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Thread ID: 13294 | Posts: 29 | Started: 2004-04-23
2004-04-23 18:59 | User Profile
From his upcoming and highly anticipated comeback album "You Are The Quarry", here's the first single with video for "Irish Blood, English Heart": [url]http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/morrissey/artist.jhtml[/url]
[B]IRISH BLOOD, ENGLISH HEART[/B]
[I]Irish blood, English heart This Iââ¬â¢m made of There is no one on earth Iââ¬â¢m afraid of And no regime Can buy or sell me Iââ¬â¢ve been dreaming of a time when To be English Is not to be baneful To be standing by the flag not feeling Shameful, racist or partial Irish Blood, English heart This Iââ¬â¢m made of There is no one on earth Iââ¬â¢m afraid of And I will die With both my hands untied Iââ¬â¢ve been dreaming of a time when The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories and spit upon the name of [B]Oliver Cromwell[/B] and denounce this royal line that still Salute him / and will salute him forever[/I]
[COLOR=DarkRed]Wasn't Oliver Cromwell the one who demanded bringing the jews back into England against the wishes of the King??[/COLOR]
2004-04-23 21:27 | User Profile
:thumbsup:
Thanks for the heads-up, x.
I need advice I need advice Nobody ever laughs at me twice
2004-04-24 02:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]From his upcoming and highly anticipated comeback album "You Are The Quarry", here's the first single with video for "Irish Blood, English Heart": [url]http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/morrissey/artist.jhtml[/url]
[B]IRISH BLOOD, ENGLISH HEART[/B]
[I]Irish blood, English heart This I’m made of There is no one on earth I’m afraid of And no regime Can buy or sell me I’ve been dreaming of a time when To be English Is not to be baneful To be standing by the flag not feeling Shameful, racist or partial Irish Blood, English heart This I’m made of There is no one on earth I’m afraid of And I will die With both my hands untied I’ve been dreaming of a time when The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories and spit upon the name of [B]Oliver Cromwell[/B] and denounce this royal line that still Salute him / and will salute him forever[/I]
[COLOR=DarkRed]Wasn't Oliver Cromwell the one who demanded bringing the jews back into England against the wishes of the King??[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I know nothing about Morrissey's music. Tantalizing lyrics there - but they could be interpreted in different ways. "Shameful, racist or partial"? Is that a rightful condemnation of the wog/race traitor tactic of smearing English patriots, or is it a denunciation of those who think being English means being White? Hard to tell really.
And as for the bit about Cromwell, it too could mean different things: yes, the fool let the jewwws back in - but he also caused massive bloodshed in Ireland.
2004-04-24 04:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]Is that a rightful condemnation of the wog/race traitor tactic of smearing English patriots, or is it a denunciation of those who think being English means being White? Hard to tell really.[/QUOTE]
As one who's been there since "Hand in Glove", I can tell you it's the former.
Rock on, Steven Patrick. England for the English! :thumbsup:
On a side note, with that extra weight Steven is looking more than bit like Brian Ferry.
2004-04-24 04:25 | User Profile
I read 20 years ago, that Cromwell inslaved 80,000 Irish women and sent them to Jamaica and other slave locations to interbreed with savages so great was his hate of the Irish. The article I read stated their were still some high yellow Jamaican women who spoke Gaelic in the 1950's. I should have done a Google search to confirm this first, perhaps.
2004-04-24 08:33 | User Profile
I confess that I once listened to this gent, many years ago when he sang for the Smiths. I was young then. Now I am older and wiser.
I still recall his awful lisp when he sang: ââ¬ÅIââ¬â¢m sooooo stricken.ââ¬Â A fudgepacker is a fudgepacker. His songs have pathos without reason.
2004-04-25 05:09 | User Profile
[url]http://indigo.ie/~wildgees/index.htm[/url]
2004-04-25 06:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sertorius [url]http://indigo.ie/~wildgees/index.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
[I]There were no white survivors. The bodies were scattered over a wide area from near the Little Big Horn river up along the hill. Who died first or last? No one knows. All the soldiers except Custer and Keogh were scalped and mutilated.
Comanche
Picture the battle scene two days later when the remainder of the 7th cavalry came to witness. All around is stillness, and as far as the eye can see nothing moves. There are dead bodies everywhere, but in the distance there is a tiny movement. Moving closer a horse raises its head and neighs weakly. It is Comanche, the horse of Myles Keogh. He is taken to a nearby Army Post and nursed back to health, and eventually is transferred to Fort Riley, Kan. where he remained until his death in 1891. His body was then transferred to the University of Kansas, where it was preserved and mounted by a taxidermist. Today it is exhibited in a climate-controlled case on the fourth floor of the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, Kansas. It is the Museums prime exhibit, representing as it does a symbol of the American frontier, and the equestrian role in taming the Old West.
Comanche was born in the wild in 1862 on the borders of Oklahoma and Texas. He became the mount of Myles Keogh in 1868, and they never parted, until the Little Big Horn. [/I]
2004-04-25 07:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Polish Noble]I was young then. Now I am older and wiser.[/QUOTE]
But yet you dismiss him, not allowing him the same caveat.
2004-04-25 09:53 | User Profile
Tex, I doubt that he has stopped being a hermaphrodite. But who knows for sure? Miracles do happen.
My views on art and music have changed considerably since 1985, not my sexuality, which has always been heterosexual.
2004-04-26 03:40 | User Profile
English-born, Irish-blooded John Lennon's intense lyric on this subject seems to conclude that the English, at least in Ireland, don't--have hearts, that is.
[I]The Luck of the Irish
If you had the luck of the Irish You'd be sorry and wish you were dead You should have the luck of the Irish And you'd wish you was English instead!
A thousand years of torture and hunger Drove the people away from their land A land full of beauty and wonder Was raped by the British brigands! Goddamn! Goddamn!
If you could keep voices like flowers There'd be shamrock all over the world If you could drink dreams like Irish streams Then the world would be high as the mountain of morn
In the 'Pool they told us the story How the English divided the land Of the pain, the death and the glory And the poets of auld Eireland
If we could make chains with the morning dew The world would be like Galway Bay Let's walk over rainbows like leprechauns The world would be one big Blarney stone
Why the hell are the English there anyway? As they kill with God on their side Blame it all on the kids the IRA As the bastards commit genocide! Aye! Aye! Genocide!
If you had the luck of the Irish You'd be sorry and wish you was dead You should have the luck of the Irish And you'd wish you was English instead! Yes you'd wish you was English instead! [/I]
2004-04-26 12:47 | User Profile
Thanks for the heads-up, x.
I need advice I need advice Nobody ever laughs at me twice[/QUOTE]
Thanks Tex, and your welcome as well. I'm going to see Morrissey May 6th, in NYC, can't wait. 3rd time seeing Moz live and I recommend anyone to attend one of his shows. Morrissey has said in many interviews that he's dismayed that England has lost it's "englishness" over the recent years. He's been accused in the British press of being a racist but he claims he's not. Several songs indicate he's tuned into the racial problems in the UK and uses his superior wit to sing about those problems. His fans include skinheads and I've seen them at his shows. Whether that's good or bad, I don't know, but it's sure intriguing. Also, it's never been proved that Moz is gay either. He's never said he was and was never "outed". However, he's been spotted numerous times with women. He keeps his sexuality an enigma to stimulate his appeal to the outcasts and misfits, I'd guess. As for his new single, "Irish Blood, English Heart", he certainly knows how to compress 1100 years of history into a 2:30 minute song. Moz is a genius.
PS, Thanks to those who provided info on Oliver Cromwell. That guy seems like he was corrupted and vile.
2004-04-26 14:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Also, it's never been proved that Moz is gay either. He's never said he was and was never "outed". However, he's been spotted numerous times with women. .[/QUOTE]
Gays will always exist, but as long as they keep their "gayness" in the closet, and do not allow it to be their defining attribute, they are fine by me.
I just might become a listener again.
2004-05-03 14:29 | User Profile
Morrissey's headlining the Lollapalooza Tour this summer, these dates just annonced.... (Tex, if you're near Dallas, TX, this might be your chance to see Moz....and he's performing several Smiths songs on this tour as he's been doing on the last few tours.)
US (Lollapalooza 2004)
July 14 Auburn, WA - White River Amphitheatre
July 17 Mountain View, CA - Shoreline Amphitheare
July 26 Englewood, CO - Coors Amphitheatre
July 29 Tinley Park, IL - Tweeter Center
Aug. 2 Clarkston, MI - DTE Energy Music Theatre
Canada (Lollapalooza 2004)
Aug. 5 Toronto, ON - Molson Amphitheatre
US (Lollapalooza 2004)
Aug. 9 Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Blossom Music Center
Aug. 12 Columbia, MD - Merriweather Post
Aug. 14 Mansfield, MA - Tweeter Center
Aug. 18 Camden, NJ - Tweeter Center at the Waterfront
Aug. 21 Atlanta, GA - Turner Field
Aug. 24 Dallas, TX - Smirnoff Music Center
2004-05-03 14:32 | User Profile
"Aug. 24 Dallas, TX - Smirnoff Music Center"
I fear the poor man will melt in our Texas heat, especially at an outdoor venue. Still, I'm tempted...
2004-05-24 07:09 | User Profile
Morrissey will be appearing on Craig Kilborn's late night show all week.
2004-05-24 13:24 | User Profile
Bengali, Bengali oh shelve your Western plans and understand that life is hard enough when you belong here --Bengali In Platforms
England for the English ! England for the English ! ... There's a country; you don't live there But one day you would like to And if you show them what you're made of Oh, then you might do ... ... To the National Front Disco Because you want the day to come sooner You want the day to come sooner You want the day to come sooner When you've settled the score --National Front Disco
Oh Asian boy What are drugs are you on ? Oh... strange
Tooled-up Asian boy Has come to take revenge For the cruel, cold killing Of his very best friend Tooled-up Asian boy Has come to avenge The cruel, cold killing Of his only friend --Asian Rut
I used to dream, and I used to vow I wouldn't dream of it now We look to Los Angeles For the language we use London is dead, London is dead --Glamorous Glue
2004-05-25 09:52 | User Profile
Never thought I'd be agreeing with Polish Noble, but...after having my ear bent about The Smiths a donkey's age ago I finally borrowed a few albums to hear what I'd been missing. Wayyyy too fey and lavender-sounding for my tastes. There were a few times where I thought I felt my white-blood-cell count dropping precipitously, if I wasn't catching full-blown AIDS listening to them. Musically, they were jangle-pop, which was in vogue among college kids all through the 80s but never commanded my attention or affection. Nothing [I]terrible [/I] about it, but not very compelling either.
Even the song titles put me off. "Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want" sounds like something one of Walter's old college buddies might've whispered to an empty glory hole. "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" was equally shoegazing whininess, and even though it's an instrumental, "Oscillate Wildly" sounds like instructions you'd give (or - shudder - [I]receive[/I]) while on all fours.
I guess I never caught Smiths Fever, and to no doubt make it worse it was Morrissey's disinterested, androgynous voice that distanced me the most. Which is strange because I generally don't disdain poofter-music pro forma - I don't mind The Church, and I like Bowie. But the Smiths never did it for me.
2004-05-25 15:31 | User Profile
The Church. I can't think of any band more resistant to the effects of aging.
If you don't mind the Church, may i suggest giving their latest offering, [I]Forget Yourself [/I] a listen. The band's most consistent effort since [I]Starfish[/I].
2004-05-25 15:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=EDUMAKATEDMOFO]The Church. I can't think of any band more resistant to the effects of aging.
If you don't mind the Church, may i suggest giving their latest offering, [I]Forget Yourself [/I] a listen. The band's most consistent effort since [I]Starfish[/I].[/QUOTE]
Thanks, EM. Starfish is well-positioned within my top 5 favorite albums of all time. Hardly a month goes by I don't give that a spin at some time or another. Priest=Aura also had about four or five good songs, but you're right in that it just wasn't consistent. Starfish however, is a great, great album from start to finish.
Follow her down to worship some god who never speaks to me I wonder if that's odd
Then he says, "you're never listening."
:thumbsup: :punk:
2004-05-25 16:39 | User Profile
That's a pretty harsh review, IR. No accounting for taste I guess and you're probably a little older than high school and college in the 80s. I really liked the Smiths. Intelligent lyrics, tongue-in-cheek humor, a little iconoclastic with driving rhythm and Morrissey's over the top, Wilde wannabe, pretentious delivery. Awesome, though if you weren't there at the time I can see how you wouldn't appreciate it. I liked Morrissey solo too, but not nearly as much as the Smiths. M gets all the attention, but in my opinion their sound was in large part due to the tremendous bass guitar played by Andy Rourke. Probably the best example of what I like about the Smiths is found on the album 'Hatful of Hollow' with the songs "What Difference Does it Make?", "These Things take Time" and "Still Ill". That particular album has a rougher sound to it and it gives you a sense of the drive and height their music could attain. Overall, sometimes pedestrian and sometimes great. The fact we're still talking about them says something, I think. We should probably have a Morrissey lyric of the week here at OD.
The 80s was a tremendous decade for what was considered at the time, "alternative" music, especially out of the UK. You may not care for the Smiths, but similar bands like Echo & the Bunnymen (Songs to Learn and Sing) and A House (On our Big Fat Merry-Go-Round) produced some nice work that really stands the test of time.
Anyway, enough said about all that. Good memories, though.
You say, "Ere long done do does did" Words which could only be your own And then produce the text from whence was ripped Some dizzy whore, eighteeen hundred and four!
2004-05-25 16:58 | User Profile
Oh, yeah, it's definitely a generational thing. If you came of age listening to the Stones, Beatles and Kinks (in mono!!), then everything that came after in the 70s is sellout bastardization; if you broke your aural cherry in the 70s with Black Sabbath, Jethro Tull & the like, then 80s music is sterile and overcommercial...and so on, decade by decade.Of course, when the 90s arrived they brought with [I]them [/I] a skidful of New Turks who [naturally] rejected everything the 80s outfits stood for.
Now is it me or did the whole apparatus groan, clank and expire around 5 or 6 years ago? If rock and roll [in all its permutations] isn't dead, it's sure doing a spot-on impression of it. I will freely admit that a lot of 80s music turned me off at the time. I never hated that stuff, but the particular pull of many 80s phenoms like the Smiths/Cure/Church/Teardrop Explodes/U2,etc still mostly eludes me. But in a world of Britney, Kid Rock and 50 Cent, even one of those shoegazer records of yore is bound to sound pretty good by comparison. At least they sound like [I]bands [/I] and not prefabricated 'music product' - not just [I]ready [/I] for prime time television, but incapable of surviving without it.
2004-05-25 17:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Now is it me or did the whole apparatus groan, clank and expire around 5 or 6 years ago? If rock and roll [in all its permutations] isn't dead, it's sure doing a spot-on impression of it. I will freely admit that a lot of 80s music turned me off at the time. I never hated that stuff, but the particular pull of many 80s phenoms like the Smiths/Cure/Church/Teardrop Explodes/U2,etc still mostly eludes me. But in a world of Britney, Kid Rock and 50 Cent, even one of those shoegazer records of yore is bound to sound pretty good by comparison. At least they sound like [I]bands [/I] and not prefabricated 'music product' - not just [I]ready [/I] for prime time television, but incapable of surviving without it.[/QUOTE]
Well, you know as well as I what killed it--three letters, MTV. The Wal-Martization of music, or the corporatizing levelling process that eventually kills the soul of everything it touches.
I've often thought of putting up an "OD Song of the Week" here, loading up an mp3 file every week or so for a change of pace. I don't know if that's legal or not, though. Do you know?
2004-05-25 18:10 | User Profile
I really rather like the Smiths. I will freely admit that they could go a little overboard with the angst and pathos sometimes, but they put out some really great songs.
QUOTE=Texas DissidentWell, you know as well as I what killed it--three letters, MTV. The Wal-Martization of music, or the corporatizing levelling process that eventually kills the soul of everything it touches.
Hear, hear! My local gym always plays the (c)rap station, so I have to hear it while I work out. I have been exposed to such soaring poetry as, "I like dat, doo it genn, don't com 'lone, brang a frayn" and "Gonna get 'em in they birfday suit." Good night, but that music stinks!
QUOTE=Texas Dissident I've often thought of putting up an "OD Song of the Week" here, loading up an mp3 file every week or so for a change of pace. I don't know if that's legal or not, though. Do you know?[/QUOTE] I don't know either, Tex, but I would speculate that you would be on firmer legal ground if you posted it as streaming audio, instead of as a downloadable mp3.
2004-05-25 18:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]I don't know either, Tex, but I would speculate that you would be on firmer legal ground if you posted it as streaming audio, instead of as a downloadable mp3.[/QUOTE]
Do you know how to do this?
2004-05-25 18:28 | User Profile
QUOTE=Texas DissidentDo you know how to do this?[/QUOTE] I have set up a program called Netjuke on a Linux server before, but it requires a back-end database, and is probably overkill for a song-a-week type of application. If you are running a Windows server, and you want a commercial product, then I would check out [url="http://www.shoutcast.com/"]Shoutcast[/url].
If you are running a linux server, or if you are running a Windows server but want to use an open source program, then I would check out [url="http://www.icecast.org/index.php"]Icecast[/url] (which is Shoutcast compatible, by the way.) Here is a guide to setting up Icecast -- [url="http://www.linuxlookup.com/html/guides/streaming-mp3.html"]http://www.linuxlookup.com/html/guides/streaming-mp3.html[/url] I have not actually used it, so use at your own risk.
2004-05-28 01:45 | User Profile
Oliver Cromwell is considered the worst English tyrant in history. He sent tens of thousands of Irish slaves to the Carribean were they were worked to death in the heat.
2004-06-25 01:48 | User Profile
I bought the "Irish Blood, English Heart" cd single yesterday, and I like it! I like all four songs on the single cd. (xmetalhead I PM'ed you about this-hope you get to read it)
2004-06-25 03:36 | User Profile
I was in France when this thread took off. I didn't realize there were that many folks interested in Morrissey. Il Ragno's review of The Smiths is to be expected from those who only first listen to them today and not in context of their heyday back in '84 and '85.
Morrissey was supposed to be on tour this summer with The Lollapalooza Festival, but due to poor ticket sales, the whole tour was cancelled. I think Moz is goin to put together his own tour soon, to further promote his new CD "You Are The Quarry", and I highly recommend seeing him live. I saw him in NYC in early May and he's quite amazing, as always. His voice is absolutely incredible.
Moz has been accused of being gay. He's not. My friend, a huge Smiths fan, is a music producer in NYC and earlier this year he worked on a project with Morrissey's former drummer Spencer Cobrin. Of course they got around to talking about Moz, and Spencer related that it was very difficult to work with Moz, very demanding and a serious perfectionist and very moody. He said Morrissey never got over losing his court case against former Smiths bassist Andy Rourke and drummer Mike Joyce. Moz lost over 1 million pounds to them for back royalties, but the former Smiths had a set contract for splitting royalties and Moz claims that those two won over a corrupt judge and therefore won. Johhny Marr also had to pay out too, 1 million pounds.
Anyway, my friend asked about Moz's sexuality and Spencer told him he's not gay, but he's a seriously tortured soul and seriously introverted and shy. Spencer said that women were always after him, but he's not sure if anything ever developed with any of them. Anyways, that's the scoop.