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il ragno [OP]

2004-04-22 19:32 | User Profile

Good luck trying to explain this to your fellow citizens but Clinton apologized to the wrong dark-skinned people. Someday, an honest US statesman will have to tender our sincere apologies to the Iraqis. Hopefully, it will be delivered against a background of the smoldering slag-heap formerly known as "Israel".

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[B]Conscience and Terrorism [/B]

April 8, 2004

“I call upon the American people to stand beside their brothers, the Iraqi people, who are suffering an injustice by your rulers and the occupying army, to help them in the transfer of power to honest Iraqis. Otherwise, Iraq will be another Vietnam for America and the occupiers.”

This plea, from the popular Shi’ite leader Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr, is notable on several counts. First, he appeals to our conscience — our sense of justice as well as our prudence. Second, he addresses us as “brothers,” not “infidels.” (Dale Carnegie would admire his Islamic tact.) Third, he doesn’t threaten us with retaliation in our homeland; he merely asks us to get our government out of his homeland. Otherwise, he warns, Iraq will become another big problem for us — like Vietnam.

Muqtada has been ordered arrested by the occupiers, alias “us,” the Americans. He can’t be called a “Saddam loyalist”; Saddam Hussein killed his father and brothers.

Is he a terrorist? He has “issued [a] call for terrorism against allied troops,” as the hawkish Washington Times puts it. That phrase shows how badly Americans now abuse the English language: Attacking invading soldiers in your own country is “terrorism”!

What Muqtada warns of is worlds away from murdering innocent people in New York. He’s talking about fighting in his own country. From his point of view, Iraq has a massive problem with illegal aliens.

It used to be called “guerrilla warfare.” It’s often the only military option available against a powerful invader. The French Resistance is still praised for using guerrilla tactics against the German occupation during World War II.

Guerrilla warfare can be pretty ugly, as the Fallujah killings and corpse mutilations show. But “conventional” warfare, especially with modern high-tech weapons, isn’t pretty either. American television has been criticized for declining to show what was done to four American bodies; but neither has it shown the Iraqi carnage caused by American weapons. We’ve been spared tens of thousands of gruesome pictures showing the victims of “liberation.” That includes civilians as well as brave Iraqi soldiers fighting the invaders against hopeless odds.

In the American media, only American soldiers in Iraq count as fully human; their deaths and injuries are tragic. Iraqis who don’t welcome their “presence” are all lumped together as terrorists. Their deaths are like those of insects and only make us safer. We stand for freedom. Those who resist us hate freedom.

The Bush administration prepared us for war with lies that have been exposed. It said things it knew were false and things it had “no doubt” were true when they were only wild guesses. The monster Saddam has been overthrown, but the people he oppressed and persecuted — the people we were supposedly saving from him — are now treated as enemies too. Do they too have “weapons of mass destruction” that threaten us?

The U.S. Government keeps justifying its huge and expanding power with dizzyingly rotating rationales. Consistency, as they say, is “not a problem.” With all this propaganda, just keeping your head is a full-time job.

Muqtada’s simple plea is being ignored. Bush’s “opponent” John Kerry could exploit it if he wanted to, having, after all, made his first fame speaking out against the Vietnam war. But he won’t.

The closer you get to power, it seems, the less you are inclined to pipe up against it. Politicians who inveigh against abuses of power never mean they want to abolish the power itself; they merely mean that they want it for themselves.

President Kerry would continue the war on “terrorism,” a useful excuse for U.S. power, even if he somewhat changed its guise with a multilateral approach. He might be compared to a politician who — this may sound far-fetched — marries an immensely rich woman and makes crude, demagogic attacks on “the rich” while living off her money.

What would Bush do if he reviewed the situation and realized that the Iraq war was wrong? Would he repent, apologize, and withdraw the troops, even at risk of losing this year’s election? Or would he admit nothing and persist in his course for the sake of keeping power?

We may never know. It’s even possible that it has already happened: that he realizes even now that he has created another Vietnam but chooses to keep it going, at whatever cost to others, rather than pay any price himself. After all, when a politician wrestles with his conscience, he usually wins in straight falls.

Joseph Sobran


Mentzer

2004-04-24 06:50 | User Profile

Complete indifference.

Oooh do not fight! American and European men! Oooh be cowards and wasters! Let the Muslim Rule! Let them infiltrate and invade your lands and build unnatural structures so they can whine to the ignorant!

Hide behind your women. Cower in front of your televisions. Be soft and weak like the queers - the white epidemic.

Let the bastards take over your land and people?

Engage your brains and your muscle. And deny them the 'right' to your lands. For they want your economy. They want your life-blood and they will kill to take it

Fortunately there are many tough men willing and able to put them in their place. And they will be put in their rightful place - back in their deserts. Over or under.

And stop this effete whining and weeping. Be men not chattering women.

Face the enemy and deal with the enemy. For they are your enemy - like it or not.



Ruffin

2004-04-24 16:36 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Mentzer]Complete indifference.

Oooh do not fight! American and European men! Oooh be cowards and wasters! Let the Muslim Rule! Let them infiltrate and invade your lands and build unnatural structures so they can whine to the ignorant!

Hide behind your women. Cower in front of your televisions. Be soft and weak like the queers - the white epidemic.

Let the bastards take over your land and people?

Engage your brains and your muscle. And deny them the 'right' to your lands. For they want your economy. They want your life-blood and they will kill to take it

Fortunately there are many tough men willing and able to put them in their place. And they will be put in their rightful place - back in their deserts. Over or under.

And stop this effete whining and weeping. Be men not chattering women.

Face the enemy and deal with the enemy. For they are your enemy - like it or not.

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How're you going to defend freedom if you're busy posting on this board? I didn't even know that you had internet access over there in Iraq.


Walter Yannis

2004-04-25 06:17 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Face the enemy and deal with the enemy. For they are your enemy - like it or not.[/QUOTE]

Fine, if the enemy is attacking us. But that's not the case here.

We're the agressors - assisting the Shitty Little Country with vast amounts of our treasure and political capital against the Palestinians. America has troops in Saudi Arabia, Islam's holiest place. And all of this according to the plan of our Neocon traitors who succeeded in subverting our long-term foreign policy to The Zionist Entity's needs of the hour.

It's all very simple. We leave the Muslims alone, and insist in turn that they leave us alone. We should immediately expel all Muslims from white countries, and at the same time stop supporting Shitrael and start dismantling our bases in the Middle East.

I suggest as our slogans:

Long live Christendom.

Muslims out.

Jews out.

A guarded peace with Islam.

Walter


Ponce

2004-04-25 06:45 | User Profile

I am not worried about Iraq, they will win this particular war thanks to the stupidity of our beloved maiximux and fearless leader.......


Gregz

2004-04-25 10:58 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] I suggest as our slogans:

Long live Christendom.

Muslims out.

Jews out.

A guarded peace with Islam.

Walter[/QUOTE]

[B]Hi Walter [/B]

Europe has been completely overrun by Muslims. Are message is not leave, they simple won't leave of their own accord. We will have to use arms to drive these invaders out, anything less is wishful thinking and goes against the course of history.

Gregz

"Circumstances are the rulers of the weak; they are but the instruments of the wise."- Samuel Lover