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2004-02-29 08:45 | User Profile
[url=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2495&print=1]The Hispanic Challenge[/url] by Samuel P. Huntington
America was created by 17th- and 18th-century settlers who were overwhelmingly white, British, and Protestant. Their values, institutions, and culture provided the foundation for and shaped the development of the United States in the following centuries. They initially defined America in terms of race, ethnicity, culture, and religion. Then, in the 18th century, they also had to define America ideologically to justify independence from their home country, which was also white, British, and Protestant. Thomas Jefferson set forth this 'creed,' as Nobel Prize-winning economist Gunnar Myrdal called it, in the Declaration of Independence, and ever since, its principles have been reiterated by statesmen and espoused by the public as an essential component of U.S. identity.
2004-03-01 02:37 | User Profile
Well Tex, as you know the USA is going down the drain and AZTLAN is alive and doing very well thanks to uncle Bush. The white race is also almost gone and wont last no more than 100 years,,,,, there will be very few anglos left on Earth. All is part of evolution and nothing else. In the old days the Americanos were all over the place and in the futrure it will be the Chinese. If you have any kids I say this to you " teach them Mandarin Chinese and Spanish" they will love you for this.
2004-03-03 05:25 | User Profile
No, whites won't be gone in 100 years. But mestizos like Ponce might be. At least most of them. The only reason we are seeing such huge numbers of low IQ third worlders on this planet right now is because of white "charity". Charity that will come to a grinding halt much sooner than present oriented darkies think. Well, the few that can think. Once the inevitable collapse hits, as has been said dozens of times before, we'll see who can help themselves. Mestizos have never been able to much of anything right except lowbrow work and put their hands out for social services. Which puts them a bit above blacks, but not much. The Chinese are interested in running Asia, and barring some type of rapid, genetic shift in the make up of their grey matter, will continue to depend on (steal, etc.) Western innovations. They wish for the US to get of Asia. Not a bad thing.
When the flow of money (most of it stolen from whites anyway) stops, disease, warfare, gang warfare, tribal warfare, animals, starvation, disease, stupidity and so on will thin the herd of the brownies. This is fact. Picture any majority mestizo or Amerindian population (and for that matter, black) possessing the ability to sustain large numbers without the white man's magic, the white man's ju-ju they so despise because of jealousy. It's a fantasy. Just like Aztlan.
Mestizos are heavily into myth. They believe in Aztlan. A myth. They belive lies such as "hispanics" having won proportionally more CMH's than any other ethnic group (wrong - they are outpaced the Japanese, American Indians, and top of the heap goes to those darn Irish based on percentages of population, military participation, etc. - even with people like Clinton handing out "political" medals). No doubt more myths will pop up as we move toward the collapse. Myths to rival the b.s. slung at us during "Black History Month". Ponce should grab his spray can and hit a few walls like the rest of his ilk. Maybe he'll write something that in effect claims he's a Spaniard. Or he can come back here under another name and pat himself on the back.
Learn Spanish? The mestizos certainly haven't.
2004-03-03 06:51 | User Profile
Great response, RB. I was going to respond, but I was so angry when I read that post I figured I better not. Just wanted to add that it's funny how all "Hispanics" become White when it serves their purpose (kinda like jews), but When they need a gubbiment hand-out they all of sudden become oppressed minorities.
2004-03-03 16:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]Great response, RB. I was going to respond, but I was so angry when I read that post I figured I better not. Just wanted to add that it's funny how all "Hispanics" become White when it serves their purpose (kinda like jews), but When they need a gubbiment hand-out they all of sudden become oppressed minorities.[/QUOTE]
First someone calls me a Jew and now a mestizo? ayyyyyy mama, you guys ever seen a mestizo with blond hair and green eyes????? While what you guys say is partially true I can only talk for myself, on my fathers side we are pure Spaniard and on my mother's Irish. And about Aztlan, look what is going on in Texas, California and so on, and then tell me about it,,,,, by the way, I am against illegals. I saw what is going on in California, where I lived for 35 years, and that was one or the reasons why I left. As far as IQ goes mine is of 128 , not very high, but well above average. By the way, my English still sucks,,,,,, oive oive oive poor me, give me more money, lollllllll.
PS: Made my money as an inventor and had my own small company with 17 workers.
2004-03-03 19:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]First someone calls me a Jew and now a mestizo? ayyyyyy mama, you guys ever seen a mestizo with blond hair and green eyes????? While what you guys say is partially true I can only talk for myself, on my fathers side we are pure Spaniard and on my mother's Irish.[/QUOTE]
Spanish-Irish huh? Well, if that's really true, then you're White; not "Hispanic" or "Latino." Now Ponce, what I want you to do is, anytime you have to fill out a form that asks for your race, you check off "White." It's time for so-called "Latin" Americans of pure European-stock (however many there are left) to make a stand: renounce the ZOG-created psuedo-race labels "hispanic" and "latino" and say it loud, "I'm White and I'm proud!" It may mean you'll miss out on some goodies (such as affirmative action and other race-based preferences), but you'll feel better about yourself, for you'll be part of the greatest Race that ever walked the face of the Earth -- the White race! I have no problem accepting pure White Latin Americans into the White brotherhood -- provided they renounce the labels Hispanic and Latino.
(sorry, but no people with AmerIndian/Negroid/Asian blood allowed)
2004-03-03 20:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Mestizos are heavily into myth. They believe in Aztlan. A myth. They belive lies such as "hispanics" having won proportionally more CMH's than any other ethnic group (wrong - they are outpaced the Japanese, American Indians, and top of the heap goes to those darn Irish based on percentages of population, military participation, etc. - even with people like Clinton handing out "political" medals). [/QUOTE]Roy I have one question I want to see debated on a national level. If Mexicans are fleeing a truly rotten country (as I believe) where they are the majority, how do they expect this country to get better if they become an increasingly larger percentage of the American population?
I heard one say that if Whites fled California, we Mexicans would follow them to Oregon, Washington or British Columbia if need be. What say you?
2004-03-06 06:06 | User Profile
Edward, your remarks remind of the way most "aware" whites view the problem right now. We see Mexico, and know why it has the problems it does. Mexico is filled with Mexicans. It's already been shown that there is a correlation between IQ and things like poverty, crime, etc. Your average bean dipping taco bender creates the very type of "society" you'd expect from a group with such low average intelligence. The grass is greener on the white side.
Anyway, Edward, no one will bring up the question because EVERYONE knows the answer. Of course the Mexicans would try and "follow" whitey, as would the blacks. On some level they know they cannot make it on their own. By that I mean even at what we consider the poverty level. Whitey takes good care of those who don't take care of themselves. Of course, it's not really whitey's choice right now - by that I mean the average white, but that will eventually change. Once things collapse and are then sorted out, whites won't be worrying about being followed by a horde of turdskins with their hands out, and the turdskins will be too busy fighting and killing each other over grubs, dirty puddles of water, and SpeedQueen boxes they'll use as housing.
Ponce? Hey, on the net, one can make all manner of outrageous claims. That's part of the fun. Next week he will probably be the proud descendant of a dedicated SS man who saw the zhid menace for what is was, and is.
2004-03-06 08:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=edward gibbon]I have one question I want to see debated on a national level. If Mexicans are fleeing a truly rotten country (as I believe) where they are the majority, how do they expect this country to get better if they become an increasingly larger percentage of the American population?[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid the only answer you'll get that's "fit to print" is that exposure to our culture will magically transform uneducated, uneducable mexicans who have known nothing but corruption politicswise into clever, hardworking Americans who understand and love democracy. Only people who already have some racial awareness can see that it would be like trying to craft a fine Swiss watch from a block of clay--the raw material is not suitable, no matter how you shape and process it.
On the plus side, the more mestizos who come to live in my own city, the easier it becomes to explain this fact to white people. All it takes is a little negative experience for people to start listening, and we're getting plenty of that.
Drakmal
2004-03-06 14:06 | User Profile
I was born in Cuba therefore I am Latin. If I had been born in the USA then I would be an American of Latin descent....... Those of you who were born of the Aryan race did so by chance and not by choose therefore there is nothing to be proud off, however, you can say that you are "happy" to had been born from the Aryan race, that's different. I you guys were to trace your roots you would find out than maybe only about 5% of you are really descendants from the Aryan race. As far as making a "claim" I am what I am because that's what I am for I am the sailor man, and now I'll go home and eat my spinach
2004-03-06 14:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=edward gibbon] I have one question I want to see debated on a national level. If Mexicans are fleeing a truly rotten country (as I believe) where they are the majority, how do they expect this country to get better if they become an increasingly larger percentage of the American population?[/QUOTE]
The majority still doesn't believe it, any more than their (Southern) parents believed integration was a good thing. But they, like their parents, are afraid to do anything about it. Apparently it only takes a generation or two for the majority to accept these things, followed by a century of slavish penitance to their masters' brands of religion and patriotism. This is how we end up rabid mercenaries abroad and apologetic grovellers at home.
There won't be any great national debate. The decisions have already been made, and after a few grumblings from the individuals most immediately affected, MLK-style Christianity and Dubya-style (or Lincolnesque, if you prefer) patriotism will ostracize any periodic complainers.
2004-03-12 05:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I was born in Cuba therefore I am Latin. If I had been born in the USA then I would be an American of Latin descent....... [/QUOTE]
Well, I tried to help you. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.
From now on, I'll consider you a "mestizo." :yucky:
2004-03-12 07:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]Well, I tried to help you. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.
From now on, I'll consider you a "mestizo." :yucky:[/QUOTE]
You give me the "benefit", geeeeeee thanks God Kurt. I wonder then why when ever I go to a latin country and even to Cuba they always talk to me in English. Like I stated before, I am blond with green eyes,,,,,, even a Cuban can be white, for one thing my grandfathers, on both sides, were blonds. I am not bragging but facts are facts. While I would like to say that I am proud of what I am, I can't. I had nothing to do with it, only lucky. PS: I like you guys anyway for you are what your are and thats ok with me.
2004-03-12 07:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]Spanish-Irish huh? Well, if that's really true, then you're White; not "Hispanic" or "Latino." Now Ponce, what I want you to do is, anytime you have to fill out a form that asks for your race, you check off "White." It's time for so-called "Latin" Americans of pure European-stock (however many there are left) to make a stand: renounce the ZOG-created psuedo-race labels "hispanic" and "latino" and say it loud, "I'm White and I'm proud!"
Now technically there's no need for a white to denounce the label "hispanic". Read the census form - hispanic is a cultural category, not a racial category, so technically you can be a white, black hispanic, even I suppose oriental hispanic. People from Spain are listed as "white" racially and "hispanic" culturally.
Confused? So am I.
It may mean you'll miss out on some goodies (such as affirmative action and other race-based preferences), but you'll feel better about yourself, for you'll be part of the greatest Race that ever walked the face of the Earth -- the White race! I have no problem accepting pure White Latin Americans into the White brotherhood -- provided they renounce the labels Hispanic and Latino.
(sorry, but no people with AmerIndian/Negroid/Asian blood allowed) [/QUOTE]Actualy I don't think "hispanics" or "latino's" use these terms much about themselves anyway. It's the suckass whites who think they're being progressive.
Like he says, most Spanish people characterize themselves either by their country of origin for the non-whites (Mexican, Cuban, Guatamalan etc.) or as Spanish for the Whites, as Ponce does.
2004-03-12 09:03 | User Profile
That would be like me calling myself an Amurican, (ÃÂ la a fweeper). I'm European, as far as I'm concerned. If a person has 100% European ancestry than he's a Euro; if he has some non-White ancestry than he's a mestizo, or a mulatto, or whatever. My ancestry is not "United Statesian" ... it is European.
As I said before, Hispanics seem to want it both ways: they want to be both White, and an oppressed minority.
2004-03-13 01:35 | User Profile
This is my first post here. I would like to express my disagreement with what is written below. While I think it is quite possible that Anglos will become a dispossed, tiny minority in North American, this is by no means a done deal. True, you can't become a GOP Chairman or the like if you talk like Tom Tancredo, but you can still do well enough in life. And since it is only now that whites as a group are beginning to really think about race and immigration, there is hope that many more white nationalists will rise to Tancredo-level heights or beyond in the future.
We only have to look to Europe for signs of hope. There, long-liberal governments are getting serious about race not only in policy terms, but also in terms of the rhetoric they craft. The Continent has given up on its old dreams of multiculturalism, and is instead looking to make the best of what is recognized as a very bad situation.
Europe has long driven American thinking on race and justice. No doubt our more limited white racial power in N. America will hamper the transplant of European ideas somewhat, but at the same time, the American Right-realist strain will make up for many of these difficulties.
[QUOTE=Ruffin]The majority still doesn't believe it, any more than their (Southern) parents believed integration was a good thing. But they, like their parents, are afraid to do anything about it. Apparently it only takes a generation or two for the majority to accept these things, followed by a century of slavish penitance to their masters' brands of religion and patriotism. This is how we end up rabid mercenaries abroad and apologetic grovellers at home.
There won't be any great national debate. The decisions have already been made, and after a few grumblings from the individuals most immediately affected, MLK-style Christianity and Dubya-style (or Lincolnesque, if you prefer) patriotism will ostracize any periodic complainers.[/QUOTE]
2004-03-15 09:08 | User Profile
[Quote]As I said before, Hispanics seem to want it both ways: they want to be both White, and an oppressed minority.[/QUOTE]
The Hispanic/Latino question seems like a really hard one. It's true that it's only a cultural category, and Hispanic/Latino people can be of any race. I don't like that label. My origin is Spanish and Welsh, but the Spanish side from Mexico and immigrated to the U.S. I still think that label is really stupid. But it's the only option that white people give to "hispanics." It's the label forced down every hispanic's throat, whether they be mestizos, mulattos, or chinese descent, or white. It's like we're all left no choice. But there are people who just mooch off of the system, which just makes everyone else bad, but I know many who are against all of this labeling.
2004-03-15 18:45 | User Profile
Based on my rather extensive experience down here in Southeast Texas, 'Latin Americans' are some of the most skin-color conscious/prejudice people I know.
2004-03-15 21:18 | User Profile
Is Huntington a Jew? I heard that, not sure if it's true.
2004-03-16 03:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]That would be like me calling myself an Amurican, (ÃÂ la a fweeper). I'm European, as far as I'm concerned. If a person has 100% European ancestry than he's a Euro; if he has some non-White ancestry than he's a mestizo, or a mulatto, or whatever. My ancestry is not "United Statesian" ... it is European.
As I said before, Hispanics seem to want it both ways: they want to be both White, and an oppressed minority.[/QUOTE]
Lol Kurt, do I sound to you like a "opressed" minority? shhhhhh don't tell anyone but I am Irish-Spanish. Looks to me like you guys have some kind of complex about what you are, I suggest that you learn to be happy with what you are and keep on trucking.
2004-03-16 17:32 | User Profile
That's so beautiful. Just 'keep on trucking.'
As long one manages to truck right over sundry race-traitors and Diversecrats, I think that will work nicely.
[QUOTE=Ponce]Lol Kurt, do I sound to you like a "opressed" minority? shhhhhh don't tell anyone but I am Irish-Spanish. Looks to me like you guys have some kind of complex about what you are, I suggest that you learn to be happy with what you are and keep on trucking.[/QUOTE]
2004-03-17 02:19 | User Profile
There is a vast difference between Spanish and Mexican heritages. Mexicans are only [roughly] half-White and NOT European.
I would base any racial claims made by any Latin-type person on his family tree -- i.e. what does that tree say re: his race?
2004-03-17 03:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]This is my first post here. I would like to express my disagreement with what is written below. While I think it is quite possible that Anglos will become a dispossed, tiny minority in North American, this is by no means a done deal. True, you can't become a GOP Chairman or the like if you talk like Tom Tancredo, but you can still do well enough in life. And since it is only now that whites as a group are beginning to really think about race and immigration, there is hope that many more white nationalists will rise to Tancredo-level heights or beyond in the future.
We only have to look to Europe for signs of hope. There, long-liberal governments are getting serious about race not only in policy terms, but also in terms of the rhetoric they craft. The Continent has given up on its old dreams of multiculturalism, and is instead looking to make the best of what is recognized as a very bad situation.
Europe has long driven American thinking on race and justice. No doubt our more limited white racial power in N. America will hamper the transplant of European ideas somewhat, but at the same time, the American Right-realist strain will make up for many of these difficulties.[/QUOTE]
I hope you're right. American behaviour over the past two centuries leads me to cynicism, as does the example of Rome. We shall see.
2004-03-17 04:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]There is a vast difference between Spanish and Mexican heritages. Mexicans are only [roughly] half-White and NOT European.
I would base any racial claims made by any Latin-type person on his family tree -- i.e. what does that tree say re: his race?
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Only a small percentage of Mexicans are "white" or even "half" white. Over the last decade, the majority of turdskinned taco-bending animals crossing the border into CA have been Indians with nary a drop of white blood between them. Lower and lower IQ's coming in, higher and higher rates of crime and social program dependency. Heaven for the elites. A lowbrow, politically apathetic population happy to accept scraps.
2004-03-18 01:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Only a small percentage of Mexicans are "white" or even "half" white. Over the last decade, the majority of turdskinned taco-bending animals crossing the border into CA have been Indians with nary a drop of white blood between them. Lower and lower IQ's coming in, higher and higher rates of crime and social program dependency. Heaven for the elites. A lowbrow, politically apathetic population happy to accept scraps.[/QUOTE] you said right on bro. The natives of South America and the islands are only marginally more intelligent than Negro Africans. The influx of Spanish blood which occurred 400 years ago can only last so long, because it is no longer occuring. Watch some real Spanish or Portuguese television.. These people bear no resemblance at all to the " Hispanics ". As a matter of fact, real Spaniards talk a different language than the bastardized Spanish Hispanics speak. The delineation between the two is very clear and all you have to do is go to Puerto Rico to see the beautiful buildings built by the Spanish then compare them with what the natives built. No wonder why Colombus and Cortez called a spade a spade.
2004-03-18 07:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]you said right on bro. The natives of South America and the islands are only marginally more intelligent than Negro Africans. The influx of Spanish blood which occurred 400 years ago can only last so long, because it is no longer occuring. Watch some real Spanish or Portuguese television.. These people bear no resemblance at all to the " Hispanics ". As a matter of fact, real Spaniards talk a different language than the bastardized Spanish Hispanics speak. [/QUOTE]
You aren't kidding. Add to that first statement the populations of Central America and Mexico. Their low intelligence is just one element that will keep them from ever really succeeding. All the prattle about learning Spanish, hispanics running business, etc. is just that; meaningless prattle. How many of these people really succeed without govt. handouts, favoritism, etc.? Virtually none of the mestizo, Indian, black, and so on derived folks.
The infighting among the "hispanics" is funny to observe in L.A.. The few white Mexicans there are look down on the mestizos, as they should. But then all Mexicans look down on the Cubans, who turn around and seem to look down on everyone, starting with the Mexicans, and so on and so on. So much for unity. Yeah, maybe when it happens, they'll all get together. It'll make it easier to take 'em out.
Keep your powder dry. It's going to become a situation no one will believe. Until it's in their face.
2004-03-18 07:28 | User Profile
Lol Kurt, do I sound to you like a "opressed" minority? shhhhhh don't tell anyone but I am Irish-Spanish. Looks to me like you guys have some kind of complex about what you are, I suggest that you learn to be happy with what you are and keep on trucking.
Lol yourself, hyena. Look who's talking. You're the one who keeps bringing up the "fact" that's he's "Irish-Spanish" or "Spanish-Irish" or whatever it is. I was merely trying to recognize you as a fellow European (I'm of German-Irish-Welsh ancestry), but if you want to be a Latrino ... uh, I mean, Latino and/or Hispanic, hey whatever floats your boat, duuude.
[FONT=Arial Narrow]And I can assure you, this White, European-american will keep on trucking -- right over you and your ilk[/FONT].
2004-03-18 07:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]Only a small percentage of Mexicans are "white" or even "half" white.[/QUOTE]
Yes. The bloodlines of "Latin" America are hopelessly muddied. There are very, very few people of pure European ancestry down there (no matter what anyone says). But some people like to believe in that myth, at least when it suits their purposes. When a Latino is chatting with a White person, he can always trace his roots all the way back to Europe; when he's talking with an oppressed minority about how evil Whitey is, all of sudden he's a Mestizo. I really don't give a :dung: anymore. This will be me last post on this tiresome subject.
2004-03-20 18:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident][url=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2495&print=1]The Hispanic Challenge[/url] by Samuel P. Huntington[/QUOTE]
Posting Huntington's work on the GOPUSA forum got me banned. I think I like it here!
2004-03-21 07:46 | User Profile
Actually, I find that there are many white Mexicans, just not many of the ones who flock to this country. In Mexico they are very racist. It's always the white Mexicans who get the good jobs, and all of the money, that's why you see so many of the not so white Mexicans hopping the fence. In Mexican soap operas the stars are mainly the white ones. You do see the dark ones, but usually the white ones. In Mexico it's all a matter of them getting rid of their darker people, leaving the white ones in positions of power.
2004-03-22 01:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=averna]Actually, I find that there are many white Mexicans, just not many of the ones who flock to this country. In Mexico they are very racist. It's always the white Mexicans who get the good jobs, and all of the money, that's why you see so many of the not so white Mexicans hopping the fence. In Mexican soap operas the stars are mainly the white ones. You do see the dark ones, but usually the white ones. In Mexico it's all a matter of them getting rid of their darker people, leaving the white ones in positions of power.[/QUOTE]
The "white" Mexicans, the jewish Mexicans, and so on we see in govt. in Mexico and other latin American countries, are a small, very small percentage of the Mexican population - as are the stars of the "novelas" - some of whom aren't even Mexicans, but Venezuelans, Costa Ricans, etc., hired because they are simply better looking than the mestizos. They are also smarter. On average, a lot smarter. Living in L.A., I've been around mestizos since jr. h.s. - most are simply not that intelligent, hovering just above blacks. Their performance in academics, on the job, crime rates, you name it, show this to be true, never psychometric testing.
2004-03-22 05:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=averna]Actually, I find that there are many white Mexicans, just not many of the ones who flock to this country. In Mexico they are very racist. It's always the white Mexicans who get the good jobs, and all of the money, that's why you see so many of the not so white Mexicans hopping the fence. In Mexican soap operas the stars are mainly the white ones. You do see the dark ones, but usually the white ones. In Mexico it's all a matter of them getting rid of their darker people, leaving the white ones in positions of power.[/QUOTE]
We Latinos are going to conquer the USA, will make a little Mexico out of this country, will kick out all those who are white, we , we , we, lol.
Anyway, you guys blame those who come into the US for work for being illegal, and so do I, but,,,,,,, why don't blame more those who are really responsible for this mess? Uncle Sam, who else.....
If the US really wanted to stop them they could do it but they are needed for the low paying jobs that those of this country wont do, like fruit pickers and low paying jobs at the factories.
That was one of the reasons why I left California, besides the smog and the traffic, and that was the crime wave that now exist on account of the illegals.
2004-03-22 13:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Those of you who were born of the Aryan race did so by chance and not by choose therefore there is nothing to be proud off, however, you can say that you are "happy" to had been born from the Aryan race, that's different. [/QUOTE]
Anti-racists use this argument all the time--that to take pride in something it must be something you have chosen or accomplished yourself. I looked up the meaning of "proud": [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=proud[/url] and could find no such limitation within the definition.
Parents are often proud of their children and their children's accomplishments; though by definition they did not choose their children and did not perform the actions for which they are proud. By Ponce's definition you can only be proud of a child you adopted (that is, picked out yourself).
But how would choosing a race make that race worthy of pride? It wouldn't. The choosing has nothing to do with the pride felt. I choose my own clothes, food, etc yet I'm not made proud because of it. So instead of there must be a "quality" (just like the definition states) of the white race that makes it worthy of pride. And white racialists would say there is such a quality (or rather qualities) and thus their pride is justified.
2004-03-22 15:13 | User Profile
By saying "antiracist" you are calling me anti-white, how can that be when I am white? Also the parents are proud of their kids not because they are their kids but for what they are doing as their kids. Same way that many parents are not proud of their kids.
While I don't have the formal education that many of you in this chat have I do love to read, therefore,,,,, to read is to learn, to learn is to think, to think is to reason, and to reason is to decide,,,,, That's one of the reasons as to why I am so anti-Zionist, I have learned a lot about those people in the web, even the fact that they are hated by the Semitic Jews.
About "proud", I am proud of the money that I do have, not because I have it but because I earned it, as an inventor, with one of my inventions. If the money had come to me from my parents then there would be no reason for me to be proud of having that money.
2004-03-22 17:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]By saying "antiracist" you are calling me anti-white, how can that be when I am white? [/QUOTE]
I never called you anti-racist nor anti-white. I don't know you but I am familiar with your definition of pride which is an argument that anti-racists use.
If pride is a matter of accomplishment then your previous observation is wrong that one cannot be proud of being white because one did not choose their race. But choosing a race has nothing to do with an individual accomplishment unless you would be proud of yourself for choosing your race, still that's not the same as being proud of your race.
According to your parent/child illustration, one could be proud of their children by virtue of their children's accomplishments and their relationship to their children. Similarly, one could according to your second definition of "proud", be proud of the white race because of its achievements and their relationship to it and then take pride in that relationship (like being proud of one's parents).