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Thread ID: 12419 | Posts: 26 | Started: 2004-02-20
2004-02-20 03:20 | User Profile
Completely unrelated to his OD cameo appearances today is this Alex Linder reader-mail response on today's page. That Reader Mail page is VNN's MVP, btw: while the spintros amuse and the forum appalls, the mailbag always manages to inform, "Southron" excepted of course. Some of Alex's best writing - like the following short comment - can be found there as well.
[QUOTE]Subject:
more pollyanna horses*it from lewpus...
[I]If you like The Passion, and you like Mel's vision in having seen a need where others did not, and the saga of the film and all the obstacles inspire you, remember that none of this would be possible without the institutions of the market economy. To make a movie like this requires more than a good story and courage. It also requires private property, market exchange, investment capital, flexible wages, distribution networks, discretionary income, freedom of association, and sophisticated financial systems to keep track of it.[/I]
[COLOR=Magenta]Ed. Note: This has got to be in the running for the stupidest most fact-backward paragraph of the year. The only way Gibson was able to make the movie was that he had $30 million dollars in his pocket going in! Otherwise the MARKET I SAM would not have made the movie! The market did everything it possibly could to prevent his making the movie and to suppress it once made. Gutless Lewpus carefully averts his free eyes from the jewish market distorters who are the real story here onto the simple fable of a young boy with a dream. Well, a young boy with a dream, or a grown man with THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS. The people, contrary to Mr. Lewpus are DENIED what they want every day of the year by this fabulous abstraction, "the market." The inability of the market to deliver the goods is what's truly remarkable -- the way it is completely distorted by racial politics. I mean, I live in the "land of the free" and I can't buy a single newspaper off the newsstand that doesn't say exactly the same thing. You tell me how fu**ing great the market is, I sure don't see it. The stuff that matters isn't free in the slightest. It's completely controlled. When it comes to ANYTHING touching even remotely on the powers that actually shape the market -- political, not economic -- almost nothing real can be supplied no matter how strong the demand. Screw the invisible hand. Lewpus ought to be writing about the all-too-visible jewish nose everywhere sniffing for dissent to sneeze on[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]
2004-02-20 05:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE]LINDER: I mean, I live in the "land of the free" and I can't buy a single newspaper off the newsstand that doesn't say exactly the same thing. You tell me how fu**ing great the market is, I sure don't see it. The stuff that matters isn't free in the slightest....Screw the invisible hand. [/QUOTE]
Yep. Spoken like a man who really DID just declare bankruptcy. :yes:
-Jay
2004-02-20 06:59 | User Profile
I expected a little better of you than tired ad-hominems, Jay.
2004-02-20 08:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Yep. Spoken like a man who really DID just declare bankruptcy. :yes:
-Jay[/QUOTE]Why the obsession with bankruptcy, Jay? Just curious. Although I have no experience with such things, it seems clear that there are many ways to become bankrupt, not all of which are dishonorable.
2004-02-20 08:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Some of Alex's best writing - like the following short comment - can be found there as well.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, informative and definitive gems like the following tell us all we need to know:
Oy! The light I've seen. You should see from such light. Blind was I struck! I'm renaming myself Palex, and resigning my lofty commission that I might venture out among the dusky heathen to spread the Good News of His Coming! ... Now, all seriousness aside, do you not see in yourself the ur-Christian motivation? Admit it: you'd a thousand times more get off on me burning in Hell than you reaping rewards in Heaven? that is the heart of the Christian appeal, and always was. And don't pull out any b.s. about how it isn't because whenever they do surveys, they always find that every one of the jew-cocksmoking li'l budgers thinks it is going to Heaven, tho itz own book say the gate is narrow and the way strewn with doggie piles. Schadenfreude, not Science and Health, is the Key to the Scriptures, with no apologies to Mary Baker Glover Patterson Eddy. Thatz an in-joke for the C.S. in the crowd! Christianity is like gum on the sidewalk that isn't content to just sit there, like Family Circle at the bottom of the page, waiting to suck!, waiting for an innocent shoe to happen by, but like a tick must scrinch up and hoist itself bubble over bubble to a promontory from which it can spring onto hapless bystroller. You're like C.S. Lewis and Jesus - whether I the jury want to play your nasty little board game doesn't matter! I'm included in whether I like it or not, like a public shmuel fundraiser. Hey, groovy, you've got yr joltin' Jesus, I'm happy for you. Leave me out of and apart from your infernal didactic Dudisticism. As for "those who have heard the gospel and reject it...are considerably worse off." Again, who do you think you're scaring with that face? You're like a first-grader running around with a Halloween costume. See, the difference between a man like me and stupid christian pukes is that when I spread the bad news, I can point to actual examples proving my point. I CAN BACK UP WHAT I SAY. When I say, yeah verily, thou foolish liberal, thou hearest not mine evangel of loosed-nigger depredation, yeah it shall return unto you the robbings and murderings and rapings, fourfold and twenty. I can demonstrate. Christians can only threaten. And glower. And deny any room outside their jesusphere. It worked too...back before books. You really are crazy if you think the Nips are worse off for no Christ. In fact they're a standing refutation of the idea a society needs Christ the Kike in any way, shape or form. You say: Jesus Christ is a "offer you can't refuse"... Why can't I? In fact, I can. I do. The higher you move up the mental ladder, the less appeal Christianity holds. Itz a nitwit bewitcher. I doubt one Christian in a thousand has the mental equipment to judge what he's hearing. He just does it because he was taught to by his parents. Trace 'em back, ultimately, someone was threatened with death if they didn't go along, and since they didn't give a shit, they did. Yawn. If it wasn't Christ the Crutch, it would be some other sewage, so it's hardly worth getting upset about. The jews didn't corrupt and emasculate us, they misled us with lies -- they worked our gullibility more than our cowardice. They worked slowly and stealthily, and their aims and the results became apparent only slowly, by degree. And now we are waking up to what they've done, and it will go hard for them. As for the delicious gooks, hey, I'm not doubting christianity is marginally better than eating your dead grandma in a hearty bouillabase, but that's gook business, and those slant-eyed never were much for originality, were they? Perhaps one day when they're inundated with the greeks and slaves and jews and persians they'll catch on to the flaw. Confucianism may be bad, but christianity is fatal. Hey, but what do mere nations and societies matter against the Individual Soul? The whole is less than the sum of its parts. Does that make sense? To the solipsist, or libertarian, it does. BTW, you ought to clue in on just how jewed out Sweden's media really are. It's only partly a matter of individual character. The indoctrination forces arrayed against the average man are so much larger than anything historically known their influence cannot be dismissed with some gibe about Norman Bates. Nothing funny has ever come out of China. Yeah, sure, I'm ignorant of a thousand things, but I've never seen a single joke thought up by a Chinese. Where's the Chinese book that is 1/1000th as witty and funny as Schopenhauer or Nietzsche or Wilde? It doesn't exist. Orientals aren't bad and dangerous like niggers, at least the good gooks, they're just not interesting. Let them stay on their islands away from our country. We don't need them invading the U.S., which they most certainly are. As for the Amish, they're humans only in a reduced sense. They receive far less than their fair share of criticism. They survive only because no one with power is pissed at them yet. Now, I wouldn't do anything to them, even if I could, because they're an interesting kind of oddity. But as a personal view, I think they're less than fully human because the nature of man is to use his wings. These suckers have cut theirs off knowing they had them! They've, in essence, made animals of themselves. I want to see where the race is going -- that's the White spirit. Not inbreeding until my great-great grandkids are too cross-eyed to see the horse ass in front of them. Hey, if sheer numbers are where it's at, then ants and termites and bacteria have us beat. Whites reproduced in huge numbers in earlier centuries for reasons which have now faded. Yes, birth control and consumerism have reduced the birth rate more than was probably good, but in any case, there is not room for unlimited numbers of people to have ten-kid families. The Catholics say otherwise, but that's because the births serve their church, and they don't believe places like Bangladesh really exist. Catholicism has a lot of true tangled up with a lot of false. Just because Malthus or Ehrlich made some false predictions does not mean that something like carrying capacity does not exist. The essential Catholic position as best I can make out is that overpopulation is theoretically impossible. I regard that as stupid. People vary in quality. This variance tracks with groups. There can be too many people. The individual soul is not everything. The racial-national context that produces the environment in which the soul is brought into existence and in which it can thrive is more important than any single individual. The Catholic lies that each soul is equally unique and valuable and brought into corporeal existence by a god who will or will not provide for it depending on His fruity whim. F*ck God, I'll take my chances on me. I have a somewhat better track record, although that's not saying much. The only good thing about the Amish is that, if they don't turn into the human equivalent of plein-air cave salamanders, at some point someone can crack into their wacko community and salvage a few humans from 'em. God cause AIDS, eh? What are you, the world's only Finnish nigger? Do you keep a muti bowl full o' kid dicks locked away under your sauna bench to warble sacerdotal mumbo jumbo over while the rocks steam? Huge families go great with no-money, big-farm life. They go really shittily with high-tax, no-room suburban and city life. Conditions change, Whites adapt. Niggers and mexes breed because they're not capable of doing anything else and they're content living muddily as muds in the mud alongside mudlings. Whites have smaller families today, just as they had larger families back then, because they can...think. So much of Catholicism starts off good, but ends up bad. "Just wage" theory starts out as legitimate concern, ends up sniveling socialism. Children-over-money turns into Bangladesh on the Mississippi. Moral law turns into nor-jew-nor-greek-nor-nigger. Biology exists. Perhaps it can't force an apology out of the jew-fellating pope, but then it doesn't need to. It just makes its way, quietly and implacably as ever. Are there consequences of personal actions that are predictable enough to reasonably be described as moral laws? Yes. Are there consequences of races mixed together that are predictable enough to be described as biological laws? Yes. Does the Church admit the first and deny the second? Yes. Am I the thoughtful White man compelled to follow the church because it says I'll damn my soul to perdition for disobeying its moral teachings, even if these contradict proven biological law? Fuuuuuuuck No. The guy who built St. Peter's may or may not have been a Christian, but he was certainly an engineer. Stand with the church when it stands with reality, give it a flying kick in the buttress when it departs.
Lunacy (noun) : wild foolishness : extravagant folly Lunatic (adjective) : wildly foolish Lunatic fringe (noun) : the members of a usually political or social movement espousing extreme, eccentric, or fanatical views
2004-02-20 09:49 | User Profile
[B]sat÷ire/B 1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn 2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly
from Bierce: [B]im÷pi÷e÷ty[/B], n. Your irreverence toward my deity.
Maybe the problem with Linder is that his detractors continue to judge him by the 1965 yardstick of a Russell Kirk or a Revilo Oliver, and find him sorely wanting, when he's much more fairly assessed as an openly-racialist Michael O'Donoghue or Jim Goad....a viciously uncompromising (and wholly contemporary) social satirist who feels as justified making his point with a meat cleaver as with a marking pen. When your nine-year-old comes home from school in a belly-shirt with the word SEXY emblazoned in glitter lettering on the front, and she tells you that today in school she learned that an African-American invented the refrigerator and the internal combustion engine, oh and by the way what does "fisting" mean?, maybe you need a voice a little more foul-mouthed and strident than James Burnham's in your ear to wake you up.
I think that rant above is Alex on autopilot by now - who can't understand his frustration at trying to talk objective reality to snake-handlers? He needs to let it go, though. I've come to believe that for the vast majority of humans on this earth, an irrational belief in omnipotent deities is like a microthin membrane lining that cushions the brain, protecting it from breakdown, collapse and utter raving lunacy. But sheep are there to be [I]fleeced[/I], and Alex's approach is yielding neither sweaters nor souvlaki-fixings from the holy rollers....he's simply [I]alienating [/I] them instead.
That's why you have to respect a Hagee or a Falwell...they know how it works and they don't allow outsiders' disapproval of them to interrupt their wool-clipping for a moment. They know that you don't frighten the flock, you fleece the dears for your own ends; believe me, they're happier as pawns in thrall to another anyway. As Ned Flanders so aptly put it, "Well [B]I [/B] say there are things we [I]don't [/I] wanna know...important things!"
We've got one Linder already and he [I]definitely [/I] ain't one-size-fits-all; what we need right now is a new Father Coughlin, or a brownshirt Billy Sunday, to get the faithful baa'ing in the right direction.
2004-02-20 10:00 | User Profile
Jim Goad oui!
The Redneck Manifesto was magnificent.
2004-02-20 13:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar]Jim Goad oui!
The Redneck Manifesto was magnificent.[/QUOTE]
I agree. But his next book sucked the big one. Total waste of time and money, forget it.
Maybe Goad's one of those one trick ponies?
Walter
2004-02-20 13:41 | User Profile
Jail definitely did not aid his career trajectory. Oh, it gave him hip-cred with boobs, all right, but in every other way it retarded his progress. Having to endure his 1001 rhetorical savagings of his ex-girlfriend all the #$!&@% time was one thing, but witnessing him reflexively dump on poor dead [I]Debbie [/I] was unutterably ghastly. Particularly if you originally discovered him in ANSWER ME!
2004-02-20 14:19 | User Profile
Linder is a passionate writer and in desperate times like these, where the jewish agenda permeates ALL things, Linder will offend many many folks. Oh well, I say. Let those who have eyes to see, see, and those who have ears to hear, hear. I hear you Alex de Large.
2004-02-20 17:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Linder is a passionate writer and in desperate times like these, where the jewish agenda permeates ALL things, Linder will offend many many folks. Oh well, I say. Let those who have eyes to see, see, and those who have ears to hear, hear. I hear you Alex de Large.[/QUOTE]
Ephesians 4:17-32 1 Corinthians 10:21
2004-02-20 17:36 | User Profile
That's why you have to respect a Hagee or a Falwell
I don't have to do anything. ;)
I agree with IR that Alex is not doing himself any favors. Whacking the flock over the head with an aluminum bat to get them to pay attention to your message that the fella over there in the overalls with the shears and evil grin is not really friendly merely sends them running in all directions away from you.
Was Sht Magnet Goad's second book? I never read it, but The Redneck Manifesto* was one of my early reads helping to clear out the egalitarian cobwebs.
Oh, and give me a break on the bankruptcy thing. Naming the Jew is not exactly the sure-fire path to financial independence in the journalism game, nor is it likely to get you the gold key to the executive crapper. Even if I don't always agree with Linder's tactics or style, I'm still glad he's out there banging that garbage can with a stick. Even Sam Francis, who's not a tenth part as inflammatory as Linder hasn't given his career a huge boost with his "Likudnik" stuff.
2004-02-20 19:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Maybe Goad's one of those one trick ponies? [/QUOTE]
That may be right. I was warned about his #2 book and don't even know what it was about.
Redneck Manifesto for awhile at least was placed in college bookstores under "ethnic studies"(!!!!) How many people got their first taste of the other side from that?
I'll always give Jim points for that. He seems to have spun out of control right afterwards though.
2004-02-21 01:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Why the obsession with bankruptcy, Jay? Just curious.
B/c I think it speaks volumes on Linder's character. For him to call Jews "swindlers" then declare bankruptcy, is the height of hypocrisy.
Linder ran up debts. The only way to do that is to buy things you can't afford. Bankruptcy is saying, "Sorry dudes, I can't pay you back." Is that not swindling?
Although I have no experience with such things, it seems clear that there are many ways to become bankrupt, not all of which are dishonorable.[/QUOTE]
That's very true. People who got caught in layoffs, personal tragedy, et al are not going to get attacked by me. But Linder doesn't work. he just types out angry prose at a computer.
No shit you're broke, dude! And I've got nearly 6-figures of education loans. Those monthly $600 hits hurt, but I feel a sense of honor and duty that I'm paying back money people gave me.
Linder doesn't feel he has to. Scumbag. And how many kids does he have? That's another can of worms I'd like to open up on the guy telling us to "reproduce for our race"
-J
2004-02-21 01:40 | User Profile
It must be remembered that Linder is not bashing the Father Coughlin-types with his anti-Christian comments. He is instead bashing the Judeo-Christians/their very large flock.
2004-02-21 07:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]It must be remembered that Linder is not bashing the Father Coughlin-types with his anti-Christian comments. He is instead bashing the Judeo-Christians/their very large flock.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for pointing that out. And here I thought that his references to "Christ the Kike" and "jew-fellating pope" were directed toward all Catholics.
Silly me!
Walter
2004-02-22 09:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute]Have you a similar excuse?[/QUOTE]
No, I offer you no excuses. If you note the quote in my reply, you'll see that I was addressing a Christian brother. You don't have a stake in that exchange.
But since I'm here I will address one point. You wielding Linder to hammer away at myself and the Pauline epistles just reveals your hypocrisy and true agenda. Something I must keep in mind however unfortunate I think it is, all the while I make note of how many posts you have here at OD versus Linder's VNN board.
2004-02-23 04:35 | User Profile
Tex,
while I do express my displeasure with attacks on Christianity here, can you clarify your seeming shift with respect to what Walter preaches?
2004-02-23 04:49 | User Profile
Whats going on here is a very good sample of what is going on in the world. You guys are fighting like kids, mine is bigger than yours, mine is better than yours hahahahahahahah love it. Religion is not the reason but the excuse to fight,,,,,,, No religion no fights.
NO BUSH
NO ISRAEL
NO WAR
NO DEAD AMERICAN.
2004-02-23 14:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Leaf Dragon] With all due respect, do you see the word 'Administrator' next to Texas Dissident's handle? That means he owns and runs this forum. That means he sets the rules. If you don't like that there are many other places you can go online.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect, LD, there are some rules that TD does not set, like the requirement for coherence and correspondence in argument such as prevents discussions from deteriorating into mere cowflop contests. TD can certainly allow OD to devolve into just another bullshit board, and the most capable contributors can well take the voice of reason elsewhere. I personally prefer OD the way it is, as it offers the opportunity for a test of Nietzsche's hope and expectation that pathological Christianity would inevitably, eventually, off itself - to which I am adding, by analogy, a little "Leninist" assistance toward this restoration to health and sanity.
2004-02-23 20:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute] You will be happy to learn that my fate - and that of other non- Christian types at this board - is the subject of a prayerful decision making process. Hence the matter is out of our hands. [/QUOTE]
It always was. Always is. I ran enough egroups in the old days to know rules can change, positions can evolve. Obviously that's what's happening here and there's no point in complaining about an exercise in self-definition. Humans do it all the time.
Of course non-Christians will end up elsewhere but they will anyway. Equilibrium is always restored. I think that's in Hellenic cosmology somewhere, I know it's in mine. Relax. This is part of the unfolding. Patterns change but nothing is ever lost.
2004-02-24 00:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Leaf Dragon] No offense, but if 'coherence' were a requirement here you would be the first to go.[/QUOTE]
Then it's damn lucky for me, LD, that your credentials as a consultant on "coherence" are, to judge from this remark, not merely non-existent but laughable in prospect. Right good to know that you aspire to have some judgment in this regard, though.
[QUOTE]Nietzsche was a self-labeled philosemite; by all accounts, St. Paul was an 'antisemite'. It's obvious that the latter philosopher is more compatible with White nationalism/conservatism. Sadly, your ideology is no more coherent than your writing style.[/QUOTE]
But rather more obvious, and amusing for its innocence, LD, is your mere reliance upon "labels" for the making of superficial assessments such as the one you've just attempted. And I'll be a blue-nosed gopher if this doesn't suggest the more acute observation that my writing style requires more retentiveness than that of which you are capable. Nevertheless, be of good cheer in spite of all, LD - you are probably a much happier person for your possession of these widely-shared prophylactic limitations.
2004-02-24 02:30 | User Profile
The contribution to this board of gentiles - GENTILES, like Il Ragno, mwdallas, madrussian, leveller, bardamu, antiyuppie, avalanche, NN, trisk, tsun, zoroaster, angler, enkidu, C93 and on and on and on (for ****'s sake - EDWARD GIBBON - author of WAR, MONEY, and AMERICAN MEMORY) have accounted for a substantial plurality of discussion of this board and hence, it's traffic and tone. OD didn't become the board it is becase of Jay, Skemper and Gabrielle. Had the board been openly Xtian from the start, it would not have developed in the way it had, nor do I think it would be as intelligent or as sizable as it is. It certainly wouldn't be handling the Jewish question.
A powerful comment, WM! Especially that last sentence.
How does Tex feel about that, I wonder?
2004-02-24 03:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute] Linder came to your board ...[/QUOTE]
I missed this. What is the thread title?
2004-02-24 14:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE]What is the thread title?[/QUOTE]
Good question; I actually thought "The Invisible Handjob" was one of my better puns and perfectly apropos to the original point of this thread. Now I note that it's been bowdlerized, and by someone who has no compunction about posting gems like "cocksmoking" in his reply. Apparently, God doesn't mind all-out profanity in his [I]defense[/I], but even a mild cussword used for a secular purpose makes His son's palms hurt like the dickens.
It's like genocide. Calling for mass murder is considered the height of lunatic bad taste - unless it's followed by a sonorous "amen". Funny how that works.
2004-02-24 16:53 | User Profile
This is no doubt the wrong place for this, but check out this article on VDARE by Locke:
[url]http://www.vdare.com/locke/stoddard.htm[/url]
Walter