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Thread ID: 12956 | Posts: 46 | Started: 2004-03-31
2004-03-31 23:04 | User Profile
The obscene murders, mutilation and desecration of the killed Americans in Iraq, today, must not go unpunished.
This was an evil act. It was shocking as it was inhuman. It is the work of the primitive beast. As they glorify in the slaughter and dissection of American men and women - the Christian -they provoke too much.
Let us - the European and the American - leave them to kill among their Islamic sheep and goats.
But let us be fierce and committed to removing the Islamic from America and Europe. Dismantle their worship places on our lands.
I do not believe America has the will to do this needful act. Europe will lead - and the Europeans will act. America may follow.
Let us be manly and let us be tough.
Mentzer
2004-03-31 23:24 | User Profile
Mob parades US bodies
Iraq
Published: 31-Mar-2004 By: Channel 4 News
Four American contractors have been killed in Fallujah and their bodies mutilated on a day of murder in Iraq.
The contractors were travelling in two four-wheel-drive vehicles when they were ambushed by guerillas who threw grenades on a main road.
A crowd then set the vehicles alight and hurled stones into the burning wreckage.
A witness claimed some of the dead had been wearing flak jackets and dog tags and that weapons had been found in the burning cars.
Another described how angry crowds dragged the charred bodies behind cars through the streets.
They were tied-up, kicked, beaten, dismembered, decapitated, and two of the bodies were then hanged from a bridge over the River Euphrates.
2004-04-01 00:10 | User Profile
You guys should get the whole info before saying anything.
Those four "civilians" were mercenaries who choose to go and fight in Iraq on their own, either as security guard or as body guards. They choose to go on their own in order to get high pay therefore the risk of the job is much higher.
I only feel sorry for those in uniform who are there on a mandate from the US government.
Like I wrote before, there are now mercenaries in Iraq from all over the world including from many countries in South America.
2004-04-01 00:46 | User Profile
Ponce
Can you state your source?
Mentzer.
2004-04-01 01:03 | User Profile
Does that answer the question whether the Iraqies feel liberated, or whether they are grateful to Americans?
Your anger should be directed towards those who promoted this war.
2004-04-01 01:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Ponce
Can you state your source?
Mentzer.[/QUOTE]
I read tons of info every day, I'll try to find it again,,,,,,I believe that it was on Rense.com,,,,,,,,, the guy with the dog tags? was a x Special Forces EM. And also the info about the mercenaries from Sout America serving as security types.
2004-04-01 01:55 | User Profile
Ponce
State a source before you discredit my post. I have included factual occurrence along with considered opinion.
Mentzer.
2004-04-01 02:14 | User Profile
Madrussian
Like most Europeans I have no interest in Iraq or similiar.
But you will understand this - they will remain in their own places of birth and they will not come to mine. That will be made clear to them - on the streets of Germany, Britain, Denmark and Italy.
Mentzer.
2004-04-01 03:10 | User Profile
They are coming to your place. Watcha gonna do about this? Your being able to prevent future wars like this and your being able to be heard who should come to your country aren't exactly very different things.
2004-04-01 04:02 | User Profile
It is true they are flooding Europe. But we are beginning.
We will reverse it. We will solve it. And we will put fear into their heart and mind.
And that is the tall and short of it.
Mentzer.
2004-04-01 04:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Does that answer the question whether the Iraqies feel liberated, or whether they are grateful to Americans?
Your anger should be directed towards those who promoted this war.[/QUOTE]
Right you are. These neocon fools think iraq can be made into a puppet state. Maybe the US will have controlling interest there for a long time, but not without a high price. Such is the price of empire. I think maybe iraq will turn into a very large and dangerous exon-mobile refinery. Man, am i glad I got out of the army several years back. This empire crap is for the birds.
2004-04-01 05:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Ponce
State a source before you discredit my post. I have included factual occurrence along with considered opinion.
Mentzer.[/QUOTE]
Like I told you, they were "contractors", another word for mercenaries.
Enraged Mob in Falluja Kills 4 American Contractors By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: March 31, 2004
ALLUJA, Iraq, March 31 - Four Americans working for a security company were ambushed and killed Wednesday, and an enraged mob then jubilantly dragged the burned bodies through the streets of downtown Falluja, hanging at least two corpses from a bridge over the Euphrates River.
2004-04-01 06:44 | User Profile
I don't have TV, but no where on dirt bag N.P.R. or filth bag talk radio that hear only a few minute at most before it must be turned before I vomit, did they ever say they hung men were U.S. military. The word used was Western men etc.. There are thousands of Merc's over there, is what I have read.. See [url]www.hackworth.com[/url] or email hack and ask him directly
2004-04-01 14:13 | User Profile
Why is our government using cheap security guards, aka "Rent a cops," in a war zone. Should this kind work be done by MPs or something. These guys were most likely as dumb as the guys working at our airports.
2004-04-01 14:44 | User Profile
Here's the company website for whom those dead mercenaries worked for: [url]http://blackwatersecurity.com/[/url]
2004-04-01 16:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Why is our government using cheap security guards, aka "Rent a cops," in a war zone. Should this kind work be done by MPs or something. These guys were most likely as dumb as the guys working at our airports.[/QUOTE]
I doubt these guys were either cheap or dumb. Nevertheless, they were taken by a mob and given the Mogadishu treatment.
The work they do is contracted because the military can't afford the fallout that could result from their activity- training, security, and political/psychological background. Most of these guys aren't doing MP-type work; that's being handled by the poor National Guard slobs that are stuck over there. Former part-time supply clerks and motor pool grease monkeys are being given rifles and are doing security patrols throughout Iraq, while remembering the recruitment promises of weekend adventures back in the states.
Mentzer, it would be a most welcome thing to see Europe take the lead in reversing the Islamic influx. How is this being done on an organized basis now, and what lessons can we in the U.S. take from that organization to apply here?
2004-04-01 17:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Those four "civilians" were mercenaries who choose to go and fight in Iraq on their own, either as security guard or as body guards. They choose to go on their own in order to get high pay therefore the risk of the job is much higher.
You are correct. They're secuirity contractors, mercenaries. The American media just calls them contractors, as if to imply that they were non-combatant civilians there to build infrastructure.
I only feel sorry for those in uniform who are there on a mandate from the US government.
This is the last American war where I feel sorry for any American in uniform. Everyone who joins the military now knows that they won't be killing in defense of America.
Like I wrote before, there are now mercenaries in Iraq from all over the world including from many countries in South America.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the US government preferes these guys to die as they don't get counted in the number of Americans killed (now at 600). Eventually, the US hopes that a non-American mercinary force will do all the dying. The only need of any US troops in Iraq is to prevent the Iraqis from cutting the puppet strings on the government.
2004-04-01 22:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Here's the company website for whom those dead mercenaries worked for: [url]http://blackwatersecurity.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Quote from the site,,,,,,, all drawn from various U.S. and international Special Operations Forces, Intelligence and Law Enforcement organizations.
Like I stated before,,,,,,mercenaries.
2004-04-01 23:06 | User Profile
weisbrot
So you don't buy our government's story these guys were guarding a food shipment?
[QUOTE]I doubt these guys were either cheap or dumb. Nevertheless, they were taken by a mob and given the Mogadishu treatment.
The work they do is contracted because the military can't afford the fallout that could result from their activity . . .[/QUOTE]
You might have something it that idea. . . May these guys were doing some kind of "Dirty War" activity? Murders and Thugs for uncle Jorge?
2004-04-02 00:00 | User Profile
More on those dead mercenaries. . . I hate use an article from this site, but it look like it may have some good info in it.
[QUOTE]Four US mercenaries are torched, dismembered and hung in Iraq by Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan
Los Angeles, Alta California - March 31, 2004 - (ACN) In a scene reminiscent of George Romero's "The Night of the Living Dead", four US mercenaries suffered a horrific and gruesome death at the hands of about 30 Iraqis near the town of Fallujah early this morning. The four US mercenaries employed by Blackwater Security Consulting where traveling in two SUV vehicles when they were ambushed and their vehicles set on fire. A large crowd of angry Iraqis approached the torched vehicles with shovels and rocks and pulled the four charred corpses out onto the roadway. Two of the bodies where dragged throughout the town's streets. The other two were dismembered and one was decapitated. Two of the torsos were then taken to a bridge that crosses the Euphrates River and hung like animals. The crowd, in addition, took one leg and one arm, tied ropes on them with a rock on each end, then swung both of them over electric power lines.
The Pentagon is running out of soldiers and has been forced to hire paid mercenaries it calls "security consultants". A major Pentagon contract is held by Blackwater USA out of Moyock, North Carolina ([url]http://www.blackwaterusa.com[/url]). Blackwater Security Consulting, a company of Blackwater USA, has been hired to guard Iraqi oil wells against attack by insurgents and to provide security for the US occupation administrator Paul Bremer. The four mercenaries horribly killed today in Fallujah were employed by Blackwater Security Consulting.
Blackwater Security Consulting recruits former or retired CIA agents, US Special Operations personnel and commandos from foreign armies. The US security company recently hired mercenaries from Chile to replace US soldiers on security duty in Iraq. A few months ago Blackwater USA flew a group of about 60 former Chilean commandos, many of whom had trained under the military government of Augusto Pinochet, from Santiago to its 6000 acre training camp in North Carolina. These commandos will be shipped to Iraq to serve for a maximum of one year duty.
The privatization of security in Iraq is a growing business as the US seeks to reduce its commitment of troops. At the end of last year there were 10,000 hired security personnel in Iraq. Squads of Bosnians, Filipinos and Americans with special forces experience have been hired for tasks ranging from airport security to protecting Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority.
The Iraqi occupation is becoming a problem of immense proportions for the USA. American oil companies need to commence the extraction of vast amounts of Iraqi oil in order to pay for the high cost of mercenaries to guard the pipelines and other occupation costs. This is not yet happening. The present gouging of the American motorist as demonstrated by the higher and higher price for a gallon of gasoline is proof of this.
The four US mercenaries that met a cruel death in Iraq today were selling their services to the oil companies for a few bucks a month. The Iraqi people who killed them were defending their land from foreign invaders determined to loot their oil. I rather ride my bicycle or walk than continue witnessing this tragedy unfold. [url]http://aztlan.net/torched_hung.htm[/url] [/QUOTE]
2004-04-02 03:10 | User Profile
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3590887.stm[/url]
[SIZE=3]Iraq's mercenaries: Riches for risks[/SIZE]
The severe lack of security in Iraq has opened up a highly profitable market for private security contractors.
Security guards are hired from around the world The brutal murders of four American security men in Falluja on Wednesday 31 March is unlikely to deter the many would-be mercenaries willing to accept the risks involved in providing security amid the instability of post-war Iraq, according to one security firm.
The US has so far spent $20bn on reconstruction in Iraq. The companies which have won these contracts currently expect to spend about 10% of their budgets on providing personal security planning and protection for their workers.
Hence a highly lucrative market has sprung up.
Industry insiders say the war has proven a godsend for British security firms - which have picked up much of the work. Their revenues are estimated to have risen fivefold, from around $350m before the invasion to nearly $2bn.
Tidy rewards
**The firms themselves offer handsome sums to attract the personnel, with an average daily wage of $550.
"Doing this kind of work for a year means some people have enough to retire on," says Duncan Bullivant, head of the small British firm Henderson Risk, which has around 40 employees operating in the country.
"Iraq is something of a goldmine at present. The profit margin is incredibly high, way in excess of the risk factor. I wouldn't give it more than another year at this level, the bubble will burst, but there's an immense drive to cash in while it lasts."**
Iraqis surround burnt-out car in Falluja which had been carrying four American security men With the wages on offer, there is no shortage of potential recruits. Even a company as small as Henderson's says it receives five inquires a day. A company as large as Control Risks - which provides security to Britain's Department of International Development - is unable to put a figure to the number of applications it receives each week.
In the UK, controversy has erupted over the suggestion that companies are recruiting straight from the army - particularly the renowned Special Air Services, or SAS. This has fuelled newspaper headlines that the defence of the "homeland" is being jeopardised by soldiers' greed.
The allegations are strenuously denied by the firms, who in any case note that they recruit not just from Britain, but around the world - and particularly in Iraq itself.
But this raises problems of its own. Many Iraqis considering a career as a security officer are shunning the meagre wages of their country's own police force in favour of the greater salaries on offer from one of the private foreign armies.
"For the companies it makes sense at a number of levels to hire Iraqis," says David Claridge of Jansusian, which primarily employs local people.
"They have immense local knowledge, they often have advance warnings, they can gauge the local mood. It's also cost-effective - the wages of Westerners are higher, the costs of getting them there greater.
"But at the end of the day, Iraq belongs to the Iraqis. It's absolutely right that they should be involved in securing it - and ultimately all companies will be employing them."
'Cowboy operators'
The field of private security is unregulated, and alongside the more reputable companies, gun-slinging, cowboy contractors - whether foreign or Iraqi - are reported to be setting up shop Iraq.
Established companies dislike competition from smaller entrepreneurs, but also worry that their reputations may be damaged by the gung-ho approach of some of the newer firms.
The lack of regulation means mercenaries can often act with impunity.
Stories abound of heavy handed and trigger-happy behaviour. There are reports that some private security companies claim powers to detain people, erect checkpoints without authorisation and confiscate identity cards.
2004-04-02 03:17 | User Profile
Like I told you before, X Special Forces...... here they are.
Jerry Zovko joined the Army in 1991 at age 19. He spoke five languages fluently -- English, Croatian, Spanish, Russian and Arabic (search). He was a member of the special forces in the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, Tom Zovko said.
Teague, of Clarksville, Tenn., was a 12-year Army veteran who earned a Bronze Star for service in Afghanistan and also served in Panama and Grenada, his wife, Rhonda, said in a prepared statement. She called her husband a "proud father, soldier and American."
2004-04-02 04:54 | User Profile
The [FONT=Century Gothic]Special Reason[/FONT] inevitably rears it's ugly head...
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-01-us-grisly-images_x.htm[/url]
In USA, grisly images speak a thousand words By Rick Hampson, USA TODAY U.S. presidents facing a foreign crisis used to apply the Dover Test, which had just one question: How will Americans react to the sight of flag-draped caskets of soldiers shipped back to the Air Force base in Dover, Del.?
That question has been rendered obsolete by far more gruesome and immediate sights from Iraq. Now the question is how a nation already accustomed to daily casualties will react to the sight of frenzied crowds dragging the burned, mutilated bodies of four American civilian contractors through the streets of Fallujah.
It was unclear Thursday if those images, like similar ones from Somalia in 1993, would mark a turning point in U.S. policy. But many Americans said the nation cannot afford to pull back from Iraq as it did from Somalia shortly after the body of a U.S. helicopter pilot was dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, the capital.
The United States plans to turn over control of Iraq to local authorities June 30, but large numbers of U.S. troops are expected to remain there for months or years.
"Now that we are in it, we have to hold in there," said Nancy Mallon, 58, of Denver, a retired fitness instructor. "If we pull out, those people are going to be slaughtered again."
She said she supports President Bush and the war. But another Denver resident who supports neither reached the same conclusion.
Kirk Lundahl, 52, an information technology specialist, said that even after the killings, "there is no way we will be able to pull out of there. ... Now that we are there, we have to stick it out, because if we don't, the country would collapse on itself."
David Hiscock, 74, a retired Seattle lawyer visiting Washington, D.C., agreed. "We've got people there helping to restore civilization, and I hope they will be able to," he said.
Still, experts said the images would have a negative impact on the nation's resolve in Iraq. "These pictures speak volumes," said pollster John Zogby. "It's just what the Bush administration did not want. Americans are seen here as real victims, not just statistics."
Cara Finnegan, a communications professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, said the Somalia precedent makes the brutality in Iraq even more painful: "The media is linking the Fallujah incident to Mogadishu, and those images are already imprinted on our collective visual memory. Images are always processed through the previous knowledge that we have."
No one denied the awful power of the scenes. "It's just hard to believe that people are feeling so angry toward us that they feel that kind of action is necessary to make their opinions heard," said David Deutscher, 52, a real estate agent from Walnut Creek, Calif., who was visiting Washington.
Suzanne Smith, 41, a tour director visiting the nation's capital from Glastonbury, Conn., said Wednesday's atrocity was overwhelming. "I thought it was absolutely horrific, and it just proves to me more and more that we don't belong there," she said.
In New York City, David Herman, 49, a dentist from the Bronx, said he had special reason to be distraught. "I am a child of Holocaust survivors," he explained. "It really strikes a chord."
Newspaper photographs seemed to have even more impact than television footage, some of which was introduced with viewer warnings and carefully edited to spare the audience from the most disturbing images.
"You see these photographs while you're sitting there at the kitchen table, and you have to deal with them, and they sink in," said Robert Thompson, an expert on the media at Syracuse University.
Such an image can help change the perception of an entire war, he said. He cited famous footage of the roadside execution of a man during the Vietnam War. "Today no one can tell you what the shooting was about," Thompson said. But that photo, he said, "came to stand for the horror of the war itself."
None of the three main network news programs in the morning used footage of the Iraq attacks on Wednesday morning when it became available. Thursday's programs led with the story of a missing University of Wisconsin student being found alive.
Viewers "had an investment" in that story because her disappearance had been covered heavily during the past two days, said Shelley Ross, producer of ABC's Good Morning America.
Why not re-air the footage from Iraq? That simply is not morning show fare, she said: "In the morning, people just need to wake up more gently."
"Parents are getting their kids ready to school and watching us in the kitchen," said Michael Bass, producer of CBS' The Early Show. "Those images are too graphic."
Contributing: Peter Johnson and Patrick Conti in New York; Tom Kenworthy in Denver; William Risser in Washington, D.C.; and wire reports
2004-04-02 17:53 | User Profile
Ponce is correct about these guys being ex-special operators. Most of the men employed by these security "contractors" are ex-special operation or some other branch of the military.
One thing that I just found out today, was that one of the men killed in the attack was Scott Helvenston. Scott Helvenston was an ex-Navy Seal, whom some of you might remember from the show Combat Missions that aired 2 years ago on channel USA. He was the loud mouth from team Delta who kept pissing off everyone else on the show. Delta team would go on to finish second in the competition. I wouldnt be surprised if some of the others guys that were on that show are working as contractors currently.
Here is a website of team delta with Scott on there. [url]http://www.bravo.co.uk/combatmissions/main/teams/delta.html[/url]
2004-04-02 18:42 | User Profile
This is other people's homeland. When Bush abuse his power to order US army to invade for the interest of a little group, that's Irqi native's reaction.
When American Indian were "liberated" by colonist, they resisted, and attacked invaders, cut enemy's head skin with knives. They were titled as "savages". And colonist said they brought Indians with "civilization".
When Bush "liberated" Iraq, those resistors, of course, are titled as "terrorists" conveniently. The invaders said they bring Iraqis with "democracy".
But unless you agree that other people have the right to intrude your home, kill your family members, occupy your own house, and instruct you change your own life style, then blame that's the fault of Iraqis.
This topic starter seems try to flame American's hatred against another nation which is invaded. The goal is to support Bush's war policy.
2004-04-03 03:16 | User Profile
Never attempt to justify the evil murder of your own people. You only make yourselves foolish and [B]weak[/B]. You also invite derision.
I say: 'your' people with qualification. I can only hope you did not see the video footage. It would not be in your interest - no doubt.
However, I am pleased Good Europeans are in the first stages of readdressing liberal error. For example, the British immigration minister has been sacked due to incompetence - an ignorant and shrill female of the cross-eyed left. Germany, Austria, Denmark, and even France are obeying the new common directive - as they must.
The Baltic States have now joined Nato. They comprise of strong men and women - Good and True. No liberal weakness there. No false deliberation or social thought-experiments.
Islam in Europe is now facing determined opposition. Those fools that allowed it to occur are being systematically removed. Not so long ago, in the liberal past, those naive, stupid, unthinking, third-raters were promoted to advanced office in governments - they are now being sacked. Removed and got-rid-off.
They are now fearful and afraid - and they should be.
N.B. Some have called workers 'mercenaries'. That is, of course, incorrect.
Mentzer
2004-04-03 03:35 | User Profile
Kathaksung
You explain it all to me. You tell me all about it. All about the "Way of the World". But do not make false assumptions or assertions.
Perhaps you would deem to instruct me on my Fatherland? And what I will do for my Fatherland? For that is the inference.
However, what price, physical or monetary, have you paid on behalf of your homeland?
MENTZER
2004-04-03 12:32 | User Profile
It is the other side of assassinating Sheik Yassin in Palestine. Anyone who supports Bush's war deserves same.
2004-04-13 03:02 | User Profile
Incorrect.
Do not make the common mistake of generalized and defective reasoning.
You either understand it or you do not. But you will not dismiss it.
It has been stated here that those horrifically murdered were 'mercenaries', former soldiers that 'deserved it'. Apart from the inaccuracy, the sheer indifference and outright hatred expressed towards fellow European-Americans, savagely murdered, is as stunning as it is sickening. Their employment status is an irrelevance.
I will make reference to one American, I will not name him, caught in the partizan ambush in Fallujah: Wounded in the attack, and helpless, unable to defend himself. He was brutally dragged from his vehicle by a gang of savages. Beaten with iron bars and bricks, spat upon and kicked by the mob. He was then doused in petrol and set alight. He was still alive and pleading mercy to his god as they hacked his limbs from his broken and burning body. His body was then dragged through pools of his blood to be hung over the river Euhrates.
When you reach a level of understanding, when you progress beyond the juvenile, you can then make distinction between the rational and the irrational.
Human characteristics are determined at birth. There does exist that which is called sub-human. It is not 'animal' for the animal is unthinking and blameless. But the human is allowed the function of reason, however limited, and therefore responsible for its actions. It also assumes the facade of morality. Be it religious or political. It thinks - therefore it is allowed. It thinks - therefore it is responsible.
And thus, those responsible must face the terrible consequences of their actions. I hope, and I expect, the American Marines will excecute proper justice on those that committed an inhumane atrocity.
Mentzer.
2004-04-13 06:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]And thus, those responsible must face the terrible consequences of their actions. I hope, and I expect, the American Marines will excecute proper justice on those that committed an inhumane atrocity. [/QUOTE]
"It was unearthly, and the men were--No, they were not inhuman. Well, you know, that was the worst of it--the suspicion of their not being inhuman. It would come slowly to one. They howled and leaped, and spun, and made horrid faces; but what thrilled you was just the thought of their humanity--like yours--the thought of your remote kinship with this wild and passionate uproar. Ugly. Yes, it was ugly enough; but if you were man enough you would admit to yourself that there was in you just the faintest trace of a response to the terrible frankness of that noise, a dim suspicion of there being a meaning in it which you--you so remote from the night of first ages--could comprehend. And why not?"
When "our side" interjects itself militarily in ancient tribal blood fueds, completely divorced from Western Christendom's 'Just War' moral justification and simply because our technological might says we can, then be very sure that "we" are one step less remote from the night of first ages that Conrad wrote of. A horrific crime? Sure. But Fallujah typifies the barbarism that we are slouching towards, much to the glee of the tribal-minded jews that are leading us to do their bidding. Damn them.
2004-04-13 19:53 | User Profile
This is other people's homeland. When Bush abuse his power to order US army to invade for the interest of a little group, that's Irqi native's reaction.
When American Indian were "liberated" by colonist, they resisted, and attacked invaders, cut enemy's head skin with knives. They were titled as "savages". And colonist said they brought Indians with "civilization".
When Bush "liberated" Iraq, those resistors, of course, are titled as "terrorists" conveniently. The invaders said they bring Iraqis with "democracy".
But don't blame that's the fault of Iraqis unless you agree that other people have the right to intrude your home, kill your family members, occupy your own house, and instruct you change your own life style.
written for those think themselves as master of liberators. Or those think they are heroes while they hold guns against "barbarics" with arrow and bow.
When media accuses Saddam is a dictator and persecute Iraqi people, they never show you these pictures. US army does same thing.
Quote, " Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" - George W. Bush's mother Barbara on ABC/Good Morning America, March 18, 2003
WARNING -- GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING Photos from Falluja, Aljazeera news crew inside the town
[url]http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/falluja_slaughter.htm[/url]
2004-04-17 07:06 | User Profile
Hello Texas Dissident,
An interesting comment.
Iraq was of course the Israelis most dangerous enemy. And they will be rejoicing that Americans and British are fighting and dying there rather than Jews. And I agree it is despicable.
Konrad was commenting on French and British Empire-Building. Imperialism in effect. And the contemporary in conflict with the primitive. The Company and the Profit as the only motive. Perhaps so. But Konrad was neither British nor French. Those Commonwealth primitives are now destroying Britain and France.
Kurtz became something else. And the Company disapproved. But do we allow those from the darkness into our place? Like Kurtz I have no missionary egalitarianism.
Regardless, there is no justification for the atrocity committed in Fallujah. Of that I am certain.
Mentzer.
2004-04-17 07:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]The obscene murders, mutilation and desecration of the killed Americans in Iraq, today, must not go unpunished.[/QUOTE]
Those weren't Americans; they were mercenaries and they got what their evil breed deserves. Once a man dies, the corpse is just useless meat. When I die, they can grind me up and feed me to the chickens.
[QUOTE]This was an evil act. It was shocking as it was inhuman. It is the work of the primitive beast. As they glorify in the slaughter and dissection of American men and women - the Christian -they provoke too much.[/QUOTE]
Whatever. Foreign Zionists, their mercenary lackeyes and duped American servicemen have seized control of their nation, and unlike vaginal Americans who gleefully submit to foreign domination, they decide to flippin' do something about it. I salute them for it.
[QUOTE]Let us - the European and the American - leave them to kill among their Islamic sheep and goats.
But let us be fierce and committed to removing the Islamic from America and Europe. Dismantle their worship places on our lands.
I do not believe America has the will to do this needful act. Europe will lead - and the Europeans will act. America may follow.
Let us be manly and let us be tough.[/QUOTE]
OKay, now you're starting to make sense. Let's get the Hell out of Iraq ASAP; that war was lost the day it began. The sooner we acknowledge that fact, the less damage will befall our already largely ruined nation.
2004-04-17 07:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Regardless, there is no justification for the atrocity committed in Fallujah. Of that I am certain.[/QUOTE]
One doesn't require "justification" to kill foreign, conquering mercenaries; its a duty and a privilege.
2004-04-17 08:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]It has been stated here that those horrifically murdered were 'mercenaries', former soldiers that 'deserved it'. Apart from the inaccuracy, the sheer indifference and outright hatred expressed towards fellow European-Americans, savagely murdered, is as stunning as it is sickening. Their employment status is an irrelevance.[/QUOTE]
Its not an inaccuracy; everyone remotely familiar with the facts knows that they were mercenaries, as other posters have made voluminously clear. As mercenaries, they were no different than Mafia hitmen and deserve the fate they got. They were in Iraq killing for money - period. How can you defend that? Not all the scumbags are Jewish or Black; some are, sadly, members of our own race. And if anything, that makes them worse and my disgust towards them greater. If some patriot put a bullet in then-Prime Minister Winston Churchill or our own ever-so-beloved President Dumbya, would I be expected to shed tears, merely because those traitors are White? Ridiculous! Mercenaries are evil men who kill for money. I would tolerate their presence in a just war, grudgingly, but not in this insane conflict (if we had a real President, he'd consider drafting all the mercenaries and making them do the same jobs for military pay scales). I certainly don't care what race they are. If anything, removing such lowlife Whites from our gene pool probably serves a beneficial purpose for our people.
2004-04-17 08:19 | User Profile
OK Kevin. Take a rest.
But I will not condone barbaric murder or terrorist crime.
It is simple.
Regards.
2004-04-17 08:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]OK Kevin. Take a rest.
But I will not condone barbaric murder or terrorist crime.
It is simple.
Regards.[/QUOTE]
No "terrorism" (whatever that is, other than resistance to Israelo-America's will) or criminal acts of any kind have taken place in Faullujah, other than on the part of American soldiers and "our" mercenary hit squads. Stop giving aid and comfort to the enemy in Washington, please.
2004-04-17 09:28 | User Profile
Well, FDR the Treason King gave U.S. Dec. 7 1941, and since then we have been dumbed down more every year, since that lie was foisted on U.S. Whites are dumbed down and asleep for so called security, power and money,with no white solidarity and decency. Love of "NATION" and our kin, can not be in a Multi-cult hell. The men of FINLAND in 1939 would not have fought and died like they did against the U.S.S.R. if it had been a Multi-cult hell, they loved their "NATION" and knew what that meant!. Look what government white men did at Mt. Carmel in Texas, to what 70 some white Children? Could those white men say they were Christian? Men, who have no knowledge of history and heritage, can more easily be made to do criminal acts, as they are spiritually asleep and have no understanding of "NATION". Look at what Uncle Wolf did at Dunkirk in France, he showed much mercey, when his generals were screaming for killing 250,000 of them or putting them in to camps, Wolf showed total "mercery" towards his white brothers as he knew the pain of battle himself personally and did not hate the British people. The British people did not heed this mercey because the they had NO WHITE government/leaders by that time, just banksters, and their KING was removed by the Banksters, so there are no white leaders today, in any of so called white "Nations". Just white whores for money and shabazz goys is what you have.. Sadly Yeah, it was just a movie, but "RED DAWN" says it all, they must have watched in Iraq many times. Wolverines? Huh?
2004-04-17 10:45 | User Profile
Those four mercenaries were serving the Zionist regime in exchange for lots of money and an adrenaline rush. They probably thought of themselves as "bad-asses," riding around with their weapons and wearing their Gargoyle sunglasses, looking for some action. Well, action is what they got. They received what they would have certainly dished out to Iraqis if given the opportunity: Death. And I, for one, am glad to see it.
2004-04-17 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Those four mercenaries were serving the Zionist regime in exchange for lots of money and an adrenaline rush. They probably thought of themselves as "bad-asses," riding around with their weapons and wearing their Gargoyle sunglasses, looking for some action. Well, action is what they got. They received what they would have certainly dished out to Iraqis if given the opportunity: Death. And I, for one, am glad to see it.[/QUOTE]
Here, here!!!
2004-04-20 02:41 | User Profile
Hello Smedley Butler,
The greatest mistake Hitler made was allowing the British Army to depart Dunkirk.
It was an unforgivable error that cost Germany the war.
My regard.
2004-04-20 02:48 | User Profile
Another mistake that Herr Hitler made was not to use poison gas at the Normandy invasion,,,,, the Germans did have protective gas mask, the allies did not.
2004-04-20 10:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Does that answer the question whether the Iraqies feel liberated, or whether they are grateful to Americans?
Your anger should be directed towards those who promoted this war.[/QUOTE]
Ditto.
Walter
2004-04-20 10:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE][weisbrot]I doubt these guys were either cheap or dumb. Nevertheless, they were taken by a mob and given the Mogadishu treatment.[/QUOTE]
Well put. I googled this [URL=http://www.jayreding.com/archives/004440.php]BLOG[/URL] up with pictures. If this is correct (and I don't vouch for it) it looks like they were former Navy SEALS, which as most here are aware is the "elite of the elite" of American special forces. Up there with Delta Force and those kinds of guys.
See also [URL=http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dsnews/029nd6.htm]HERE. [/URL] They're smart and tough, they were used as security troops IAW their military designation. And in civvies I'll bet they weren't cheap,either.
I'll say they fit the definition of "mercenary."
I don't like seeing our guys killed, but what are they doing halfway around the world protecting some ZOG functionaries when we're being invaded by Mexico even as we speak?
Walter
2004-04-20 15:26 | User Profile
Their employer:
[url]http://www.blackwaterusa.com/[/url]
2004-04-20 15:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Their employer:
[url]http://www.blackwaterusa.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
That's interesting. It's a sorta SEALS reunion over there.
Mercenaries. What else could you call them?
Walter