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Thread ID: 13344 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2004-04-25
2004-04-25 13:13 | User Profile
ORIGINAL THREAD HERE: [url="http://resistance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1347"]http://resistance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1347[/url]
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2004-04-25 15:19 | User Profile
Mr. Fenner:
I take it that your group is basically Third Positionist?
I consider myself a Third Positionist, but as you know there isn't much of a movement in the States.
Is the BNP Third Positionist to any degree?
Walter
2004-04-25 18:21 | User Profile
Walter,
Pardon my ignorance. What is "Third Positionist"? Is that the same as "National Socialist"?
2004-04-25 20:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I consider myself a Third Positionist, but as you know there isn't much of a movement in the States.
Is the BNP Third Positionist to any degree?[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that Nick Griffin, the current head of the BNP, is a Third Positionist and that his immediate predecessor, John Tyndall (both admirable men) was not, and that this disagreement had a lot to do with the ascent of the younger Griffin and at least some (unfortunate) degree of bad blood between their respective supporters. As it so happens, I lean towards the Third Position myself.
2004-04-25 22:16 | User Profile
Havn't got a clue so I started a new thread on it: [url="http://resistance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2195"]http://resistance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2195[/url]
2004-04-26 06:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter Phillips]Walter,
Pardon my ignorance. What is "Third Positionist"? Is that the same as "National Socialist"?[/QUOTE]
No, in fact I'd say that they're quite the opposite things.
TP is all about the devolution power and property to the lowest functional leval. TP grew out of Catholic social teaching, and it is based around the Catholic slogans Solidarity, Subsidiarity, Private Property, Marriage and Family, and Nationalism (of the live-and-let-live variety). Its leading lights include especially Chesteron and Belloc (see Chesteron's "Outline of Sanity" which is a sort of TP Manifesto). I think Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker movement and Jaques Maritain should be included, but both of them present certain problems.
TP rejects usury (defined as a non-productive loan, and not financing where payments are based on shared risks) and the corporate form of property (which really is a contradiction in terms, as it really is no property at all). Most of us would ban most advertising, certainly advertising on television. While TP believes that hiring employees is a very good thing and that employees must be allowed the right to unionize and extract a just wage, TP also very much favors self-employment the creation of family businesses. We hope for a world of families extending to nation states, working hard to produce goods and services for themselves and to trade freely with others.
The great success story in putting all of these ideas into action are the Mandragon cooperatives of the Basque Country in Spain.
To the extent that NS was all about the concentration of all political power in the hand of a single dictator, and its reliance on vast corporations that concentrated wealth into the hands of a managerial few, NS diametrically opposed to the goals of TP. TP is also a profoundly Christian thing, and thus NS's paganism would present its own difficulties (to put it mildly).
We've actually discussed these things at some length here, I urge you to check out some of the threads on this.
Warmest regards,
Walter
2004-04-26 06:19 | User Profile
Walter,
Thanks. Most useful.
Best regards,
Peter