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Thread ID: 13429 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2004-04-29
2004-04-29 02:28 | User Profile
Anyone catch 60 Minutes II tonight ? They did a solid report on the American soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners. Many explicit photos, with the genital parts filtered over. These grunts ( including women ) forced Iraqi men to strip naked, huddle in groups and portray ( they say ) homosexual group acts and drew profanities on their bodies, one man was beaten beyond belief and others got attacked by ravenous dogs. The Americans are gloating and laughing while they forced Iraqis to so all this, including forcing them to beat up each other or be killed. General Kimmel ( sp ? ) was on and saying they are doing an investigation and will press charges possibly court martial ( um. ok ). Dan Rather even called one of the perpetrators, who is claiming through his lawyer that it was not his fault because the army did not sufficiently instruct him on the treatment of prisoners. ( yea ok, gee i thought it was ok to force them to perform homo acts and wrap wires across their balls ) This is sickening. Even more - Dan Rather said they were sitting on the story for over a month, because the Pentagon told them to !!! Then, other media groups got hold of the story and were going to send it out anyway, and that's the only reason the Pentagon said , ok you might as well show it then, so we can control it. Dan's OWN WORDS.
2004-04-29 03:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Anyone catch 60 Minutes II tonight ? [/QUOTE]
I missed it. I've missed it for the last couple of years.
But, this is the kind of thing that causes the US to practically ban the free media in Iraq.
2004-04-29 10:21 | User Profile
I didn't see the show, but what you describe truly is sickening. Such "heroism" on the part of our "Glorious Imperial Legions" (as Thomas Chittum likes call them) ought to be rewarded with death. Those "soldiers," if guilty, are an utter disgrace to the US (or at least the decent, honorable people in it).
Dan Rather said they were sitting on the story for over a month, because the Pentagon told them to !!! Then, other media groups got hold of the story and were going to send it out anyway, and that's the only reason the Pentagon said , ok you might as well show it then, so we can control it. Dan's OWN WORDS. As far as I'm concerned, this makes Rather a traitor to his country and its principles. He should have told the Pentagram to stick their orders up their collective a$$. The other media groups mentioned, however, ought to be commended for their courage.
2004-04-29 12:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]I missed it. I've missed it for the last couple of years.
But, this is the kind of thing that causes the US to practically ban the free media in Iraq.[/QUOTE]I have not watched 60 minutes in literally decades. But at least they aired this, finally.
In fact, there was a similiar story, almost a year ago, about British soldiers doing similar things to Iraqi prisoners in southern Iraq. I think one British soldier got caught when he mailed the undeveloped film of what he was doing (forcing prisoners to perform oral sex, etc.) back to Britian, and the developer saw the pictures and turned them over to the police. There is also an ongoing investigation of British soldiers who killed and/or beat several prisoners.
2004-04-29 17:01 | User Profile
I just read the AP article, and this is sick shit. It talks about US soldiers forcing naked Iraqi to lay on top of each other and simulate homosexual acts.
This is just more proof that the rank and file, US Army is recruited from the lowest caste of American society.
Actual torture would have been better than using the inmates (most of whom are probably just regular Joe Camel Jockeys' pickup up by US soldiers and held for political propaganda reasons) for homosexual sex fantasies.
The media keeps telling us that our soldiers represent to best of us. If this is the best, I'd hate to see the worst.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_iraq[/url]
2004-04-29 20:05 | User Profile
[url]http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/29/1083224523783.html[/url]
Another reminder of why the US doesn't allow a free press in Iraq.
2004-04-30 00:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]I just read the AP article, and this is sick shit. It talks about US soldiers forcing naked Iraqi to lay on top of each other and simulate homosexual acts.
This is just more proof that the rank and file, US Army is recruited from the lowest caste of American society.
The media keeps telling us that our soldiers represent to best of us. If this is the best, I'd hate to see the worst.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Despite all the propaganda about how wonderful "our men & women in uniform" are supposed to be, near as I can tell, most of them would be in prison if they weren't killing people overseas for money instead (I'm starting to find it very difficult to draw any meaningful distinction between a U.S. soldier and a mercenary). I mean, where else in American society are men forced to perform homosexual sex acts? Prisons, and not by the guards, but rather by their fellow (generally nigger) prisoners. It sounds as if American prisoners have taken over the military prisons in Iraq. I hope the Iraqis identify and target these individuals, and that they are forced to drink drain cleaner while seated on a sharpened piece of wood, or some other suitable punishment. I'm never going to call myself an "American" again. Yuck.
2004-04-30 02:49 | User Profile
be careful fellas, as bad as this is, it is after all, a war and baaad things happen. people get pissed. i hold more more contempt for the lame politicians that send them over into this huge waste of time and tax dollars.
ask yourself this - if instead of iraq, it was the chinese and they were invading hawaii or alaska...would you feel the same way if this had happened ?
remember the scene in "the patriot" where he uses his tomahawk a little more than "nessecary" ?
lets say muslims(or la raza) started blowing up shopping malls on a regular basis here and we caught a bunch of them in the act. see where im going ?
im not defending the mess that is iraq, but rather the brutal nature of war. "rules of war" are a luxury.
others have commented on the general makeup of todays forces, and that too is a big problem, bigger i would say than the mess in iraq. "dont ask dont tell", muslim chaplins, sensitivity training, non-citizens and non-Whites in general are rampant in the military. im glad i got out when i did more than decade ago.
instead of placing blame on the troops for being too mean/cruel...maybe the "leaders" that sent them and/or agreed to send them over there should be tarred and feathered ? congress basically rubber-stammped this whole mess, and for that we should be ashamed.
im predicting someone will call me a neo-con for this :P
2004-04-30 03:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]ask yourself this - if instead of iraq, it was the chinese and they were invading hawaii or alaska...would you feel the same way if this had happened ? [/QUOTE]
Under any circumsance, I have a big problem with forcing POWs to engage in homosexual acts.
Anyway, we're not in a real war with Iraq nor are we there for self-defense. For both those reasons, our behavior should be superiour.
2004-04-30 07:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Under any circumsance, I have a big problem with forcing POWs to engage in homosexual acts.[/QUOTE]
Some things are just plain uncalled for. I'd have a much easier time forgiving a soldier who just up and blew some Arab prisoners away, as opposed to the sort of vadistic filth that comes up with crap like that.
2004-04-30 15:06 | User Profile
Can you imagine what a boon this development is for the Iraqi resistance? If the guerillas have any smarts at all (and April's recent events seem to indicate they do) they'll already be printing up thousands and thousands of flyers depicting the "benevolence" of the American "liberators" shown by 60 Minutes. That's just about guaranteed to inflame the macho Arab culture and make a people already willing to fight to the death that much more willing. That's the real reason the Pentagon didn't want this stuff coming out, as the effect on the American public could easily be blunted with another round of mindless flag-waving "lets role" propaganda.
How many Iraqis who've taken up arms are going to be willing to surrender now that they've got a good idea of what's in store for them if they do? Whatever the number was, it just got a lot lower. Additionally, any hostages that have been, or will be, taken are now going to be subject to similar humiliations I'm sure. Speaking of whom, it sure seems funny how all that talk of hostages has just gone straight down the memhole. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that the Pentagon found that it wasn't playing well at home, so they've sent a memo to the media to knock it off.
2004-05-01 11:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Can you imagine what a boon this development is for the Iraqi resistance? If the guerillas have any smarts at all (and April's recent events seem to indicate they do) they'll already be printing up thousands and thousands of flyers depicting the "benevolence" of the American "liberators" shown by 60 Minutes. That's just about guaranteed to inflame the macho Arab culture and make a people already willing to fight to the death that much more willing. That's the real reason the Pentagon didn't want this stuff coming out, as the effect on the American public could easily be blunted with another round of mindless flag-waving "lets role" propaganda.[/QUOTE] My point exactly:
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