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2004-04-23 17:08 | User Profile
I wonder if Buchanan or Raimondo will rebut this....
From WorldNetDaily: [url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38178[/url]
Blame Bush, not the Jews, for Iraq
By Ilana Mercer April 23, 2004
Asked by the nation's premier investigative reporter if he had sought his dad's advice before invading Iraq, President Bush replied that his earthly father would have been the wrong father to petition. "There's a higher Father that I appeal to."
The 41st president of the United States was hardly the only worthy whose opinion Bush the son failed to solicit. According to Bob Woodward's new book, "Plan of Attack," Bush wanted to invade and that was that. He didn't much discuss the war or its possible aftermath with anybody, with one exception: the holy ghost, Dick Cheney.
Bob Woodward's shoe-leather reporting is as thorough as when he and Carl Bernstein broke the Watergate scandal 30 years ago. And Woodward's 75-odd interviews with members of this administration's inner sanctums, Bush included, nail down the most notable fact of this presidency ââ¬â it's a top-down affair. President Bush doesn't readily consult or even take directions from his Cabinet, much less from his neoconservative minions.
In Woodward's words, "Bush is in charge. Bush is all over it."
Described as Woodward's "most powerful and persuasive book in years," Democrats and Republicans are touting it on their respective websites. Cleaving to facts as it does, the Woodward volume is an antidote to the conspiracy kooks' [url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31594]logically lame[/url] fulminations, that this was a war by a Jewish neocon cabal for the benefit ââ¬â and at the behest ââ¬â of Israel.
Those who saw "Jewish machinations" ââ¬â where there were only officials who happened to be Jewish ââ¬â accused these Jews of taking Americans to war to "build [a] greater Zion" in the Middle East. In the wonderfully apposite words of Canadian commentator Rex Murphy: "Some of those who most see themselves as critics of the Israeli side of this conflict ... seem to think they have some extra warrant or righteousness in how far they can go to express their detestation of Israel's policies, its government, and then by extension of Jews." These critics tarred as traitors Jewish neoconservatives in and around the administration for a policy directed by the commander in chief with unidirectional, God-inspired gusto.
Indeed, "Just five days after Sept. 11, the president [my emphasis] indicated to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice that he was determined to do something about Saddam Hussein." On Nov. 21, 2001, the man who characterized his war as "the story of the 21st Century," demanded an invasion plan from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. "Get on it," the president commanded. Gen. Tommy Franks was then given carte blanche to develop such a strategy, for which the president, unbeknownst to Congress, siphoned $700 million from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War.
Woodward's Gulf War II cast of characters is even better than the Watergate lineup. These include:
_The squabbling exiles. Contra the conspiracy-mongers, it was not the Israelis, but the leader of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi, and other defectors who fed the administration fabricated information about weapons of mass destruction.
_The "Rock Stars," members of an Iraqi-based Muslim sect hired by the CIA to help topple Saddam.
_Two Kurdish groups with whom recruitment agreements were signed.
_Codename "Saul," Woodward's latest "Deep Throat," a CIA secret agent who urged invasion. "Saul" is Cuban (in case you anticipated an Israeli from the Shin Bet).
Bush's handiwork was all over this last initiative as well. On Feb. 16, 2002, he signed a "Top Secret intelligence order" granting authority to the CIA and the military to commence covert operations in Iraq.
Dec. 21, 2002, saw CIA Director George Tenet and his deputy John McLaughlin summoned to the Oval Office to screen a slideshow of Iraq's alleged WMD. George Bush was wholly unimpressed by this "rough cut": "Nice try, but that isn't gonna sell Joe Public." Never a marionette, the president made it clear that Tenet must deliver on his promised intelligence "slam dunk."
Puppet masters were nowhere apparent when, in January 2003, Bush told no one but Rice and Rumsfeld he had made up his mind: It's war. Almost as an afterthought, Rice reminded him to apprise Colin Powell. But another dignitary perused the top secret war plans first. No, the blueprints were not shown to Ariel Sharon. Marked explicitly "Nonforn" (not to be viewed by any foreign national), the plans were shared with ... Saudi Arabia. Prince Bandar, a frequent Oval Office pop-in, signed off on the order of battle before Powell and sealed the deal with a pledge to keep down oil prices before the November 2004 elections.
After Powell was finally briefed ââ¬â a 12-minute meeting! ââ¬â he warned Bush: "You know, you're going to be owning this place [Iraq]." To his credit, Bush has always "owned" the war. He helped Woodward document his will to war with unsparing detail.
"Plan of Attack" proves Iraq was Bush's attack and Bush's plan. After Woodward, only the tinfoil-hat crowd can blame the Jews for it.
2004-04-23 17:18 | User Profile
Those who saw "Jewish machinations" – where there were only officials who happened to be Jewish – accused these Jews of taking Americans to war to "build [a] greater Zion" in the Middle East.
Those who saw "Mafia gunmen" - where there were only private-carting-company executives who happened to be Sicilian - accused these Italians of "whacking the capo di tutti capi" Paul Castellano outside Sparks' Steakhouse in midtown Manhattan. (A crime syndicate is a crime syndicate.)
Not that this lets Bush off the hook. As our premier Christian Zionist, he is every bit as guilty as our dual citizens.
2004-04-23 17:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Zut Alors]Not that this lets Bush off the hook. As our premier Christian Zionist, he is every bit as guilty as our dual citizens.[/QUOTE]
Technically, that isn't even true at a religious level. Bush is a Methodist, not a dispensationalist...apparently not a devout one.
2004-04-23 17:46 | User Profile
Why wouldn't I want to blame Bush and a lot of Jews instead?
The [I]a priori[/I] of anti-anti-Semitism is that unless every single Jew in the world is involved in an action, 'Jews' can't be blamed. Just people who happened to be Jewish, and whose actions of course have [I]absolutely no connection[/I] to the wider Jewish community or culture.
2004-04-23 19:38 | User Profile
Bush is a Methodist, not a dispensationalist...apparently not a devout one.
Whatever; all I know is his mealymouthed public utterances about his private confabs with Yahweh are getting both old and scary. If I wasn't already hip to Hymie, I might look at a Bush press conference and feel scared to death that this melonhead was in charge.
The problem is, I look next at Kerry and see one of the monsters from THEY LIVE, and without my sunglasses on.
2004-04-24 02:43 | User Profile
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April 21, 2004
Locked On Course To Wider War By Paul Craig Roberts
The American public has been deceived and locked on a course toward conscription and a wider war.
On April 20 Republican Senator Chuck Hagel acknowledged the deceit when he urged the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to support the restoration of compulsory military service. The draft must be reinstated, the Republican Senator said, in order that the US can continue its military occupation of Iraq.
On the same day, top Pentagon officials informed Congress that the promised transfer of sovereignty to Iraq on June 30 is meaningless as the US military will retain authority to operate unhindered in Iraq regardless of the transfer of ââ¬Åsovereignty.ââ¬Â Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told Congress that June 30 was not ââ¬Åa magical dateââ¬Â that spelled the end of US military rule over Iraq.
No one believes Iraqis will accept sham sovereignty. Far more troops than a volunteer army can provide will be needed to put down their uprising. Thus, Republicans are agitating to reinstate the draft.
President Bush has used every possible opportunity to spread conflagration in the Middle East. In a diplomatic coup dââ¬â¢etat, Bush sabotaged the Middle East peace process by agreeing to a Greater Israel via Ariel Sharonââ¬â¢s annexation of Palestineââ¬â¢s West Bank. Not content with this affront, our President rubbed salt in Muslim wounds by describing Israelââ¬â¢s murder of Palestinian political leaders as acts of self-defense.
Our Middle Eastern allies--essentially American paid puppets --feel the ground shaking under them. In deference to Muslim outrage, the King of Jordan canceled his scheduled meeting with President Bush, effectively giving the finger to ââ¬Åthe most powerful man on earth.ââ¬Â
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said that Bush had created unprecedented ââ¬Åhatred of Americans like never before in the region.ââ¬Â ââ¬ÅThere was no hatred of Americans,ââ¬Â Mubarak said, but ââ¬Åafter what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred.ââ¬Â The image of America as an honest broker is shattered. ââ¬ÅThe despair and feeling of injustice are not going to be limited to our region alone. American and Israeli interests will not be safe, not only in our region but anywhere in the world,ââ¬Â Mubarak said sadly.
Bushââ¬â¢s neocon overlords have Bush where they and Ariel Sharon want him, locked on a course toward wider war, with American troops, supplied by conscription, serving as Israelââ¬â¢s legions.
Betrayed by a media that works as governmentââ¬â¢s propaganda arm, the American public has no idea of the tragedy that President Bush has prepared for them.
The Bush administration deceived the American public with fabricated tales of nonexistent Iraqi WMD and nonexistent Iraqi links to Osama bin Laden. Bush sent the American Secretary of State to lie to the UN. Bush gratuitously invaded Iraq and proceeded to destroy what remained of a country sacked by 14 years of sanctions and American bombings.
Bushââ¬â¢s neocon overlords attempted to spread the war into Syria and Iran, but were prevented by the lack of US troops. They did succeed, however, in provoking Iraqi uprisings to keep the pot boiling until they could find some new fuel to pour on the flames.
That has now been done with Bushââ¬â¢s assent to Israelââ¬â¢s annexation of the West Bank.
Having surely provoked further uprisings and further acts of terror, Bush will use the violence he provokes to call for more troops and wider incursions to deal with ââ¬Åthugs and criminals, who are preventing us from bringing freedom to the Middle East.ââ¬Â
We are bringing fire and destruction to the Middle East. And to ourselves.
This is exactly what American evangelical Christians desire, according to George Monbiot. In The Guardian (April 20), Monbiot describes the strong support Christian fundamentalists provide for Bushââ¬â¢s Middle Eastern war. ââ¬ÅTrue believersââ¬Â actively seek to provoke a final battle with the Muslim world. They believe this will usher in the Rapture, and they will be wafted up to heaven, where they will sit at the right hand of God and watch the rest of us endure the Years of Tribulation.
According to Monbiot, ââ¬ÅAmerican pollsters believe that 15-18% of US voters belong to churches or movements which subscribe to these teachings. A survey in 1999 suggested that this figure included 33% of Republicans. The best-selling contemporary books in the US are the 12 volumes of the Left Behind series, which provide a fictionalized account of the Rapture.ââ¬Â
In 2002 when the US foreign policy community still had a say (it no longer does), Bush asked Sharon to pull his tanks out of Jenin. Angry emails from 100,000 Christian fundamentalists flooded the White House, and Bush never mentioned the matter again.
With the public inattentive, there is no check on the Christian-Zionist agitation to escalate the Middle Eastern conflict. Prepare to sacrifice your sons to Christian fundamentalist delusion and to a Greater Israel.
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Paul Craig Roberts was Associate Editor of the WSJ editorial page, 1978-80, and columnist for ââ¬ÅPolitical Economy.ââ¬Â During 1981-82 he was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution: An Insiderââ¬â¢s Account of Policymaking in Washington.
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2004-04-24 03:27 | User Profile
About this thread topic: read this, from an e-list:
The Iraq War and O.S.P.
We have heard people -- especially Jewish news columnists in the U.S. -- say that "President George W. Bush and Cheney and Rice are not Jewish. How can you nasty 'anti-Semites' say that the Iraq War was 'created by the Jews to benefit Israel?'"
Those people mentioned above are not Jewish. But according to many legitimate news articles and sources, a key factor leading to the Iraq War was within a group of Americans in an office called O.S.P., or Office of Special Plans. The people who led the O.S.P. were Jewish. Read about O.S.P. here: [url]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4123.htm[/url] [mentions Wolfowitz, Shulsky, Feith and their roles at O.S.P.; scroll about 1/3 down the page]. [1]
The O.S.P. operation mentioned as being conceived by Wolfowitz here: [url]http://www.subliminalnews.com/archives/000060.php[/url]
About a "justification for war" in Iraq here: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html[/url] [scroll about 1/5 down the page; this is a very important article about O.S.P.; we suggest saving it; note the mention of Israel and O.S.P.].
[1] "Jewish" is usually a race/ethnic group, excepting the rare convert to Judaism-the-religion
2004-04-24 17:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]The a priori of anti-anti-Semitism is that unless every single Jew in the world is involved in an action, 'Jews' can't be blamed. Just people who happened to be Jewish, and whose actions of course have absolutely no connection to the wider Jewish community or culture.[/QUOTE] That is exactly right. Jews are never to blame for the negative stuff - its always just misguided individuals. However, with all the positive stuff (like Einstein's contributions to Physics), it is the Jewish people who have given us the gift. Heads I win, tails you lose.
2004-04-25 03:35 | User Profile
Almost anything that comes out of WorldNutDaily anymore is totally Semitic.
I doubt Farah is really an "Arab-American."
2004-04-25 04:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Blame Bush, not the Jews, for Iraq[/QUOTE] How about "Blame Bush AND the Jews for Iraq"? Sounds good to me.
2004-04-25 04:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The a priori of anti-anti-Semitism is that unless every single Jew in the world is involved in an action, 'Jews' can't be blamed. [/QUOTE] That's probably a fair characterization of what anti-anti-Semites contend. Of course, even if we accept their contention as true, it gets them nowhere, as "every single Jew in the world" is involved in every action taken by the Jewish community. That's what it means to be a Jew. But even if that weren't true, it still wouldn't matter, because we have no moral obligations to Jews.
"Blame" is a moral concept, but a fundamental presupposition of morality is [I]reciprocity[/I] -- reciprocity of rights and obligations. Jews have opted out of the universal moral community, and have adopted (in both the Torah and the Talmud) a moral code in which Jews owe no moral obligations to gentiles. Ipso facto, we gentiles owe no moral obligations to Jews.
2004-04-25 12:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]That's probably a fair characterization of what anti-anti-Semites contend. Of course, even if we accept their contention as true, it gets them nowhere, as "every single Jew in the world" is involved in every action taken by the Jewish community. That's what it means to be a Jew. But even if that weren't true, it still wouldn't matter, because we have no moral obligations to Jews.
"Blame" is a moral concept, but a fundamental presupposition of morality is [I]reciprocity[/I] -- reciprocity of rights and obligations. Jews have opted out of the universal moral community, and have adopted (in both the Torah and the Talmud) a moral code in which Jews owe no moral obligations to gentiles. Ipso facto, we gentiles owe no moral obligations to Jews.[/QUOTE]
Outstandingly well put. :thumbsup:
The Jews double standards are clear for all to see. Jewry are concerned that their anti-Semite guise is starting to wear thin. The anti-Christ Talmud, is indeed the source of much Jewish error.
Before the Jews lived in Egypt they where basically barbarians. I surmise that egyptians whom taxed the Jews quite fairly exiled them due to their failure to assimilate in to their society. The Romans seemed to think that the Jews where the enemy of humanity and Judea was never a governable province.
As for Western Europe the European correctly identified the Jew as a threat intent on subverting and usurping her hoard and was powerful enough a effectively counter to Jewry until around century and a half ago. Their is no house including those of the Turks and Arabs that has not been subverted by the Jews at one time or another. It's simple America's turn to be tested and she has failed abysmally for she has weak cultural walls.
The Israeli Jews do seem genuinely convinced that the entire world is plotting against them. They are clearly being both deceived and conditioned this way as policy and for a ideologically driven purpose.
This purpose, of course being Jewish world domination of a servile, bastardised sub-humanity. They want the two thousand goy slaves promised to them by there satanic Talmud.
Gregz
2004-04-25 14:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The Israeli Jews do seem genuinely convinced that the entire world is plotting against them. [/QUOTE] This paranoia parallels the unduly trusting nature of Western nations. Each phenomenon is an example of egomorphism (the tendency to ascribe one's own attributes to others), and neither is adaptive. Westerners trust because they are trustworthy; Jews distrust because they are duplicitous.
2004-04-25 15:35 | User Profile
We want the Jews to leave our lands and have been very far from inconsistent about this. People have a tendency to see what they want to see.
Gregz
"According to a European Commission survey, fifty-nine percent of Europeans said that Israel is a larger threat to world peace than North Korea, Iran or Afghanistan. Diaspora Affairs Minister Natan Sharansky accused Europeans of being anti-Semitic, for placing Israel on the list above countries that serve as bases of terrorism, like Iraq and Iran."
2004-04-25 17:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]This paranoia parallels the unduly trusting nature of Western nations. Each phenomenon is an example of egomorphism (the tendency to ascribe one's own attributes to others), and neither is adaptive. [COLOR=Red]Westerners trust because they are trustworthy; Jews distrust because they are duplicitous.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]Methinks that a greater problem for Jews is that most of the West does not care what happens as long as they get oil.
2004-04-25 19:08 | User Profile
A Jew favorably reviewing a book written by a Jew exonerating a gang of Jews. The controled media, gotta love it.
2004-04-26 11:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"Blame" is a moral concept, but a fundamental presupposition of morality is reciprocity -- reciprocity of rights and obligations. Jews have opted out of the universal moral community, and have adopted (in both the Torah and the Talmud) a moral code in which Jews owe no moral obligations to gentiles. Ipso facto, we gentiles owe no moral obligations to Jews.[/QUOTE]
Very well put.
The Talmud opts out of the Natural Law in its entirety, since reciprocity forms the very plinth of the Natural Law. After all, it just doesn't get much more fundamental than the Golden Rule.
I think that's why the Jews decided to kill Jesus - he insisted on reciprocity for gentiles, as Ygg described so well in his exegesis of the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jesus taught that even if a gentile - even the despised Smaritans - did you a good deed, then you were obliged to recognize him as your fellow and all lawful duties owed to him.
But this contradicted terribly the Pharisaical "one-way-street" tradition later enshrined in the Talmud, and so they killed Jesus.
Walter