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Thread ID: 12788 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2004-03-18
2004-03-18 19:50 | User Profile
Another US ally has seen the light:
[url]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_eu/poland_iraq[/url]
2004-03-18 19:51 | User Profile
Brrrrr.... it's starting to feel cold here in the Office of Special Plans.
2004-03-18 20:11 | User Profile
the defective individuals at Freek Repugnant are having a field day with the Italian minister who declared recently "the war may have been a mistake"..... [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1100357/posts[/url]
W's Soldiers and Ministers do not allow questioning or hindsight, you see. If Poland, Spain, Italy and other nations bail out of Iraq, the United States will be alone vs. the entire rest of the world, which would suit the Faux News Nation just fine........(as long as they don't have to enter the REAL battlefield. no, they like ranting against "wussy" Europeans from the comfort and warmth of their own homes, yea, that's right FREEKERS.)
2004-03-18 20:48 | User Profile
Time for the freepers to boycott kielbasa and Bobby Vinton.
2004-03-18 20:52 | User Profile
Poland misled? By the western democracies?
No, say it ain't so! Such a thing could never happen.... twice!
2004-03-19 00:15 | User Profile
This is the big breakup. The principle illustrated by Spain's 1-2-3 (attack, mass demonstration, vote) event, leaving a lot of Bush-neocon blood on the floor out there, was: when push finally comes to shove, the street rules.
This is the significance of what was reported as the eerie silence of 11,000,000 last Saturday. They knew they were doing it, without knowing exactly what it was they were doing. Italy's Pronti picked up on it. Now Poland's Kwasniewsky. Very strong anti-imperialist politics.
And the bill of particulars credited it to hatred of the coalition that included Aznar with US and Israel. Let's be blunt. It is made to look as if unconsciounable blood gulping Islamofascist Muslim extemists have again assaulted democracy, freedom Western values, the Judeo-Christian way of life and won a battle, but that is political spin. This achieves the single-enemy of Arab/Muslim "terrorist" and "us" = Bible people of linked Old-New Testament. That is what American national interests cannot allow. Spain has become a terror softline country, says David Frum; the glorious victory of freedom over tyranny in Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia may be derailed, says Ledeen. "We might loose this thing yet." "Chamberlain appeasers" chirp the Israel amen corner favoring use of unending force to make the world safe for Sharon.
A hole has been blown amidships in their Enterprise. Spanish PM Zapatera didn't just disagree diplomatically. He said (condensing): you don't bomb other countries on the basis of perceptions, and you don't organize wars around lies. Funny the media barely mentions these points. Its all politics with Uncle Joe Biden, Useless KerryKohn and Honest John McCain.
2004-03-19 04:00 | User Profile
It was obvious before the attack on Iraq that Bush was lying about Iraq's WMDs. There really hasn't been any new revelations about Bush's evidence after the war, so why are some people now concluding that Bush lied?
2004-03-19 11:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]Time for the freepers to boycott kielbasa and Bobby Vinton.[/QUOTE] :punk:
[URL=http://www.bobbyvinton.com/]Bobby Vinton.[/URL]
2004-03-19 11:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]It was obvious before the attack on Iraq that Bush was lying about Iraq's WMDs. There really hasn't been any new revelations about Bush's evidence after the war, so why are some people now concluding that Bush lied?[/QUOTE]
Great question, and one that I've struggled with.
It's Orwell's doublethink, IMHO. They lie to themselves.
They want to be grifted.
The motivations are, IMO, to FEEL like strong individualists even as they lick the boots of the Kosher Power that Be.
Walter
2004-03-19 16:34 | User Profile
Damned if The White House correspondent on CNN just report that the statement had been taken back, the coalition is still tight, and the Polish PM had intended to say Saddam had "misled his people" about WMD!
Meanwhile, Shecky's troops behind the scenes sends Colin Powell to bolster up the Baghdad front, and Musharaff to kill his own people in So. Pakistant to capture Bin Laden. Or no. 2. They silence 11,000,000 and moved the "war" theatre to "change thte topic" on the news.
How long, Lord, how long ...
2004-03-19 17:19 | User Profile
"It was obvious before the attack on Iraq that Bush was lying about Iraq's WMDs. There really hasn't been any new revelations about Bush's evidence after the war, so why are some people now concluding that Bush lied?"
An excellent point, and one about which I've often wondered myself. Here are a couple of possible answers:
1: Most people are utterly media-hypnotized. The governmedia told them there were WMDs, so by God, there [I]were[/I] WMDs. End of discussion.
2: Unilke most of us here on this board (I blush to admit), most of the masses don't ask questions. They believe what they're told and do what they're told, and regard anyone else as a dangerous and disturbing radical, if not one of those utterly evil "Haters" they've heard so much about on the movies and on the televitz.
3: Many of those who consider themselves "conservatives" are still mentally living in the sixties, when questioning The Government was something associated with drug-soaked hippies. To these people, anyone who contradicts the governmedia party line is by definition some sort of leftist degenerate, usually categorized with the vague expletive "unpatriotic." These are often the folks with the "Support Our Troops" signs staked in their front lawns.
4: Until recently, it wasn't socially acceptable to suggest that Jorge Boosh is a liar, and there never were any WMDs. Now it is, and since they have been given permission by the governmedia to think this subversive thought, they can -- however reluctantly -- toy with the concept without worrying that they're "unpatriotic." (See 1 and 3 above)
Some notion of the enormous job we have ahead of us in awakening a significant fraction of the amerikan masses to even more dangerous topics -- such as race and the role of God's Chosen in subverting what was once a truly fine society -- may be inferred from the difficulty with which the average Joe and Jane Sixpack are still having in grappling with the concept that "the Commander In Chief" might have lied to them. If they find the idea of Emperor Jorge being a liar such a bitter and difficult pill to swallow, imagine how hard we're going to have to work to get them to see the other truths that are so repulsively obvious to the rest of us.
The fact that so many people [I]are[/I] actually waking up these days is a testament to the level of subconscious anger that's been building up in White America for a long, long time. The Media Lords know perfectly well what's going to happen once that anger is permitted a public forum.
2004-03-19 18:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=arkady]1: Most people are utterly media-hypnotized. The governmedia told them there were WMDs, so by God, there [I]were[/I] WMDs. End of discussion.[/QUOTE]
That may explain the masses, why most people have thought that WMDs have been found, especially with Fox New (and the other major networks) on Bush's side (the media always wants to be tight with the white house, no matter who is there).
But, what about government leaders of other nations? What about the leader of Spain which supported Bush, in spite of the strong majority of the Spanish being against the war? Certainly these leaders have their own experts and advisers who can cut through the rhetoric to substance. The Polish leader didn't get all his news directly from the Bush whitehouse, did he?
I see these reasons:
1) The US bribes and threatens most of the world's nations. Getting on the wrong side of the world's only ultra-power could be bad for your nation. For example, the Iraqi contracts forbidden to those who didn't support the war. It's safer to error in support of the US.
2) It's easier support Bush and then to whine that you were mislead (or, to maintain that Saddam is still hiding the evidence), if nothing is found than to say Bush lied and be thought a total fool if something was found. Bush's lies would probably become a non-issue if any material WMDs were found (or successfully planted). It's safer to error on the side of Bush.
3) If things went much better in the war, it would matter less than Bush lied, in regards to popular opinion. Bush supporters could take credit for any success in transorming Iraq. If things go bad, as they have, just blame the "terrorists." It's safer to error on the side of aggression.