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Thread ID: 12784 | Posts: 6 | Started: 2004-03-18
2004-03-18 09:13 | User Profile
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By Ralph Z. Hallow THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The American Jewish community's focus has shifted from concern about Israel to what it sees as growing anti-Semitism worldwide since the September 11 attacks, a mood swing that carries implications for the upcoming presidential election, several Jewish leaders say.
The Jewish leaders say President Bush's gains among heavily Democratic Jewish voters for his support of Israel and the Iraq war could be offset by policy initiatives influenced **by evangelical Christians, who many Jews think are anti-Semitic despite their support of Israel. **
"Jews are generally turned off by the views that his administration has taken on a host of issues ââ¬â including stem cell research, the faith-based initiative, a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, abortion rights ââ¬â that are very popular with the president's evangelical base," said Ira Forman, executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, which raises money and support for Democratic candidates.
Christian conservatives have been especially supportive of Israel, **but many Jewish Americans think the majority of Israel's supporters on the religious right are anti-Semitic, said David Twersky, international affairs director of the American Jewish Congress.
A January poll sponsored by the American Jewish Committee shows that 20 percent of Jewish Americans think most Christian conservatives are anti-Semitic and another 21 percent say many are. Even though those numbers have dipped, nearly 50 percent predict bias against Jews will grow in America. **
The Jewish leaders suspect anti-Semitism, which several polls say is on the rise in Europe, has been fueled by the deteriorating Israeli-Arab situation and hostility in many quarters toward the war in Iraq, and is increasing insecurity and fear among Jewish Americans.
Mr. Forman thinks Mr. Bush has made marginal gains "over his abysmal 2000 showing among Jews, because of his policies toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
"But given the effort the White House has made to court the Jewish vote, I have to imagine that [White House strategist] Karl Rove has got to be upset about the small size of those gains," Mr. Forman said.
Mr. Twersky said Mr. Bush has been "everything we could have wanted on Israel and anti-Semitism," (yup)** but noted that the AJC poll showed Mr. Bush with 31 percent of the Jewish vote this year, an 11 percentage-point gain since 2000. ** (lol - hispanics do better)
Still, even a relatively small boost in Jewish support could make the difference in a tight election.
"The Jewish vote will be very much in play in key states like Florida, Ohio, Illinois, New Jersey, and can help tip the scales," said David A. Harris, executive director of the American Jewish Committee.
"Jews vote rain or shine. Even though they are just over 2 percent of the general population, they are between 3 percent or 4 percent of the total vote ââ¬â and much more in states like Florida."
The leaders say Jewish support for Mr. Bush is limited because Jewish Americans are basically pro-choice, pro-gun-control, liberal Democrats who frown on religion in public places and even on going to war with an enemy of Israel.
"In recent months, the fallout over weapons of mass destruction, budget deficits, and even gay marriage and the controversy over 'The Passion of [the] Christ' movie have further weakened the president's position within the Jewish community," Mr. Forman said.
Christian evangelicals, strongly linked in the minds of many Jews with Mr. Bush, a born- again Christian, have shown exceptional affinity for the "Passion" and its producer, Mel Gibson, often becoming volunteer salesmen for the film.
The movie's depiction of Christ's crucifixion has added to Jewish fears of anti-Semitism and the link between evangelicals and Mr. Bush, Jewish spokesmen say.
Jim Hutchens, president of Christians for Israel, a Washington-based organization with a mailing list of 25,000, says it is "a red herring" to suggest evangelicals are anti-Semitic.
"Evangelical Christians who take seriously the promises of God are pro-Israel," Mr. Hutchens said. "Only those who hold a replacement theology ââ¬â which denies the original recipients the benefits of God's promises in regards to Israel's modern boundaries ââ¬â would suggest the Israel of today is not a fulfillment of God's promises.
"Evangelical Christians are the best friends Israel has, and those in the know among Orthodox Jews and in the Israeli government know that."
I'd like to feel sorry for Evangelical leaders. Unfortunately there are some who are more like Bill Buckley, still being called an anti-semite by Foxman after decades on his knees.
2004-03-18 09:17 | User Profile
So I guess I should vote for Boosh then. Is that your point?
[FONT=Arial Narrow]How much does the RNC pay you, anyway? Or are you doing this for free?[/FONT]
2004-03-18 10:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]So I guess I should vote for Boosh then. Is that your point? No, I was thinking maybe you could just continue to sit behind your computer and tell the world what a big macho aryan warrier is hiding there waiting to get out.
[FONT=Arial Narrow]How much does the RNC pay you, anyway? Or are you doing this for free?[/FONT][/QUOTE]I'm sure much less than they're paying you.
On second thought, maybe you all could be like your true SS hero's and all go on a mass suicide mission. Or maybe you could just make your point in a racial sense by castrating yourself and finding a real man, capable of real responsibility rather than just puerile posturing, like so many of the VNN crowd, to father your children.
2004-03-18 10:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust][url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_politics&Number=1369342&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=]Liberty Forum[/url]
By Ralph Z. Hallow THE WASHINGTON TIMES
"Evangelical Christians who take seriously the promises of God are pro-Israel," Mr. Hutchens said. "Only those who hold a replacement theology ââ¬â which denies the original recipients the benefits of God's promises in regards to Israel's modern boundaries ââ¬â would suggest the Israel of today is not a fulfillment of God's promises.[/QUOTE]
IOW, only Judaizing heretics who believe Scofield's garbage think that the Jewish bandit in Palestine state has anything to do with the Bible. At least he more or less admits that.
Notice how they casually label 2,000 year-old traditional Christian teaching as "replacement theology." As if its something someone thought up, say, as recently as 200 years ago.
[QUOTE] "Evangelical Christians are the best friends Israel has, and those in the know among Orthodox Jews and in the Israeli government know that." [/QUOTE]
Why don't these evangelicals just convert to Judaism? They think the Jews are wonderful and still have God's favor despite their having murdered Jesus Christ and spent the last 2,000 years trying everything they can to undermine and destroy Christ's Church. Oh yes, God should simply adore these Jews. Isn't it obvious?
Only satan supports what these Jews have been doing.
2004-03-18 15:13 | User Profile
There was this one definition on whether Jews are "chosen people" that I read some time ago, don't remember where, that I thought was really good:
[COLOR=Red]"The Jews are nowadays the God's Chosen People only in the same sense that Satan was once the most beautiful of all angels."[/COLOR]
Petr
2004-03-18 16:57 | User Profile
For some reason, the following scene comes to mind:
Earnest, but slow witted 13 year old country boy, testing out his sea legs, taking candy and flowers to a worldly, but shallow female classmate who has been giving him the "things are possible" smile from the other side of the class. At the first opportunity, when the rest of the class is out of ear shot and eye site, he gives the girl the candy and flowers and clumsily professes his undying love for her. She laughs in his face, and tells him what a foolish clod he is and throws the flowers on the ground, yet takes the candy and goes back to all her friends and tells them all about her recent encounter with dumb ass Billy Bob. Well, Billy Bob repeats the same thing every week and gets the same response from the girl till the point is reached where he is the butt of more jokes than anyone else in the school. ---