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2004-04-23 04:22 | User Profile
[url]http://wsi.matriots.com/ww2_simplified.html[/url] [feedback wanted]
2004-04-23 06:17 | User Profile
When I edited that page just now to fix a date error, it messed up the footnotes. I fixed them. Sorry.
2004-04-23 22:39 | User Profile
That page has been edited yet again for spelling errors... :angry:
2004-04-24 04:18 | User Profile
How can a timeline for events leading up to WW2 leave out the dismemberment of Germany at Versailles? Undoubtedly the seeds of WW2 were sown at Versailles.
2004-04-24 05:46 | User Profile
Versailles is mentioned in the footnotes, but you are correct. It will be added.
2004-04-24 10:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]How can a timeline for events leading up to WW2 leave out the dismemberment of Germany at Versailles? Undoubtedly the seeds of WW2 were sown at Versailles.[/QUOTE]They werent two different wars but one war with a twenty year interlude. World War I didnt end in 1918, it just experienced a temporary ceasefire.
2004-04-24 13:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter Phillips]They werent two different wars but one war with a twenty year interlude. World War I didnt end in 1918, it just experienced a temporary ceasefire.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, White War part 1 and 2. When the Jews killed us, basically.
2004-04-24 16:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter Phillips]They werent two different wars but one war with a twenty year interlude. World War I didnt end in 1918, it just experienced a temporary ceasefire.[/QUOTE]I agree and would blame the terms of the 1918 armistice for being the principal cause.
Contrary to popular American belief we were in World War II long before Pearl Harbor. The passage of the Lend-Lease Act in March 1941 justified a declaration of war by Germany. Other actions just as those before our formal entry into World War I were clearly antagonistic to the Germans.
If you want to go back further, the seeds were definetely implanted by the Franco-Prussian War of 1871. Germany had unified and was trying to rise. My guess is that the world would be much better off if the English had reached an accomodation with the Germans, even at the latest by Dunkirk in 1940.
2004-04-24 17:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=edward gibbon]My guess is that the world would be much better off if the English had reached an accomodation with the Germans, even at the latest by Dunkirk in 1940.[/QUOTE] Our greatest mistake was to stick our noses into World War I and enlarge the conflict. That single act cost Europe millions more men in WWI and then WWII.
2004-04-24 17:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Yeah, White War part 1 and 2. When the Jews killed us, basically.[/QUOTE] Im not sure if Jewish influence by itself can account for World War I. I think we underestimate the extent of the hatred and mutual dislike that flowed directly from extreme German and French nationalism. So I am not convinced that Jews "killed" us in WWI. They mightve been instrumental in bringing the United States into conflict but thats not initiating the war.
The war was initiated as a result of the tremendous friction between the German and French Nationalisms that grew strong in the 19th century (and the allying of British and French nationalisms to counter the power of a rising Germany).
To be perfectly honest, we have not historically needed Jews to start fights in Europe. The hundred years' war, for example, needed no Jews. The Romans slaughtered all opposition that stood in their way several centuries ago when Jews were no more than an impoverished tribe of desert dwellers.
So I would say that while I see Jewish influence at work, I am cautious about exaggerating it. I think we tend to overestimate Jewish power more than circumstances would justify.
2004-04-24 19:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter Phillips]Our greatest mistake was to stick our noses into World War I and enlarge the conflict. That single act cost Europe millions more men in WWI and then WWII.[/QUOTE]
It was our greatest mistake because it led to a German defeat, which thus paved the way for the Versailles Treaty, the disssolution of the the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the emergence of Bolshevism and the Soviet Union, the Holocaust of central and eastern European patriots and their familes at the hands of Bolshevist partisan units primarily organized & commanded by Jewish Commissars and thus set the state for 'World War II,' when Germans and Slavs sought their revenge on the Communists and Jews (as well as the French). The British military historian A.J.P. Taylor makes a pretty good case that French national chauvinism may have played a seminal role in the specific nature of the 'WW2' phase of the various conflicts from 1914-1948. The American Senate, as you may recall, wisely refused to ratify the Versailles Treaty and the British wanted very much to reconcile with Germany. The French, a noble people who are too often berated, acted like stupid jerks, to put none too fine a point on it. The fact that during the 1930s, the French would actually have a Jewish, quasi-Bolshevist Premier may indicate at least part of the reason why the French government pursued policies so destructive to European interests as a whole (it has long been suspected that disgust with this media 'elected' government was one reason the French military didn't fight as hard as they might otherwise have done in the spring of 1940).
2004-04-24 20:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]The fact that during the 1930s, the French would actually have a Jewish, quasi-Bolshevist Premier may indicate at least part of the reason why the French government pursued policies so destructive to European interests as a whole (it has long been suspected that disgust with this media 'elected' government was one reason the French military didn't fight as hard as they might otherwise have done in the spring of 1940).[/QUOTE]Kevin, I see your point and it is significant to the issue. However, I have always been suspicious of the extent of Jewish power in Europe (it certainly has never been anywhere near as strong as it is now in the United States). More specifically, France was never under significant Jewish control. To illustrate my point, let me give a small example.
France is home today to about 600,000 Jews. While they are economically successful, their influence is actually marginal. The Left hates them because of what Israel does, the right hates them for who they are (or at least dislikes them). They have no influence on French foreign policy and at home, in additon to the general dislike among the native French for Jews, there are 6 million Arabs who hate Jews more than Europeans could ever be capable of. This despite the fact that all of Europe is supposedly an accomplice to the Holocaust.
So Jewish influence, I would say, is and has always been marginal at best in places like France. However, that most certainly cannot be said of the United States. Here I dont disagree.
2004-04-25 00:32 | User Profile
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2004-04-25 02:19 | User Profile
Japanese and German militarism started WW2--their invasions cannot be justified under any concept of 'just war' theory. Both were essentially de-militarized after 1945 and have not bothered the world since. Germany may have had just claims to injustice from Versailles, but then again France had just grievances from 1871 and Poland from the 3 partitions and eliminations of her national identity in the 'enlightened' 18th century...
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2004-04-25 02:44 | User Profile
England [and France] declared war. They did not have to declare war. Who forced them to declare war?
2004-04-25 02:56 | User Profile
The history Channel, TV, HooeyWeird, and schoolz have brainwashed our folk to the point we are almost defenseless.. Just like the complete lie's taught about the so called Civil War history on media etc....The Battle of Good over EVIL was fought in Europe. In Sept. 1941 a poll was taken in our "Nation" and 90% of the men only poll, revealed they wanted NO part of fighting Germany or fighting for the MURDEROUS anti-Christian Filth, that was the U.S.S.R. 65 million white Christians died because of this filth that had mudered the Czar who was the head the Holy Orthodox Christian Church in Russia.. Our people are like brainwashed empty headed birds parroting that Germany was trying to take over Europe, and that is a laugh, as this WAS Europe fighting the great Evil from the East, and they have now taken over U.S.now. Read and research for yourself, and to H--- the TV/Movies as that is who controls them.. The Japanese were played like a Yo-Yo, so that the Anti-White Western serpent seeds that gained control of U.S. could get U.S. to destroy Christian Europe, and then finish U.S. off as today our "Nation" has it borders unprotected and we are called haters, homophobic etc. At Dunkirk almost 300, 000 men were surrounded and the German Command wanted to kill them or offer them a chance to surrender to P.O.W. camps. Uncle Wolfe, a Combat vet who had seen many of his brothers die in battle,in WW 1, and viewed the White British men as his brothers showed mercey, and the British were left to go home on HIS orders alone.. No good deed goes un-punished of course, as white painted hospital ships tied up in the port dock of Hamburg at the end of the war were bombed by the Air Force, and sank with out warning, just as was the fire bombing of a city jammed with wounded, women and children, and refugee's, and hospitals and also the great University archives of Western European History in Dresdan were destroyed for ever, as now all of Western man faces annihilation also, as did Dresdan in 1945 as it recieved around the clock bombing to obliteration, as many of 300,000 were murdered, not the low numbers the filthy media puts out on TV. Lies, then and lies today.. My youngest Uncle lost his toes to frost bite in Korea, and many other men got rewarded with death for our helping the USSR in the so called WW2, and right after bleeding 41 thru 45, we got that filthy communist Korean war which we should NOT have fought at ALL, or spent a NICKEL on it or a drop of blood.. Douglas MacArthur was called a American Hitler by the tribal newspapers in NYC when the General tried to get the Nomination for the Republicking party for president in 1952. Like I said good deeds never go un-rewarded. WAR IS A RACKET.. In the last 100 years war was used against U.S. and Western man, as it was was a suicide of the West, as it was not in our interest in the U.S. and did harm all the West, by helping the U.S.S.R.. We were NOT defending our blood and soil or freedoms in WW2. LOOK around you man... Jammed roads and rental housing full of savage invaders coast to coast open borders for non whites.................P.S. [url]www.ussliberty.org[/url] is another reward that was given to U.S. for WW2 treason, thanks allot. I hope you read every page of it too.
2004-04-25 03:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=confederate_commando]Japanese and German militarism started WW2--their invasions cannot be justified under any concept of 'just war' theory. [/QUOTE] I am totally shocked that anyone who loves the CSA would make such an accusation against other peoples who were fighting for their freedom from foreign domination.
The Japanese were maneuvered into lashing out at the Pacific Fleet by Rosenfeld's attempt to starve Japan into submission. The Monroe Doctrine should never have have been abandoned, and wouldn't have been abandoned if AMERICANS retained control of their country.
The Germans were screwed over royally by the WWI "Allies," including the United States Government of Jew-lackey Wilson. Without the Versailles Treaty, Hitler was neither possible nor necessary. Germans were forced to live in foreign states ("Czechoslovakia," Poland) without any semblance of self-determination. They were buried under insane "reparations" demands. Hitler came to power, threw off such burdens as ANY patriot would have done. He reclaimed the German Rheinland and Saar, and gave the Germans in the Sudetenland, in artificial "Czechoslovakia" (even the Slovaks wanted out), self-determination -- nearly all chose the Reich. Hitler begged the Polish government to make a reasonable concession to allow a road & rail link to Danzig and East Prussia, but Poland responded with asinine claims against Germany -- I've seen the propaganda showing Berlin in "Poland." After the Poles started crap with Ethnic Germans in Posen and elsewhere, Hitler decided to settle the matter in the only way the Poles understood. The Jews in London and Paris forced their lackeys like Chamberlain, who later admitted the Jews forced his hand, into starting WWII.
As for the attack on Bolshevik Russia, it's time you read up on real history. Start with [u]Icebreaker[/u] by Viktor Suvorov. You'll learn that Stalin planned to invade all of Western Europe, and Hitler took an enormous risk to save Europe by attacking the USSR just two weeks before Stalin's Hammer was to fall on Europe.
2004-04-25 17:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971]I am totally shocked that anyone who loves the CSA would make such an accusation against other peoples who were fighting for their freedom from foreign domination.
The Japanese were maneuvered into lashing out at the Pacific Fleet by Rosenfeld's attempt to starve Japan into submission. [COLOR=Red]The Monroe Doctrine should never have have been abandoned, and wouldn't have been abandoned if AMERICANS retained control of their country.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]The Japanese had been planning an attack on Pearl Harbor since America seized Hawaii before they did.
When enunciated, the Monroe Doctrine relied on the Royal Navy for enforcement. The American navy was not much bigger the navy of Ireland. The principal objective of the Monroe Doctrine was to stop Russian settlements on the West Coast, not to protect the western hemisphere.
2004-04-25 18:04 | User Profile
In the post WW 1 international treaty negotiations on military Naval ship tonnage, the U.S. had broken Japanese diplomatic codes and knew Japans bottom line all long in 1927?.. Japan figured that out after it was said and done in the 1930's. Japan fullfilled every agreement she ever made with the West, that it signed, from everything I have read. Every "Nation" has their OWN iterests for their OWN people, but the British, and U.S. central government of F.D.R. did every thing to get Japan to attack U.S. as we baited Japan, so that the FDR and the anti-White/Western Communist could get U.S. them help destroy Western Civilization by deciet and trickery, helping to supply these filthy demons that controlled the so called U.S.S.R. with every resource to make them strong. Britain as you know would never have declared war on Germany with out the F.D.R. treason of giving the green light to them. The tribal NWO,Communists/banksters were in control of U.S. and London. The disarray in the Phillipine defense was another criminal case against FDR too. FDR's back ground was a disgrace and as you may know he was censored by the U.S. Senate and on that day in 1921 contracted polio as he was stressed. Only the media cabal, and the Cabal of NYC with it's 1929 run on the stock market, and confiscation of so many fore closed on farms and home propetie's along with the womans vote of 1928 got that filth FDR in Office in 1932. Britain could have settled with Japan in China in 35 or 36 by protecting their trade and pulling off Chang Hisheik, and then there would not have been a Mao come to power to murder millions, or the taking over of China by him, as there would have been no U.S.S.R. to help Mao to do it! Our people sweat and materials made communist strong. Also my uncle would not have lost his toes in the Korean war, nor would so many other white men had lost their lives, murdered in Korea by Chicoms for the NWO banksters to own KOREA, in a war fought in 1950-52, and not one white lost in Korea should have gone there to die. Lastly with out NYC and London the tribal banksters, working to attack Russia through and by other means, using Japan in 1900 only could have happened with out side help of bankers in the West. As Japan was with out the money and know how/materials to build that Navy like it did. Those loans came out of NYC, and London which it made possible for her Navy to be built. With out that money there would have been no attack of the Russian Fleet in a surprise early morning attack, thus sinking it in 1900? Which lead to president T.R. getting a Nobel Peace prize for settling that dispute which gave Japan Korea, in 1904? as a prize, and which greatly gave the hate tribe a good stab to the back of the CZAR of Russia for expelling members of the hate tribe in the 1880-90's period, and they mostly went NYC.. All we now have to show now for WW2 is "Hate Speech Laws" Open borders with millions of anti Whites savages in every STATE and COUNTY! Plus, the Civil wrongs laws and over enforcement those foisted laws starting in 1964, that have cost U.S. dearly not only in money, but in terror, violence, rape, filthy movies/media cult liars, and no peace of having a white only living space or anything that non-whites don't approve of. Against our will we were given intergrated terror schools, and the invaders are a hostile force against U.S too.. That we must pay for in more than just money and against our will. Fear across our ex "Nation" today is the norm, this is a part of our WW 2 rewards. So now millions of invaders fill our country with disease, our highways with danger, as we have higher prices with medical, schools,fuel, pollution, rental housing, property,and jail systems to pay for. As our WAGES/JOBS go to hell, your property taxes will NOT go down either. WW2 is the greatest Hoax, next to the Holy Co$t. Just look at the last 40 years for our rewards of the War that was against the heart of Europe and U.S. interests. [url]www.deliberatedumbingdown.com[/url]
2004-04-25 20:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=confederate_commando] France had just grievances from 1871 and Poland from the 3 partitions and eliminations of her national identity in the 'enlightened' 18th century...
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You're right that Poland had grievances, but Germany also had a concern for German citizens living in Poland. As for France, Napoleon the 3rd started the Franco-Prussian war in 1870, and France got what it deserved. At least Germany didn't use its victory to undermine the French economy for generations to come. Alsace and Lorraine were part of the Holy Roman Empire anyways prior to the thirty years war so the French claim to them was shaky.
To say the least, Germany had as much a right to reclaim Prussia as France had to re-claim Alsace-Lorraine.
2004-04-25 21:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter Phillips]So Jewish influence, I would say, is and has always been marginal at best in places like France. However, that most certainly cannot be said of the United States. Here I dont disagree.[/QUOTE]
The thing to remember is that while the Jewish masses living in Europe may not have been nearly as successful at infiltrating the cultural and governmental institutions in Europe as they have been here in America, they still wield enormous de facto power via the fact their interests are protected by American influence, which is little more than Jewish interests backed up by ICBMs, aircraft carriers and the Marine Corps....
2004-04-25 22:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]England [and France] declared war. They did not have to declare war. Who forced them to declare war?[/QUOTE]
A very solid point, however it should be noted that Britain had a very explicit mutual defense pact with Poland (whether she SHOULD have had such a pact is another question, although the treaty was supposed to be as much about defending Poland from the Soviet Union as it was from Germany, yet when the Soviets invaded Poland a week later, Britain (as well as France, Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand) declined to declare war on the Soviet Union. So Britain had some sort of obligation, arguably, to come to the defense of Poland, but that obligation extended equally to the Soviet Union. It seems that in September of 1939, a very crucial decision was made to ally with the Soviets against the Germans. Clearly, the interests of European civilization ran in the direction of an alliance with Germany against the Soviets, as I think most students of history would readily admit, if they weren't constrained by their own leftist ideological blinders and/or societal tabus.
And let's recall the fact that in September of 1939, the Irish Free State wisely and courageously declared her neutrality in the war on Germany....
2004-04-25 22:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]The thing to remember is that while the Jewish masses living in Europe may not have been nearly as successful at infiltrating the cultural and governmental institutions in Europe as they have been here in America, they still wield enormous de facto power via the fact their interests are protected by American influence, which is little more than Jewish interests backed up by ICBMs, aircraft carriers and the Marine Corps....[/QUOTE] Kevin,
True again. However, one good indicator of Jewish influence is always the treatment the media gives to Israel in a country. Most of the media in Europe is extremely critical of Israel and outside of Britain there arent any pro-Israeli newspapers. Contrast this with the US, where criticism of Israel is never even heard anywhere in the mainstream press or the TV channels (or Talk Radio).
Also, I think the Iraq War was a wonderful clarifier on this issue. It really showed who stood where. And it became clear that apart from Britain and the US, there was no enthusiasm for this godforesaken war anywhere in the world. So I would add a caveat to what youve said: That no matter what the extent of American military presence, it cannot shape and mould opinion in Europe the way the media does in America. That by itself is a major saving grace. I actually think that the only reason we have some anti-immigration political forces gaining strength is because they dont run into the same sort of obstacles that they run into the US. Oragnized Jewry makes immigration reform impossible in the US. Fortunately, that is not the case in most of Europe. Our only battle here is with ourselves.
2004-04-25 22:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971]The Japanese were maneuvered into lashing out at the Pacific Fleet by Rosenfeld's attempt to starve Japan into submission.[/QUOTE]
This much is correct. Had the Japanese government given in to our ultimatums, they would have become, in effect, an American protectorate. No European country would have been seriously expected to give in to such an ultimatum. The Japanese had no choice but to fight in order to maintain their national sovereignty.
2004-04-25 23:42 | User Profile
Japna invaded China, Germany invaded the rump-state of Czechoslavakia and then Poland. The writing was on the wall, on a blind idiot would not see the time for a fight had come...
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2004-04-25 23:52 | User Profile
Ah, I'd missed page 2 of the Revisionism. Where exactly were these Nip nationals fighting to be free of foreign domination? In French Indo-China, which they ocupied after France had been occupied by the Nazis? That's why the USA cut off supplying their imperial war machine. And, USA had as much right to send/sell war supplies to anyone it wanted, you know, national soveriegnity and all that...
As for reading, start with Herr Hitler's Mein Kampf. It's call for imperial aggrandizement with 'lebensraum' and the doctrine of Secular Humanist sub-humans has absolutely nothing to do with the Confederate States of America, none at all!
Germany invaded Poland, the Nips bombed Pearl. They started it...
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2004-04-26 00:20 | User Profile
Germany invaded Poland, the Nips bombed Pearl. They started it...
Gee, I did not know that total war must be declared each time a country invades its neighbor; or, that America can strangle a country [i.e. Japan] and not expect it to fight back.
Also, read the update to that WSI page [1939/Forrestal].
What is your exact ideology, sir?
2004-04-26 03:20 | User Profile
This info concerning the long oppression and murder of the German minority in Poland might be of some help concerning the events of Sept. 1, 1939:
"[B]Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to[/B]." (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)
[url]http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm[/url]
2004-04-26 04:20 | User Profile
friedrich braun --
How very ironic that I was looking for that quote today but could not find it!
Good post.
2004-04-26 04:55 | User Profile
I smell a TV, public school trained kid, which is understandable, or a Zogoid fun loving time wasting troll.
2004-04-26 06:45 | User Profile
Mr Bruan,
Your translated quote comes from a dubious source. Kindly post the original Polish version, and the name of the Polish newspaper from which it comes.
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]This info concerning the long oppression and murder of the German minority in Poland might be of some help concerning the events of Sept. 1, 1939:
"[B]Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to[/B]." (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)
[url]http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
2004-04-26 06:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971]I've seen the propaganda showing Berlin in "Poland."
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Could you kindly share this "propaganda" with us?
2004-04-26 09:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]A very solid point, however it should be noted that Britain had a very explicit mutual defense pact with Poland (whether she SHOULD have had such a pact is another question, although the treaty was supposed to be as much about defending Poland from the Soviet Union as it was from Germany, yet when the Soviets invaded Poland a week later, Britain (as well as France, Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand) declined to declare war on the Soviet Union. So Britain had some sort of obligation, arguably, to come to the defense of Poland, but that obligation extended equally to the Soviet Union. It seems that in September of 1939, a very crucial decision was made to ally with the Soviets against the Germans. Clearly, the interests of European civilization ran in the direction of an alliance with Germany against the Soviets, as I think most students of history would readily admit, if they weren't constrained by their own leftist ideological blinders and/or societal tabus.
And let's recall the fact that in September of 1939, the Irish Free State wisely and courageously declared her neutrality in the war on Germany....[/QUOTE] Kevin, Yes, It was FDR's treason and/or insanity to go to war on the side of U.S.S.R. As it was FDR who declared war on Germany first by green lighting England to go ahead and declare war on Germany in 1939, as England would never had done so with out the okay of FDR.treason. Herbert Hoover was against the war as was Charles Lindbergh and many other true patriots, that is the why of Dec. 7. 1941. Charles Lindbergh still went to the Pacific and flew a P-38's against the Japanese, and he died I think a broken hearted man in end, seeing what how we ended up in 1975 ruled by lies, when he died. This treason of Pearl Harbor is a part the of the fabric of lies the alien parasites can not let go of as their whole piece of liar's cloth of treasonous genocidal control of U.S. woud un-ravel perhaps.
2004-04-27 00:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Polish Noble]Mr Bruan,
Your translated quote comes from a dubious source. Kindly post the original Polish version, and the name of the Polish newspaper from which it comes.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Noble,
The quote comes from a reputable British newspaper and the authenticity of the said quote has not been questioned thus far by historians.
Germany, Poland and the outbreak of WW2
[QUOTE]Edited by Ole Kreiberg
It was the conflict between Germany and Poland that triggered off the Second World War. And this conflict can be traced back to the drawing of the German-Polish border after the First World War.
In agreement with the Versailles Treaty Poland annexed large areas of German West Prussia and Upper Silesia in 1919. The American President Wilson's advisor, Major General T.H: Bliss, said at the time: "Putting 2.1 million Germans under the rule of Poland will, in my opinion, necessarily lead to a new war in eastern Europe sooner or later". And the English Prime Minister, Lloyd George, went to the wall map during the peace negotiations in Versailles, pointed to Danzig and West Prussia and said: "This will be the cause of the next war".
As a matter of fact, already after the First World War Poland drove far more than a million Germans out of West Prussia and Upper Silesia, denounced the minority protection agreement imposed by the League of Nations, closed German schools and cultural institutions in large numbers and forbade German newspapers. Poland answered the German demand for self-determination in Danzig and West Prussia with mobilisation of it's troops. The Poles overestimated their own strength and underestimated that of the Germans. The Polish Foreign Minister Lipski told the English Ambassador Hendersen: "I do not think of advocating peace. If war comes, there will be revolution in Germany within three days and Poland can march in". In the Polish army "au revoir in Berlin" was introduced as a toast. Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly said to his army officers (according to the English newspaper, Daily Mail on 6th August 1939): "Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to". During the months before the outbreak of the war, nearly all of the larger newspapers in Poland, such as Dzien Polski, Mosarstwowiec, Ilustrowany Kurier, demanded the annexation of at least East Prussia, but if possible the Oder-Neisse Line as a frontier. And the National Polish Youth League gave the following excitement: "In 1410 the Germans were defeated at Tannenberg. Now we shall beat them up at Berlin. Danzig, East Prussia and Silesia are minimal demands". In August 1939 alone more than 2,000 Germans in Poland were slain or shot without any indictment by a Polish prosecuting attorney.
From all this it should be clear that the Second World War could easily have started without any nazis in Germany. There were already enough political dynamite between Germany and Poland. [url]http://www.patriot.dk/poland.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]SIR BASIL LIDDELL HART, Military Historian.
"The western allies entered that war with a two-fold object. The immediate purpose was to fulfil their promise to preserve the independence of Poland. The ultimate purpose was to remove a potential menace to themselves, and thus ensure their own security. In the outcome they failed in both purposes. Not only did they fail to prevent Poland from being overcome in the first place, and partitioned between Germany and Russia, but after six years of war which ended in apparent victory they were forced to acquiesce in Russia's domination of Poland - abandoning their pledges to the Poles who had fought on their side.
At the same time all the effort that was put into the destruction of Hitlerite Germany resulted in a Europe so devastated and weakened in the process that its power of resistance was much reduced in the face of a fresh and greater menace - and Britain, in common with her European neighbours, had become a poor dependent of the United States." - Sir. Basil Liddell Hart, The History of the Second World War
It is important to remember that the 'menace' that Germany presented was solely that of a trade competitor. At no time did Hitler's Germany offer a military or territorial threat to Britain, but on the contrary offered to provide whatever assistance that might be required to maintain the British Empire.
On the other hand, the 'fresh and greater menace' that the British Government had conspired and allied itself with to 'devastate Europe', undeniably had as its aim the overthrow and occupation by whatever means of Great Britain and the destruction of its Empire.
THE POLISH PATSY
On February, 1st, 1945, Poland's General Anders reproached Winston Churchill for not adhering to the English guarantees:
"What shall we say to our soldiers? Soviet Russia is now confiscating half of our territory and wants the remaining part of Poland to be managed according to her own fashion. We know from experience where that leads." - General Anders
CHURCHILL REPLIED
"You yourself are to blame for that.... we did not guarantee your eastern frontiers. Today we have enough soldiers and do not need your aid. You can remove your divisions. We are not using them anymore!" - Winston Churchill
"You did not say that during the last few years." - General Anders
Such duplicity! By his words, Churchill openly admits that Poland was cynically used to provide the excuse and justification for declaring war on Germany, with the catastrophic results we are now familiar with. Little wonder that so much regarding the Second World War all these years on has to be wrapped in a tissue of lies and omissions.
THE EUROPEAN AND ENGLISH JOURNAL
"In terms of personal success, there has been no career more fortunate than that of Winston Churchill. In terms of human suffering to millions of people and the destruction of the noble ediface of mankind there has been no career more disastrous." - The European and English Journal
Thus, the war to defend Poland's illegally acquired territories ended with eleven Christian European nations and dozens of Christian cultures subjugated by the eastern anti-Christ. The heirs to Ghengis Khan had at last reached deep into Europe, and the great tragedy was that it could not have been achieved without the connivance and collaboration of the West. Today, the mosques proliferate.
THE FIRST ACTS OF AGGRESSION
The first acts of aggression of the Second World War were carried out by the Polish armed forces in a serious of serious border attacks which took place over a considerable period of time. Repeated complaints by German were answered by further military border violations.
THE FIRST INVASION OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR
.... was again carried out by Poland which in March, 1939, - six months before the outbreak of war "exploited the chance to seize a slice of Czech territory." - Sir. Basil Liddell Hart. The History of the Second World War
POLISH AGGRESSION
Poland's borders, thanks to the Versailles Treaty were well inside what was historically German territory. The artificial and illegal new border was constantly subjected to border violations and skirmishes by the Poles. As early as October, 3rd, 1930, three years before Adolf Hitler was elected, the influential Polish newspaper, Die Liga der Grossmacht carried the following declaration.
"A struggle between Poland and Germany is inevitable. We must prepare ourselves for it systematically. Our goal is a new Grunewald (The Battle of Tannenberg in July,15th, 1410 when the Teutonic Knights were defeated) However, this time a Grunewald in the suburbs of Berlin. That is to say, the defeat of Germany must be produced by Polish troops in the centre of the territory in order to strike Germany to the heart. Our ideal is a Poland with the Oder and the Neisse as a border in the West. Prussia must be reconquered for Poland, and indeed, Prussia as far as the Spree. In a war with Germany there will be no prisoners and there will be room neither for human feelings nor cultural sentiments. The world will tremble before the German-Polish War. We must evoke in our soldiers a superhuman mood of sacrifice and a spirit of merciless revenge and cruelty."
"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." - Marshall Rydz-Smigly, Poland
When the Polish dictator, Marshall Pilsudski (1867-1935) received the proposals of the German representative concerning the peaceful settlement of the German-Polish territorial problems, the Polish Marshall replied: "I believe strongly in the honourable intentions of your Fuhrer, however, tell him he should not overlook the fact that the ancient hatred of my people against everything German is abysmal." - Deutscher Anzeiger, December, 1969
"Let us be quite clear about the fact that Poland can hear of no peace before she has reached the Oder." - M. Mikolajczyk, President, Agricultural Assoc.' of Greater Poland, June, 21st, 1939
"This is our vital space which we must demand. Our real 'Festival of the Sea' will not begin before Polish divisions are sweeping forward, irresistibly towards the Baltic." - Merkurjusz Polski, July, 2nd, 1939
"In 1410 we defeated the Germans at Tannenberg, now we are going to lick them at Berlin. The Polish-German frontier is now about 1,000 miles long. After the victory of Berlin, the crowning feature of the unavoidable war with Germany, it will amount to about 270 miles only." - University of Posen, May, 4th, 1939
"The precise effect of the Mutual Assistance Pact was to give Poland a clear signal that aggression and belligerency was tolerable and a warning to Germany that any retaliation would be met by force." - Sir. Basil Liddell Hart, The History of the Second World WarTHE PACT
"There is widespread belief that Great Britain was committed by treaty to the defence of Poland. That is not the fact. It is true that on August, 25th, 1939, Lord Halifax as Foreign Secretary (with the Polish Foreign Secretary) signed an agreement pledging mutual support should either nation be attacked by a European power, but this did not constitute a treaty, which, according to constitutional practice has to be ratified by Parliament and can only be made by heads of state.
The Halifax document was published in 1943 as a White Paper, and again in 1945, but the first White Paper omitted a curious protocol which expressly stated that by a European power was meant Germany. It is difficult to understand the purpose of such a clause if the intention was not to indicate that the British Government declined to intervene if Poland should be attacked by the Soviet Union alone....
The British Government therefore acted in default and declared war...." - A.K. Chesterton
"Great Britain advances, leading France by the hand, to guarantee the integrity of Poland - of that very Poland which with hyena appetite only six months before, joined in the pillage and destruction of the Czechoslovak state." - Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Vol.1, pp 311/312
THE WARMONGERS
"Uneasiness ruled in the House of Commons. A delegate of the Labour Party met with the British Foreign Minister Halifax on September, 2nd, (1939) in the lobby of Parliament. 'Do you still have hope?' he asked. 'If you mean hope for war,' answered Halifax, 'then your hope will be fulfilled tomorrow.'
'God be thanked!' replied the representative of the British Labour Party." - Professor Michael Freund
"For Churchill himself had, in the heat of the moment, supported Chamberlain's pressing offer of Britain's guarantee to Poland. It is only too evident that in 1939 he, like most of Britain's leaders, acted on hot-headed impulse - instead of with cool-headed judgement, that was once characteristic of British statesmanship." - Sir. Basil Liddell Hart, History of the Second World War
"We entered the war of our own free will, without ourselves being directly assaulted." Winston Churchill, Guild Hall Speech, July, 1943
"One of the most unwise decisions ever made by a British government." - Lord Arnold
WHO WERE THE REAL AGGRESSORS? "Germany is too strong. We must destroy her." - Winston Churchill, Nov. 1936. * Poland occupying German territory stolen in 1914 invades Czechoslovakia (March, 1939) Numerous violations of German borders. Germany retaliates, Sept, 1939 * Britain and France declare war on Germany, 3rd Sept, 1939. Germany retaliates. 10th, May, 1940. British and French Troops routed. * Russia invades Finland, Nov, 30th, 1939. * Britain and France invade Norway's neutrality, 8th, April, 1940. Germany retaliates. 9th, April. 2,000 German troops rout 13,000 British troops. * Canada declares war on Germany, 10th, Sept, 1939. * Russia invades Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Rumania, June, 1940. * Britain declares war on Finland, Rumania and Hungary, 7th, Dec, 1941. British backed coup overthrows Yugoslav government, 27th, March, 1941, British troops enter Greece, 6th, April, 1941. Germany retaliates - Britain retreats. * Britain prepares to invade neutral Portugal, June, 1940. Germany retaliates. 'Neutral' America attacks German shipping, Aug, 1941. Germany retaliates. "There can be no doubt that he (Hitler) broadened the war in 1941 only on preventive grounds." - A.J.P Taylor, British Historian.
BRITAIN'S UNPREPAREDNESS
Little or no thought was given to Britain's inability to provide a military guarantee of Poland's independence.
"Unless we know the duration of the war and its intensity, we can form no estimate of what will be the state of Europe when victory is won." - The British Foreign Secretary, 2nd, November, 1939
"It was surely a chastening thought that we were now alive as a British Commonwealth and Empire more by the mistakes which the enemy made in 1940 than by any foresight or preparation which we had made before that date." - Mr. Oliver Lyttleton, Minister of Production, May, 6th, 1944
"Those of us who had access to all the information available, who knew the full extent of our unpreparedness, were fully aware that it would take at least two years from the outbreak of war before we could organise, train and equip an army proportionate to our needs, and we all knew that during these two years we were bound to be involved in a series of disasters." - Lt. Gen. A.E. Nye, Vice-Chief of Imperial General Staff, May,6th,1944
FOREBODING
"A war of such unprecedented devastating and crippling a character must mean that not only this country but the whole world would be much poorer and disabled. We should live in a fool's paradise if wishful thinking led us to believe that cruel war would bring in its train happier times and better days." - Sir. Kingsley Wood, February, 2nd, 1943
"Britain gave a foolish guarantee to Poland and then that nation by its intransigence plunged us into war. Poland was not saved. Our guarantee meant nothing, but Britain was brought into bondage to United States bankers and brokers after spending ã227,000,000,000 in fighting that foolish war, to say nothing of the terrible casualty lists." - Daily Express, 16th, August, 1961
"The fact is that the only real offer of security which Poland received in 1938 and 1939 emanated from Hitler. He offered to guarantee the boundaries laid down in the Versailles Treaty against every other country. Even the Weimar Republic had not for a moment taken this into consideration. Whatever one may think of Hitler's government or foreign policy, no doubt exists on this point; his proposals to Poland in 1938/39 were reasonable and just and the most moderate of all which he made during the six years of his efforts to revise the Versailles Treaty by peaceful means." - Professor Harry Elmer Barnes, American Historian
"The last thing Hitler wanted was to produce another great war. His people, and particularly his generals, were profoundly fearful of any such risk - the experiences of World War One had scarred their minds." - Sir. Basil Liddell Hart, The History of the Second World War
"Of all the Germans, Believe it or not, Hitler is the most moderate as far as Danzig and the Corridor are concerned." - Sir, Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Berlin, 16th, August, 1939
".... no factor in the life of Europe today offers so grave and certain a menace to peace than the Corridor, which cuts Germany into two parts, and severs Danzig, one of the most German of cities, from the fatherland. Can Europe afford to ignore this menace and allow matters to drift? To do so would be tantamount to inviting and hastening catastrophe, for instead of improving, the conditions in the Corridor after and because of 12 years of Polish occupation, are steadily growing worse.
Because it is now abundantly clear that all the needs of Polish trade, present and future, can be satisfied without the corridor, and because good relations between Germany and Poland, which are so essential to the settlement of peace in Europe, will be impossible so long as that political monstrosity continues. The greater part of the territory should go back to the country to which it owes its civilisation." - William Harbutt Dawson, English Authority on Germany, Germany Under the Treaty, 1933, p.169-70
For the sake of the Polish Corridor, "No British government ever will or ever can risk the bones of a British grenadier." - Austen Chamberlain
WHY DIE FOR STALIN?
"In dying for Stalin your soldiers are not dying for democracy or the preservation of the democratic form of government - they are dying for the establishment of Communism and a form of Stalinist tyranny throughout the world. Furthermore, they are not dying for the preservation of the integrity of small nations (England's old war-cry) but are dying so that Poland shall be a Soviet state; so that the Baltic states shall be incorporated in the Soviet Union and so that Soviet influence shall extend from the Baltic to the Balkans.
Every British soldier who lays down his life in this war is not only a loss to his own country; he is a loss to the common cause of European civilisation. Germany and England's quarrel is a form of traditional rivalry. It is more in the nature of a private quarrel which Germany did not seek. The Soviet Union's quarrel, however, is a quarrel with the WORLD. It is a quarrel with our common heritage and with all those values - moral, spiritual, cultural and material which we have, all of us - Englishmen and German alike - recognised, cherished and striven to maintain. TO DIE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THESE VALUES IS TO DIE IN VAIN.
Stalin, with all the diabolical power of Communism behind him, is seeking to profit from Britain's and Germany's preoccupation. The amount of influence which Britain can exercise on Stalin can be measured by the latter's undisputed claims to the sovereign territories of other nations. The only controlling influence left on Stalin is the strength and tenacity of the German Wehrmacht and of the European volunteers who support Germany in her fight for the survival of Europe, and its opposition as the cradle of our common civilisation.
Every British soldier who dies for Stalin is another nail in the coffin of Britain's hopes of maintaining a 'balance of power' in Europe. Should the 'equilibrium' pass to Stalin then the equilibrium of the world is at an end. THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT TO DIE - THINK IT OVER! Text of leaflet dropped behind British lines by the 3rd Reich's British collaborators
"I, M. Daladier, struggle, together with my people, for the reparation of an injustice inflicted upon us, and the others strive to maintain that injustice." - Hitler's letter to French President Dalaldier, 27th, August, 1939
"He (Neville Chamberlain) had no difficulty in recognising where this injustice lay. There were six million Germans in Austria to who national re-unification was forbidden by the peace treaties of 1919. Three million Germans in Czechoslovakia whose wishes had never been consulted, three hundred and fifty thousand people in Danzig who were notoriously German." - A.J.P Taylor, British Historian
"Now we have forced Hitler into war, so that he can no longer neutralise one part of the Versailles Treaty after another by peaceful means." - Lord Halifax
"Germany is becoming too strong. We must neutralise her." - Winston Churchill, November, 1936, to U.S General Wood
"If Germany becomes too strong, she will be broken up once again." - Winston Churchill, 1937, to German Foreign Minster von Ribbentrop
Note: It is interesting to note that it was Ribbentrop, who, along with other leaders of the German nation, were hanged for waging aggressive war!
"Just imagine going to war over Danzig - such a world catastrophe, just to prevent Germany from getting a piece of territory that belonged to her; because Britain was afraid of Germany getting too strong." - Joachim von Ribbentrop
THE FIRST SHOTS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR
"Late at night on Thursday, August, 31st, 1939, the editor was listening to Gleiwitz, a radio station on the German-Polish frontier but just inside Germany. Suddenly, after midnight, the musical programme stopped and excited German voices announced that the town of Gleiwitz had been invaded by Polish irregular formations marching towards the emitting station. Then the station 'went dead'. When received again about 2.00am (Friday) Polish was being spoken.
Cologne Radio gave out that German Police were repelling the attackers at Gleiwitz. At 6.00am (Friday) 1st, September, the German Army invaded Poland." - Louis Marschalko. The World Conquerors
THE FIRST SOLDIER OF THE REICH
"... just as there have occurred, recently, twenty-one border incidents in a single night, there were fourteen this night, among which three were very serious...
"Since dawn today we are shooting back. I desire nothing other than to be the first soldier of the German Reich. I have again put on that old coat which was the most sacred and dear to me of all. I will not take it off until victory is ours or - I shall not live to see the end. There is one word that I have never learned: capitulation." - Adolf Hitler, Reichstag speech, 1st, September,1939
"SOLDIERS OF THE WESTERN FRONT
The hour of the decisive battle for the future of the German nation has arrived.
For three hundred years it has been the aim of the British and French rulers to obstruct every real consolidation of Europe and, above all, to hold Germany in weakness and impotency.
For this purpose France alone has declared war on Germany thirty-one times in the course of two centuries.
But for decades past it has also been the aim of British world rulers at all costs to keep Germany from unity, to deny the Reich those vital possessions necessary for the preservation of a nation of 80 million people.
Britain and France have carried out this policy of theirs without worrying about the regime that happened to rule Germany at the time.
Their object was always to strike at the German people.
Their responsible men admit this quite frankly.
The object is to smash Germany and to resolve it into a number of small states. With that the Reich would lose its political power and with it the possibility of securing for the German people their vital rights on this earth.
For this reason all my attempts at peace were rejected and war declared on us on September, 3rd last year.
The German people had no hatred and no enmity for either the British or French peoples.
But today we are confronted by the question whether we are to exist or perish.
In the space of a few weeks our brave troops crushed the Polish enemy who was in the service of Britain and France, and thus eliminated danger from the east. Thereupon Britain and France decided to attack Germany from the north.
Since April, 9th, the German armed forces have also nipped this attempt in the bud.
Now something has happened that for months past we have regarded as a threatening menace. Britain and France are attempting, by their employment of a gigantic manoeuvre of distraction in south-eastern Europe, to thrust their way forward into the Ruhr district by way of Holland and Belgium.
Soldiers of the Western Front!
The hour for you has now arrived.
The struggle which commences today will decide the fate of the German nation for the next thousand years.
Do your duty.
The German people, with its fervent wishes, is with you." - Adolf Hitler, 10th, May, 1940
A.J.P TAYLOR
"There can be no doubt that he (Hitler) broadened the war in 1941 only on preventive grounds." A.J.P Taylor, War Historian
".... neither the French nor the British would have made Poland a ground for war, if Washington had not continually pressed for it. Bullitt, (Ambassador William C.Bullitt) he said, had declared time and time again that the Germans would not fight, he (Kennedy) that they would fight and overrun Europe. Chamberlain, he said, had declared that America and world Jewry had pushed Britain into war. In his telephone conversations with Roosevelt in the summer of 1939, the President had said to him (Kennedy) repeatedly that he should press a hot iron to Chamberlain's backside. Kennedy claims to have answered each time that it would lad to nothing to press a hot iron to his backside, so long as the British had no iron with which to fight...." - American Ambassador Kennedy, December, 1945
THREATS AGAINST NEUTRALS
Many countries throughout the world maintained neutrality, and remained on friendly relations with Hitler's Germany. All were threatened with trade embargoes and similar measures designed to ensure their compliance with the American-Jewish-Communist alliance.
"We must not ask questions as to what these small powers want, nor listen to explanations of what they are prepared to do. We must tell them frankly that we demand, what part each of them has to play in the alliance to destroy the German menace. If one or other of them show signs of hesitation, we must act so as to ensure that such hesitation will be immediately overcome. It is time similar measures were taken with regard to Holland and Belgium." - Duff Cooper, Privy Counsellor.
In 1944, a fuel blockade was imposed upon neutral Spain to enforce compliance in taking action hostile to German interests. Similar measures were taken against neutral Portugal and threats were made against Argentina. [url]http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/witnesstohistory/withis_ch13.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
2004-04-27 05:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=confederate_commando]Japna invaded China, Germany invaded the rump-state of Czechoslavakia and then Poland. The writing was on the wall, on a blind idiot would not see the time for a fight had come...[/QUOTE]
Well, then you may count me among your "blind idiots," for I can't see any possible reason why the sovereignty of Poland, Czechoslovakia (a fake state) and China (a non-state dominated by foreigners for centuries) should have been perceived as worth the cost of 400,000 American lives, untold trillions in today's dollars and a substantial (and permanent) redeuction in our liberties, as well as the general, esthetic quality of old-fashioned American life (which has been greatly eroded by the hyper-capitalist, military-industrial complex that has enshrouded our once-free nation). And let's not forget that the egalitarian, "Allied" ideology of the Second World War led directly to the so-called "Civil Rights" movement, the Second Reconstruction and general subjugation and humiliation of the Southern people. America, Britain, Germany, Italy, France, Poland, Spain, Benelux, Scandinavia, Canada, etc. were all natural allies against Soviet Bolshevist barbarism and the Jewish commissars who were its perpetrators. Nothing anyone can say about the prickly relations between an overly nationalist German regime and an overly nationalist Polish regime circa the late 1930s can change such a fundamental fact. And its also not very surprising that the Germans wanted back the German-inhabited, "Polish" lands that had been theirs just 20 years previously....
2004-05-01 03:33 | User Profile
That is quite good.
America should have left Germany alone. For the German Army would have defeated the Soviets, man-for-man, bullet-for-bullet. Of that I have absolutely no doubt.
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2004-05-01 17:47 | User Profile
FDR was worried about the British. He thus did not take care to make sure that the Axis were not threatened by US actions. Thus the Axis attacked. At this point, American honor was at stake, and we fought the good fight.
Conclusion: FDR should have made sure not to threat the Axis powers. Too bad if the British fell under Nazi control. They would be better off now if they had.
2004-05-01 18:07 | User Profile
Jews and White Gentile elites together caused World War II.
First, Jewish financiers in the USA steered the US into WWI. If the US had not entered WWI, Germany would have won, and there would have been no Treaty of Versailles.
Second, when the Jews took over in Russia, millions of Christians were murdered.
Third, throughout the 1920s, Jews worked day and night to inject the Bolshevik poison into Germany -- the heart of White Europe.
Fourth, Jews declared war on the Third Reich in 1933 -- well before the Third Reich allegedly targeted Jews.
Fifth, throughout 1939 and 1940, Jews in Britian used their sinister influence to keep Britain from reaching a lasting peace with Germany.
Sixth, in 1940, Jews used their puppet, FDR, to declare an undeclared war on Germany by way of the lend lease act.
In short, at major every major juncture that laid the groudwork for war, Jews were involved.
2004-05-01 21:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]Conclusion: FDR should have made sure not to threaten the Axis powers. Too bad if the British fell under Nazi control. They would be better off now if they had.[/QUOTE]
I'll go along with that!
2004-05-01 22:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]FDR was worried about the British. He thus did not take care to make sure that the Axis were not threatened by US actions. Thus the Axis attacked. At this point, American honor was at stake, and we fought the good fight.
Conclusion: FDR should have made sure not to threat the Axis powers. Too bad if the British fell under Nazi control. They would be better off now if they had.[/QUOTE]
FDR wasn't "worried" about the British. He was a lackey for Jewish interests who despised Hitler and the Nazis, because he knew that Hitler saw through the Jews and their schemes. Why do you think FDR took such a rabidly anti-German stance so early?