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Thread ID: 12425 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2004-02-20
2004-02-20 15:26 | User Profile
We already knew Gibson's dad is that most evil kind of person, an anti-semitic holocaust denier. Mel himself has exposed himself as anti-semitic by downplaying the holocaust by mentioning that not everyone killed in WWII is a Jew.
Gibson is dodging taxes using a secret, antiquated, fringe church he started because he thinks there is a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the Roman Catholic church.
Gibson is a homophobe, too. His comments on homosexuals are so vile that Fox News could not print them.
The author neglects to inform us that Gibson was helping the Iraqis pull babies from ventilators in the 1991 invasion of Kuwait. Maybe Fox News is saving that for opening day of Gibson's new film.
[URL=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111979,00.html]link[/URL]
2004-02-20 16:09 | User Profile
This attack on Gibson by FOX is exactly what we need. Many, perhaps most people who still think FOX is fair and ballanced are at least nominal Christians. By FOX showing it's true neocon colors, we can perhaps speed up the process of peeling the not-so-bright away from FOX.
Did you see the Christian Zionist tabloid site "Worldnetdaily" today?
[url]http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37218[/url]
This can only play into our hands. The idea that Germans called Jews Christ Killers as the chucked them into ovens is so historically inaccurate that it will perhaps provoke more people into studying the lies and distortions of the Holocau$t industry.
2004-02-20 17:13 | User Profile
[COLOR=Red][I]Here's the article. One can visualize Mr. Evans' sneering condescension as he guilt-trips the gullible goyim about their, quote (doing that gesture with the fingers), christian america. Oy vey es mir. Just get a load of this first paragraph. Sounds very familiar...just like the various campus hate-crime hoaxes of recent times, where the perps were always the victims themselves.
This "Christian minister" (now I'm doing that finger thingy), born of a Jewish mother, fascinates me. Perhaps he believes in Christ. I think its a cheap disguise, whether or not he knows it. Clearly his instincts, rather than his beliefs guide his pen.
I think the tribe is right to fear whites. If we ever re-connect with our own tribal instincts, there's gonna be hell to pay. [/I] [/COLOR]
Posted: February 20, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Mike Evans é 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
[B]I am a Christian minister. My father was a Christian, my mother an Orthodox Jew. I was raised as a Christian, but still, I was physically attacked as a child in "Christian America." I was called a "Christ-killer" hundreds of times. I pushed my mother's grocery cart down the street while self-professing Christians threw eggs and tomatoes from their vehicles, and shouted obscenities ââ¬â including "Christ-killer" and "Jew-witch." I remember waking one morning to the words "Christ-killer" spray-painted on the front door.[/B]
Six months ago, Mel Gibson requested a meeting with approximately 30 Christian ministers to screen his latest film, "The Passion of the Christ." Following the screening, Mr. Gibson asked if we thought changes needed to be made to his film in light of accusations that the movie could be used to incite anti-Semitism.
I told Mel Gibson what my mother had told me. When I asked her, "Why am I being beat up for killing Christ?" my mother sat me down and told me the story of her grandfather. He was a rabbi. Russian Orthodox Christians burned him and his entire congregation to death inside the synagogue. [B]She said to me, "They did it while screaming, 'You crucified Christ, you Christ-killers.'"[/B]
[B]I can still see the pain in her eyes as she told me of loved ones who were thrown into the ovens of Auschwitz. "The last words many of them heard," she said, "were 'Christ-killers.'" Her last words to me that day were, "Christians hate Jews. They believe that we murdered the Son of God. The pope, Billy Graham and Adolf Hitler are all Christians." [/B]
Mr. Gibson was deeply moved and hung his head. He said, "What can I do?" I replied, "Mr. Gibson, put a postscript at the end of the movie so that when it is shown in anti-Semitic countries, it will be difficult for anti-Semites to use this movie for their evil purposes." I humbly suggested to him that at the end of the movie, he put the following: "During the Roman occupation, one-quarter million Jews were crucified by the Romans, but only One rose from the dead."
Mel Gibson said excitedly, "This is Good! I needed something anyway, and this is it. I'll do it. I'll do it."
I can't express the joy to know that this would be the first Passion movie in history to be used as a vehicle to fight, not feed, anti-Semitism.
As a Christian, I fully understand the theology that Christ gave His life, and no man took it, but as a Jew, I also understand the fear created by the expression "Christ-killer" ââ¬â the No. 1 expression Jews have heard throughout history ââ¬â during the pogroms, the Inquisition, the Crusades and the Holocaust. Presently, Jews are still experiencing "Ash Wednesdays."
During the dark side of the days of the Holocaust, the Protestant church refused to unite as one against Hitler. Quite the contrary, a large percentage of the Church supported him, as was stated by Dr. Oswald J. Smith, pastor of Peoples Church in Toronto, who wrote: "What, you ask, is the real attitude of the German people toward Hitler? There is but one answer. They love him. Yes, from the highest to the lowest, children and parents, old and young alike ââ¬â they love their new leader."
As chairman of the board of the Corrie ten Boom Foundation, I want to encourage everyone to see this film. (Dr. Billy Graham memorialized the ten Boom family in the film, "The Hiding Place." Most of the elders in the family gave their lives for saving almost 800 Jews during the Holocaust.)
[B]Christians are called upon to comfort the Jewish people[/B], and to show compassion, not controversy. The fears of the Jewish people are just as real as the fear Americans faced on Sept. 11 as the poison of prejudice belched like black, apocalyptic smoke through the streets of New York City.
Instead of demonizing, degrading or patronizing the Jewish people, [B]I truly believe that Christians need to ask forgiveness for the terrible sins committed against them throughout history in the name of Christ.[/B]
If the object is for the Jewish people to harden their hearts to the message of Christ, then "The Passion of the Christ" will be 100 percent successful, if this controversy continues.
The movie will be released on Ash Wednesday, Feb. 25, and Mr. Gibson still has not included the postscript to which he committed on Aug. 19, 2003, in Dallas, Texas, at AMS Productions.
I am not concerned about the movie in the United States. Evangelical Christians are not anti-Semites. My fear is that he will not include this line in the overseas release. For that reason, the Corrie ten Boom Christian Holocaust Center has launched a website asking 1 million Christians to write Mr. Gibson to thank him for the movie, to commit to pray for Mr. Gibson and the Jewish people, and to appeal to him to include this simple postscript. [B]Millions of Jews living in the midst of a sea of bigotry could then know that Christians ââ¬â real Christians ââ¬â do not hate Jews, but rather love them.[/B]
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Michael D. Evans is the chairman of the board of the Corrie ten Boom Foundation in Haarlem, Holland. The foundation combats anti-Semitism. Most of the ten Boom family died fighting anti-Semitism during the Holocaust. Dr. Billy Graham produced a movie on their story, "The Hiding Place." Evans is also the author of "Beyond Iraq: The Next Move," an Amazon No. 2 and a New York Times best-seller, and founder of Americaââ¬â¢s largest Christian coalition praying for the peace of Jerusalem, Jerusalem Prayer Team.org, including Joseph Farah, Jerry Falwell, Tim LaHaye, Pat Robertson, Kay Arthur, John Maxwell and over 300 national leaders on the board of governors.
2004-02-20 17:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Marlowe]Order Mike Evans new book, "Beyond Iraq" ââ¬â which ties the recent war to Bible prophecy ââ¬â at WorldNetDaily's online store.
Note: Purchasing "Beyond Iraq" also qualifies you to receive a FREE 3-month trial subscription to our immensely popular monthly print magazine, Whistleblower. Watch for the FREE offer during checkout.
Michael D. Evans is the chairman of the board of the Corrie ten Boom Foundation in Haarlem, Holland. The foundation combats anti-Semitism. Most of the ten Boom family died fighting anti-Semitism during the Holocaust. Dr. Billy Graham produced a movie on their story, "The Hiding Place." Evans is also the author of "Beyond Iraq: The Next Move," an Amazon No. 2 and a New York Times best-seller, and founder of Americaââ¬â¢s largest Christian coalition praying for the peace of Jerusalem, Jerusalem Prayer Team.org, including Joseph Farah, Jerry Falwell, Tim LaHaye, Pat Robertson, Kay Arthur, John Maxwell and over 300 national leaders on the board of governors.[/QUOTE]
Many Southern Baptists support the Corrie ten Boom nonsense- including my own well-intentioned folks, sad to say. The message is pervasive, always being hammered into them: "Forget that little slipup with that Jaysus fella, you Xtians murdered us in the ovens! What's a little crucifying against millions of lampshades and bars of soap?"
As for this guy's motivations, all one has to do to understand is read the blurb on his book. I originally read his comments elsewhere, without without the foundation information or the ethnic-Jew information being included. At that point, it sounded very fishy; Gibson's reactions and the supposedly verbatim quotations just didn't ring true. I thought maybe it was just some self-aggrandizing minister. Then I saw another article which included Evan's foundation attachments, and I started to wonder if maybe this guy had ulterior motives- and if maybe he was not only stretching the truth but perhaps outright lying. The circle is complete with the information about his mother and the claims about the ovens- the guy comes across as a pathological liar on an ideological mission. The Big Lie, Version 2.infinity.
But the dispensationalists will no doubt read this, and start to have their doubts about Gibson's movie. Guilt is a powerful inhibiter, especially among the disp/fundie crowd.
2004-02-20 21:55 | User Profile
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[B] I am a Christian minister. My father was a Christian, my mother an Orthodox Jew. I was raised as a Christian, but still, I was physically attacked as a child in "Christian America." I was called a "Christ-killer" hundreds of times. I pushed my mother's grocery cart down the street while self-professing Christians threw eggs and tomatoes from their vehicles, and shouted obscenities ââ¬â including "Christ-killer" and "Jew-witch." I remember waking one morning to the words "Christ-killer" spray-painted on the front door.
I told Mel Gibson what my mother had told me. When I asked her, "Why am I being beat up for killing Christ?" my mother sat me down and told me the story of her grandfather. He was a rabbi. Russian Orthodox Christians burned him and his entire congregation to death inside the synagogue.She said to me, "They did it while screaming, 'You crucified Christ, you Christ-killers.'"
I can still see the pain in her eyes as she told me of loved ones who were thrown into the ovens of Auschwitz. "The last words many of them heard," she said, "were 'Christ-killers.'" Her last words to me that day were, "Christians hate Jews. They believe that we murdered the Son of God. The pope, Billy Graham and Adolf Hitler are all Christians." [/B]
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He, he, he... Every jew repeats these laughable canards. But this one really has chutzpa!
2004-02-20 22:21 | User Profile
Yes, that's the one that jumped out at me. Guess who put the corpses into the muffles at Auschwitz? I can just see Jewish Sonderkommando workers calling dead Jews "Christ killers". What a loser.
2004-02-21 05:06 | User Profile
Great find, Marlowe. It's only been a few weeks since this Evans character thrust himself into the public eye with his suggested post-[I]Passion[/I] disclaimer. I ran several google searches, but I could not find any evidence that he actually has a congregation in Dallas.
Now it turns out that he's not a traitor; he's a genuine Jew.
Somehow that makes me feel better.
2004-02-21 05:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I was called a "Christ-killer" hundreds of times. I pushed my mother's grocery cart down the street while self-professing Christians threw eggs and tomatoes from their vehicles, and shouted obscenities ââ¬â including "Christ-killer" and "Jew-witch." I remember waking one morning to the words "Christ-killer" spray-painted on the front door. [/QUOTE] The Jewish ability to convince themselves of [I]anything[/I] is astonishing. I remember the first time I witnessed this phenomenon. I was dating a Jewish girl in my law school class, and she had gone to the top high school in Atlanta with the daughter of Mack Robinson (a perennial Forbes 400 qualifier). So one day, Mack's daughter told me about her experience in surviving a plane crash in her father's plane. My Jewish girlfriend was there to hear the conversation. Months later, when we were to take our first flight together, she confessed her fear of flying due to her having been in a plane crash. But her story was just a repeat of her friend's story, with herself substituted in her friend's place.
2004-02-21 07:37 | User Profile
Instead of demonizing, degrading or patronizing the Jewish people, I truly believe that Christians need to ask forgiveness for the terrible sins committed against them throughout history in the name of Christ.
One fine day it'll be jewscum like this bastard who'll be the ones begging in vain for forgiveness from rope & gun toting White men.
Mark it down, "reverend".
2004-02-22 22:29 | User Profile
The Jewish ability to convince themselves of anything is astonishing.
"It's not a lie if you believe it."
2004-02-24 16:47 | User Profile
That was absolutely totally outrageous. Sadly, a bunch of dipshit women are probably reading that right now and are crying about the horrible suffering of the Jews.
[QUOTE=Oliver Cromwell]This attack on Gibson by FOX is exactly what we need. Many, perhaps most people who still think FOX is fair and ballanced are at least nominal Christians. By FOX showing it's true neocon colors, we can perhaps speed up the process of peeling the not-so-bright away from FOX.
Did you see the Christian Zionist tabloid site "Worldnetdaily" today?
[url]http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37218[/url]
This can only play into our hands. The idea that Germans called Jews Christ Killers as the chucked them into ovens is so historically inaccurate that it will perhaps provoke more people into studying the lies and distortions of the Holocau$t industry.[/QUOTE]
2004-02-24 16:49 | User Profile
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2004-02-24 21:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Mack's daughter told me about her experience in surviving a plane crash in her father's plane. My Jewish girlfriend was there to hear the conversation. Months later, when we were to take our first flight together, she confessed her fear of flying due to her having been in a plane crash. But her story was just a repeat of her friend's story, with herself substituted in her friend's place.[/QUOTE]
It sounds crazy, but I've experienced this phenomenon with them many, many times. You'd be surprised how far some of them go with this habit of [I]recording, remembering and replacing;[/I] and all that's required is a complete absence of shame, which is practically coded in the Jewish genome.
2004-02-25 17:56 | User Profile
Now I'm confused. The nazis killed Jews because they were "Christ killers"? I thought the Nazis were pagans? Or atheists? Or Satanists? Or whatever the story is today? Now they're "Christians" after all?
And to think OD people have been fighting over the Nazi vs. Christian thing needlessly.
All that wasted bandwidth.