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2004-03-02 04:40 | User Profile
Just relocated to California and was wondering how easy it is (or if its even possible) to get a concealed carry permit in this state?
2004-03-02 06:34 | User Profile
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California: Carrying without a permit: History Thursday, January 29, 2004 Change made by garyslid While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY. However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by several professionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton! Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), a few night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550
Non-Resident Police Officer Carry
12025. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when he or she does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(a) (1) (A) Any peace officer, listed in Section 830.1 or 830.2, or subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, whether active or honorably retired, other duly appointed peace officers, honorably retired peace officers listed in subdivision (c) of Section 830.5, other honorably retired peace officers who during the course and scope of their employment as peace officers were authorized to, and did, carry firearms, full-time paid peace officers of other states and the federal government who are carrying out official duties while in California,
Law Enforcement Carry Map
Friday, January 23, 2004 Change made by garyslid While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY. However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by several professionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton! Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), a few night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550
Non-Resident Police Officer Carry
12025. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when he or she does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(a) (1) (A) Any peace officer, listed in Section 830.1 or 830.2, or subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, whether active or honorably retired, other duly appointed peace officers, honorably retired peace officers listed in subdivision (c) of Section 830.5, other honorably retired peace officers who during the course and scope of their employment as peace officers were authorized to, and did, carry firearms, full-time paid peace officers of other states and the federal government who are carrying out official duties while in California,
Sunday, March 2, 2003 Change made by garyslid While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY. However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by several professionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton! Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), a few night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 Change made by mgawley While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area defacto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY. However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by several professionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton! Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), a few night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550
Monday, November 11, 2002 Change made by mgawley While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area defacto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY. However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by several professionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton! Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), a few night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550 Tuesday, November 5, 2002 Change made by mgawley While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area defacto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY. However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by several professionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton! Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), afew night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550 Unknown date (Original import prior to 1998) Change made by anonymous reader While CA has the classical old political CCW system (no right to carry except for politicians and celebrities -- e.g. anti-gun rights senators Boxer and Feinstein have permits) there are two things you should know. First: CA has a gray area defactoquasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY.However, the wise legislators kept a clear exception to cover all of their friends and relatives that carry illegally. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND you are not a gang member (yes, they have a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest then concealed carry is only a misdemeanor. This was explained to me by severalprofessionals and lawyers and I checked it out on the CA government web page. A typical fine is $200. Do not carry a knife or baton!Secondly, the country's safest city, Simi Valley has its own right to carry program. It requires a psychological evaluation ($250), afew night classes on the law and shooting and a shooting test. Total cost about $550
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2004-03-02 10:19 | User Profile
Hey thanks for the info Ponce.
I did some of my own research on [URL=http://www.packing.org/]packing.org[/URL] and found that the CCW laws vary [B]wildly[/B] from county to county. Some counties seem to have what are essentially shall-issue policies (as my home state of Oregon does) while other counties deny everyone (SF County with a grand total of 8 CCW permits).
As an example, here are notes provided on two different CA counties:
Alameda County Notes: The Alameda County Sheriff's Office is the issuing authority for all CCW permits in this East Bay county, which includes the cities of Oakland, Berkeley, Alameda, San Leandro, Fremont, and Hayward. Local PD's defer to the Sheriff for permit issuance. The requirements for a CCW are: 1) Residence in the county and being at least 21 years old; 2) "Good Character" as proved by a clean DOJ background check; and, 3) "Justification," as expressed in the application letter. The first 2 requirements are easily proven. The third is a bit vague and discretionary, but it seems that the Alameda Sheriff is more liberal than, say the SFPD in regards to what constitutes "justification." I would suggest you make the best case you can in this part of the application. Being a shop owner in Oakland, for example, seems adequate justification for the Alameda Sheriff. The SFPD doesn't seem to think so.
If you satisfy the 3 essential "prerequisites" for the CCW, you will be asked to submit the $175 fee for a 2-year resident CCW permit. You must then show evidence of having passed a firearms safety course. The NRA course is currently acceptable, but there are plans to require an 8-16 POST-type course. Then you must undergo a 4-hour psychological evaluation. You will be given the same psychological tests and psychological interview that are used to evaluate Sheriff's Deputy Recruits. (cost=$150). If you pass this, you will be scheduled for range qualification (current cost=$50), which you must pass with a range score of 75% or better, using the gun you will carry loaded with the ammo you will carry. Finally, you are required to carry $1 million in personal liability insurance. This can be obtained as a rider on your homeowner's policy at fairly reasonable cost (mine was about $50 more per year).
Alameda is pretty slow in issuing permits. Mine took about 7 months from start to finish. They will authorize one weapon on the permit. If you want to change weapons, you must range-qualify with the new gun. The CCW is valid throughout the state. There are commonsense restrictions, such as you can't carry while drinking alcohol or in an airport. The county has issued about 250 permits for about 2 million residents. The number of permits is relatively small probably because of the cost (about $400 for all the fees) and the hoops applicants have to jump through.
Mendocino County Notes: The County Sheriff is a member of the local gun club (Ukiah Gun Club), as is the County District Attorney, Norman Vroman. Coincidentally, DA Vroman is the designated instructor for the 16 hour CCW course required for issuance of a CCW.
The County Sheriff is a "strong advocate of providing law abiding citizens, (and) residents in this county, with CCW permits if there are no legally disqualifying reasons. He is realistically a 'shall issue' sheriff."
At a renewal/refresher course held this past July (2003), the instructor indicated that there were about 1,000 permit holders in Mendocino County (and rising).
2004-03-02 13:46 | User Profile
Yeah, in the rural counties of CA getting a conceal carry permit is not so hard.