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2004-04-26 06:45 | User Profile
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**McVeigh and the Oklahoma Bombing
Part 11: McVeigh Was Not a Terrorist**
by Robert L. Kocher
When I hear this I also ask myself, is there provision for legitimate anger or indignation in any of this? Is there, somewhere, anywhere, an acknowledged legitimate well-adjusted line in the sand that justifies active indignation and outrage? If it requires being picked on as a child to react to what happened to the Weavers and the Davidians, then it would have been better if 200,000,000 more Americans had been picked on in their youth so that America would recover enough of a soul and sense of outrage to have reacted as strongly to the slaughter as did McVeigh. That there weren't large scale riots throughout America in response to the Waco massacre is a statement that America is a very sick society and a nation that has become dangerously beaten down and compliant.
The Oklahoma City bombing was the direct desperate result of refusal to restore a sense of responsibility by two presidents, by two attorneys general, by congress, by the court system, and by chiefs of law enforcement agencies, who have all escaped accountability.
McVeigh was doing part of what a president was obligated to have done. He was correcting the condition in the cruder fashion available to him, and with the limited amount of selectivity available to him. He was a focused man with absolute intent on establishing the inevitability of personal consequences and accountability. Somehow, somewhere, that had to be done.
Was McVeigh a monster? Far from it. McVeigh is deliberately misdescribed in the leftist media as a terrorist. The suckers buy into the language structure they are fed and they bought into that language structure. They also let their decisions and reactions be determined by that language structure. If one can control the structure of language, one can limit the scope of analysis to the prejudices inherent within that structure. There was nobody allowed on the national scene to revise that language structure.
It was never McVeigh's intention to be an indiscriminant terrorist. He wasn't a terrorist. McVeigh didn't know a day care center was in the federal building and he was jarred by the revelation. The deaths of the Oklahoma children were no more intentional than the accidental hitting of a child chasing a ball out of nowhere by an unexpecting motorist. All indications are that he wouldn't have set the bomb if he knew there was a day care center in the building. The deaths of the children were not an act of intent, but a tragic accident of ignorance. In his own words he was sorry about the deaths of the children. His references to their being "collateral damage" seem cold and mechanical, but were an artifact of his limited verbal capacity and adoption of language acquired in the military. Those words were also an expression of his determination to do the primary job that he thought needed to be done. That job was to bring appropriate corrective consequences upon a corrupt power center where outrage was being dispensed, at the eventual probable cost of his own life.
. McVeigh had confidence in the necessity of that decision.
There is also a mode of thinking that occurs among men of determined incisive temperament. There comes a point where they say, "Regardless of what else, regardless of the cost, this, THIS MUST BE STOPPED." After that, they go into a grim tough determined mode where they have made up their mind to the point where that is the way it has to be, and that is the way it had to be. It may not be the way they want it to be, or the way they liked it to be, but it's the way things had to be and the way things turned out. Military officers must make such ugly determined decisions and live with them. Physicians must do similarly. The ugliness of those decision are subject to highly dramatized criticism during debate or assertions. It's easy to point to the children killed at Oklahoma City while hiding behind inflammatory images and accusations.
You Torment People Long Enough, You Force Them to Kill You
But, there are some rough tough rules in life that many people will not want to hear. Eventually, if you mess with and torment people long enough it will come to the point where you force them to kill you. When they do, don't come whining to me about it because I'm not a very good at listening to concocted sad tales, and as far as I'm concerned you got what you deserved. If you can subtly beat people down in stages so they are ground down, whipped, and masochistic like battered women, they will accept continued abuse and you can continue to inflict sadism upon them. But if you do it to a healthy person, or if a sick repressed person regains their psychological health and dignity, you will eventually force them to kill you and anyone you cleverly attempt interpose between yourself and them.
This is particularly so when you start wantonly killing people. That's the bargain you make in the healthy adult world.
Part of the definition of basic mental health is an acceptance of that reality. It's part of the differentiation between mentally healthy people versus passive-aggressive sadists, psychopaths, and similar categories of pathology. Forty-five or 50 years ago not one adult in ten would disagree with that view. Since the developmental prominence of various forms of passive-aggressive, sadistic, and borderline personality systems coordinate with the radicalism of the 60s, that view is now under professional and countercultural siege.
Part of the definition of mental health is also to make the distinction between people who initiate violence, and those acts that become necessary to defend against it. The two actions are not equivalent and the person initiating the violence is responsible for the entire subsequent sequence of events. That view is also now under professional and countercultural siege.
Above all, law must conform to healthy human psychologyââ¬ânot be used as a tool for sadism and tyranny.
The sadism of the radical 60s set out to overturn that philosophy and replace it with an imposed sadistic process. In the 60s and 70s declared violent revolutionaries would get in people's faces and, in the street guerrilla theater of the period, would suddenly take on the role of innocent children and fall down in mock near-mortal injury if someone slapped their face. There was a distorted mentality in which leftists expected to kill other people, expected to announce they intended to kill other people, but not be killed back. Killing was to be a unilateral child's game while people who defended themselves were accused of being maladjusted violent primitives. With repetition and media support healthy reaction to leftist threats became immobilized and subject to an irrational one-way criticism. All I heard during the period relating to threats of leftist revolution was that the only real danger was one of right-wing over-reaction. That movement had remarkable success and has infused throughout American, and even world, culture as part of leftist infusion of ideology. In America, with the advancement of that movement into the American judicial, legal, and governmental systems, it had come to the point were people were being wantonly murdered at will in places such as Ruby Ridge and Waco with any demand for consequences being dismissed at as maladjusted evil right-wing conspiracy.
The Halo Effect of an Archvillain
The American people had been fed a daily diet of insult, humiliation, and outrage for years and had under-reacted. They are still under-reacting. But when the condition evolves to the point where you start brazenly killing people, regardless of whether you corrupt and misuse the law, the judicial system, and whatever else to fabricate and employ a veneer of legitimacy for that killingââ¬âin the sane adult world, at some point you really must expect someone to kill you in return. However ineptly, however ill-considered, that's what happened at Oklahoma City.
The accidental deaths of the Oklahoma children turned out to furnish the escape needed for the government agents and the political left to escape responsibility and consequences. What was needed was an archvillain to enable successful shifting of focus away from the realities of the original evil acts and away from necessary just imposition of appropriate consequences upon those responsible for those acts. Similarly, the halo effect of an archvillain could be used, retroactively, to justify the violence at Waco and Ruby Ridge as being a necessity against the same mentality. The deaths of the Oklahoma children and the portrayal of McVeigh as an evil terrorist fulfilled those tasks. The emotional impact of pictures of rescuers holding Oklahoma children's bodies eclipsed all else. Demanding accountability for earlier acts was smeared as being in alliance with indiscriminent killing of children. Children means only Oklahoma children. The children who were gassed and killed at Waco, or the shooting of the mortally wounded young Sammy Weaver in the back as he desperately tried to flee murderous madmen became insignificant considerations. There was conceptual manipulation of the public to treat the Oklahoma bombing and the mass killings preceding it as unrelated events. The real villains and terrorists went free in the refocus.
Was the blood of the Oklahoma children redder than the children at Waco? Was their blood redder than those at hundreds of Ruby Ridges or Wacos to come if the insanity wasn't stopped? Clearly, there was no serious declaration that something serious had happened before Oklahoma, no serious intention to bring appropriate legal consequences to those responsible for the killings, no serious remedying restatement of people's personal rights, and no serious attempt to guarantee such actions would not occur in the future.
The Violent Subjugation of the American People
The absence of such statements and the absence of serious intention implied no serious transgressions against the American people worth considering had taken place. Hence, such acts were now established, by their lack of being seriously contested, as acceptable operating procedure that could be inflicted without consequence in the future. A new level of violent subjugation of the American people had been breached and certified by silence. The American people would be required to adapt to it while the electronic virtual reality hologram looked upon such events with nodding approval. Correct me if I'm wrong in my observation that the American two-party political system would neither discuss the seriousness of the condition nor offer alternative and remedy to voters in recent elections.
The Clintons have already been discussed. There was no mention of seriousness or necessity for remedy by Robert Dole. There was no mention of seriousness or need for remedy by Al Gore. Bush Jr. is temperamentally inadequate and mentally too unincisive to address such issues.
Unless there is a new political party starting as of last year, Hillary will run for the presidency for practical purposes unopposed. Like many of the mentally deficient easily programmed students of the 60s and 70s, she was easily brainwashed into a cult mentality that gave her her only chance for a personality and place in life. As it was for many, leftist cult membership was adopted as a life substitute for people with disfunctional selves. She, and others, graduated with a licensing distorted lifetime mission. Superimposed upon this is a vicious hate-filled psychopathic personality without conscience or remorse who feels unbounded narcissistic entitlement. Combined with the rationalizing architecture of 60s and 70s radicalism, that entitlement includes license to kill. Over the last 20 to 30 years she has shown absolutely no reluctance in committing primary criminal acts, nor reluctance to act in a knowing role as an accomplice conspiring to hide criminal acts. Past misuse of FBI files or the IRS is nothing compared to what you will see. Any inhibitions you see are temporary and cosmetic while she manipulates for power. When she calls someone a "****ing Jew bastard," it is the real Hillary. It's the attitude she has toward anybody or anything that thwarts her moods. I would strongly advise people to understand she is of similar cold mentality as the woman who used the skin of Nazi concentration camp inmates as lamp shades. Don't doubt it. She exhibits a peculiar type of paranoia characteristic of the radical left in which appropriate reaction to vicious acts they inflict upon other people are interpreted as persecution from which they are entitled to take all steps to defend themselves. If Bubba rapes a few women, any legitimate reaction to it is subjectively transformed into being victimized by a conspiracy. It's part of a paranoid life pattern of demand for unlimited irrational destructive entitlement followed by claims of persecution and victimization when those demands are thwarted. This is an extremely dangerous mentality that can justify destroying or killing anybody.
Here Come the Wacos
If you think you have seen bad, you haven't seen bad yet. Remember Waco because you will likely see more Wacos in the future. Hillary Clinton will tighten the vise of imposition of an insane sadistic leftist state with more legally dispensed murder for protest or noncompliance. Start getting prepared to hear a defiant contemptuous feminine voice laugh and tell you to put some ice on it.
What now exists is a temporary slight relaxation of governemnt violence. To serious extent I am willing to attribute that decrease in aggressiveness to McVeigh's actions. In the back of at least a few pointed little heads, Oklahoma induced some slight sense of caution resulting from the realization that at least some people had had enough and were ready to fight back. But, regardless of temporary caution, a long term stage has been set for measured escalated legalized ruthless violent revolution against the American people. One should fear for the future of the American nation.
Should Timothy McVeigh have been executed? Possibly. But with great reluctance and sorrow. And only for the deaths of the Oklahoma children.
He would be required to pay the price for the tragedy of his mistake.
McVeigh's attorneys should have burned a path through the center of America and started a movement.
Many people celebrated McVeigh's execution. His death supposedly effected closure. But only to the naive or those whose primary concern was relatives lost in the Oklahoma bombing. The real matter that was settled was that there could be politically licensed murder on an escalating scale without consequences.
Those who celebrated were celebrating having executed what may have been one of the last men of determined conscience in the nation. For a brief moment, however ineptly, one man did what millions of other Americans should have done, and fought back. His tragic ineptitude should not be allowed to be confused with the necessity to restore absolute accountability and consequences for increasingly brazen criminal acts against the American people. It had come to the stage where what Timothy McVeigh did had to be done by somebody. He went to his death like a man. I sensed in him a bitterness and disgust with the American nation.
I am not trivializing the deaths of the Oklahoma children. It was a terrible tragedy. It was purely an accident of ignorance and naivete.
But the killings at Ruby Ridge and Waco were not accidents of ignorance and naivete. They were systematic cold calculated acts of evil premeditated by professionals. They were acts of sociopolitical repression.
Never let that important difference between those two events be forgotten.
The Myth of Liberty and Justice for All
This business about America the Beautiful with liberty and justice for all that you were taught as schoolchild is myth and always has been. There is no secure rule of law, and there never has been. There is no secure system of justice and there never has been. The only seriously functional thing there is, and ever has been, is serious absolute fear of public resolve and public physical retribution. Corruption and evil are the way of this world throughout human history. The world is a jungle with the hyenas attempting to gain control. Intellectual discourse with hyenas is not a deterrent to their nature or intent. Ultimately, the only defense against evil and corruption is capacity for self defense and instilling fear of inevitable concrete personal reprisal within those who would impose corruption and evil. When law enforcement, when the legal system, when the politicians, or anybody else lose that fear, the people lose everything including their rights and freedomââ¬âand eventually their lives. When fear is lost the result is disguised predatory anarchy by the privileged corrupt, concurrent with absolute regulation of the oppressed. There develops a criminal oligarchy that infiltrates and then perverts the institutions of law and government to solidify and enforce its corruption while superficially keeping the system in its original form. Inevitably the cry of the hyenas is that there must be respect for hyena law and legal process while knowing full well they have perverted the process. One of the first things to do when misusing the law is to demand absolute obedience to law. Reform is pronounced illegal.
When you see a supreme court decision made on a five to four basis it means the difference between a personal right and a criminal act is the arbitrary difference between whether someone can jimmy in a change in one court justice. It also means four or more people on that court were willing to take those rights away and had support in their attempt to do so from those who appointed them. All law is entirely arbitrary and subsequently decorated through facility of language. Beneath facility of language the law is only whatever any person or group says it is if they have the trickery or force necessary to pass it and force you to obey it. It is perfectly legal for someone to kill you if they pass a law allowing them to do it. It can be made illegal to defend yourself from being killed.
We are finding that out in America. The only existent remedy or prevention is fear. What you have is only that which remains after what you let the criminals and the misguided get away with. The line must be drawn and the reaction to transgression hard.
(to be continued)
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2004-04-26 08:13 | User Profile
One point is clear about the Ruby Ridge/Randy Weaver family and Waco assault, media trained white folk at large were very, very much more angry at Tim McViegh, than they ever were at Janet and the men who did the folks in at Waco, and who flexed their bi-cepts for photo opps after the "folks" "But today they would be called a Terror group" were done in, with smiles on their faces..All this is because of and with the full compliance of the Alien Hate media and public schools, silence and no memorials for those burned alive.. [url]www.deliberatedumbingdown.com[/url] Those photos of the agents flexing were not shown on TV after Waco either. There is a reason, a real reason for the continued flooding of U.S. with non-white anti-Western refugees entering our "Nation" now, even as we are at war, and it is not about economics or helping these non-whites either. Itz about the hate against any white U.S. majority remaining or having any political power left to say boo, against anything p.c., other than yes, and to bend over when asked too. The Apostasy Churches are used as an Anti-white Western Civilizaiton tool against us to. Thankfully there are still some sane Christians left who can read and know right from wrong and who do stand against the Apostasy Christian teachings... Like at [url]www.whtt.org[/url]
2004-04-26 15:54 | User Profile
" McVeigh is deliberately misdescribed in the leftist media as a terrorist. " He means "right wing". The judenhass Reagan jew crowd had controlled the media, the language, the events, and the way Timothy McVeigh has been presented, not the left wing. Not that I am their fan...this man is right, but he is working for the same crowd as Clarke, Woodward, all of them. They are organizing the righteous feedback, trying to control risistance to their psychokilling. IT IS THE RIGHT WING PRESS THAT KEEPS REPLAYING THE MCVEIGH MISREPRESENTATIoNS -- I CAN PROVE IT LOCALLY, BECAUSE THE GANNETT/CATHOLIC/JEW BUNCH OVER THERE FIND IT USEFUL TO HELP COMMIT TREASON. THEY ARE A PART OF THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE, TOO.
added later. Another point, if we are going to talk mental health".
"But, there are some rough tough rules in life that many people will not want to hear. Eventually, if you mess with and torment people long enough it will come to the point where you force them to kill you. When they do, don't come whining to me about it because I'm not a very good at listening to concocted sad tales, and as far as I'm concerned you got what you deserved. If you can subtly beat people down in stages so they are ground down, whipped, and masochistic like battered women, they will accept continued abuse and you can continue to inflict sadism upon them. But if you do it to a healthy person, or if a sick repressed person regains their psychological health and dignity, you will eventually force them to kill you and anyone you cleverly attempt interpose between yourself and them."
It was the right-wing mentality that brought on Nixon to perpetuate the killing in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, plus was resposible for Waco and, by implication, Oklahoma City. Then, Reagan, Bush 1 and the seeds of permanent Iraqi revenge, leading to Bush II and Fallujah. This mentality is always the same -- the kind of sickness that battered women have who identify with their psycho old men, and always keep coming back for more, because they are passive-aggressive sadists, or mirror image counterparts. And they always come whining back. I saw that as a radical in the 60's. "Kocher" is just another one of them, reaching out to see which whiners, who are getting what they deserve when they see killing, blood, destruction waste, especially if it hits close to home, like a real son, or maybe a NFL football hero. Whiners. Glad to see that warehouse full of flag drapped coffins, Kocher? Go whine on them with your mental health.
There was something different here before the right-wing pederastic mental health specialists moved in. He doesn't even have it quite straight about McVeigh, in emphasizing the so-called "Waco obsession." It was Iraqi revenge that took out the Alfred R. Murrah building, he was just a patsy, poor guy. All that whining grandstanding about stalward military way of being. Yep. puke .
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2004-04-27 02:55 | User Profile
There is so much right-on in this article it should be required reading for all Americans.
With this correction -- I repeat. It was the right-wing mentality that killed Koresh and all the little children at Waco. I saw that google-eyed Texas Republican bastard Representative personally go over and pat that killer bastard ATF/FBI official who ordered the deaths on the back on TV. Sadistic right-wind killer bastards, just lilke the ones who kept on in Vietnam, and started up death squads in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the name of the American people. They are the Judenhass enemy of America, ready to call out and take on the Common Enemy of Jews and Bush. They just don't say that part up-front. They are matched by the Judenhass left, of course, in the form of Joel Mobray.
Remember Waco right.