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Thread ID: 12719 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2004-03-12
2004-03-12 17:43 | User Profile
What are your thoughts? It happened on 3/11, exactly 2.5 years after our so called 9/11 attack. I hear Al Qaida left behind an ample amount of clues, like they did on 9/11. The Spanish government is 100% involved in the Iraq war as Washington's lapdogs. Here, they completely ignore the will of the Spanish people who are 90% against the war efforts. There's an election coming up this weekend in Spain too. Strange timing, itz. Is the USA taking notes on what happens when terrorists attack right before an election?
2004-03-12 19:48 | User Profile
Looks more like Al Qaeda than the Basques. Remember Bushy slobbering over Aznar for "standing firm with America"? Spain, unlike America, also has a genuine Christian v. Muslim history.
2004-03-17 00:54 | User Profile
Perhaps the Spanish should return to basic principles and deny North Africans entry into their country.
What is required is a central and unified European leadership. A political and military 'powerhouse' that will eradicate, effectively, the enemies of the European nexus, rather than welcome such flotsam. It is unnatural that the weak rule. It is also dangerous.
Madrid is an indication of weakness. And the subsequent election of the Socialist Workers Party in Spain illustrates the cowardice of a pampered populace.
2004-03-17 04:05 | User Profile
no balls Balls were backed up by the Church centuries ago when the same occured. They had balls, they killed the invading Moors. Now there are no balls, and the Muslims have the balls. Sinking into sin, the Muslims look at our religion as weak. They worship a man who had sex with a 9 year old Europe has to drive them out.. Europe is what it is because it threw them out. Kill them they are full of hate and animals
2004-03-17 07:42 | User Profile
It's been fun to wach the war on terror. Yes, it's good to wach something other than the muslim invasion of Europe, and European woman for a change. All going down, the upper classes and our leaders are all messed up in drug abuse. They are totally unable to do anything to save themselves or the white world. Wach their obscene fumbling!
It's been said that muslim terrorists deal in heroin to finance their expansion, and Latino terrorists do a simular job using cocaine. And of course CIA helps them traffic this around in order to finance their own drug-induced hallusinating, ironical operations.
Bombing Iraq does not help the situation for Europe beeing overrun with maniacs either wanting to impose revenge on the Jewish cattle or beeing seduced by Hollywood movies into thinking that they'll find riches and happiness in the West, getteing angry when they find it is'ent so.
The good peoples of Spain knows this wery well. They have both immigrant and drug routes through their country. They see too many problems towering around their families, stopping them from sending their resources elsewhere.
The war on terror is not wrong, it's beeing fought on the wrong front. Israel is a pipe dream. God damn, would somebody please burn the Bible and chase these people away?! (The old testament that is!). If Israel is too insane to make peace with it's neighbours, fine! It's just pleasing to see that even Spain does'ent want anything to do with it anymore, the new socialist prime minister went out and said his country did'ent want anything to do with this war, a war that was based on lies. (!!!)
Even the socialists are daring to use their thinking ability, these days. Some even dare to speak aloud about it too. Where will this end? Is it reversable?
Will the great wizards in their coulorful Hollywood think-tank studios have an answer for this, or will they just respond by blowing another fat line up their croocked noses?
Something tells me they're all set on partying it all up, because there is no stopping the Chinese anyway..
2004-03-17 07:43 | User Profile
I think we should keep in mind that the Spanish, in pulling their troops out of Iraq, and really just recognizing the fact that there was never any connection (at least proved as required) between Saddam's Iraq and Bin Laden's Al Queda.
To fight Al Queda, why in the world would they waste their strength on Iraq?
That seems to be the position of the French and Germans as well. What in the world did the war on Iraq have to do with the war on terror, other than it played into Bin Laden's hands and placed us in a much more vulnerable position?
What am I missing?
Walter
2004-03-17 15:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Madrid is an indication of weakness. And the subsequent election of the Socialist Workers Party in Spain illustrates the cowardice of a pampered populace.[/QUOTE]
I don't see it that way, though I must admit that what little I know about it comes from...well...television.
If I have it right, something like 90% of the population was against participation in the Iraq war. The leaders ignored them, and suffered no consequences. After the bombing, seemingly the entire city took to the streets, saying "bring them ALL home, NOW!". That looked to me like a show of strength...and perhaps a threat.
If this was a false flag operation, it sure backfired. That may reduce the likelihood of a follow-up false attack in the US (follow-up to the false attacks at OKC and 9/11). However, if we're still in Iraq by November, Muslims will have a tremendous incentive to wage a similar attack prior to the elections, for the purpose of scaring the sheep away from further entanglement in Iraqi affairs.
Come to think of it, they'll have to do it much sooner than November, so as to allow an anti-war candidate time to distinguish himself. President Nader?
2004-03-17 15:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I think we should keep in mind that the Spanish, in pulling their troops out of Iraq, and really just recognizing the fact that there was never any connection (at least proved as required) between Saddam's Iraq and Bin Laden's Al Queda.
To fight Al Queda, why in the world would they waste their strength on Iraq?
That seems to be the position of the French and Germans as well. What in the world did the war on Iraq have to do with the war on terror, other than it played into Bin Laden's hands and placed us in a much more vulnerable position?
What am I missing?
Walter[/QUOTE]
Walter, what we're all missing (or not missing) is that our government is not in the hands of our own people, but in the hands of an alien race of fanatics who have no problem whatsoever to kill people, friends or foes, in order to achieve their political fantasies or world domination.
Writers like Raimondo, Joe Vialls, Brendan O'Neill among many, many others have asked hard questions about the motives employed by the neocons in fighting a "tactic" such as terrorism by attacking States, like Iraq, Afghanistan and in the future Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran, when, in fact, going into Iraq and the Middle East isn't about ending terrorism but about ensuring Israeli domination for the future New World Order.
As for Madrid, I'm already skeptical about how quickly the media trotted out Mr Al Q. Eada as the culprit for the bombings. The bombings weren't carried out by suicide bombers, which is certainly an Al Qaeda tactic, so we're left asking how 10 men boarded 2 different trains carrying huge duffle bags filled with explosives, and THEN JUST WALKED OFF THE TRAINS LEAVING THE BAGS BEHIND?? Not ONE person noticed this??? Aren't there surveillance cameras at train stops which might hold clues??
The Madrid bombings, a few days before a huge election, seems like it was planned to bring about the jingoistic fervor from Spaniards to INCREASE their support for Busharon's Mid East war. The thing is, Spanish people, and Europeans in general aren't as stupid as American-Faux-News-watching-robots. This CIA European psy-ops seems to have failed in it's objective, seeing that Socialist Zapetero is going to pull out of the Debacle of Death, aka the Iraq War. We'll see how long he will last in his position and we'll see soon if other countries in the "coalition" bail out of America's war on Islam.
2004-03-17 16:20 | User Profile
The Spanish leader lied about Iraq's WMDs. He lied about Spain having an interest in Iraq. And, then he lied about who was responsible for the train bombing. The Spanish people did something right in showing him the exit.
2004-03-18 00:48 | User Profile
The Madrid bombings took place exactly 911 days after 911. Coincidence ? Dennis Hastert and the Republicans can say that the Spanish election was lost to the socialists because the govt first blamed the Basques. Yea. OK. The election was already lost, because 85 % of Spaniards were against Spain being a part of the coalition. These Lucifer Moloch worshippers always plan things according to occult numerology. Henceforth you have 911 +911. I know the Muslims are threatening France, new letter threatening bombings for not being able to wear head dress in schools. Get balls, France, elect Le Pen and kick the parasites out. [url]http://www.realityradio1320.com[/url]
2004-03-18 01:16 | User Profile
There is an issue that must be addressed: is it considered correct, as some here may think, that an Islamic terrorist group can change the government of a European country? And thus install a useless socialist party that had no hope of winning the Spanish national election, on any issue, prior to the political murder of over 200 civilians?
I think not. Otherwise you accept the notion of terrorist ideals. And the terrorists are Islamic Fundamentalists that detest Europeans and Americans. Do not underestimate their hatred. And do not ignore their stated aims and objectives.
However, this is not simply about Iraq. Islamic infiltration into Europe and North America began long before the Iraqi conflict, and is an ongoing process. The 'herd' or the 'sheep' or the timid 'deer' may be unaware, or simply afraid, to confront the hatred directed against them. Others have the ability and the courage to face it - and attempt to deal with the threat.
The problem, as I consider it, among many Europeans and Americans alike, is that our soldiers are fighting and dying for the protection and continuation of the state of Israel - since Iraq was the deadliest enemy of Israel. This view is understandable and may be true.
But let us not fool ourselves - they hate Christians and non-believers alike. Their aim is 'convert or kill' the infidel. That means the European and American. And many more will be killed.
We should be united in our determination to remove that threat and those that bring it; eradicate it from Europe and America. Return it to - and - contain it within, its breeding grounds.
2004-03-18 07:19 | User Profile
[Mentzer][QUOTE]There is an issue that must be addressed: is it considered correct, as some here may think, that an Islamic terrorist group can change the government of a European country?[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm not even sure it was really an Islamic terror group. Bin Laden is a CIA creation, this is a matter of public record (we funded the hell out of his operation in Afghanistan when we were fighting the Soviets, and we had cozy talks with the Taliban as late as 1996). It wouldn't take much to imagine that he's still with the CIA, and since the CIA is controlled by the MOSSAD, that the whole Al Queda thing is a MOSSAD black flag operation.
It is interesting that he hasn't been caught or killed yet. One has to wonder how hard we're really trying. He's like the Emmanuel Goldstein character in Orwell's 1984. Goldstein lived on and on because the Party needed him as a focal point of all hatred. Bin Laden might be playing the same role. I'm not asserting that as fact, but merely suggesting it as one possible explanation to explain a number of incongruent facts, including his deep CIA connections and the fact that he's still at large.
[QUOTE]And thus install a useless socialist party that had no hope of winning the Spanish national election, on any issue, prior to the political murder of over 200 civilians?[/QUOTE]
The question here for the Spanish people is what connection the war in Iraq has with Al Queda terror. The simple answer is that there were no known connections between Saddam and Bin Laden, and indeed they seemed to despise and fear each other. Bin Laden didn't operate in Saddam's Iraq, but he operates there now.
I think that the Spanish are correct to ask why they should have troops involved in fighting a war in Iraq when it had naught to do with the terror threat at hand, and indeed only exacerbated the threat by creating the chaos that terrorists thrive on and making Spain an obvious target.
[QUOTE]I think not. Otherwise you accept the notion of terrorist ideals. And the terrorists are Islamic Fundamentalists that detest Europeans and Americans. Do not underestimate their hatred. And do not ignore their stated aims and objectives.[/QUOTE]
The Zionists are the real terrorists, always have been. Let's keep in mind who drew first blood here. Israel ejected Palestinians from their homes in 1948 and continues to oppress them to this day, with American funding. The United States stations troops in Arabia, and just waged an illegal war on Iraq for no good reason.
Bin Laden is saying "quit supporting Israel in its war on us, and get your troops out of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf, quit threatening war on Muslim countries." These are reasonable demands, IMHO.
All we need do is cut ties with Israel and get energy independent - we'll be freer, more prosperous, and safer for it.
[QUOTE]However, this is not simply about Iraq.[/QUOTE]
The war on terror has absolutely nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq.
[QUOTE]Islamic infiltration into Europe and North America began long before the Iraqi conflict, and is an ongoing process. The 'herd' or the 'sheep' or the timid 'deer' may be unaware, or simply afraid, to confront the hatred directed against them. Others have the ability and the courage to face it - and attempt to deal with the threat.[/QUOTE]
No argument here. We need to expel all Muslims from Christian lands. We should do it as gently as possible, cashing in the value of property, preventing mob action, and the like. But they must leave, no doubt.
And that's just for starters.
[QUOTE]The problem, as I consider it, among many Europeans and Americans alike, is that our soldiers are fighting and dying for the protection and continuation of the state of Israel - since Iraq was the deadliest enemy of Israel. This view is understandable and may be true.[/QUOTE]
No doubt about that, the war on Iraq is all about Israel. And oil, of course.
[QUOTE]But let us not fool ourselves - they hate Christians and non-believers alike. Their aim is 'convert or kill' the infidel. That means the European and American. And many more will be killed.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but let's also not fool ourselves about the Jews. They hate all non-Jews, especially Christians (which they believe is idolotry, while they accept Islam as non-idolotrous). Their aim is to "corrupt and enslave" us all, especially white people. And many more will be killed to keep Israel - that shittiest of all little countries - safe and well funded with our tax dollars.
[QUOTE]We should be united in our determination to remove that threat and those that bring it; eradicate it from Europe and America. Return it to - and - contain it within, its breeding grounds.[/QUOTE]
Fine. We can begin by pulling our Army out of the breeding ground, and then expelling the Muslims from Chrstian lands.
But in order to do any of that, we'll have to go through you-know-who.
Walter
2004-03-18 07:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]
It is interesting that he hasn't been caught or killed yet. One has to wonder how hard we're really trying. He's like the Emmanuel Goldstein character in Orwell's 1984. Goldstein lived on and on because the Party needed him as a focal point of all hatred. Bin Laden might be playing the same role. I'm not asserting that as fact, but merely suggesting it as one possible explanation to explain a number of incongruent facts, including his deep CIA connections and the fact that he's still at large.
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Great post Walter. I have to quote the remarks on Emmanuel Goldstein, as I've been saying much the same thing almost since the Towers came tumbling down. As usual, your remarks are spot on.
2004-03-18 09:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Great post Walter. I have to quote the remarks on Emmanuel Goldstein, as I've been saying much the same thing almost since the Towers came tumbling down. As usual, your remarks are spot on.[/QUOTE]
You are too kind, brother Roy.
Of course, I can't prove it, but it just reeks to me of covert action.
I think that the alleged perps were [URL=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37640]under surveillance[/URL], like the guys who are supposed to have pulled off 9-11, so that right there makes you wonder.
And let's all keep in mind that this is on the backdrop of all the white countries resolutely refusing to enforce their own borders, even as they are allegedly attacked by foreigners. If they were serious about fighting Islamic terrorism, they'd seal the borders and expel (at least all illegal) immigrants, especially Muslims. But they don't do that, so they clearly aren't serious about security, and one must wonder if in fact the people who make those decisions do it because they understand that there is no major Islamic terrorist threat outside their covert control.
One other incongruent fact to the whole 9-11 thing. If the matter was as asserted, then we at least had a SPACTACULAR intelligence failure. There's proof that these guys were being watched, and that indeed reports had been sent up the chain from the field offices to FBI HQ. So, if this were as it is supposed, one would expect all the players to have their heads on the block. Careers ended, whole bureacracies reorganized. But that's not what happened. Indeed, what did happen is just the opposite - they didn't get canned, rather they all got PROMOTED by means of greatly enhanced powers and vastly increased budgets. Judging by what happened, one cannot help but suspect that they got promoted because they SUCCEEDED in their real mission, it's just that we're not being told what that real mission is.
Walter
2004-03-18 17:28 | User Profile
Walter, excellent post. I put this same argument to the pro-war fanatics that I encounter on a daily basis. It's wasn't just yesterday that the West realized that Muslims within their respective borders might pose a problem someday, especially European countries who have 1000 years of history behind them fighting the Moors, Turks, Arabs, etc. No, it's OUR fault that Muslim fanatics are a threat nowadays because we let them into our lands in the first place and took an Israel-at-all-costs policy in their part of the world.....of course, the faux-news cattle could never understand this way of looking at things...... They say, it's immoral to not have immigration citing the jewish canard, "we're a nation of immigrants", but the lemminghood cannot see the quite disernible double-standard of Israel's Wall of Separation and America's open border to the worlds' refuse.
2004-03-19 03:08 | User Profile
I know, I'm getting tired of myself, too, but something just burst through 5 minutes ago pondering this thread that must be posted.
Assuming Walter's hypothesis. Then the choice of date, 3/11, to coincide with reported videotape reference to "exactly 2 1/2 years after 9/11" -- was a touch of audacious re-interpretation (the feeling-sensation was, before finding words) of the US event. It showed a pre-meditated, deliberate intent, by whoever placed it, to connect them indelibly in historical memory, in perpetruity; and, at the same time, to link the U.S. and Europe by a common enemy. If it is a secret service dark op, it could either be a "legitimate" identity -- same terrorists. OR it could be an entirely concocted event "backfilled" by the labelling and planting of evidence, to make it appear as if there were an identity. OR...BOTH! ..an event of such complex layering and dimensions that the various paths started up in conspiracy theorist's minds, like mine, with defuse, peter out, contradict, etc.
NOT THIS TIME! The criminal mind has left another, unintended clue, as in the anthrax poisoning leter, also linked to 9/11 by sign-use. X flagged it in the original post. It is the "Manchurian Candidate" sequencing of 9/11 -- 3/11 -- ? (6/11 he suggests is next panic button setting). This goes with the Book of Daniel mantra in the unconscious of Old Testament prophet readers ("It shall be sealed up for a time, times, and half a time." ) It also goes with the 9-3-6 triad of the Anneagram, inside the circle of 7/1 = .142857142857142etc ad inf (repeating the six integers, omitting 9-3-6 at the corners, making the fractions of 7 equal divisions.) These are very powerful associations. (Joderowsky, for instance, ends The Holy Mountiain by pushing over a large Anneagram as the last act in destroying spiritual idols.)
Who would be audacious enough to intervene so blatently in the year MMIV" It came to me what I had just downloaded from David Frum" "President Bush's political opponents ...are already audaciously reinterpreting the Spanish vote..." This is classic projection-reversal, as ego-defense against the specific accusation: split off from themselves ("WE don't audaciously reinterpret anything...") and "dumped", with displacement, with reversal, blaming would-be accusers ("...President Bush opponents audaciously...etc.) This may sound thin and far-fetched, at first, but it is actually iron clad and ultra important. Frum's language overlays, and "neutralizes" the thought, in Orwell's terms. Jonah Goldberg tags his comments "Links Galore", spinning the rapidly-assembled black--Al Quida linked perpetrators into...agents of Saddam Hussein (all militant "Islamofascists" are the same). And they will be linked, as all later recall by minds will dredge up whatever is associated with "the war on terror" anywhere and everywhere. Then, in light terror-trance, the public is given the post-hypnotic suggestion signal so the the calendar begins tracking down what they will control.
It happened. All linked.
2004-03-19 06:50 | User Profile
Thanks, X.
You know, all of this is really rather obvious upon a moment's reflection.
The fact that most people fail to see it at all is simply implausible. They MUST SEE IT because anybody who can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time has it sufficiently together to preclude the notion that they just don't get it.
And here our political prophet George Orwell comes in again. This is DOUBLETHINK on a mass scale. The ability to see and understand something while simultaneously driving the fact of this understanding from the conscious mind and holding instead quite the opposite position consciously. Orwell put it much better than that in 1984, but that's the basic idea. It's "mental cheating."
I modified this post to add this quote from Orwell's 1984:
[QUOTE]Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. [I]To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies -- all this is indispensably necessary.[/I] Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. Ultimately it is by means of doublethink that the Party has been able -- and may, for all we know, continue to be able for thousands of years -- to arrest the course of history.[/QUOTE]
This is what makes the Freepers so bloody dangerous, IMHO. They know in their heart of hearts that Shrub and his Jewish Neocons lie through their teeth, but they sign on to the program anyway. They mentally blink out of existence all the troubling facts surrounding the 9-11 attacks, detailed so well by Justin Raimondo and others. Think of the whole flap about Fox reporting that ALL AMERICAN TELEPHONE RECORDS ARE RUN OUT OF TEL AVIV and then having the story yanked from the airwaves and the internet stories deleted from Fox's website. Reflect on how they can forget about the Israeli "art students" and the Israelis caught filming 9-11 and slapping each other high fives. Consider how they can take limitless abuse from Jewish organizations about their most cherished Christian beliefs, and never consciously make the connection between Jewish control of the media and the War on their Culture. There's no mention of any of that on FR, and any reference to these facts are summarily confined to the memory hole.
This is the very stuff of Orwell's vision. They re-write the past, and blink memories out of existence. Yet, they can somehow call those facts back into existence if needed, and just so long as needed, and then let them go again.
The Freepers are dangerous, because they really do practice a sort of studied, even ingeuous stupidity.
[QUOTE]The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity. [/QUOTE] The question for me is "why would they do that?" What's the motivation for this unending contortion of reality?
As I've said before, I think that Freepers and their ilk understand the deeply Jewish identity of our own Inner Party, and they as Outer Party stalwarts are doing everything they can to suck up to them. They understand where the real power lies in this country, and they worship those who wield it.
Yet, they don't want to admit that they're in fact worshipping the powers of this world, and so they contort their thoughts into a pretzel called variously "Judeo-Christianity" and "Dispensationalism". Some even call it "Christian Zionism." But those are all clearly oxymorons, and so one can only conclude that Orwell's diagnosis of doublethink applies fully to them.
This virtual, doublethink version of our own political realities allows Freepers and their ilk to suck up to WORLDLY POWER while indulging in the noble FEELING of backing up the underdog against insurmountable odds!
They get to lick Sharon's boots like the lackeys they really are while feeling like Johnny Rambo.
Such a deal!
Walter
2004-03-20 04:17 | User Profile
Hello Walter Yannis,
I speak from a purely European perspective.
I acknowledge your interest in Orwell's 1984, a socialist writer and so on. Read by many, and I admit to having studied his books; and equally important to an understanding of his political belief - his letters. I have no further interest.
However this is 2004.
The terrorists responsible for the murders in Madrid are Islamic. It is clearly established. They were allowed onto European lands by fools. And thus the fools who allowed them, initially, to kill Europeans are reinstated into power by the stupid and fearful. The rodents that graze on the grass.
In a week when a Scottish, 15-year-old white lad in Glasgow was abducted, viciously beaten, and savagely stabbed to death, by a gang of Asian men - I allow no instruction regarding the enemies of my people. I allow no foolishness in deflecting blame. I allow nothing other than correct and deliberate retribution.
I make no other allowance.
Mentzer.
2004-03-23 06:45 | User Profile
One can but hope this will lead to the growth of Right-Wing Nationalist and anti-moorish groups in Spain.
[B]Moors Out!!!![/B] :gunsmilie :tank: :gunsmilie