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Thread ID: 12748 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2004-03-15
2004-03-15 17:09 | User Profile
[url=http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/03/48307440.shtml?Element_ID=48307440]Southern Baptists continue name game[/url]
''We are no longer a regional influence,'' the Rev. Jack Graham, Southern Baptist president, told the group's executive committee last month. ''We are a network of churches, which circle the planet.''
2004-03-15 17:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident][url=http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/03/48307440.shtml?Element_ID=48307440]Southern Baptists continue name game[/url][/QUOTE]
Semitically-corrected Baptists
2004-03-15 19:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident][url=http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/03/48307440.shtml?Element_ID=48307440]Southern Baptists continue name game[/url][/QUOTE] Speaking as a proud Southron, the Southern Baptists are a source of constant embarrasment. Thier 24/7 pose is kissing Shecky's feet while Shecky laughs at them, and spits in their faces. New name for SBC: The Church of Shecky.
2004-03-15 21:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=GaConfed]Speaking as a proud Southron, the Southern Baptists are a source of constant embarrasment. Thier 24/7 pose is kissing Shecky's feet while Shecky laughs at them, and spits in their faces. New name for SBC: The Church of Shecky.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, there's more than a bit of truth to this GA, and the one man I consistently see out front leading the herd, so to speak, is [url=http://www.richardlandlive.com]Dr. Richard Land[/url].
Check out this leading quote from the above link:
Barely fifty years after the collapse of the Nazi regime, the scapegoating of Jews has become a powerful element of world politics. It is increasingly heard at comfortable dinner party tables, on campuses, at the United Nations, in foreign ministries and in many other 'respectable' quarters. In its starker form, it is now openly expressed in school textbooks, official newspapers and television broadcasts - often through libels identical to those employed by the Nazis. It must stop. It must be tirelessly and publicly denounced.
Hey Doctor! What about the Gospel? Sickening.
I still have respect for men like Dr. Charles Stanley and to be fair, one is hard pressed to find any denomination not affected by the 'modernists' within it, but it strikes me that the SBC has become the theological right hand of the national GOP.
2004-03-16 03:11 | User Profile
You are so dead-on on key political pressure points.
I am absolutely down with this one, as far as you will take it. It is home ground, for me, our family, tradition and soul. I was a licensed (not ordained) minister with double-major religion/philosophy at Baylor at its l950's hey-day. You may not know. Howard Butts, Charles Osborne, George Beverly Shea and Billy Graham as a young man (why doesn't he let it go), BRH choir on Wednesday nights with testimony...a ministerial student, by God! It never died. I went on into philosophy at the U. of Wisconsin before coming here to upstate NY via U. of Houston "back when" (Knew John Silber at UT then..) .. I say we land on Land. Hard. To wit:
Relations between the SBC and Baylor University. I sent the following excerpt to the alumni magazine last fall. I had just got into OD, heavy. You may know that there is a super bru-ha-ha over the current President's (neocon based) 10-year university projection. He's screwed lots of things up; I would be on the side of those calling for his resignation. Its big. If we could make Land make a public statement.... (developing)
o: BAYLOR MAGAZINE article on Mark Long September/October 2003, p. 22
I call for the replacement of this man, public vetting of the process that positioned him (as director of the Middle East Studies Program, and assistant professor in Baylorââ¬â¢s Interdisciplinary Core), answers to the questions raised below in re content of teaching and justification.
Reason: The history, style, details of his profile as provided by Vicki Marsh Kabat are ideologically linked to a particular political worldview; to wit, that shared by Republican Party neocon Jews, right-wing Catholics (some), and Reagan-Bush right-wing Christians. Minor differences aside, this is a monolithic bloc on issues of foreign policy toward Israel, and domestic social policy emphasizing a certain kind of diversityââ¬Â. Wrapped in the shiny foil of Baptist heritage ââ¬â ââ¬Åoldest institution of higher learning in the state and the largest Baptist university in the worldââ¬Â ââ¬â what the entire scene of ââ¬ÅMark Longââ¬Â represents is wrong, ugly, twisted; even beyond the mess associated with Coach Bliss, but inwardly related.
The fundamental problem is loss of way: spiritually, by Protestants in general, with Baylorââ¬â¢s very excellence causing it to fall hardest and loudest; and nationally, with corruption of the national idea by this administration. The result is a supine, common-denominator ââ¬Åtop-downââ¬Â, rush-rush-rush institution with no depth of soul, no confidence in where it has been, no sense of itself with a thriving, viable future, no resources in old faculty (like Jack Kilgore, Leonard Duce, Ralph Lynn, Dr. Humphrey, other beloved mentors from my class of ââ¬Ë55 era ââ¬â though many fine academics currently work there, Iââ¬â¢m sure). What has remained is the Idea of the Idea, but it isnââ¬â¢t refined gold. Itââ¬â¢s lead.
Sid Thomas, Ph.D.
2004-03-16 07:29 | User Profile
I think what is so dissapointing about the SBC's Jewophilism for me is that the Southern Baptists were the quesicential Southern church when I was growing up. It was this way right down to the way it was organized, which was a loose confederation of churches, with each individual church having a lot of autonomy. Leaving aside the theological issues, when the fundamentalists got control and started overbearingly dictating from the top things changed for the worse. It was almost like they were emulating the Vatican, or perhaps an even better example would be that they were copying the Soviet style command structure of the United Methodists.
Of course, this dovetails in quite nicely with the Jew neocon click, because that is the way they operate also, except they want to do it in the context of a one world government, being the Trotskyites they are. Add to that the "God's Chosen People" bit that the SBC likes to throw around, and thier belief that they are going to go out and get in the Jews' good graces so they can bring Shecky and all his kin to Jesus, and what you have is a match made in Hell, if you will.
And it is a loppsided relationship indeed. The Baptists do all the giving and enthousiastically send thier fine young Southern men off to fight and die for Shecky and T. Boone Pickens, while Shecky does all the taking and sends his young future con man off to Harvard. And Shecky enjoys this trememdously because The South is right at the top of his very long "to hate" list. After all, to this day, our culture has been able to possibly be the least Jewed of any great culture in the world, therefore Shecky has a very special place in his rotten soul for us. The Baptists are oblivious to this because their world is very small, and they tend to have blinders on when viewing it.
As for those other Protestant denominations, they were tainted a long time ago. Going to their churches are like going to the Land of the Living Dead.
2004-03-16 09:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=GaConfed]I think what is so dissapointing about the SBC's Jewophilism for me is that the Southern Baptists were the quesicential Southern church when I was growing up. It was this way right down to the way it was organized, which was a loose confederation of churches, with each individual church having a lot of autonomy. Leaving aside the theological issues, when the fundamentalists got control and started overbearingly dictating from the top things changed for the worse. It was almost like they were emulating the Vatican, or perhaps an even better example would be that they were copying the Soviet style command structure of the United Methodists.
Of course, this dovetails in quite nicely with the Jew neocon click, because that is the way they operate also, except they want to do it in the context of a one world government, being the Trotskyites they are. Add to that the "God's Chosen People" bit that the SBC likes to throw around, and thier belief that they are going to go out and get in the Jews' good graces so they can bring Shecky and all his kin to Jesus, and what you have is a match made in Hell, if you will.
And it is a loppsided relationship indeed. The Baptists do all the giving and enthousiastically send thier fine young Southern men off to fight and die for Shecky and T. Boone Pickens, while Shecky does all the taking and sends his young future con man off to Harvard. And Shecky enjoys this trememdously because The South is right at the top of his very long "to hate" list. After all, to this day, our culture has been able to possibly be the least Jewed of any great culture in the world, therefore Shecky has a very special place in his rotten soul for us. The Baptists are oblivious to this because their world is very small, and they tend to have blinders on when viewing it.
As for those other Protestant denominations, they were tainted a long time ago. Going to their churches are like going to the Land of the Living Dead.[/QUOTE]
I am totally down with this, GaCon.
I find that the historical and spiritual situation is calling me, strong, to actually try to [B]preach to them.[/B] along the lines you laid out.
Those were fine comments and I, for one, am proud to be from them in just those terms. I was named indirectly for Albert Sydney Johnson. The old folks haulled wagon's west to Texas from Mississippi after Lincoln's war.
"Least Judaicized" is the key. And absolute spiritual anarchy, which is to say freedom from top-down "expert" theology from the pulpit. And the real churches, which I was fortunate enough to attend under Rev. Cobb at Lockney, east of Plainview (Jimmy Dean country -- before he smelled up the entire northeast side) growing up in the Roosevelt years, always made decisions after they had "assembled in one accord", which is why the Likudnikism Southern Baptists tolerate among themselves, and pursue in government, as a substitute for "democracy" is a Sheckyness they deserve. They may be beyond reach, standing on the wrong side of eternity now, forever, but can that be entirely true? [B]Something[/B] has got to still be out there, doesn't it? I view the Great Commission as having run its course. The word has gone out, as best as many faithful could spread it. It is what it is and was what it was. What there is and was needs calling home, now.
Main thing, the preachers and "young folk's" ministers need to get out of the lives of the kids. When I was back the last time (high school now 80% Hispanic; there was one (1) who rode the bus back in '49, but there weren't but 34 in our graduating class) they had the really good looking girls signing "virgin till I marry" pledges, for chrissake. Hell, that was what we went to church for, partly, to make out, and the pentacostals + Church of Christ girls were the best. None of that nonsense now, I guess. We got to do bar mitzvahs every Friday night after eighth grade.
Hope this isn't maudlin. You struck a nerve. Put Land on his Rover -- out, with the Jews.
[B]JEWS OUT[/B]
2004-03-16 11:33 | User Profile
[quote=Texas Dissident]Hey Doctor! What about the Gospel? Sickening.
I'm sure Charles Haddon Spurgeon would say the same were he alive today.
The Christian Right is entirely indicative of what's wrong with American Christianity at the moment, and the SBC is one of its main pillars.
They have compromised the Gospel in the deluded hope that they can make America a Christian nation through politics rather than simply faithfully carrying out the Great Commission, while they waste time and resources supporting a corrupt, secular national Israel that is in no way related to Ezekiel 37-38.
That's not to give the homopervert liberal Protestants a pass either. Instead of practicing sound doctrine and evangelizing, they try to attack what they perceive as injustices in society with the humanist social gospel.
Both are the same error with different areas of focus: substituting a counterfeit gospel for God's Gospel.
2004-03-16 11:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I still have respect for men like Dr. Charles Stanley and to be fair, one is hard pressed to find any denomination not affected by the 'modernists' within it, but it strikes me that the SBC has become the theological right hand of the national GOP.[/QUOTE]
Why do you respect Dr. Stanley???
I am under the impression that he is just as bad a Zionist as Falwell (for example, and Falwell is a baptist also!)
Texas Dissident is this impression wrong???
2004-03-16 17:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FightinWhitey#2]Why do you respect Dr. Stanley???
I am under the impression that he is just as bad a Zionist as Falwell (for example, and Falwell is a baptist also!)
Texas Dissident is this impression wrong???[/QUOTE]
Outside of Land (who I think is a planted provacateur), I don't think many in the SBC come close to a Falwell or Hagee, for example. Falwell is an independent baptist, not SBC. But just because I may disagree with someone on some issue or another doesn't necessarily mean that I do not respect them as a man of character and integrity.
2004-03-16 18:32 | User Profile
Falwell is an independent baptist, not SBC.
[url]http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20020624.html[/url]
Dear Yahoo!:
What church is Reverend Jerry Falwell associated with?
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Dear Believer:
According to his official web site, Jerry Falwell is the executive pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia. He was the founding pastor of this church in 1956, when it had just 35 adult members. The church now boasts 22,000 members, thanks in large part to Falwell's television program The Old-Time Gospel Hour, which began airing shortly after the church was founded.
Falwell became a Baptist Christian in 1952 at Park Avenue Baptist Church in Lynchburg when he was 18 and a sophomore at Lynchburg College. He transferred to Baptist Bible College in Springfield, Missouri, to complete his education. He holds honorary doctorates from Tennessee Temple University and the California Graduate School of Theology.
The Thomas Road Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church, but it's listed on the web site of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). Falwell himself attended and voted at the SBC's annual meeting in 1998. The SBC is a loose organization of over 40,000 churches in the U.S. that generally share the same religious beliefs. However, SBC churches are self-governing and autonomous in their teachings and worship.
While Falwell preaches a deeply conservative brand of Christianity that makes him reviled among many groups (particularly gays and lesbians) and was the founder of the Moral Majority, some feel he isn't fundamentalist enough.
2004-03-16 18:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel][url]http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20020624.html[/url] The Thomas Road Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church, but it's listed on the web site of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). Falwell himself attended and voted at the SBC's annual meeting in 1998. [/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware of that, Centinel. Nevertheless, 30 years in the SBC and everybody I knew always considered Falwell an independent Baptist. I would put him in the same camp as Bob Jones or Pensacola Christian. Those folks tend to think the SBC churches are too worldly and liberal as they let their women wear pants and other such heresies.
2004-03-16 20:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I wasn't aware of that, Centinel. Nevertheless, 30 years in the SBC and everybody I knew always considered Falwell an independent Baptist. I would put him in the same camp as Bob Jones or Pensacola Christian. Those folks tend to think the SBC churches are too worldly and liberal as they let their women wear pants and other such heresies.[/QUOTE]
Well the Indy-Fundy Baptists don't consider Falwell one of their own either because of the way he schmoozes with ecumenists, politicians, and other groups too far to the left for the fundamentalist taste.
The vast number of articles that [url=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/falwellandrome.htm]David Cloud has produced about Falwell[/url] I'd say is typical of the fundy attitude towards him.
2004-03-17 05:22 | User Profile
Got your PM, but accidentally deleted it trying to connect with a reply. Is it on here? SOmetimes wish I wasn't puter-illiterate.
I saw that about the SBC in Iraq and wondered mightily along the same lines. I never could wholly accept that missionary streak (except for the Lottie Moon Christman offereing, of course), although I have known several personally who had it. Including closest cousin, who got sent to Vietnam and came home with so much guilt he lets them send him to Saudi Arabia AFTER RRETIREMENT .. until they kicked out old Uncle Sammy and him, too. We don't speak often anymore.
I didn't know what to make of them. What in hell could they be doing, and why doesn't news of who is doing what over there get out until some get killed?
I keenly followed what happened in Behawalpur, Pakistan, in the fall of '01, when a band of Protestants got gunned down (18 dead) inside a Catholic church when the regular congregation was, for some reason, not inside at the time, but scheduled for later. Then, Musharaf "cracks down on Islamic militants" to help Bush's boys -- aka CIA, Mosad, who knows? Then the Protestant enclave in Islamabad got hit, apparently not randomly, with loss of 10's of lives. I coined a saying: "Protestants take the fall, Jews and Catholics get the call."