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Thread ID: 12775 | Posts: 33 | Started: 2004-03-17
2004-03-17 20:24 | User Profile
[I].....and the fweepers rattle on about how great American democracy is and Iraqis are so lucky to have Americans liberating them....[/I]
[SIZE=4][B]U.S. 2050: Asians, Hispanics will triple[/B][/SIZE]
Census Bureau sees non-Hispanic white population at 50 percentMSNBC Updated: 11:32 a.m. ET March 17, 2004WASHINGTON -
The U.S. Census Bureau is predicting that the nation's Asian and Hispanic populations will triple by 2050 while the population of non-Hispanic whites increases by just 7 percent. As a result, the non-Hispanic white population will drop to half of the total from a current level of close to 70 percent, the report said.
Overall, the Census Bureau projected the U.S. population will continue to grow, increasing from 282 million in 2000 to 420 million in 2050.
"However, after 2030 the rate of increase might be the slowest since the Great Depression of the 1930s as the size of the 'baby boom' population continues to decline," the Bureau said in a statement.
Projections for 2050 include these:
[B]The Asian population [/B] rises from 10.7 million to 33.4 million, a 213 percent increase. Their share of the nation's population would double, from 3.8 percent to 8 percent. [B]The Hispanic population [/B] rises from 36 million to 103 million, a 188 percent increase. Their share of the nation's population nearly doubles, from 12.6 percent to 24.4 percent. [B]The black population [/B] rises from 36 million to 61 million in 2050, a 71 percent increase. That would raise their share of the country's population from 12.7 percent to 14.6 percent. [COLOR=Red]The non-Hispanic, white population rises from 196 million to 210 million, a 7 percent increase. This group is projected to actually lose population in the 2040s and would comprise just 50.1 percent of the total population in 2050, compared with 69.4 percent in 2000.[/COLOR]
The overall population becomes older. "Childbearing rates are expected to remain low while baby-boomers -- people born between 1946 and 1964 -- begin to turn 65 in 2011," the Bureau noted. "By 2030, about 1-in-5 people would be 65 or over." The female population continues to outnumber the male population by a slight margin. The Bureau said its projections are based on Census 2000 results and assumptions about future childbearing, mortality and international migration.
It noted that the projected 49 percent population increase by 2050 "would be in sharp contrast to most European countries.
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2004-03-17 22:24 | User Profile
These projected numbers could be right - but I don't believe it will pan out. The cracks are already visible in the "system". Small collapses will occur here and there, but it will eventually topple much sooner than anyone will realize. When whites are stuck in a position wherein they have no way to avoid fighting these people for the most meager of needs, then all bets will be off. The media and govt. will lose their grip. The military? It'll eventually break up along racial lines, despite those that think otherwise. Worse is better.
Look at major events in history, and how quickly they changed what was projected, how quickly entire populations changed. Look at easily the zhid bolshevists moved millions of people around the USSR to insure the side by side positioning of ethnic groups that they knew would fight amongst themselves. So much for those that don't think that millions upon millions couldn't be dealt with, one way or another when "judgment day" arrives. Oh, it'll happen. It won't be pretty. But in the end, the zionists, the elites, the browns and the blacks, will be scratching their heads, wondering what got into whitey when they thought he was under control.
2004-03-18 01:36 | User Profile
Three years ago I suggested to seven of my friends to start teaching Chinese to their kids,,,,,,, 3 of the seven have done so for the past two years and all 4 of their kids are able to hold a decent conversation in the Chinese language.
The language for business will be Chinese and to communicate, to a certain extent, Spanish. This doesn't mean that English is dead but that people with Spanish knowledge will have a better chance, I am talking about doctors, police, supervisors care takers and so on.
As you know the majority of Spanish speaking people from Mexico, Central and South America in the US refuse to learn English, see what is going on in California and you will know what I mean.
Out of 17 employees that I used to have only one was able to understand English.
2004-03-18 04:22 | User Profile
Roy: Do you think whites care? I'm being serious. Do they? I seem to be the only person who constantly talks about this with friends. They agree...then flip the channel. They say things like "That sucks, but really Jay, what is it that you want me to say?"
They have a point - there IS nothing for them to say. NOne of them are running for President, and none are going to be influential really. Sucks that our elites want it this way, but I have to say, nothing I can do either.
Pisses me off.
-Jay
2004-03-18 07:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Roy: Do you think whites care? I'm being serious. Do they? I seem to be the only person who constantly talks about this with friends. They agree...then flip the channel. They say things like "That sucks, but really Jay, what is it that you want me to say?"
They have a point - there IS nothing for them to say. NOne of them are running for President, and none are going to be influential really. Sucks that our elites want it this way, but I have to say, nothing I can do either.
Pisses me off.
-Jay[/QUOTE]
Whites will end up being forced to care. Things have to get worse. A lot worse. Most whites are comfortable. But it can't and won't last.
Spanish would be a waste of time. Besides, most "Latin" Americans speak a bastardized form of the language. "Spanglish" and "Mexican" are the norm in CA. The Cubans have their rapid-fire "version" of Spanish, as do the Puerto Ricans, etc. Anyone working in the sciences or trade knows that English is the international language if you want to succeed in those areas.
The Chinese have an interest in running the show in Asia, but when one considers their massive population against their achievements, well, things aren't getting better in that area as fast as they'd like. Take into consideration that their population growth has now stuttered and will actually begin to decline and one sees that some projections will have to be altered.
The country is not going to last long enough to turn into a latrino shite-hole. It will topple. Whitey is nearing the limit as to what ill-gotten funds through a confiscatory tax system and anti-white laws over the years can support. People can challenge this statement, but there isn't one country with majority mestizo, Amerindian, black, etc. populations that has succeeded or will succeed. When whitey is finally against the wall, things will change. Look at how quickly things arrived at this point - and then think about how quickly they could change and go in other directions.
The arrogance of the elite has been the same throughout history. They never believe they can be toppled. Then they are. It's happened before, to all of them, including the jews. It will happen again. The innate arrogance and blind self-centeredness of "hispanic" cultures and their belief in myth adds to the formula in interesting ways.
If things collapsed to rock bottom, do you really think blacks or latinos could dig themselves out of a mess, never mind handle whitey? With closed borders, no white "charity" and disease, tribal warfare, crime, starvation, etc. making their inevitable appearance among the darker folks, is their any doubt their population numbers would be culled in rapid fashion? Third world population numbers are artificial. Take away white money and the numbers will drop incredibly over just a five year period. And one way or another, it will happen.
2004-03-18 08:13 | User Profile
The 14 th amendment must be repealed if this government is to stand is it would be only a logical deduction that it goes out the window, of course Lincoln and F.D.R. did U.S. in along time ago as a republic, and as for Pearl Harbor if our represtative's were not bought and paid for they would hold hearing's for treason today. Of course they would have to be educated to even understand the extent of the treason at Pearl Harbor to get U.S. Jewwar2 against 90% of the U.S. citizen's will at the time, and it's direct ramifactions to U.S. at this moment today! Deportation's are a given if white's are to survive in our home land and soon too. I am sick to the NPR etc.B.S. which reminds me, MEDIA, we must have white media, that will be truthful and helpful to U.S. whites in daily life.. Give a listen to [url]www.couchpower.com[/url] National shows March 10 edition I would be willing to give to a fund to buy real media.. For OUR people who do "NOT" read, they listen to Savage while driving, and Savage goes on and on and on about NAZI'S and HITLER.. Amazing the Balls these cow pies have ain't it? Reality and truth is at [url]www.ussliberty.org[/url] any one who has not read the liberty site, I say it is hard for me to count any one on my side who has not read this. That is of course if they can read, but then I have known some very good white people who could not read, so there are exceptions to every rule......
2004-03-18 08:22 | User Profile
What does the USS Liberty have to do with immigration? The majority of pro-immigration-types are not Jews but actually cheap White people who don't want to pay a fair wage, and can only get non-White filth to work in their sweatshops.
2004-03-18 08:33 | User Profile
They are of the group who have given U.S. "hate speech" that one is a real goody, you like that one huh? How about immigration with achor babie's and preference's in government hiring, you like that huh?, gun restriction's rather than segragation to protect white's, and race marriage law change's. If you have read the USSLIBERTY site, then I would say to you that it is all one body, and that has had it's boot on our collective neck's for far too long...If you have any more question's on trans gendered or any other perversion's, and or twisting of Western law and civility, please take your questions to [url]www.jewwatch.com[/url] For those who do not understand please read the preface at least for Dr.Kevin MacDonald's "Culture of Critque"
2004-03-18 08:38 | User Profile
You make no sense.
2004-03-18 09:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]What does the USS Liberty have to do with immigration? The majority of pro-immigration-types are not Jews but actually cheap White people who don't want to pay a fair wage, and can only get non-White filth to work in their sweatshops.[/QUOTE]
The US Liberty,,,,,,welllllll, that's a good sample of what is going on with the Jews, you worry about immigration? Do you know that the Zionist State of Israel wants to bypass the Law? They want their people to be able to march into the US without any type of visa or registration. Can you imagine how many more spy's they will be able to infiltrate into the USA?
And about "sweatshops", who do you think owns the sweatshops in NY and other sweatshops land places?, the Jews.
Now the Jews are trying to pass a law in congress where it will make it illegal to talk against the Jews in colleges campuses.
And you worry about those without power who are only trying to find work in the USA?
2004-03-18 10:03 | User Profile
I know all about the USS Liberty. I don't need any instruction from you, Mr. Latino. It is mainly the Jews also invented the concept of the Latino/HIspanic -- in order to divide the White Race further -- so maybe you should thank them. The Jews are only one part of the struggle of the White race. Any person who cannot trace his ancestors back to Mother Europe is my enemy, as is any White person who rejects his European roots.
2004-03-18 16:46 | User Profile
The hope some of you people have baffle me. Whites being forced to get real? Get real. Did the whites in once white-majority South Africa stand up? The whites who ran Zimbabwe? Nope, they were called racists and subjected to sanctions so they folded their resistence. I wonder how much white complicity there was in the black-on-white genocide in Haiti that turned Haiti, a diamond into a lump of coal.
Where is the awakening in states already dominated by non-whites? People in southern Texas and southern California simply accept being turned into foreigners and 2nd-class citizens in their own nation or they flee to the shrinking pockets of white civilization.
Some of you are fooling yourselves into thinking that things won't be as bad in 2050 as the article projects. Things will be worse. Asian immigration will increase as the American Asian population hits critical mass to make moving from Asia feel like moving from one Asian town to anther Asian town. African immigration will skyrocket, as news of America's open borders become common knowledge in Africa. Millions of a billion Indians are considering moving.
What can you do? B*tch slap your fellow White Nationalist who talks about having quality over quantity of children (family is real wealth). Do what it takes to stop paying taxes (stop fueling the anti-white machine). Accept Christianity as your religion, and teach it to your children (Zionist Christians are a fruit of post-Christian America, atheism/secularism is precurser to hatred of your race). Do as all the other races do and don't give your business to anyone not of your race. Support School Choice (stop whining about giving the government a foot into the door of private schools). Raise your children without TV, or be very careful about what you let them watch (be a prude with your chi.dren). Etc. But, even many people in this forum resist some of these things, let alone someone less racially aware. That is why the white race will be history and the nexus of freedom and prosparity will be gone from the face of the Earth.
2004-03-18 17:08 | User Profile
There's even some in the WN community who think it will take until the year 2050 for Whites to become a minority. That, unfortunately, is going to happen much, much sooner than 46 years hence. I'd say it's only several more years before it becomes too horrific for Whites to ignore any longer. More Whites may catch on, but not nearly enough for any real change. White South Africans and Zimbabweans did nothing, White Americans won't do nothing. The ONLY way I see Whites possibly coagulating is if there's an all out food supply catastrophe, where it would seem certain that the mulitcultural blasphemy would fracture faster than a nose in a boxing ring. We'll see. It also may turn into 'every man for himself' type of thinking, but ultimately, worse is better..... Bush/Cheney '04
2004-03-18 18:46 | User Profile
AN OPEN LETTER TO WHITE PEOPLE
by K. Patton
Pardon me. Don't get up. I don't have any brilliant revelations for you about how to stop the racial decay of your people. I haven't devised a new tactic to enable you to rejuvenate your declining cultural heritage. And I refuse to deceive you with phony words of encouragement. It is obvious to all, except the dead, that we are losing -- big time.
No, you're not going to hear much new here. I'm just another middle-aged, overweight white man who, only recently, regained part of his conscience, after twenty years of being a consumer unit in this pathetic clown-world that has been created for us. You'll get no lectures here. But I would like to make some observations and suggestions if you have time enough to read along before the next episode of "The Simpsons" is aired, at which time I know that you will have to go.
First, let me recap some personal history, being careful to keep the anecdotes to a minimum. My high school and college days were during the late 1960's and early 1970's. It was an exciting time, filled with turmoil, to be an activist for white causes. The real revolutionaries during that time weren't the tens of thousands of cookie-cutter Bill and Hillarys that showed up, mostly on dope, for the countless sit-ins and peace marches. They all wore their tie-dyed bell bottoms, granny glasses and long hair, thinking that they were actually doing something original. Their attitude seems laughable now. My loyalties lay in a different direction.
During high school, I organized a white rally after attacks by blacks on one of the smallest white kids in our school. Enough whites had sufficient solidarity and pride to show up at school wearing all white clothes, prompting the blacks to walk out of school. Being editor of the school newspaper, I wrote an editorial critical of the black riots at San Francisco State University and passed out countless pamphlets, leaflets and stickers from various organizations, including the National Youth Alliance. In college I helped bring pro-white speakers to campus to offset the flood of left-wing radicals that seemed to have an open invitation. I remember the disappointment when Dr. William Shockley was declined because of the cowardly fear of controversy. I demonstrated with radicals in Chicago and associated with some that I now regret. Being one of ten thousand peaceniks in a march is quite different from being one of a dozen, confronted by thousands of counter-demonstrators throwing things and eager to beat you to a pulp in the name of peace. I was arrested for tearing down a Viet Cong flag being carried by a member of the Young Socialist Alliance. Fortunately, the charges were dropped. To this day, the liberal, prostituted media avoids any mention of the revolutionary efforts of white activists against overwhelming odds. Those were exciting times and I was in the thick of it. Since then, the record of constant assaults upon our language, traditions, religion, culture and our physical well-being would fill encyclopedias. Even the Boy Scouts of America is not exempt from infiltration by homosexual perverts.
Early on I found one principle essential to all my efforts as a white activist. I learned to accept the labels of hater, bigot and racist as liberal inventions designed to intimidate whites into inactivity. We have to vow, in our own minds, to reject this part of the liberal assault on us as irrelevant. The only people in the entire world prohibited from preserving their cultural and genetic heritage and ensuring the survival of their people are whites. Most others are free to promote their own self interests without harassment. It is not evil for us to do so.
But white attempts are met with actions such as those of Raymond Franklin, Assistant Director of Maryland's Police and Correctional Training Commission. Franklin publishes a "Hate Directory," which tracks racists, anarchists, secessionists, neo-Nazis, gay-bashers and religious radicals. I hope you don't think that today's police agencies are only supposed to pursue those committing crimes.
Any perceived slight to minority interests of every racial, political or sexual persuasion, is met with a level of solidarity and cohesiveness which we are not permitted. The names of Twana Brawley, O.J. Simpson and Army Sergeant Major McKinney, recently accused of sexual misconduct, serve to remind us of the double standard. Examples such as the Riverside, California, black woman, shot while raising her gun at police, only serve as a rallying point for those already benefiting from a corrupt and ineffectual judicial system. Forgiveness and uplift are only available to minorities. Former gang member and street thug Lawrence Wu is now editor in chief of the Columbia Law Review, despite missing more than two years of high school. Born to Taiwanese parents, Wu managed to win a $30,000 Paul and Soros Fellowship award for new Americans, even though attempted murder charges were filed against him a few years earlier.
Recently, Pizza Hut joined a long list of individual and corporate victims of the unique form of extortion known as hate crime laws. Millions of dollars are being forfeited by companies such as Texaco, Eddie Bauer, Dennys and Pennzoil. In Peoria, Illinois, a man's car was confiscated without due process of law for using it to commit the "hate crime" of yelling racial epithets from it. Hate crime punishments for such acts as cross-burning can range to 40 years in prison. And if no real crime exists, then you can invent one as per 28-year-old Angela Jackson of St. Paul, Minnesota. Jackson, a former law "student" at Chicago-Kent College of Law and William Mitchell College of Law, tried to extort $150,000 from United Parcel Service by writing racial epithets on packages and sending them to herself and nationally known black leaders.
Non-whites are allowed and encouraged to organize themselves in anticipation of seizing social and political power in order to hasten that glorious day when whites are smothered in a minority avalanche. Our television has become a minority culture-feast while our religious and cultural traditions are lost to us. Consider the actions of the New Orleans School Board that renamed George Washington Elementary School because he was a slave-owning racist. Or the Jewish judge Stephen Cohen in Florida who now refuses to sign "A.D." on court documents because our calendar is anti-Semitic and offensive to him. Mexican-Americans now have their own Veterans Memorial. Television networks such as C-SPAN regularly air programs about American Indians, Asian-American role models and debates within the Jewish community about how soon America should release the convicted spy Jonathan Pollard, so that he may triumphantly receive a hero's welcome in Israel. However, the owner of a minor league baseball team in Hagerstown, Maryland had the audacity to discount admission to his ballpark for those with a church program and was rewarded with an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit claiming discrimination. "Tolerance," it seems, is only reserved for certain races and religions.
The black celebration of Kwanzaa, a "religion" barely 30 years old, is celebrated profusely in the media yearly. The seven principles of the religion include: helping businesses in the neighborhood, the unity of being one community and self determination. Imagine the hell raised if whites openly subscribed to such ideas. The spectacle of South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu being interviewed by a groveling Ted Koppel on Nightline recently epitomizes white attitudes concerning race after decades of televised propaganda and "liberal" education. Tutu now sits in pompous judgment on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, handing out clemency to black rapists and murderers as he speaks a white man's language, adorns himself in clothes and jewelry manufactured by white technology, pretends of be a leader of a white religion and brags about his miraculous cancer treatment, made possible by white science. He should be getting on his knees and thanking God daily for the white man and the blessings brought to South Africa by white civilization, including his own education at white universities.
The reaction to any public display of healthy white racial attitudes is another matter, however. Consider the actions of Senator Trent Lott and Congressman Bob Barr after recently being accused of associating with "white supremacists." They are running scared at even the suggestion that they would associate with, or even speak to, racially aware whites. On the other hand, Jesse Jackson can refer to New York City as "Hymie town" and Representative Barney Frank's homosexual roommate can operate a prostitution ring from their apartment with no apparent harm to their careers. Black Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush, co-founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party, is now considering running for mayor of Chicago.
At the same time that the United States Postal Service is preparing to place the image of white-hater Malcolm X on a postage stamp, conservative talk show host Michael Reagan bemoans the fact that David Duke may run for the seat left vacant by the disgraced Bob Livingston of Louisiana. The United States House of Representatives is composed of 435 persons of almost every ethnic and sexual persuasion, including Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, homosexuals and assorted liberal radicals. Scattered in among these minorities are a few cowardly whites of European descent called "conservatives." The presence of even one white person with our interests foremost in his mind is simply unacceptable to the issues-obsessed conservative race traitors. Texas Governor George Bush Jr. and his brother Jeb in Florida have manifested their self-hatred by embracing Hispanics ahead of whites. Somehow we must find a way to relieve whites of their self-hatred.
Courses of action seem to be in short supply. You can assume that we are doomed and give up. You can resort to some illegal activity, become incarcerated and be of no use to anyone. You can do something. Let's explore the last one.
First, most importantly, think in terms of race-based ideas and organizations only. "Conservative" issue-oriented social clubs and tea parties are not worthy of your support. Keep your thoughts toward a racial solution to our problems. If you take care of the race problem, you won't have to worry about gun control, abortion or states rights. Becoming bogged down in issues about the CFR conspiracy, school prayer or the right of the University of Mississippi to fly the Confederate flag only obscures the essential issues of race and civilization. Support groups that promote the interests of our people, not just issues.
Secondly, reach out to potential allies. Whites who disagree with you on the above mentioned issues are not necessarily your enemies. We are a minority of less than 20 percent of the entire world and can no longer afford the bitching among ourselves over such trivialities as economic status, religious denomination, ad infinitum. If every one of us in the year 1999 were able to only recruit one person to help, this small, pitiful movement of ours would double in size by next year. Become an advocate but don't expect to become more popular.
Develop a revolutionary attitude, if not in deeds, at least in thought. Recognize the dark side of liberalism for what it is, not for the mask of humanitarianism placed upon it. Face the reality that white inactivity is largely the result of our own weaknesses and abnormalities in our behavior. Despite the best efforts of the propaganda machine of our enemies, there will continue to be a natural recruitment of some whites to our cause due to minority crime, affirmative action, hate crime laws, hiring quotas, etc. The randomness of being a crime victim in today's multi-cultural heaven on Earth was recently illustrated by an armed gang invading a Los Angeles restaurant, where they raped a 21-year-old customer, cut the throat of a cook and pistol whipped a 63-year-old woman.
Racially educate your immediate family, especially your children. Don't avoid this because of fear of turning your kids into radicals. If you can't talk to your own flesh and blood about the survival of their own kind, you have already given up. It is not hate to do so. If you hesitate, you may find one of your children, as I did, involved in inter-racial dating. They may not accept your views, but it is your obligation to tell them -- the sooner the better. Pry them away from Barney, Star Wars, Beanie Babies, ad nauseam, long enough to have a talk with them.
Finally, leave time away from the fight for yourself. There is strength in being happy and that is your own personal duty. Liberate your mind from the constant gloom and doom. Discard and walk away from the mundane and destructive. Turn off your television. It glorifies the bizarre and normalizes the grotesque. It has become an emotional, physical and sexual freak show. Use the time to talk and listen to others. They used to call it conversation. Listen to a radio or read a book. Give yourself the education that liberals stole from you. The internet is one source of news, information and fellowship that is expanding and open to us. Just don't let it become a substitute for action.
I appreciate your time and realize that your beer is empty and the next episode of "King of the Hill" is imminent. But just one more thing before I leave you. Twenty years ago I "dropped out" in deference to the pressures of job and mortgage. I helped crystallize the cellulite in our collective buttocks by doing nothing for a long time. If you are young, the options are wide open to you. Affiliate yourself with an organization or go it alone. Find your own comfort level of activism as I did thirty years ago. Those middle-aged, like myself, may choose a less direct course of action, but the least you can do is buy a few extra copies of a well written racial publication and leave them lying around at the local college or youth center. Older whites, even if physically restricted, can send a few occasional dollars to a racialist group, even if it means playing one less game of bingo per month. And we can all talk to others. Many whites are waiting for someone to lead the way toward steadfast support of our race in a positive manner, not just by demonizing the actions of solidarity among others. Make the decision to fight the good fight.
Just something to think about -- and act upon.
20 January 1999
2004-03-18 19:54 | User Profile
As for any one saying that the Rhodesian's just gave up, I say read what really happened. U.S. combat vet's went there to help and drew conscript pay only. I read that in 1981 or 80 that Britain was actually threatening Ian Smith with the bombing of the capital Harre with old Lancaster conventional bomber's if he and the white's did not open the Rhodesian border's up and give the country to blacks to rule and the U.S. government fully backed Britain and pressured Ian Smith too, to surrender.. Then Mr. Smith an the white's of Rhodesia were promised they would be protected.. I have talked to ex-Rhodesian's who confirmed every thing I read was 100% right on target. Just like U.S. Senator T. Kennedy who stated in 1965 that the change's in the new immigration law would not skew the racial demographic's in the U.S. There you have it..
2004-03-19 04:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]The hope some of you people have baffle me. Whites being forced to get real? Get real. Did the whites in once white-majority South Africa stand up? The whites who ran Zimbabwe? Nope, they were called racists and subjected to sanctions so they folded their resistence. I wonder how much white complicity there was in the black-on-white genocide in Haiti that turned Haiti, a diamond into a lump of coal.
Where is the awakening in states already dominated by non-whites? People in southern Texas and southern California simply accept being turned into foreigners and 2nd-class citizens in their own nation or they flee to the shrinking pockets of white civilization.
Some of you are fooling yourselves into thinking that things won't be as bad in 2050 as the article projects. Things will be worse. Asian immigration will increase as the American Asian population hits critical mass to make moving from Asia feel like moving from one Asian town to anther Asian town. African immigration will skyrocket, as news of America's open borders become common knowledge in Africa. Millions of a billion Indians are considering moving.
What can you do? B*tch slap your fellow White Nationalist who talks about having quality over quantity of children (family is real wealth). Do what it takes to stop paying taxes (stop fueling the anti-white machine). Accept Christianity as your religion, and teach it to your children (Zionist Christians are a fruit of post-Christian America, atheism/secularism is precurser to hatred of your race). Do as all the other races do and don't give your business to anyone not of your race. Support School Choice (stop whining about giving the government a foot into the door of private schools). Raise your children without TV, or be very careful about what you let them watch (be a prude with your chi.dren). Etc. But, even many people in this forum resist some of these things, let alone someone less racially aware. That is why the white race will be history and the nexus of freedom and prosparity will be gone from the face of the Earth.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I am always baffled by those that compare the US to S. Africa. While I could go into the stories regarding just how many S. African boolies it takes to handle one armed white farmer, why bother? That whites are setting up their own "districts" etc. in S. Africa goes unmentioned in most of the jewsmedia because it might give whitey ideas. And if whites were only 49% of the population in the US, that's far, far higher than the percentage level ever reached by S. African whites - when the country had a developed infrastructure, of course. The white folks in S. Africa were sold out by their leaders, just like whites in the US, but that doesn't mean things will take the same turn. In fact, the story may not even be over in SA. Let's see what happens if the 'groids go ... ape when Mandela dies, and begin to cleanse the land of whites. Yes, if this occurs, a lot of whites will be ground under at first, but then it will be interesting to see what the more militant whites, like the folks creating their "no-blacks allowed" towns, do to straighten things out. My bet would be on the whites - although it wouldn't surprise me to see Uncle Sham try and step in, scratch blackie on the head, and attempt to KO the evil whites himself.
Moving on, the whites in the US do not have the same mentality as S. Africans. Not at all. They are not of the same "stock". People have complained about Americans being the "me first" bunch, but get out and meet S. African ex-patriates and you will see that Yanks can't hold a candle to them. The majority of the whites in the US are descended from German and Irish stock. These people no doubt still possess the innate, latent mentality that made them the most desired conscripts in Europe. For example, despite PC lies in America today, soldiers of Irish descent have won an overwhelming majority of Congressional Medals of Honor. By a large margin. Yes, there is the claim of "hispanics" having won more, percentage wise, than any group. However 41 medals (or 39 according to some sources) doesn't even match up to Asians or "Native Americans" percentage wise, never mind blacks. So much for machismo. When push comes to shove, the whites will again be depending on the same groups to do most of the fighting. Just as it was in the past, with the Irish and Italians in the East and Mid-West, successfully keeping the blacks OUT of their neighborhoods until Uncle Sham stepped in with the police/Nat. Guard and zhid scripted laws. However, the whole mess will play itself out in larger, and much bloodier fashion down the line. Whites will pushed into a corner. Having gone to school with shitskins, I can tell you that on a few - very few - occasions, white kids were forced to band into "mobs", and will wonders never cease - the n**gers and beaners would back off. These days, the turdskins would be packing guns, or running off to get them. But it didn't go unnoticed that the ground apes would lose confidence when confronted with a group. Kind of like being in prison. A white in a prison gang has far, far less to worry about than a white in the hoosegow on his own.
That the military will fracture along racial lines is a foregone conclusion. Despite all attempts to change things, combat troops are overwhelmingly white, and special forces units are close to 100% white - and this is with blacks and browns being given every break imaginable.
You put a bunch of American whites against the wall, and they will fight, and win. And everyone knows that. Everyone. Numbers don't mean as much as crybabies and doomsayers think they do. The jews are a small minority - yes, there are probably twice as many of them in the world as is claimed - but they are still a true minority. Love 'em or hate 'em, they work together. When whites are forced to work together, and it doesn't have to be at near the level of the jews - and it is happening, bit by bit - it will be over for the system, the status quo. The people in charge sense this on one level, but their arrogance doesn't allow them to think they could be toppled. However, this awareness is why the movement to disarm white Americans continues, this is why there is the constant zhid-media bombardment attempting to force all whites to think like milquetoasts. From some of the remarks I've seen here and there, the folks with no gumption to fight should do us all a favor and offer themselves up as sacrifices to the darkies now. It'll be just that many less dead whites we'll have to see when the real battle begins. Yep. We'll see a lot of whites knocked off at first. Too many whites have been pussified by the zhidrealites. But their inaction and cowardice will force the rest to see, in brutal fashion, that being an "... I give up, don't hurt me," or "... what's the use?," kinda guy will only get you killed. After much worse has already happened to you. The signs of collapse are all around us. Worse IS better in the long run. Most whites, even in the middle of multi-culti Hell are TOO comfortable. That isn't going to last. Not here. The comfort level will be far below what it was for most S. African whites when the boolies began to go wild in earnest. No doubt about it. Worse is better. Sure, it's scary. But it's what one does in a crucial situation that determines being a hero or coward. I'll bet on whites, considering their overall track record.
2004-03-19 04:53 | User Profile
Exmetal and Roy, great post's thank you.. As the for the non-whites pouring in daily legal, illegally, and along with the SO CALLED REFUGEE'S that are being fully helped in their non-white invasion of U.S. by Catholick's, Looteran's and over seen by that Hebrew Brother's refugee outfit. So, itz coming faster than any one want's to admit or believe.. The white gated communities are being silent for now, but wait till they are shooting savage's off their gates, if they are the lucky one's who any chance for a few more days once they are surrounded. There is a NEW law coming at us now, itz U.S. HR 3077...and itz headed for the Senate, I was light headed for second after reading it. If this goes through, NO more First Amendment... NO criticism of itsalie, or Uncle jewey, oi! the hate.. We are witnessing these NKVD descendant's with their AIPAC lobby in action...... It will be like Canuckistien for U.S. only worse...
2004-03-19 08:36 | User Profile
and now, the [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1099891/posts]fweeper-view[/url] on this subject...
To: Ashamed Canadian Ok, so the word 'genocide' means when one race actively tries to destroy another. Is there a word for a race that knowingly tries to destroy itself as whites are?
What "race" is destroying itself? Given what an utter leftist disaster "White" Europe is now, this article comes as very good news. Bring on the increasingly conservative and increasingly Christian Hispanics and Asians, imho. They'll be much better Americans than any White Europeans immigrating today will ever be.
19 posted on 03/17/2004 1:16:43 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (FR is overflowing with Marxists.)
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To: Ashamed Canadian America was created in opposition to white culture.They made that choice when they revolted.It just happened that their founding fathers borrowed the Magna Carta and continued using the language,but further than that,there was never anything intended to be 'white' about America....not to my knowledge anyway.Thats why anglophile writers such as H.L Mencken looked upon the revolution with disdain,that dude even thought allowing Germans in was too multicultural.
And i've made it a point never to discuss multiculturalism with Americans,i dont realise i'm being offensive to their sensibilites at times(with the counter that my nation is supposedly disarmed,but no one told the 3 million gun owners,along with being too PC).So i dont think they're committing racial suicide,there was no concept of race there from the start(besides god-awful stuff like the KKK).
Love the yanks in all their colours anyway,90% great,moral,loyal(except when it comes to wars over taxes!)folks.
181 posted on 03/17/2004 5:11:03 PM PST by armed_in_sydney
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To: Afro_conservative
Not at all. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. In truth, I have experienced in my life far more grief at the hands of my fellow "whites" than at those of "non-whites," so I am here to tell you that the hearts, minds, and souls of "whites" and "non-whites" alike often is and always will be problemmatic and a question mark to me.
But, indeed, all or most of this "white" and "non-white" business, IMO, is not of the Lord but of he who would bring down our Heavenly Father's children.
And that includes you and me, brother(sister?). All the best.....
106 posted on 03/17/2004 2:18:38 PM PST by tracer
[FONT=Arial Narrow]to be fair, there are some freepers who don't like this prediction, but they are few and far between, and are being drowned out by the anti-White, pro-immigrant crowd.[/FONT]
2004-03-19 14:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Actually, I am always baffled by those that compare the US to S. Africa. While I could go into the stories regarding just how many S. African boolies it takes to handle one armed white farmer, why bother? That whites are setting up their own "districts" etc. in S. Africa goes unmentioned in most of the jewsmedia because it might give whitey ideas. And if whites were only 49% of the population in the US, that's far, far higher than the percentage level ever reached by S. African whites - when the country had a developed infrastructure, of course. The white folks in S. Africa were sold out by their leaders, just like whites in the US, but that doesn't mean things will take the same turn. In fact, the story may not even be over in SA. Let's see what happens if the 'groids go ... ape when Mandela dies, and begin to cleanse the land of whites. Yes, if this occurs, a lot of whites will be ground under at first, but then it will be interesting to see what the more militant whites, like the folks creating their "no-blacks allowed" towns, do to straighten things out. My bet would be on the whites - although it wouldn't surprise me to see Uncle Sham try and step in, scratch blackie on the head, and attempt to KO the evil whites himself.
Moving on, the whites in the US do not have the same mentality as S. Africans. Not at all. They are not of the same "stock". People have complained about Americans being the "me first" bunch, but get out and meet S. African ex-patriates and you will see that Yanks can't hold a candle to them. The majority of the whites in the US are descended from German and Irish stock. These people no doubt still possess the innate, latent mentality that made them the most desired conscripts in Europe. For example, despite PC lies in America today, soldiers of Irish descent have won an overwhelming majority of Congressional Medals of Honor. By a large margin. Yes, there is the claim of "hispanics" having won more, percentage wise, than any group. However 41 medals (or 39 according to some sources) doesn't even match up to Asians or "Native Americans" percentage wise, never mind blacks. So much for machismo. When push comes to shove, the whites will again be depending on the same groups to do most of the fighting. Just as it was in the past, with the Irish and Italians in the East and Mid-West, successfully keeping the blacks OUT of their neighborhoods until Uncle Sham stepped in with the police/Nat. Guard and zhid scripted laws. However, the whole mess will play itself out in larger, and much bloodier fashion down the line. Whites will pushed into a corner. Having gone to school with shitskins, I can tell you that on a few - very few - occasions, white kids were forced to band into "mobs", and will wonders never cease - the n**gers and beaners would back off. These days, the turdskins would be packing guns, or running off to get them. But it didn't go unnoticed that the ground apes would lose confidence when confronted with a group. Kind of like being in prison. A white in a prison gang has far, far less to worry about than a white in the hoosegow on his own.
That the military will fracture along racial lines is a foregone conclusion. Despite all attempts to change things, combat troops are overwhelmingly white, and special forces units are close to 100% white - and this is with blacks and browns being given every break imaginable.
You put a bunch of American whites against the wall, and they will fight, and win. And everyone knows that. Everyone. Numbers don't mean as much as crybabies and doomsayers think they do. The jews are a small minority - yes, there are probably twice as many of them in the world as is claimed - but they are still a true minority. Love 'em or hate 'em, they work together. When whites are forced to work together, and it doesn't have to be at near the level of the jews - and it is happening, bit by bit - it will be over for the system, the status quo. The people in charge sense this on one level, but their arrogance doesn't allow them to think they could be toppled. However, this awareness is why the movement to disarm white Americans continues, this is why there is the constant zhid-media bombardment attempting to force all whites to think like milquetoasts. From some of the remarks I've seen here and there, the folks with no gumption to fight should do us all a favor and offer themselves up as sacrifices to the darkies now. It'll be just that many less dead whites we'll have to see when the real battle begins. Yep. We'll see a lot of whites knocked off at first. Too many whites have been pussified by the zhidrealites. But their inaction and cowardice will force the rest to see, in brutal fashion, that being an "... I give up, don't hurt me," or "... what's the use?," kinda guy will only get you killed. After much worse has already happened to you. The signs of collapse are all around us. Worse IS better in the long run. Most whites, even in the middle of multi-culti Hell are TOO comfortable. That isn't going to last. Not here. The comfort level will be far below what it was for most S. African whites when the boolies began to go wild in earnest. No doubt about it. Worse is better. Sure, it's scary. But it's what one does in a crucial situation that determines being a hero or coward. I'll bet on whites, considering their overall track record.[/QUOTE]
Roy Batty, excellent post. Back in my previous post, I might have sounded "doomsdayish", but believe me, I know parts of the White race will fight in the end....many, but not all Whites, and I'm not too sure that's enough for ultimate victory. Why I'm still skeptical about the White race gumption for survival? It is because on a daily basis with people I speak with about issues, and others I hear on the mass media, I'm seriously dismayed, and also alot frightened, about what comes out of their mouths concerning the future of America.
I feel like a loner. These Whites I speak with cannot even FATHOM a breakup of America, never mind along racial lines. I know there's gonna be us, you and I and the other White warriors, who would rather die on our feet than live on our knees, but what I'm really shocked at is that the majority of Whites, even upon hearing this news that in the years to come that the White race is slated for complete displacement and extinction, they shrug it off as "impossible".....and, the media even gives us real life examples almost everyday with pictures of Haiti and Africa and the Balkans, but Whites are, simply put, APATHETIC!!
It MUST have been that way is South Africa too, or even Rhodesia. They caved in to the Zionist fist that pounded racial nationalism right outta their systems. The Whites didn't go down fighting there, did they? What's driving me to reach a point of total exasperation is what the f*ck is it going to take to make Whites even REALIZE RACE EXISTS! That's why in my previous post, I declared that it will probably take FAMINE for Whites to unite and even then, I'm not too sure.....to me, I wonder, if things gotta get that bad for White self-determination, that's just plain sickening........
2004-03-19 15:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE]What's driving me to reach a point of total exasperation is what the f*ck is it going to take to make Whites even REALIZE RACE EXISTS! [/QUOTE]
I think Ygg is right that it will take something approaching a total financial collapse.
BTW, if you haven't yet read [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/052138673X/qid=1079710103/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8915665-0341558?v=glance&s=books]Collapse of Complex Societies [/URL] I urge you to do so. This is the book that Ygg urges upon us in our thinking about how it might happen.
The basic notion is that that which we call "collapse" is understandable in economic terms as a return to a lower quantum of complexity necessitated when additional investments in social complexity yield diminishing or even negative returns.
Ygg seems to think that we're approaching that time, with "stress vectors" such as endless war and payments to favoured groups become impossible due to economic factors. When we reach that point, the thing will collapse back down to the next quantum of complexity.
We saw this happen in both Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, which fractured along ethnic boundaries.
America is in for the same thing, I'm convinced.
When? Dunno. Ygg recently said here that the financial flows from the US Treasury reverse to negative due to the retiring Baby Boom generation in 2008. There's a presidential election that year, too, which adds additional stress.
I would add that Shrub's collossal economic mismanagement can only hasten the collapse.
Our job is to create the republican earthworks back upon which the Empire can collapse. This is happening, IMHO, in the form of the homeschool movement, CCW laws, the Free State Movement, and other healthy phenomena. I hope that this will accelerate as the economic thing goes to shite.
Perhaps the upcoming horrors of SA will help. It would be great to capture that hell on DVD - it might have didactic value.
Walter
2004-03-20 01:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I think Ygg is right that it will take something approaching a total financial collapse.
BTW, if you haven't yet read [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/052138673X/qid=1079710103/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8915665-0341558?v=glance&s=books]Collapse of Complex Societies [/URL] I urge you to do so. This is the book that Ygg urges upon us in our thinking about how it might happen.
The basic notion is that that which we call "collapse" is understandable in economic terms as a return to a lower quantum of complexity necessitated when additional investments in social complexity yield diminishing or even negative returns.
Ygg seems to think that we're approaching that time, with "stress vectors" such as endless war and payments to favoured groups become impossible due to economic factors. When we reach that point, the thing will collapse back down to the next quantum of complexity.
We saw this happen in both Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, which fractured along ethnic boundaries.
America is in for the same thing, I'm convinced...
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Yeah, Ygg and I have been on the same beam for years. Economic collapse is what will kick things off big time. That's what I meant in an earlier post when I stated we are reaching the limit to what (mostly) white middle class taxpayers can support. Oh, other things are going to cave inward of course, and believe me, CNN, the latest release at the multi-plex and Howard Stern aren't going to be able to get anyone's attention. Neither will govt. force after awhile. Angry whites having to fight the animals just to get food for their own children can do wonders to change a lot of minds and modes of thinking. I think it's going to happen at some point between 2006 and 2012 or so. Could be a bit later, but things are crumbling all around.
Your thoughts on someone putting together DVD's etc. aren't far off, as I and some like minded folks are looking toward getting a nice project going before the end of the year - and we have access to mighty fine high-end editing and compositing software and equipment. We just have to be careful working in the middle of one of the hubs of the enemy's control - Hollywood. Getting enough "cleared" material might pose some problems, but we are going to investigate "fair-use" issues, guidelines, etc. If any of you want to chime in, have knowledge on this issue (as it pertains to using "news" footage/images, etc.) feel free.
In the end, I have little doubt whites will win out. I am afraid that it is going to come at a heavy, heavy price. But so be it.
Whether whites take everything back "at once" so to speak or after fracturing, doesn't matter. Fracturing might not be bad, allowing whites to re-group some might say. Then they could go after the entire continent with gusto, as no doubt they would. Take back what's theirs. What's ours. United whites could crush any and all Latin American opponents, never mind any "black" homeland that might (I doubt it) arise. Manifest Destiny II.
2004-03-20 05:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE]There's even some in the WN community who think it will take until the year 2050 for Whites to become a minority. That, unfortunately, is going to happen much, much sooner than 46 years hence. [/QUOTE]
[COLOR=Indigo][I]Relevant StormFront Forum post by Davey Crockett:[/I][/COLOR]
On my desk here is the instruction sheet for classifying people for "race/ethnic identification" for a EEO-1 report. This is a report that employers are required to fill out and send back to my department. Here is the definition of White: "White (Not of Hispanic origin) - All persons having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East." The article mentions Hispanic as a separate category. [COLOR=Indigo][QUOTE][But Hispanics, especially the criminals, are often catorgorized as White.] [/QUOTE] [/COLOR] Thus the real percentage of the population that is white is us minus the North Africans and Arabs. That is 69% minus the percentage of these two groups. The real percentage of whites may be closer to 60% than 70%.
2004-03-20 06:50 | User Profile
Good post seq.. Something must be in the Air, call it Spirtual, Biological, or what ever you like, because more white's are now listening than EVER before, especially if they are not on dope or senile they know something is terribly wrong. When this Noahide Government tells you 2050, think soon, real soon, and be afraid, very afraid..... Simply put, if there is "NO" country or State that allow's a white only population, that simply tell's you "Genocide" is going on. Canadian's are even MORE dumbed down than whites in the U.S. if you can believe it. The pure B.S. white Canadian's allow would have an average republican in the U.S. getting "very nasty" to say the least. [url]www.freedomdsite.com[/url] Also I was horrified to only learn of H.R. 3077 yesterday at [url]www.rense.com[/url] I posted here at O.D. but no one commented on it. I say remember always the [url]www.ussliberty.org[/url] those boy's on the YELLOW LIFE RAFT"S were machine gunned.. Can you see that?
2004-03-20 15:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=seq][COLOR=Indigo][I]Relevant StormFront Forum post by Davey Crockett:[/I][/COLOR] Thus the real percentage of the population that is white is us minus the North Africans and Arabs. That is 69% minus the percentage of these two groups. The real percentage of whites may be closer to 60% than 70%.[/QUOTE]
There's a great article in the Jan 2002 American Renaissance here: [url]http://www.amren.com/0201issue/0201issue.html#cover[/url] documenting that, because of what Davey says above about Arabs, Turks, etc, the 50% mark may come in 2025--a generation earlier.
My concerns about the white future (please address): 1. A belief in "collapse". What if there is no identifiable collapse of white society but rather a withering away over the present century? A slow decline (remember, it took centuries for Rome to collapse) might affect us like a frog in slowly heated water--we'll just hang out complaining a little now and then, till its too late. Those who can will move to Newfoundland, etc, and the rest will waste away. I recall reading a book written 50 years ago call the John Franklin Letters (its basically a revolutionary ancestor of the Turner Diaries). The author's premise was that things were getting bad and that for a certain we would have white revolution by the 1970s. Well things did go from bad to worse from the 50s to the 70s, but there was no revolution. And things have continued to get worse decade after decade after decade. Still no revolution and white consciousness is but a fraction of what it was when the John Franklin Letter were written in the 1950s. It seems that we continue to believe in "The Great Collapse and White Redemption," not because its a certainty but because it would just be too damn depressing not to believe in it.
Why are we so sure that if and when the collapse happens, we will be the ones to seize the reins? Those present at the 2002 AR Conference were rightly scolded by Nick Griffin for having next to no WN political presence in America. It seems entirely plausible to me that should society collapse a leftist statist (the powerful left have a very real and visible presence) could seize control. They might severely curtail crime and maybe get the trains to run on time, maybe even close the borders...all of which autocratic govts often do (well except for the "trains" part); but would still be a "Diversity is God" sort of gov't. Right now, I think one of the top things that people would go to war for in the midst of a collapse is to "keep those damned racists/Nazis/fascists away from the reins of power." After all, that's what we've all been conditioned . Starvation makes people angry. Starvation makes people violent. But starvation does not necessarily make people smart. If the left is in power then they, with the help of the media, will define the enemy and the starving slavering dogs will rush into the fray, hoping that once the "bad guys" (the wicked white racists who "as they'll be told" caused all this mess so that they could gain power) are finally and forever put down, the good times will return and utopia will be at hand.
One for our side. In response to one of Xmetal's concerns. One of the everpresent threats that hung over S.Africa and other like nations facing the loss of white power, was the strong arm of the US threatening sanctions, etc. which helped quash apartheid, etc. When it comes our turn, I don't see any other power (China, Japan, Europe) that would give a damn. If we wanted to set up a WN gov't here, Europe might complain and wail, but they wouldn't do a thing about it (they might even take notes).
The fictionalization of our present racial nirvana. I worry that when hard times come and racial tension flare to the fore, most whites will think back on the 1990s (etc) as a racial Nirvana when we all got along. The media ignores so much of our plight that the surviving "evidence" of race relations in the US will be crap like "Save the Last Dance" to prove how we all coexisted peacefully. The whites may fight, not in their own interest, but to return to the Golden Age of Diversity (which never existed) which would only make things (at least in the long run) worse.
The atomization of whites. Roy noted that when whites start fighting nonwhites for food then we'll come together. But so few whites see themselves as white there's not much reason to think that they'll see things that way. Rather, they'd see themselves fighting "everyone" for food.
BTW, I do see reason for hope in the elections of Europe. Each nation eyes the other to see how far they can get on the anti-immigration question and then they take it a little bit further, and bit by bit they advance. But this is not necessarily white salvation and I still worry and very much want to be proven wrong about my concerns.
Thanks to you all, Feric
2004-03-20 23:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE]When this Noahide Government tells you 2050, think soon, real soon,[/QUOTE]
Exactly. The 2050 prediction (which has not been updated since the mid-90's, even as the non-White population has literally soared) is to lull sheepish White naifs into thinking there's still world enough and time to keep resetting the snooze alarm. Meanwhile, an imminent tidal wave of "color" is fixing to wash us all out to sea.
[QUOTE]and be afraid, very afraid.[/QUOTE]
That, I am.
2004-03-21 03:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE]There's a great article in the Jan 2002 American Renaissance here: [url]http://www.amren.com/0201issue/0201issue.html#cover[/url] documenting that, because of what Davey says above about Arabs, Turks, etc, the 50% mark may come in 2025--a generation earlier.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting that url, FJ. I've been looking for some documentation regarding the relentless bogusness of the 2050 prediction.
[QUOTE]What if there is no identifiable collapse of white society but rather a withering away over the present century? A slow decline (remember, it took centuries for Rome to collapse) might affect us like a frog in slowly heated water--we'll just hang out complaining a little now and then, till its too late.[/QUOTE]
My humble opinion, based solely on the apathy of family, friends, co-workers is that Whites will continue their frog-like reaction until the pot boils over and they're cooked. The odds are there won't be an all-out revolution--maybe a small number of WN men will attempt some heroic but doomed attacks on government forces. They'll be crushed, then executed or shipped off as slave laborers [much like the surviving Wehrmacht was after WWII] to various Third World countries where they'll work ‘til they drop from building infrastructure and being force-miscegenated with syphilitic natives.
[QUOTE]Those present at the 2002 AR Conference were rightly scolded by Nick Griffin for having next to no WN political presence in America.[/QUOTE]
A vital point and one that late-of-this-board Triskelion often made. No serious WN political presence and no White-owned major media speaks volumes about the lack of an organized counterattack. Our apathy is the enemy's greatest strength.
[QUOTE]Right now, I think one of the top things that people would go to war for in the midst of a collapse is to "keep those damned racists/Nazis/fascists away from the reins of power."[/QUOTE]
Yes. Anti-racist useful tools will be in the forefront attacking and killing for sport the WN's who do manage to mount campaigns against government forces. Afterwards, they'll award medals to each other and give speeches praising themselves for ridding the U.S. of "those damned racists/Nazis/fascists." Then they'll disappear (if they survive the inevitable anti-White pograms which will follow their Pyrrhic victory) forever into a vast sea of color.
[QUOTE]One of the everpresent threats that hung over S.Africa and other like nations facing the loss of white power, was the strong arm of the US threatening sanctions, etc. which helped quash apartheid, etc. When it comes our turn, I don't see any other power (China, Japan, Europe) that would give a damn. If we wanted to set up a WN gov't here, Europe might complain and wail, but they wouldn't do a thing about it (they might even take notes).[/QUOTE]
What we refer to as the U.S. is, in reality, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Israel, just as the USSR was--and still may be. Usreal [B]would[/B] give a damn about a WN government in place here. I see them nuking White strongholds and/or offering instant citizenship, buckets of cash and loads of other treats to anyone, anywhere who would come help them annihilate the boundlessly evil antisemitic White racists.
[QUOTE]The atomization of whites. Roy noted that when whites start fighting nonwhites for food then we'll come together. But so few whites see themselves as white there's not much reason to think that they'll see things that way. Rather, they'd see themselves fighting "everyone" for food.[/QUOTE]
Right. And we/they [B]will[/B] be fighting everyone. Prolonged starvation will render even your nicest White neighbors violent and color blind. They won't care if you're White, too, if they have starving children to feed. However regretfully, they will take your food supply and kill you if necessary to survive.
[QUOTE]BTW, I do see reason for hope in the elections of Europe. Each nation eyes the other to see how far they can get on the anti-immigration question and then they take it a little bit further, and bit by bit they advance. But this is not necessarily white salvation and I still worry and very much want to be proven wrong about my concerns. [/QUOTE]
Some European nations are showing signs of racial enlightenment. Their efforts may be too little too late to make a difference in the long run. But I must agree, even those small steps give me some hope for Europe's future. As for the U.S., my head tells me: abandon all hope ye White folks who enter here, you're on your own. The Highland Regiments aren't coming to save you from the savages this time. They may even come to kill you and save the savages. Next stop, if you're lucky, is an Arctic ice floe. But in my heart I'll never give up on the America of my ancestors. And, this late in the pageant, ya gotta have heart.
2004-03-21 03:44 | User Profile
I've heard the racial argument over and over and over again. The problem is that the most influential and powerful " Whites " are working against your own concerns, your own mostly righteous objections to what is happenning here in America and across the world I truly believe there will be no White takeover and return to insulated glory as a race. Sorry Roy. Its gone too far. The division which will cause major war and strife and destruction of our civil socities is not to be broken down on a racial standard. It will be more profound, more ideological and in order for us to stop the madness we cannot think of all Whites as automatically included. I do not , nor should you, believe that the Hispanics, Asians, and Negroes ( half anyway ) or even the Jews are responsible for the collapse of the Constitution, collapse of Sovereignty, and amelioration of connection to what made Whites strong, namely, a hearty spirit and ability and intelligence unparalled. What we now have is much different than the environment which made whites dominate hundreds of years ago..I don't even see the world on a racial level anymore.. I give more creedence to beliefs which are held in steadfastness.. lest ye recall, before that happenned, Whites we all cutting each other's throats and warring over historically trivial matters.
2004-03-22 02:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Feric Jaggar]There's a great article in the Jan 2002 American Renaissance here: [url]http://www.amren.com/0201issue/0201issue.html#cover[/url] documenting that, because of what Davey says above about Arabs, Turks, etc, the 50% mark may come in 2025--a generation earlier.
My concerns about the white future (please address): 1. A belief in "collapse". What if there is no identifiable collapse of white society but rather a withering away over the present century? A slow decline (remember, it took centuries for Rome to collapse) might affect us like a frog in slowly heated water--we'll just hang out complaining a little now and then, till its too late. Those who can will move to Newfoundland, etc, and the rest will waste away. I recall reading a book written 50 years ago call the John Franklin Letters (its basically a revolutionary ancestor of the Turner Diaries). The author's premise was that things were getting bad and that for a certain we would have white revolution by the 1970s. Well things did go from bad to worse from the 50s to the 70s, but there was no revolution. And things have continued to get worse decade after decade after decade. Still no revolution and white consciousness is but a fraction of what it was when the John Franklin Letter were written in the 1950s. It seems that we continue to believe in "The Great Collapse and White Redemption," not because its a certainty but because it would just be too damn depressing not to believe in it.
We haven't reached a level in which Whites are truly "uncomfortable". Whites are doing well, for the most part, economically, even with the confiscatory tax program that is transferring White dollars to the muds. Economic collapse is what is needed, dire economic collapse. No money. No ... food.
- Why are we so sure that if and when the collapse happens, we will be the ones to seize the reins? Those present at the 2002 AR Conference were rightly scolded by Nick Griffin for having next to no WN political presence in America. It seems entirely plausible to me that should society collapse a leftist statist (the powerful left have a very real and visible presence) could seize control. They might severely curtail crime and maybe get the trains to run on time, maybe even close the borders...all of which autocratic govts often do (well except for the "trains" part); but would still be a "Diversity is God" sort of gov't. Right now, I think one of the top things that people would go to war for in the midst of a collapse is to "keep those damned racists/Nazis/fascists away from the reins of power." After all, that's what we've all been conditioned . Starvation makes people angry. Starvation makes people violent. But starvation does not necessarily make people smart. If the left is in power then they, with the help of the media, will define the enemy and the starving slavering dogs will rush into the fray, hoping that once the "bad guys" (the wicked white racists who "as they'll be told" caused all this mess so that they could gain power) are finally and forever put down, the good times will return and utopia will be at hand.
Nothing is guaranteed. If it comes down to a real fight - with the military fracturing along racial lines as I truly believe it will, whites will eventually seize control. Do you really think a population, say, 50% black, brown, Asian, Arab, every other non-white group you can toss in, is going to band together, be cohesive in a REAL war against Whites? No. Not by a long shot. I suspect the E. Asians for the most part would rather side with the Whites or head for the hills. On some level it seems a lot of Whites are aware of what's going on - I hear it every day from the most sissified of sheeple - but they don't have the proper "motivation" that will lead them to fight. Like I've said earlier, if a civil war hits, a lot of whites will be killed, hurt, at first. A lot. But as things grind on, the tide will turn.
- One for our side. In response to one of Xmetal's concerns. One of the everpresent threats that hung over S.Africa and other like nations facing the loss of white power, was the strong arm of the US threatening sanctions, etc. which helped quash apartheid, etc. When it comes our turn, I don't see any other power (China, Japan, Europe) that would give a damn. If we wanted to set up a WN gov't here, Europe might complain and wail, but they wouldn't do a thing about it (they might even take notes).
Hell, we may end up taking notes from Europe, as they are nearing the edge just as we are. The Chinese may move to put Asia under their control while the US is involved with internal repairs, but that won't be our problem. Shouldn't be our problem. Should never even have been a true concern of the White man anyway. China's population growth has stuttered, is grinding to a halt. They seem to be on their way to having an old, massive and old, population down the line. Their concern will probably be with India far before they end up being concerned with internal collapse, civil war in the US.
- The fictionalization of our present racial nirvana. I worry that when hard times come and racial tension flare to the fore, most whites will think back on the 1990s (etc) as a racial Nirvana when we all got along. The media ignores so much of our plight that the surviving "evidence" of race relations in the US will be crap like "Save the Last Dance" to prove how we all coexisted peacefully. The whites may fight, not in their own interest, but to return to the Golden Age of Diversity (which never existed) which would only make things (at least in the long run) worse.
No one who has ever lived in major urban area, no white, will have real memories of a racial nirvana. Not if they grew up or lived among the blacks and browns. Push comes to shove, fighting is severe, conditions horrible, and it will probably be more a payback mentality, or a "fu 'em" mentality - as some of are starting to see arise among Whites in S. CA. The media is going to lose it's "power" when things collapse. No one will be able to pay attention. It will be background noise if CWII is in full gear. Nothing is guaranteed. If it comes down to a real fight - with the military fracturing along racial lines as I truly believe it will, whites will eventually seize control. Do you really think a population, say, 50% black, brown, Asian, Arab, every other non-white group you can toss in, is going to band together, be cohesive in a REAL war against Whites? No. Not by a long shot. Even Whites who believe in some type of racial "nirvana" will have reality hit them in the face, because if they try to reach out to the wonderful dark folks, they're going to find their asses handed to them. Tough st, it has to happen as an example to others who might be choosing to be so foolish. I hope that the "freepers" quoted above will be the foolish folk who end up being the sorry examples of which way not to go. They deserve it.
- The atomization of whites. Roy noted that when whites start fighting nonwhites for food then we'll come together. But so few whites see themselves as white there's not much reason to think that they'll see things that way. Rather, they'd see themselves fighting "everyone" for food.
No, the darkies will quickly demonstrate to whites whose team they are on - they will unwittingly provide a racial awakening. Whites will have to band together to get anything if things progress to this stage, which I am sure they will. Whites are already atomized. A CW would turn things the opposite direction. Besides, I see that happening already, as does MacDonald, with his remarks regarding jewish led programs that can only lead to Whites becoming racially aware - as happened to himself and others.
BTW, I do see reason for hope in the elections of Europe. Each nation eyes the other to see how far they can get on the anti-immigration question and then they take it a little bit further, and bit by bit they advance. But this is not necessarily white salvation and I still worry and very much want to be proven wrong about my concerns.
Thanks to you all, Feric[/QUOTE]
I too see hope in (some) of the elections in Europe - and in the deteriorating conditions there and in the US. The internet has also given me much hope, as I have been able to direct folks on how to find the "real" news, and from there, their thinking seems to gradually change, they "come around" after awhile. With little prodding. No situation goes on forever. Things go up and down. I suspect Whites are going to pull themselves out of this current situation, but in the future, some day, far, far off, they'll find themselves in trouble again. It's the nature of things.
Heck, like mentioned earlier, Whites could break away, set up their own "country" - build things up, then go after the whole continent in brutal fashion, using their technological virtuosity to easily handle hordes of muds. That would be "sweet", if brutal.
2004-03-22 03:39 | User Profile
This is a fascinating thread. Sam Francis went over this topic back in 1998, in a review of Thomas Chittum's CIVIL WAR II. His thoughts on this subject might be of interest. In brief, he didn't believe that America's rulers would lose their grip on power.
[url]http://www.samfrancis.net/pdf/all1998.pdf[/url]
Prophesying War
Back in 1994, The Atlantic Monthly published a notable article by journalist Robert Kaplan entitled "The Coming Anarchy." The article dealt with what Kaplan took to be global indications of impending chaos as resources dwindle, infrastructures decay, weapons are peddled, gangs and armed bands replace states, and ethnic, racial, and tribal loyalties prevail over less ferocious identities. The article was illustrated with several photographs of pitiful and chaotic scenes in such picturesque localities as Beirut, the Balkans, and Central Africa. One of the photographs, indistinguishable from the others, is from Los Angeles during the "Rodney King riots" of 1992.
To look at the last photograph and suddenly realize it's not Rwanda or Belfast but the second largest city in North America is jarring, and perhaps it was intended to be. If nothing else, the picture serves as a reminder that it can happen here, that it almost did happen here, and that it might well happen here in a short time to come.
That it is going to happen here is the thesis of a new monograph, Civil War II, by an ex-mercenary named Thomas Chittum, which has attracted no attention whatsoever in the mainstream book reviews but over the last few months has been a hot topic in what can today only be called the "Underground Right" -- the buzzing hive of Internet sites, short wave radio stations, one-man newsletters, guerrilla fax warriors, and other dissidents who use new and alternative technologies to construct their own counter-culture. When it comes to warfare, Mr. Chittum seems to know what he's talking about. He's a Vietnam veteran and former artillery expert who served in Rhodesia as well as in Croatia. Now he's settled down to prepare for the coming Armageddon that his book prophesies.
The premise of his prediction that the United States sometime in the next generation or so is going to collapse into an anarchic civil war is the ethnic and racial fragmentation of the nation that the U.S. Census Bureau has been projecting since 1992 and which President Clinton so far has been the only American President to mention. By 2050, according to the projections, whites will constitute 52.5 percent of the national population (down from the current 74.8 percent), blacks will constitute 14.4 percent, Hispanics 22.5 percent, Asians 9.7 percent, and Indians .9 percent. "It's as if every day 3,000 whites were disappearing and being replaced by 3,000 minorities. Every single day! This is a sort of statistical ethnic cleansing engineered through liberal immigration laws and unchecked illegal immigration."
But Mr. Chittum's point is not that whites are ceasing to be a majority. His point is that whatever the mix of races and ethnic groups, the mix itself is the problem. He offers a list of several other countries that have collapsed into ethnic conflict when the mix reaches certain levels. He allows that "Multiethnic and multilingual nations can and do work. However, all evidence clearly indicates they work only if each group is allowed to conduct its own affairs without undue meddling by the central government." Switzerland and Belgium are examples of highly decentralized federal multiethnic states where the different ethnicities appear to be able to live with each other without cutting each others' throats. Such is not the case in the United States, however.
In the United States, federalism and decentralization are not happening and are not going to happen. The United States is in fact an empire, not only with regard to external relations but also with regard to its own internal structure. Authoritarian trends in the central state itself, the increasing stratification of the social structure into an overclass and underclass, the destruction of the middle class, and the pattern of immigration itself all suggest an "imperial conversion" of the American nation-state.
But the imperium will be unable to control its own domain, for the simple reason that weapons, funds to buy them, and the will to use them, driven by ethnic-racial loyalties and hatreds, will outdraw the empire. The Los Angeles riots themselves are a kind of paradigm for Mr. Chittum's grim predictions. In the course of the riots, armed street gangs undertook most of the actual violent action, and Mr. Chittum points out that while the City of the Angels alone sports no fewer than 100,000 gang members, the entire United States contains only about 554,000 full-time police officers. If the gangs wanted to, they could simply take over Los Angeles by force, and it will be recalled that during the riots, police units actually retreated from armed rioters whose weapons were heavier than those of the cops. There were a number of incidents in which police squad cars deliberately ignored looting of stores -- probably because they lacked the instruments of force to stop the looting -- and Korean shopowners collectively armed themselves to protect their shops and homes that the police refused to protect.
Of course, the state and federal governments could stop the rioting and the takeover by the gangs, couldn't they? Well, no, as a matter of fact, Mr. Chittum argues. Federal military bases within the United States are highly vulnerable to armed attack and neutralization. Designed to placate civilian tastes and sensibilities as much as military needs, military bases typically lack a cleared field of fire within which an invader could be cut down like ripe wheat, defensive perimeters of mine fields and armored bunkers that could deter invaders, adequate manpower, and adequate facilities for withstanding sieges. Moreover, no small number of the defenders of the bases will be co-ethnics of the attackers and will provide "fifth columns" inside the bases that will help turn them over. The same is true of local and state police and national guard units. Your local military base might be terrific for entertaining the kids with a Veterans' Day parade, but don't count on the troops protecting your neighborhood during Civil War II.
In addition to the incipient ethnic and racial fragmentation of the nation, Mr. Chittum also points to political and regional schisms already appearing. All of these will, in his view, enhance the likelihood of chronic armed violence throughout the country in the near future. "When civil authority breaks down in America, our criminal gangs will instantly fill the power vacuum, just exactly as has been the pattern in other lands. The gangs have their organization and firepower to serve as the nucleus for actual armies. And since they will be self-financed in the coming time of chaos, they will grow like wildfire. Militias, cults like the Nation of Islam, and other armed organizations will also rapidly grow into full-blown armies."
Mr. Chittum also has some fascinating scenarios of how the conflict will actually fall out in various areas of the country, particularly the South, where the ethnic and racial composition will be so mixed that certain "enclaves" may survive. Finally, he has some practical advice on how to survive even if you don't live in such an enclave: Stockpile food, get a gun (he doesn't like handguns but recommends military semiautomatic rifles that fire easily available standard cartridges), and select the part of the country for your stronghold based on its capacity for economic self-sufficiency and distance from likely areas of conflict. Also, don't tell anyone what you're doing since otherwise you may
enjoy unsolicited and none-too-friendly visits when your friends and neighbors realize you're prepared and they're not.
Mr. Chittum has no doubt that all this is going to happen, and indeed he makes a powerful case for it. But there are also reasons to think that it probably won't happen, and those reasons can tell us something about a future that may be more likely though by no means as much fun as the bloodbath Mr. Chittum foresees.
In the first place, with all due respect to ethnic and racial loyalties, there are other social relationships that are often no less powerful as group bonds. Given a chronic breakdown in the infrastructure of economic supply and governmental enforcement of order, it is just as likely that regional, economic, class, and religious bonds will divide the population into mutually competing and conflicting groups as race. Race appears to mean very little either to Christian evangelicals or to most militia members, and at least some urban gangs are already ethnically mixed. Areas that depend on agriculture or on serving economic demands that could still be served and can't sustain themselves any other way would probably continue to function as fairly peaceful communities of mixed ethnic, class, religious groups.
Moreover, even if ethnicity and race do become the primary identities for group existence and action, it does not follow that they will go to war with each other. Urban street gangs haven't made a bid to take over entire cities yet, despite the large funds
from drug trafficking and the availability of sophisticated weaponry, precisely because they are criminals, not soldiers or empire-builders, and because they provide a certain sense of community and group bonding to otherwise socially crippled adolescents. It's more likely the gangs will insist on pushing crack and running girls than that they'll look for chances to attack military bases, however soft and flabby the latter might be. As for the militias, strange religious cults, "white separatists," and similar underground movements, I've seen and read nothing about any of them that would convince me they're a serious danger to anybody. Most of their burned-out members seem to spend more time smoking dope and reading pornography than they do plotting guerrilla warfare. The fact is that, apart from criminals and a few lunatics, Americans in general today are couch cabbages whose closest approach to guerrilla warfare is the weekly argument over who gets to hold the remote during Melrose Place.
But the major argument against Mr. Chittum's predictions is that the overclass, as flabby and crooked and imperial-decadent as it might be, is not about to let Civil War II take place. What Mr. Chittum doesn't entirely grasp is that the overclass, the Ruling Class, as I have argued before, rules mainly through manipulation, not through force or intimidation. Ruby Ridge and Waco, which he sees as signs of impending reliance on force, are more likely signs of the incompetence of the Ruling Class at using force at all. Ruling classes that do rely on force like the Nazis
or the Communists would have gobbled Randy Weaver and David Koresh at a single bite and not spent weeks pondering how to get them to come out peacefully. It's quite true that there is an emerging federal police state, but our incumbent Ruling Class, Republican or Democrat, simply isn't constructed to rely on it as its primary mode of power. Instead, it relies on manipulation, the deliberate inculcation of an apparently spontaneous and voluntary desire to obey, and soap operas, game shows, and professional sports are far more useful instruments of control for its purposes than BATF goon squads.
Mr. Chittum is entirely right about the ethnic, racial, social, and cultural fragmentation -- "Balkanization" -- that mass immigration is engendering, but it doesn't follow that the Ruling Class that permits, wants, and indeed commands that this fragmentation take place won't be able to control the results. Balkanization and fragmentation are themselves means of manipulation (it used to be called the tactic of "divide and conquer") by which the elites prevent the formation of any enduring national community that can challenge its own power. The real future, perhaps less exciting than that of Civil War II, is what various writers have called "Brazilianization," the disintegration of traditional community, class, and nation at the base of American society and the domination of a technically skilled, affluent if not luxurious overclass at the top that is no less multiethnic in its composition but is bound together by its
control of wealth, status, and political and cultural power. That is why American society becomes more and more "diverse" through the fragmentation that immigration creates at the same time it becomes more and more homogeneous through the uniform disciplining exerted by the federal leviathan in conjunction with the mass consumer economy and mass instruments of culture and communication.
Mr. Chittum is aware of this line of criticism and tries to respond to it.
The overall tendency is for establishment types to predict a crime and poverty-stricken multiracial banana republic, something like Brazil. Brazil is wracked by violence, but has so far avoided massive bloodshed like Bosnia. In such a society, the establishment reckons it can endure quite nicely behind its razor wire, walls and security guards. This optimistic view is based on their utter contempt for working-class whites. I'm confident they will be proven wrong, but time will tell.
I guess you can put me down as "an establishment type," though (a) I don't consider the prophecy of Brazilianization an "optimistic view" and (b) I don't harbor "utter contempt for working-class whites," even if they do tend to be couch cabbages. But you don't have to harbor "utter contempt" for anyone to believe that there is nothing in most Americans' background to prepare them for the kind of stockpile-and-shoot first future Mr. Chittum is licking his chops to encounter. You do have to believe, as the Ruling Class has already figured out, that most Americans can see no other option for themselves but a passive
endurance of the regime the Ruling Class has created, and of course that is a narrow vision that the Ruling Class does all it can to maintain. But who knows, maybe Mr. Chittum will turn out to be right after all. If and when Americans are able to glimpse an alternative future in which they can displace the Ruling Class and its regime of manipulation through their own resistance, Mr. Chittum's book may pop up on the best sellers list.��
2004-03-22 04:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Heck, like mentioned earlier, Whites could break away, set up their own "country" - build things up, then go after the whole continent in brutal fashion, using their technological virtuosity to easily handle hordes of muds. That would be "sweet", if brutal.[/QUOTE]
I've fantasized about an all-white North America that extended from the Panama Canal to the Northern Wastes of Canada. Imagine what a white nation could do with the beautiful beaches and jungles of Mexico...it'd be paradise. We could capture Cuba and use it as a penal colony--anyone murders, rapes, whatever and we ship 'em off to Cuba.
If you think I'm just daydreaming, Thomas Jefferson had the same idea once, if not more so. He thought we might take the whole western hemisphere and claim it for whites ONLY. Read: "[I]t is impossible not to look forward to distant times, when our rapid multiplication will expand itself beyond those [present] limits, and cover the whole northern, if not the southern, continent, with a people speaking the same language, governed in similar forms, and by similar laws; nor can we contemplate with satisfaction either blot or mixture on that surface." --Thomas Jefferson, Works of Jefferson, IX, reprinted in White Over Black, Winthrop D. Jordan (University of North Carolina Press) 1968, p. 470.
2004-03-22 05:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]I've heard the racial argument over and over and over again. The problem is that the most influential and powerful " Whites " are working against your own concerns, your own mostly righteous objections to what is happenning here in America and across the world I truly believe there will be no White takeover and return to insulated glory as a race. Sorry Roy. Its gone too far. The division which will cause major war and strife and destruction of our civil socities is not to be broken down on a racial standard. It will be more profound, more ideological and in order for us to stop the madness we cannot think of all Whites as automatically included. I do not , nor should you, believe that the Hispanics, Asians, and Negroes ( half anyway ) or even the Jews are responsible for the collapse of the Constitution, collapse of Sovereignty, and amelioration of connection to what made Whites strong, namely, a hearty spirit and ability and intelligence unparalled. What we now have is much different than the environment which made whites dominate hundreds of years ago..I don't even see the world on a racial level anymore.. I give more creedence to beliefs which are held in steadfastness.. lest ye recall, before that happenned, Whites we all cutting each other's throats and warring over historically trivial matters.[/QUOTE] I won't get in to a history debate and start linking and writing on and on, but Ygg has gone in to this subject in his writing's. Europe for a great part of it's history had white's being kidnapped all the time on it's edge's and raids on their territory, so many time's whites from vast area's would have to band together to defend their home lands. When the Mongols tried to take Europe in 500 A.D. All the white's Europe had to band together and fight back, or we would be speaking chicom and have slanted eyes. I say to you that the U.S. Civil war A.K.A. Federal aggression by the banker ganster's of Providence/Boston Jew/Unitarian elitist type's who really gave U.S. that sub'jew'gation of the sovereign independant state's of the U.S. It was willfully perpetrated by the money boy's and has led U.S. directly into the mess we are in now. I also believe they planned the war on South long before it happened, especially after John C. Calhoun's gave his speech in 1850 about U.S. not wanting any non-white territory to be a part of the U.S. Now as for the Depression it was fully contrived/run on the market, and was a brutal assault on the white's of the U.S. especially in the South, from 1929 to till the Full Blown TREASON of Dec. 1941. IT WAS A FULLY PLANNED ACT OF MURDEROUS TREASON! With the intent to destroying the U.S. Treason Of the highest level and it has not been brought to the bar of Justice yet. So here we are now with savages form Viet Nam, S.E. Asian Hmoog's, Flip's, Fresh Congoid's from Africa, Messytizo's aggressively always screaming I want my right's gringo etc. In the 2000, I wrote so called representative's of U.S. by U.S. mail asking why our border's were not closed and all I got back was idiot form letters. If our military won't take white's with certain symbol's on their arms etc. I say we may be seeing allot of those Evil white racist tattoo's appearing on young men as soon as they start drafting, ha. Of Course with the Noahide H.R. 3077 passing in the house on a NON RECORDED voice vote, who knows how far we will see the feral government oppression get going, hmm?.... Point is, I want to live with WHITES....... Media of our own media before itz too late. Hear [url]www.couchpower.com[/url] Click the National Radio shows.. Then go to the March 10th show, which is about U.S. getting realistic white media.. Finally, what is being done to white's is wrong, and our home land's will be destroyed if we do nothing, your wealth and nice home will mean nothing..
2004-03-22 15:03 | User Profile
In Kevin Strom's latest, very good weekly broadcast, he lists a stat that's particularly mind-blowing. In the NYC boro of Queens he goes on to say, "the White population went from 60% to 28% in ten years"....he doesn't give the decade, but I'm going to assume that it's probably 1990 to 2000. He also stated that in 1970, Queens was 80% White. I know it's true because I had many friends who lived in Queens and over that decade I witnessed it's terrible change from a working class White suburb to an alien Third World sh*thole. Folks, the cancer is spreading rapidly. I agree with Roy Batty in that the collapse of the USA into pure Third Worldism is going to happen between between 2006 and 2012. I was talking with family this weekend of my theories. They think I'm ablsolutely crazy. Just like some of my friends. This convinces me more that we're right. Folks just cannot accept their own vulnerablity. It's sad.
2004-03-22 22:03 | User Profile
Exelsis_Deo wrote:
I've heard the racial argument over and over and over again. The problem is that the most influential and powerful " Whites " are working against your own concerns, your own mostly righteous objections to what is happenning here in America and across the world
It is white elites and jews working together for the most part. The difference between the two, well, the major difference, is that the white elites have no racial loyalty, only a loyalty to money and class. This is what will get them in the end. The jews back all jews, rich, poor, in between.
I truly believe there will be no White takeover and return to insulated glory as a race. Sorry Roy. Its gone too far. The division which will cause major war and strife and destruction of our civil socities is not to be broken down on a racial standard.
No, it will be along racial lines. Guaranteed. The "latinos" already see it that way. When a collapse hits, the other side will quickly help you make up your mind as to what "team" you are on. And I don't mean that lightly.
It will be more profound, more ideological and in order for us to stop the madness we cannot think of all Whites as automatically included.
I have never thought all whites would be automatically included. Many whites, brainwashed into inaction or cowardice by decades of jewish media/academic manipulation will go down in flames. As will the multi-cultis who will try to reach out with open arms to their brown and black brothers in the "struggle". The same jews who brainwashed whites into "pussification" over the decades have also spent decades yelling into brown and black's ears that whitey is the devil, whitey is the enemy.
I do not , nor should you, believe that the Hispanics, Asians, and Negroes ( half anyway ) or even the Jews are responsible for the collapse of the Constitution, collapse of Sovereignty, and amelioration of connection to what made Whites strong, namely, a hearty spirit and ability and intelligence unparalled.
The jews are a huge part of it. This isn't even arguable. They have led the way in cultural decay. Everything else followed. The situation has fed on itself. White politicians will sell out their race for cash. Jewish politicians don't. Sure, it is more complicated on some levels, but at it's base level, the jews were the trigger for most of the decline. They were the engine - the fuel for the engine. The presence of "hispanics" and Asians is merely a symptom - a result of the jewish created Immigration Act of 1965 which ended up giving the elites an unforseen benefit - cheap labor and politically apathetic populations - very apathetic politically even when compared to most "unaware" and politically uncaring of white communities.
What we now have is much different than the environment which made whites dominate hundreds of years ago..I don't even see the world on a racial level anymore.. I give more creedence to beliefs which are held in steadfastness.. lest ye recall, before that happenned, Whites we all cutting each other's throats and warring over historically trivial matters.[/QUOTE]
People will always have wars and fight. What we are seeing now is the attempt to wipe whites off the face of the earth. Arrogant white elites don't see it that way, but you can bet the jews do - and the more radical zionists have said on many on occasion, openly, that is what they want. That has been discussed on many a thread at OD. Let whites clean up the big mess here and in Europe, and in the end, they will no doubt fight with each other. Wars, skirmishes, will always come about. But that's different from letting a hateful, hypocritical group of aliens attempt to destroy whites simply because they are jealous of white accomplishments, white civilization, white inventiveness and creativity. Simply because they see whites as their only true competition, their only roadblock to world rule. Sure, they might find some other roadblocks if whitey were gone, but jews are not known for being able to see things in a reeaaaaalllly long range fashion, and they **ALWAYS[/B] over-reach. Always have, always will. It's innate, it's their arrogance. As MacDonald showed that jews are incredibly self-deceptive, it's a combination of this self-deception and their unpararalled arrogance that has led them down the wrong road in the end, every time. Don't despair as you do. That's exactly what they want, exactly what the mindset they have inculcated in too many AWARE whites, never mind the sheeple. It's hardly an impossible situation. Hell, demographic turnarounds over a ten or twenty year period are disturbing. But keep in mind, a CW could result in tremendous demographic turnarounds in a much, much shorter period. Maybe it would be messy, but that's the least of our problems. Keep your chin up.