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Thread ID: 13379 | Posts: 18 | Started: 2004-04-26
2004-04-26 17:56 | User Profile
[url]http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3236717/detail.html?[/url]
[QUOTE]White Supremacist Guilty Of Soliciting Killing Of Judge Matthew Hale Convicted On 4 Of 5 Counts Against Him
POSTED: 12:59 p.m. EDT April 26, 2004 UPDATED: 1:12 p.m. EDT April 26, 2004
CHICAGO -- White supremacist leader Matthew Hale, whose gospel of "racial holy war" was linked to a follower's deadly shooting rampage five years ago, was found guilty Monday of trying to have a federal judge killed.
The 32-year-old Hale was convicted in Chicago of four of the five charges against him.
Hale sat with his hands clasped on the table as the verdicts were read. He dipped his head slightly but showed no other reaction.
Prosecutors said Hale was furious after a federal judge ordered him to stop using the name World Church of the Creator for his organization. The judge was never attacked.
Hale's lawyers argued he never asked anyone to kill the judge. They say the FBI used an informant to draw him into a murder plot.[/QUOTE]
Anyone surprised? The deck was stacked from the gitgo with a black and "white" (or Jew) "jury".
This is what you get for starting a non ZOGîâ⢠approved religion. Ask David Koresh!
2004-04-26 18:31 | User Profile
If there's no evidence of Hale explicitly soliciting a murder for hire, than this is obviously a tainted and grievous verdict (mmm Judge [B]Lefkow[/B]?? mmm) based on nothing but heresay. I know most of us probably disagree with Hale's approach, but we should recognize that political affiliations or memberships with unapproved, semitically-incorrect organizations, past or present, can be used to bias a jury into a false conviction. But we know there's no justice any longer in the United States. It's arbitrary at best, Soviet at it's worst. I actually feel bad for Hale.
2004-04-26 19:09 | User Profile
"The evidence presented at trial provided the jury a glimpse into the inner workings of an extremist group that advocated hate and bigotry in it purest form. The trial and conviction of Matt Hale sends an unmistakable message to those who propagate hate and violence in our community" - Richard S. Hirschhaut, Anti-Defamation League Regional Director.
Even the ADL de facto admits that the verdict had nothing to do with Hale being guilty of any crime.
2004-04-26 19:16 | User Profile
"Prosecutors say Hale was furious after the 2002 ruling and urged his bodyguard Anthony Evola to kill the judge. But Evola, an FBI informant who was secretly taping their conversations, acknowledged under cross-examination that Hale never directly said he wanted the judge killed.
Durkin [Defense lawyer], who called no witnesses during the trial, said the only voice on the tapes urging violence is Evola's. "[URL=http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/042004_ap_ns_hale.html]link[/URL]
So, the FBI tried to entrap Hale, even though their illegal ploy failed, the jury convicted anyway.
We already know that if you're white and you're accused of being a racist, you're getting convicted. Evidence is irrelevant.
2004-04-26 21:35 | User Profile
Obviously ZOG's intent is to send a message -- to us. If you challenge Jews, you will be jailed or killed.
Not that anyone on OD had any lingering doubts, I'm sure, but it's clear that the Bill of Rights no longer applies to people on the Right.
The only question is -- who's next?
Jared Taylor? Alex Linder? Edgar Steele? Don Black? The Jewish Tribal Review author?
My prediction is that it will be Linder or Black.
2004-04-26 21:58 | User Profile
Unsurprisingly, Jews haven't wasted any time gloating. They're dancing on Hale's grave already.
[url]http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/4483_72.htm[/url]
Chicago, IL, April 26, 2004 ââ¬Â¦ The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) lauded today's conviction of Matthew Hale, leader of the former World Church of the Creator (now known as the Creativity Movement), on charges he solicited the murder of a federal judge and for obstruction of justice.
"We applaud United States Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and F.B.I. Special Agent in Charge Thomas Kneir for having the diligence and courage to aggressively pursue the prosecution of this unrepentant racist, who has shown nothing but scorn for our nation's system of justice," said Richard S. Hirschhaut, ADL Chicago Regional Director. "We also congratulate Assistant United States Attorneys Victoria Peters and M. David Weisman for prosecuting this case with vigor and integrity. We are pleased that the jury saw through Hale's deceitful efforts to use his legal knowledge to evade responsibility for his actions."
Noting that the conviction "was five years in the making," Hirschhaut added that the verdict "stands as a measure of justice for the years of anguish suffered by so many innocent people who were victimized by Hale's exhortations to hate and violence. The souls of Ricky Byrdsong and Won-Joon Yoon may now rest in peace."
Having monitored the growth of the former World Church of the Creator for many years, ADL became increasingly concerned about the violent propensities of Hale and his group.
In 1999, one of Hale's followers, Benjamin Smith, went on a murderous shooting rampage in the Midwest, targeting Jews, African-Americans and Asian-Americans, leaving Byrdsong and Yoon dead and nine others wounded before killing himself.
Since the shootings, Hale has continued to praise Smith's deeds and has held him up as a model member of his group.
"The evidence presented at trial provided the jury a glimpse into the inner workings of an extremist group that advocated hate and bigotry in it purest form. The trial and conviction of Matt Hale sends an unmistakable message to those who propagate hate and violence in our community," said Hirschhaut.
2004-04-26 22:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]"Prosecutors say Hale was furious after the 2002 ruling and urged his bodyguard Anthony Evola to kill the judge. But Evola, an FBI informant who was secretly taping their conversations, acknowledged under cross-examination that Hale never directly said he wanted the judge killed.
Durkin [Defense lawyer], who called no witnesses during the trial, said the only voice on the tapes urging violence is Evola's. "[URL=http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/042004_ap_ns_hale.html]link[/URL]
So, the FBI tried to entrap Hale, even though their illegal ploy failed, the jury convicted anyway.
We already know that if you're white and you're accused of being a racist, you're getting convicted. Evidence is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Durkin is a zhid. Lefkow is a zhid.
2004-04-26 22:06 | User Profile
I think the recent prosecutions (Dole, Duke, Hale, Wheeler, and that woman out in CA who ran the white charity) were intentional and demonstrative; enforcement actions are clustered to have maximum impact. Those were the easy pickins based on the cases they could throw together. It takes years to compile one of these cases. Black has dealt with the bastards before, and I seriously doubt he would ever make it "easy" for them; I don't think Linder does much more than type. Not to say any of the above victims were wrong, but in two of the cases we have clear indications the victims could have possibly been a bit more cautious. Doles was supposedly showing his guns off (a perfectly legal activity) and Hale advocated genocide in the abstract (again, not a crime). Sometimes what is legal is not advisable, but then again no one bothered to tell these guys that the Constitution is dead, so their culpability is very limited. The lesson I've learned is to never get arrested for anything and never buy a gun if you're planning on being a white nationalist. It also helps to live in a lily-white federal court district.
The more disturbing case is Duke- the federal elections laws are probably just as entrapping as the Internal Revenue Code. By selective enforcement, I'd imagine just about any politician could be found guilty of wrongdoing.
However, we should not completely give up. Once there are enough Dukes out there, they will not be able to jail all of them.
We are now in the very uncomfortable spot of having to forejudge ZOG's likely response and the cost of losing a patriot against likely political gains. God speed the day when the majority of whites understand the system is broken- jury nullification may be our only way out. That is, I suppose, unless one is stripped of citizenship and declared an enemy combatant. ZOG, however, cannot continue to blur the line between legal and illegal to the point where we have nothing to lose either way. If they do, things can degenerate very quickly. We had folks in NC leaving out scraps for Rudolph, and they all knew he would get a supposedly "fair" trial at the hands of a jury of his "peers." People already understand the nature of the beast to some degree; more egregious displays of repression will only encourage the sentiment.
The world is just crazy- I always thought Orwell was an allegorist and artist, but not necessarily a prophet.
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Obviously ZOG's intent is to send a message -- to us. If you challenge Jews, you will be jailed or killed.
Not that anyone on OD had any lingering doubts, I'm sure, but it's clear that the Bill of Rights no longer applies to people on the Right.
The only question is -- who's next?
Jared Taylor? Alex Linder? Edgar Steele? Don Black? The Jewish Tribal Review author?
My prediction is that it will be Linder or Black.[/QUOTE]
2004-04-26 22:52 | User Profile
In August of 1999, I was convicted in a case somewhat similar to Mr. Hale's, i.e. no crime had been committed by anyone, yet I was convicted for making politically incorrect remarks that were laughably misconstrued as "threats" (my "threat" specifically contained the phrase, "in the century to come," thus making it clear to even an imbecile that I hadn't violated section 422 of the California Penal Code, which states the "threat" must be "immediate" in nature). My Jewish lawyer told me I was obviously not guilty, that no crime had been committed at all, and that if I'd addressed my remarks to Black Muslims or the local Ohlone tribe, no one would care, but since I'd addressed them to Jews, I'd not only be prosecuted but probably convicted (as I was).
And that's the bottom line; any charge one is brought up on that pertains directly to the Jews, one will be convicted of, especially if one is White. If its another race, you may have to do something violent (such as engage in self-defense) in order to make the evidence irrelevant, but mere words are sufficient to nullify all evidentiary and legal standards where the Jews are concerned.
2004-04-26 23:06 | User Profile
"Are we gonna exterminate the rat?" Evola can be heard asking Hale on the tape, which Evola testified meant Lefkow.
[B]"Well, whatever you want to do, basically,"[/B] Hale replied.
Moments later, Hale added:[B] "My position has always been that, you know, I'm going to fight within the law and, but, ah, that information's been provided if you wish to, ah, do anything, yourself, you can. So that makes it clear."[/B]
"Consider it done," Evola said.
Can the above be considered soliciting murder?
He basically said he would fight within the law and not murder, but Evola could do what he wanted to.
2004-04-27 01:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]"The evidence presented at trial provided the jury a glimpse into the inner workings of an extremist group that advocated hate and bigotry in it purest form. The trial and conviction of Matt Hale sends an unmistakable message to those who propagate hate and violence in our community" - Richard S. Hirschhaut, Anti-Defamation League Regional Director.[/QUOTE] The "unmistakable message" that I'm getting here is that the pro-White movement cannot expect to even survive, let alone accomplish anything, if we play by the System's rules.
I think it was JFK who said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
2004-04-27 01:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Murray]Can the above be considered soliciting murder?[/QUOTE]
From an on-line law dictionary:
solicitation n. the crime of encouraging or inducing another to commit a crime or join in the commission of a crime. Solicitation may refer to a prostitute's (or her pimp's) offer of sexual acts for pay.
Solicitation is when you try to get someone to commit a crime. Hale didn't at all encourage the FBI informant to commit a crime. All the encouraging came from the FBI informant.
entrapment n. in criminal law, the act of law enforcement officers or government agents inducing or encouraging a person to commit a crime when the potential criminal expresses a desire not to go ahead. The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal." Entrapment, if proved, is a defense to a criminal prosecution. The accused often claims entrapment in so-called "stings" in which undercover agents buy or sell narcotics, prostitutes' services or arrange to purchase goods believed to be stolen. The factual question is: Would Johnny Begood have purchased the drugs if not pressed by the narc?
An FBI informant is acting as a government agent. The idea of killing the judge originated with the FBI informant.
The factual question: Would Hale have asked that the judge be killed if not pressed by the FBI informant?
Never mind that Hale never did ask, even when pressed, for the judge to be killed. He merely acquiesced to an offer that took advantage of his anger. And, did Hale have any reason to think the FBI informant would really kill the judge?
Hale has been screwed several times by the courts, including when the courts barred him from practicing law because of his beliefs, even though he had a law degree and passed the bar. Imagine going to all the effort to get a law degree and then having the court system tell you that because of what you believe that you may not pactice law. (the First Amendment is null and void)
2004-04-27 03:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal." [/QUOTE]
"So we gonna exterminate the rat?"
It's clear the encouragement came from Judas Evola. Still, Hale stupidly allowed his understandable rage at the numerous injustices get the better of him. Instead of his ambiguous reply, he should've been savvy enough to denounce the offer in no uncertain terms: "Absolutely not! Put all ideas of violence out of your mind!" He had to know the kikes were gunning for him, so he should've been on guard against the hoary traitor-provocateur tactic. And as a lawyer, his blunder was all the more idiotic.
2004-04-27 05:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]The "unmistakable message" that I'm getting here is that the pro-White movement cannot expect to even survive, let alone accomplish anything, if we play by the System's rules.
I think it was JFK who said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."[/QUOTE]
You've expressed the above sentiments very well. While I generally try, not always with complete success, to refrain from strident calls for violent revolution, its never-the-less always been clear that from a purely intellectual, abstract perspective, there is no other serious alternative within a system as corrupt as this one has become. On the one hand, there simply have to be more of us in this nation before we could afford to take a page from the IRA and seriously consider a planned campaign of illegal activity, hence the present rationale for remaining within the system for the time being. Contrarily, one could certainly make the case that a regime this corrupt needs to be violently opposed NOW because of the danger it represents and with the hope that more heroes would emerge more-or-less spontaneously to replace the ones rounded up by the system in the initial onslaught. On the other hand, one could reasonably make the case that such sentiments are a result of our being manipulated, i.e. the spurt of anti-White criminal prosecutions beginning after 9/11 and shortly before the Iraq invasion, may have been intended to provoke us onto a rash course of action. In any event, I'd be curious to learn if Evola, or that other lowlife character that testified against Hale, have deemed it necessary to enter the Federal Witness Protection program....
2004-04-27 06:46 | User Profile
Here's my take on the Matt Hale case:
If, instead of Matt Hale, a member of the ADL had been recorded saying the EXACT sequence of words Hale had said, in regard to someone asking him if Don Black, David Duke, or Erich Gliebe should be "exterminated", the white nationalist movement would not have hesitated to demand the complete and total prosecution - and conviction - of that ADL member.
Let's not pretend here. Were the tables turned, do most of you really believe the white nationalist movement would have come to the defense of that hypothetical ADL member? I for one do not think so. I for one cannot see Kevin Strom doing an ADV broadcast on behalf of an ADL member lured into an identical murder plot. No, they would have rejoiced - as now the ADL rejoices.
But for those who seek the truth and nothing but the truth - regardless of racial or ideological beliefs - one must inevitably ask: Do you believe that Matt Hale - in his heart of hearts - wanted Judge Lefkow DEAD? My belief, based on what he said (as well as what he implied) is a resounding "Yes". I believe Matt Hale wanted Judge Lefkow dead. He couldn't do it himself, however. He dare not jeopardize his power or his mission, but if others were willing to kill on his behalf, then he was "okay" with that. I think that was made abundantly clear, based on the taped conversations with Tony Evola.
Some may ask: Did Matt Hale actually ASK anyone to commit murder? On that, the answer is clearly NO.
However, what [u]is[/u] clear is that Matt Hale was presented with someone (as far as he knew) perfectly willing to commit murder and that Hale never once said:
"How dare you suggest murder! Your membership in the Church is rescinded! Get out!"
Really, if Matt Hale truly opposed the murder of Judge Lefkow, and truly wanted to abide [u]strictly[/u] by the law, wouldn't it have made plain common sense for him to have not only rejected Evola's murder suggestions, but also to have ejected him immediately from the Church?
That he did not do so means only one thing: that Hale genuinely WANTED Lefkow murdered, but did not want to risk his freedom or the Church's future on actually sanctioning such a murder. That he was lured into sanctioning it anyway was his ultimate downfall, and a dark warning for all white nationalists: Avoid banning those who advocate murder at your own risk.
2004-04-27 06:51 | User Profile
Well reasoned comments, General.
2004-04-27 12:16 | User Profile
If, instead of Matt Hale, a member of the ADL had been recorded saying the EXACT sequence of words Hale had said, in regard to someone asking him if Don Black, David Duke, or Erich Gliebe should be "exterminated", the white nationalist movement would not have hesitated to demand the complete and total prosecution - and conviction - of that ADL member.
Had Don Black, David Duke, or Erich Gliebe sent an agent amongst jews solicitating murder they would be in county jail awaiting trail on conspiracy to murder charges.
2004-04-27 14:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]
That he did not do so means only one thing: that Hale genuinely WANTED Lefkow murdered, but did not want to risk his freedom or the Church's future on actually sanctioning such a murder. That he was lured into sanctioning it anyway was his ultimate downfall, and a dark warning for all white nationalists: Avoid banning those who advocate murder at your own risk.[/QUOTE]
Being aware that what one feels, legitimately, as a result of having to deal with the reality imposed by ZOG and their Judenhass enablers, IS wish for their death is mentally healthy. (as pointed out by "Kocher" in an adjascent OD post on McVeigh -- "Culture war"). And one certainly has the right to mental health, right? What can't be done is allow one's words to be speech targeted by someone else at individuals EXCEPT TO THE DEGREE THEY HAVE DONE SO TO ONESELF, PUBLICALLY, PROVABLY, KNOWN TO ALL -- AS THESE TERRORISTS WHO HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GOVERNMENT ARE NOW DOING THROUGH THE FBI AND OTHER CITIZEN KILLER AGENCIES. Then it becomes a matter of political and national self defense.
I am referring to the slaughter at Waco by the Right Wing sadistic psychopaths, also responsible for the OK City slaughter, the Vietnam war, Columbine, the shooting of Sheik Yassin, and counting -- as a universal mind set. To them, you've got to relate as to the Buddha ("If you see the Buddha on the side of the road, kill it." The point being, if you can kill it, it wasn't the Buddha.)