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Thread ID: 13253 | Posts: 10 | Started: 2004-04-20
2004-04-20 14:20 | User Profile
[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/20/politics/campaign/20NADE.html?ex=1083432366&ei=1&en=4c50fcb528147e96]New York Times.[/URL]
I never thought it would come to this, but I might just vote for Nader.
Please talk me out of it.
Nader Asks for Antiwar Vote and Urges Iraq Pullout Date By DAVID E. ROSENBAUM
Published: April 20, 2004
WASHINGTON, April 19 ââ¬â Ralph Nader made an explicit appeal on Monday for votes from the antiwar movement and called for the United States to announce a firm date for the withdrawal of its troops from Iraq.
Mr. Nader, running for president as an independent, said that President Bush was a "messianic militarist" and that Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the probable Democratic presidential nominee, was "stuck in the Iraq quagmire the way Bush is."
Speaking at a breakfast meeting with reporters, Mr. Nader said he was the only reasonable choice for "the peace movement in this country."
He suggested that perhaps the withdrawal date should be six months from now. Merely announcing "a date certain," he said, would "separate the mainstream Iraqis from the insurgents."
Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said, "This kind of rhetoric is at odds with our nation's need for strong, steady leadership." The United States, Mr. Stanzel said, is "bringing democracy to Iraq, and that country will serve as a beacon of hope for people throughout the region."
Mr. Kerry's chief spokeswoman, Stephanie Cutter, said, "We cannot afford to fail in our efforts to stabilize Iraq." Mr. Kerry, she said, "is absolutely committed to that goal."
At his news conference last week, Mr. Bush pledged that the United States would "stay the course and complete the job" in Iraq.
In an interview Sunday on the NBC News program "Meet the Press," Mr. Kerry said the United States should transfer "real authority" in Iraq to the United Nations and "reach out to other nations" for military support. But he offered no hope for early withdrawal of American troops and suggested that more troops might be needed.
Mr. Nader said that between Mr. Kerry and Mr. Bush, Mr. Kerry was preferable because "he would slow the deterioration of the country," but that the "difference is not significantly sufficient."
He said he would like to meet soon with Mr. Kerry ââ¬â an occasion the senator has said he would welcome ââ¬â and hoped the two of them could agree on "collaborative positions" in areas like the environment, health insurance, corporate crime and taxes.
The consensus of Democrats is that Mr. Nader cost Al Gore the presidency in 2000 by winning more votes than Mr. Bush's victory margin in two states, Florida and New Hampshire, and by forcing Mr. Gore to devote resources to states like Wisconsin that he would have won easily if Mr. Nader had not been in the race.
Some Democrats have voiced hope that Mr. Nader might drop out of the race this year if he can influence some of Mr. Kerry's stands on issues. But Mr. Nader said on Monday that he would not quit under any circumstances.
He said he had no regrets about running in 2000 and maintained that this year he could persuade many Republicans to at least stay away from the polls on Election Day, given their "seething rage" at Mr. Bush because of the budget deficit.
2004-04-20 14:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] I never thought it would come to this, but I might just vote for Nader.
Please talk me out of it.
Walter [/QUOTE]
I won't talk you out of it, Walter, but encourage you. I'm already determined to vote Nader and I'm not changing my mind, provided Nader's on the ballot in NY State, otherwise I won't vote. The Duopoly MUST Fall.
2004-04-20 14:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I won't talk you out of it, Walter, but encourage you. I'm already determined to vote Nader and I'm not changing my mind, provided Nader's on the ballot in NY State, otherwise I won't vote. The Duopoly MUST Fall.[/QUOTE]
But, but . . . Ralph Nader, X.
Has it really come to this?
Walter
2004-04-20 15:10 | User Profile
Walter, in these grievous times in which we're living now, finding a Politician who's everything to everbody is impossible, if it ever were possible.
I look at Nader's website and his stance on issues, and I find that I agree with some of them.
When I check out Kerry's website, I find nothing that I would want to support.
Bush....well, I think Satan has a better chance in the eyes of God Almighty than him.
If we lived in an all White society, then, obviously, we'd have much more sound leadership and representatives, but sadly, this is something we can only pray about until our Lord Himself wills it to happen.
I'd encourage people to just not vote.
2004-04-20 19:01 | User Profile
I suggest "None of the above" written in large letters across the ballot in a brilliant red marker.
2004-04-20 19:42 | User Profile
I ran a google search on Nader's web site for the word "immigration". No matches found.
2004-04-20 20:25 | User Profile
Nader was on the Alex Jones show a few days ago. Among other leftist goals, he fully supports the federal assault weapons ban.
2004-04-21 05:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Nader was on the Alex Jones show a few days ago. Among other leftist goals, he fully supports the federal assault weapons ban.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's it then. No vote for Nader.
I'll vote Constitution Party, I guess.
Walter
2004-04-21 15:30 | User Profile
Whatever happened to worse is better?
2004-04-21 18:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Whatever happened to worse is better?[/QUOTE]
I guess there are just some things I won't do for my country.
Like pulling the lever for Shrub.
Walter