No, MC. It's Christians vs. the world, just as it has been for the last 2000 years.[/QUOTE]
No, it's whites (=Western Civilization) against everyone else. Judeo-"Christian" trash deserves the usual traitor treatment.
2004-04-29 20:51 | User Profile
When is this judeo-"christian" piece of scum going to declare traditional churches "anti-semitic", like Arator?
2004-04-29 20:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]The New Testament does not abolish the Old Testament. Jesus the Jew is the same LORD God that comamands Moses and the Jews not to murder. Do you think that God would break an eternal promise?
No he didn't. Are you free to murder? Are you free to hate Jews? If y odo those things then you do not really believe in Christ and you are of your father the Devil.
I can tell you hate Jews. This is why I know you are of your father the Devil. Real Christians don't hate anybody, especially God's chosen people. Jesus was a Jew.
I've read Revelation and the Bible. I can tell some other people here haven't.
You seem to do an awful lot of Jew judging don't you?[/QUOTE]
I'm not judging the jews because of what they believe. Not at all. Their actions, however, are mostly nefarious, perfidious, and double-standard and that's why they're undesirable in Christian lands. Their Hate State, however, is the biggest threat to humanity right now because they have no peace in their hearts. They have not the saving Grace of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Therefore, all the jews have is this life. Power and domination is what they crave. War is their religion.
When Christ freed mankind from the ancient law, what I'm saying is that we are not saved by keeping the Law, although we do certainly try to live by the 10 Commandments, our salvation is ONLY through Christ's saving Grace through the blessings of the Holy Spirit.
I've read Revelation, and what I do understand, from Church teachings and Protestant writers and then my own reading, is that [B]Judgement Day [/B] is the [B]Last Day[/B]. THERE WILL BE NO 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST ON EARTH. THERE WILL BE NO EARTHLY BATTLE OF ARMEGEDDON. THERE'S NO TATOOS OF 666 ON ANYONE'S FOREHEAD AND THE ANTI-CHRIST IS NOT A SINGULAR BEING. Please do yourself a favor and get HELP. Your demented views of Scofield's demented theory of dispensationalism is putting your soul in great danger.
God bless and God speed.
2004-04-29 21:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I'm not judging the jews because of what they believe. Not at all. Big Lies don't work on me. I'm smarter than you are.
Their actions, however, are mostly nefarious, perfidious, and double-standard and that's why they're undesirable in Christian lands. But the Muslims are nothing but love right? I consider Nazis like you to be worse than Al Qaeda. After you destroy Israel and bring Jesus's wrath upon the world, we'll all be facing Mecca five times a day and worshipping Satan.
Do you judge "Christians" based on the actions of Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Chris Matthews? Just wondering.
Their Hate State, however, is the biggest threat to humanity right now because they have no peace in their hearts. Are you quoting Mein Kampf?
They have not the saving Grace of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But the Hamas terrorists and Yasser Arafat are nothing but love.
Therefore, all the jews have is this life. Power and domination is what they crave. War is their religion. :rolleyes: You are not a Christian. You need to be born again because you are of your father the Devil.
When Christ freed mankind from the ancient law Jesus diod not free man from his own laws. That makes no sense whatsoever. The Ten Commandments are eternal commandments.
what I'm saying is that we are not saved by keeping the Law, although we do certainly try to live by the 10 Commandments Ok so we keep the Ten Commandments but everything else goes? Where did you read that the Satanic Bible? On the contrary, the Torah is the Word of the LORD Jesus.
our salvation is ONLY through Christ's saving Grace through the blessings of the Holy Spirit. How do you feel about Messianic "Jews"?
God bless America. And God bless Israel.
2004-04-29 21:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Do you view the New Testament as inferior to the Torah or as the Word of God?
There are the parables about the vineyard being taken from the wicked husbandmen, about the feast where the originally invited wouldn't come, about the tree that didn't bear fruit. I think Jesus makes it pretty clear that the New Covenant replaces the old one.[/QUOTE]I wish you would do me the courtesy of answering my question before I answer yours. Is the Old Testament the Word of the Lord God (aka Jesus the Jew) yes or no?
Of course I do not view the New Testament as being inferior but that has nothing do with anything. This is a red herring and an attempt to avoid answering my quesiton.
As far as the New Covenant replacing the Old I would have to say in a way yes and in a way no. They are the same thing because God is Jesus.
2004-04-29 22:07 | User Profile
Listen, MC. Some here persuaded me to let you post freely for a bit, but I'm growing tired of your insults and shrill tone. If you want to have a dialogue then you need to reign in your hostile rhetoric. And don't come back with a reply crying that you are only responding in kind. Other members here get the benefit of doubt because I know they're on the right side of things. Unfair I know, but that's the way it is. Right now I see you only as a troll whose only interest is disrupting the board. Until and if you can prove otherwise, then expect a short stay.
2004-04-29 22:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Wow, MC. That's some hard-hitting information you've got there. For what army and on what front are you currently fighting and while doing so how do you find the time to run that site?[/QUOTE]
I don't see where you ever answered my initial question, MC. Why don't we start there?
2004-04-29 22:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]This is a Crusade in the name of Christ and the Holy Bible. I suggest you read the Bible. God gave the land from the Nile to the Euphrates to the Jews. America is for Christians. Israel is for Jews. That's my belief.[/QUOTE]
It's not Christ's:
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." - John 18:36
2004-04-29 22:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]Obviously you're not a Christian.
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. - Luke 6:42
My fellow Christians and I believe that God and Jesus are the same being.
God in Three Persons - Blessed Trinity: God, the Father Almighty, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit
The God of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are the same being.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. - John 1:1-5
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. - 1 John 1:1-3
Jesus the Zionist Jew made eternal covenants with the Jews in the Old Testament. The Jews are Jesus's chosen people.
And he (Jesus) took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." - Luke 22:19-20
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. - Romans 3:21-24
*The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.
Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said:
The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.* - Hebrews 8
2004-04-29 23:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. - Luke 6:42 The Bible commands Christians to rebuke Satanists.
"Them that sin [color=black]rebuke[/color] before all, that others also may fear" (1 Timothy 5:20)
"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." (Isaiah 58:1)
James 5:19-20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise [color=black]rebuke[/color] thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Joshua 7 - just one sin of Achan among Israel stopped the work of God - Israel could not conquer the land. The same way just one unrepented sin among church fully stops the work of God - church cannot save sinners and do God's work. It may lead people to "church" membership, but it fully cannot lead people obey to Christ (John 15:4-5), because it does not obey Christ itself.
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1).
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, [color=black]rebuke[/color], exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore [color=black]rebuke[/color] them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and [color=black]rebuke[/color] with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I [color=black]rebuke[/color] and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Proverbs 9:7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: [color=black]rebuke[/color] a wise man, and he will love thee.
Proverbs 10:17 He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Proverbs 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not [color=black]rebuke[/color].
Proverbs 15:5 A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.
Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
Proverbs 15:12 A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.
Proverbs 15:32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
Proverbs 19:20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.
Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
Proverbs 24:25 But to them that [color=black]rebuke[/color] him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.
Proverbs 25:12 As an earring of gold, and an ornament of fine gold, so is a wise reprover upon an obedient ear.
Proverbs 27:5 Open [color=black]rebuke[/color] is better than secret love.
Proverbs 28:11 The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.
Proverbs 28:23 He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.
Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Ecclesiastes 7:5 It is better to hear the [color=black]rebuke[/color] of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Jeremy 20; Matthew 7:15-23; Ezekiel 3:17-21
Amos 5:10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
God in Three Persons - Blessed Trinity: God, the Father Almighty, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit I'm sorry but I am a monotheist and not a polytheist heretic. There is no trinity in the Bible. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are One.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. - John 1:1-5
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. - 1 John 1:1-3
"The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." - Jeremiah 31:31-34
And he (Jesus) took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." - Luke 22:19-20
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. - Romans 3:21-24
The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.
Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said:
The time is coming, declares the Lord, * when I will make a new covenant * with the house of Israel * and with the house of Judah. * It will not be like the covenant * I made with their forefathers * when I took them by the hand * to lead them out of Egypt, * because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, * and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. * This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel * after that time, declares the Lord. * I will put my laws in their minds * and write them on their hearts. * I will be their God, * and they will be my people. * No longer will a man teach his neighbor, * or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' * because they will all know me, * from the least of them to the greatest. * For I will forgive their wickedness * and will remember their sins no more."*
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.** - Hebrews 8[/QUOTE]Isn't the Bible beautiful? No Thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not steal will never be obsolete. Nor will the Land of Israel because Jesus made an eternal Covenant with the Jews, that they should rebuild the Temple of God and await the Second Coming.
2004-04-29 23:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I don't see where you ever answered my initial question, MC. Why don't we start there?[/QUOTE]I fight for the Army of the LORD God Jesus Christ. Don't all Homo Sapiens use computers at work nowdays?
2004-04-29 23:23 | User Profile
I'm not trying to troll. I simply don't believe in Nazism, Islam, or Satanism.
Some people here seem to have a very gross misunderstanding of the Holy Bible, Jesus the LORD of the Jews, and Christian morality.
2004-04-29 23:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Moderate Centrist]I'm not trying to troll.[/QUOTE]
Bull. I'm sick of it. You're not going to make a mockery of this board, so you're gone and this thread is locked.
In your spare time you might want to revisit Romans and Hebrews.