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Thread ID: 12344 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2004-02-15
2004-02-15 19:50 | User Profile
I don't mean to intrude in any way upon the mourning of the death of the great Peter Brimelow's wife, but this little sidenote is simply too telling to ignore. David Frum, who along with Richard Perle forms a two-man Axis of Evil, wrote up memories of the Brimelow family in NRO. Turns out Brimelow was pretty chummy with Frummy, even to the point where there was babysitting going on.
[url]http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary020804.asp[/url]
Linder has a great line in Robt. Griffin's new book, something like, "America has to die because Jack Kemp showered with some black guys." Might it be said, somewhat less punchily, that "America must fight Jew wars because David Frum was feeding yogurt to Peter Brimelow's baby"?
This is how it goes down, no doubt about it. The world of top-ranked journalism can get pretty small, and the chances that a Brimelow will run into a Frum are pretty good --- even on a social level. Now, I am not in a truly ideal position to cast stones here myself, having once worked in a pretty Jewish confine. I know how it goes. They're bright, verbal, driven people, and you're going to see 'em around, maybe make a friendship, etc. Pre-MacDonald, you never thought twice about them [I]as a group.[/I] But holy kosher dog, there it all is: these foreign creatures are trying to bump us off, and for cripety crumpets, they look almost like we do!
To Brimelow's great credit, he has done some spectacular stuff, no need to go on. He ran MacDonald. He wrote Alien Nation, including the quote from Jew who admitted why Jews were behind immigration opening. But a relationship like this complicates things. Doubt he'd ever have the stones to say, "We simply cannot allow Jews to hold positions of power in the United States. In short, we need American Nuremberg Laws. Yep, that's what we need." Which is what we DO need, but see how the royal families have sleepovers which make such pronouncements unlikely.
I suspect it's how the world works. Not because someone read a rational argument and believed it. Not because "it's the right thing to do." But because David Frum was at the Brimelow house, feeding yogurt to the kid. The loyalty isn't to the masses of whites around the U.S., but to the journalistic/political social circle that is, even if you're on to the Jew, thick with Jews.
2004-02-15 20:16 | User Profile
Hugh:
From the accounts of of Mrs. B she seems to have just been an awesome woman, and probably an awesome wife and mom. I'm practically in love with her just from that photo. Even the likes of Frum are apt to find such women inspirational, and need to express tribute and grief. They just don't make Western women like that in the post-feminist era, or not often.
I'd read more into it if it were Brimelow writing about Mrs. Frum (oops, I mean Ms. Crittenden) than vice-versa. If I'm not mistaken, even Frum chose a gentile wife, no?
2004-02-15 21:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken, even Frum chose a gentile wife, no?[/QUOTE] I believe Frum married into a gentile family that Brimelow was friendly with.
2004-02-15 21:21 | User Profile
Brimelow has criticized Frum's positions on lots of stuff, mostly immigration.
He never denied that Frum was his pal starting during his years in Canada. The fact that Frum chose to eulogize Brimelow's wife has no bearing on either Frum's or Brimelow's ideological positions. I mean, it hasn't come down to a shooting war yet.
Pete's okay. With a loss like this, you take comfort where you find it. History is littered with examples of men who were decent and civil to their opponents. I wouldn't read anything else into this.
2004-02-15 21:37 | User Profile
Gonna have to disagree.
I'm not saying that Peter Brimelow is anything but a champion, but I am saying that his - or anyone's - view is going to be affected by this. These are the telling anecdotes of our times, the mixing of the personal and the political, the very sort of thing that makes a man weak in the clutch. Why is it so hard for even the smartest aware whites to envision Jews as the enemy? Really, racial politics are both the personal and political, and that is what makes it so goddamn hard for people to get into. Your personal experiences are divorced from your world view in the oddest way. "Yes, we've got to shove the Jews out, but meanwhile, I'm heading out to a dinner party where there will be at least two Jews, one of whom writes pro-war columns for a moderately-sized journal somewhere." The very whites positioned to help us are laden with this. That is one gigantic problem.
I'm saying here that the Brimelow-Frum yogurt anecdote says pretty much everything you need to know about the stickiness of our racial plight. I read a lot into it.
2004-02-15 22:05 | User Profile
I don't deny you may be right.
At the same time, Brimelow has used the term "ethnic hostility" to refer to Jewish intransigence on the subject of immigration, to the point VDARE has been named a hate site by the tribe.
Brimelow is a journalist who writes mostly on finance. There's just no way he can adopt Alex Linder's attitude even part-way. The man is going to be dealing with Jews on a daily basis and if he makes mortal enemies of all of them he'll become another Westbrook Pegler. Then we'll have no VDARE at all. Better half a loaf.
I've also heard that most of the VDARE writers are on-point to the main problem here. To keep their audience, they have to be strategic with their information. I can understand that completely.
Note for younger readers: Westbrook Pegler was the most famous American editorialist at one time, many years ago. He pissed in the tribe's punchbowl over Israel and became an unperson literally overnight. The great rumor of the 1950s is that Bill Buckley at National Review adopted his philosemetic stance after he saw how Pelger was run out of Dodge without a peep or pop from anyone in the news biz. The rumor might be true.
2004-02-15 22:12 | User Profile
I don't see anything wrong with some "mingling with the Jews". That's just life, that any people of prominence have to do it nowadays. The history has shown that sometimes the most formiddable enemies are those who know the enemy the best, or were even promoted by the enemy. For example, Vlad the Impaler who was slaughtering Turks left and right, grew among the Turks as a hostage. Also, Putin was backed by Berezovsky and Yeltsin.
2004-02-15 23:52 | User Profile
"Brimelow is a journalist who writes mostly on finance. There's just no way he can adopt Alex Linder's attitude even part-way. The man is going to be dealing with Jews on a daily basis and if he makes mortal enemies of all of them he'll become another Westbrook Pegler. Then we'll have no VDARE at all. Better half a loaf."
Absolutely, absolutely. I dare say very, very few men can be an Alex Linder and keep paying their bills. Considering, Brim's been pretty frickin' brave.
I hope there's room for "Linder on the inside, Brimelow on the outside" activists. Otherwise, we're cooked. But mad's point about mingling not being so bad is taken. How else you gonna KNOW the enemy? Jews, of course, do plenty of mingling but always know deep down where they stand. We have to be the same way, I guess.
2004-02-16 23:35 | User Profile
I caught the scabrously incorrect business, too, and thought what you did, wm. The whole mention of Linder was a little contrived, actually, if you recall the circumstances. You just wouldn't link if you weren't saying, "He's a little hot for me, but here ya go, kids!"
Rumor is Brim's bro John is on board. Just a rumor.
2004-02-17 00:09 | User Profile
My attitude towards all this is that Brimelow gets this year off from any criticism from me. He's [I]done good for us [/I] in his own way already, and that, in conjunction with the horrific loss he's suffered, earns him a respectful moratorium from the kind of 'name-the-Jew' jeremiads he routinely receives from this corner.
If he happens to author a piece for VDARE entitled "Paul Wolfowitz Is Your Friend" or "We Desperately Need MORE Mexicans, Not Less" this spring, I'll consider breaking my pledge, but I'm not gonna nitpick the man because he was once in publishing and had cordial relationships with Jewish neocons. Life is not a position paper.
2004-02-17 00:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute]Actually, I think he already has. Leaving an active hyperlink to the 'scabrouly incorrect Alex Linder' should be understood as the web journalists' equivalent of a wink. Brimelow understands, and seems to be doing everything possible to set things up for the next stage (his board was the one that released the Steinlight papers, remember). I believe that Sam Francis understands everything, and is likewise trying to provide an opening for the next generation of activists (though the dissolution of his website struck me then, and still does, as so cowardly as to be unforgiveable. Even David Horowitz allows anti-Jew commentary at Front Page and it certainly isn't his fault that the WNs who have chosen to take advantage of it are all morons who blacken our name. Well, maybe it is, but my paranoia sonar doesn't go that deep.
I often sit out the Francis/ Bucanan wars on this board because I think that those two are so different that they aren't in the same category. Buchanan doesn't have any secrets; he's not a racist. He makes noises, that can't be denied, but Christians can be fooled by noise making politicians indefinitely, I belive. Will they ever figure out that the Republicans will never be coming through with anti-abortion legislation or school prayer legislation or anything else that concerns them? I doubt it. Buchanan is like that for racialists - he makes noises, and serves as a target for the 'grand leader' projection from people who need that sort of thing. To be fair, he does believe in an isolationist foreign policy, but would be incapable of doing the work necessary to bring one about - namely, naming the jews.
If an when an anti-Jewish cultural movement arrives in the West, Buchanan will fight it. He likes Jews, and in the last analysis, is a Catholic-Republican apparatchik. Most of his supporters here never mention all his work for the Nixon administration, which may or may not include coining the term 'affirmative action'.
Of course, all of this goes a thousand times over for Scott McConell.
Blathering on about neo-cons is not an acceptable subsitute. Buchanan actually thinks that neo-cons are the problem, a stance that always inspires great frustration in me, just as are people who use the term 'Zionists' when they mean Jews. It it Jews who are our enemies, not Zionists, and not Neo-Cons. Whether they want, or have, their own nation, they still mean to destroy your nation with a maximum of prejudice and as much degradation and human suffering as possible.
I want to add my voice to those here who ID Brimelow as a champion. My respect for him is very great indeed. His has done more for White Nationalism in the past two years than the NA has since it was founded (to be fair, I make an exception for the essays of Pierce, which are brilliant). His site is the home to many authors, like Francis, Sailer and Paul Craig Roberts, who, though not WNs themselves, tend to make WNs out of everyone who reads them (in everything but name). Also, while VNN seems determined to win the attention of every maladjusted teen male in the US in order to indulge them in their anti-social attitudes, VDARE has its eyes on the prize: employed, intelligent, moneyed men and women of good character.
Sadly, those people have no 'next step' to go to after VDARE, but they will someday, not least because of efforts of people on this board.
Wintermute[/QUOTE]
[I]Also, while VNN seems determined to win the attention of every maladjusted teen male in the US in order to indulge them in their anti-social attitudes, VDARE has its eyes on the prize: employed, intelligent, moneyed men and women of good character.[/I]
A nice little piece of elitist snobbery.
It's more often than not people whom the [I]bien pensants [/I], comfortable reactionaries sneeringly refer to as anti-social, unemployed, poor, etc. that are the vanguard of any revolutionary mass movement, and NOT the so-called moneyed, propertied, "intelligent" conservartives who have too much to lose to rock the boat in any substantive, significant way. These people are happy just fiddling at the margins and any real change shouldn't be expected from them; on the contrary, they're more of a hindrance to real change than anything else, i.e., they're part and parcel of the problem.
As to having the Jew in ones closet, I agree that it's by and large meaningless. Dr. Joseph Goebbels, The Anti-Semite of the Third Reich, studied under several Jews and wrote his Ph.D dissertation under the supervision of a Jew. He also worked briefly at a Jewish bank where he grew utterly disgusted by the Jews' shady banking practices. The fact is that due to their ubiquitousness in academe, finance, media, etc. they cannot be avoided. People who get to know them up close and personal, hate them the most.
2004-02-17 00:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]It's more often than not people whom the [I]bien pensants [/I], comfortable reactionaries sneeringly refer to as anti-social, unemployed, poor, etc. that are the vanguard of any revolutionary mass movement, and NOT the so-called moneyed, propertied, "intelligent" conservartives who have too much to lose to rock the boat in any substantive, significant way. These people are happy just fiddling at the margins and any real change shouldn't be expected from them; on the contrary, they're more of a hindrance to real change than anything else, i.e., they're part and parcel of the problem.[/QUOTE]
Good point, friedrich. If listing the cowardly, don't forget to include academics.
2004-02-17 01:13 | User Profile
Crikes. Now I'm starting to hate the point I've made, but I think it's at least worth throwing out there, or asking the question. The last sentence of my original post is starting to look a little strident, but if I edited it now I'd look like a fool. Guess maybe the source of my zizzing on this is a little autobiographical guilt, for what it's worth. Which, upon reflection, may not be so warranted. I think we work ourselves into dithers about some sort of pro-white purity that just can't be achieved in the real world, especially for folks who are close to the power levers than can do our race the most good, like Brimelow. Kings of old supped with rival kings they'd be at war with later, that sort of thing. Aren't all our fates decided by Yalies, anyway? Jared Taylor and Bill Clinton disagree on race, but they'd swim in the same room. Life's not a position paper, true, but white racial consciousness is putting that to the test. The contradictions are odd: you're listening to ADV with your door shut, and your Jewish roommate's on the phone down the hall. Ha! Don't tell me that's not a little weird.
2004-02-17 04:31 | User Profile
Actually, I object to the yahooism myself. And by 'yahooism' I mean the way Friedrich jumped to connote 'Mute's slam at slope-browed thugs with 'poor, unemployed, anti-social', etc.
As someone who's been all three at various points in my life - hell, make it four, since I was once a maladjusted teen as well - it infuriates me that a reasonable expectation of intelligence and industriousness from even the lowest-income-strata white man and woman is taken to be elitist imperiousness. Shackle a man with low expectations and you generally get what you deserve.
Current 93 wrote, correctly, "Adolf Hitler was of the most meager means." It's true; he nearly starved in Vienna. But he knew the difference between a patriot and a lout who makes noises like a patriot; he knew how to utilize them both, and how to deal with both. And he never confused one for the other.
2004-02-17 15:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute]Why thank you.[/QUOTE]
No problem. If the shoe fits...
[QUOTE]Could you please be a little bit more direct about your class anxieties, FB? I couldn't make them out clearly enough in your posting.[/QUOTE]
You know nothing about me; hence, any personal comments of this type are superfluous (I'm a professional with a graduate degree. I speak four languages and I'll gladly compare my academic degrees with yours.)
[QUOTE]Since we live in a democracy that is controlled by Jews (who, by the way, don't HATE INTELLIGENCE, or foam at the mouth when regarding the prospect of human cultivation or achievement, like some egalitarian splinter sects of that religion do),[/QUOTE]
Where did I say that ââ¬ÅI HAT[ED] INTELLIGENCE"? Where did I "foam at the mouth when regarding the prospect of human cultivation or achievement like some egalitarian splinter sects of that religion doââ¬Â?
Do you have any evidence that I meant to imply the above?
Didnââ¬â¢t think so.
Wintermute makes up his own straw men arguments and proceeds to answer them.
[QUOTE]Ws popularity doesn't surprise me. The few conservatives who are not outright morons are characterologically deformed.
So don't lecture me about do-nothing conservatives, or you risk making my point.[/QUOTE]
Iââ¬â¢m glad that you agree that so-called ââ¬Åconservativesââ¬Â are part and parcel of the problem.
[QUOTE]Also, the distance from sociopathic teens to the poor and unemployed generally is quite a stretch. Do you have any evidence that I meant the latter groups?[/QUOTE]
Double-talk. This is your quote:
"Also, while VNN seems determined to win the attention of every maladjusted teen male in the US in order to indulge them in their anti-social attitudes, VDARE has its eyes on the prize: employed, intelligent, moneyed men and women of good character."
By contrasting VDARE as having ââ¬Åits eyes on the prize: employed, intelligent, moneyed men and women of good characterââ¬Â with VNN readers: "ââ¬Â¦every maladjusted teen male in the US...anti-socia attitudes teens" you've indicated, [I]a contrario[/I], that you hold VNN people as unemployed, unintelligent, poor, men and women of bad character, no?
Do you have any statistics to back up your assertions?
Wintermute, in a truly Jewish fashion, evidently judges a man's worth by the size of his wallet.
Wintermute's quote again:
[QUOTE]Also, the distance from sociopathic teens to the poor and unemployed generally is quite a stretch. Do you have any evidence that I meant the latter groups?[/QUOTE]
If this isnââ¬â¢t what you originally meant, what exactly did you mean?
However, I distinctly remember you underlining a few months ago your gratitude to Alex Linder and VNN for contributing to your racial ââ¬Åawakening.ââ¬Â True or False?
[QUOTE]Employed, intelligent, moneyed men and women of good character can endow think tanks, bring test cases before the courts, publish magazines (and get them on the stands), finance distribution of independant media, and convert their intellectual and economic peers, thus ensuring victory for our cause.[/QUOTE]
Please show us all those victories for our cause; we canââ¬â¢t even get affirmative action repealed or stopping the flood of immigrants. On the contrary, I see only defeats on all fronts. The recent Bush proposal to regularize the status of illegal aliens in the US is only the latest of obvious set backs at the hands of the ââ¬Åconservativeââ¬Â Bush and his rich friends and cronies and handlers whoââ¬â¢ve put this swaggering boy in the White House.
[QUOTE]Angry, unbalanced, unbathed, uneducated, unskilled teen males provide a laughingstock for our enemies and are prone to counterproductive violence. And by counterproductive, I mean premature. Nobody understands the importance of rabble better than I do - but there's a time and a place for everything.[/QUOTE]
Wintermute again sneers at the "great unwashed" lower orders: ââ¬ÅAngry, unbalanced, unbathed, uneducated, unskilled teen malesââ¬Â¦prone to counterproductive violenceââ¬Â, i.e., folks with whom he has nothing in common and from whom he's far removed and who don't read the international press on Sunday morning while sipping a cafe latte (made just right!), and eating a fresh, buttered French croissant in comfy, warm slippers, glancing with one eye at the CNN.
The only ââ¬Åviolenceââ¬Â I see is the massive violence in the Middle East orchestrated by Bush and his rich friends and cronies and handlers (and elsewhere) in behalf of Jewish and moneyed interests.
[QUOTE]And let's not kid ourselves here - we're talking about street thugs, who can be turned in any direction at all by money and brainwashing. These are hardly people of deep conviction.[/QUOTE]
In that case, letââ¬â¢s make sure that theyââ¬â¢re on-board and properly educated and under control! Looking down on them with class contempt is counterproductive and foolish.
[QUOTE]Also, the masses have never been the 'vanguards' of anything at all.[/QUOTE]
The masses properly steered and focused by the intelligentsia have always been an essential and crucial component of any mass movement. Again, real change will not come from those comfortably positioned at the trough and who are part of the system that needs a radical overhaul.
2004-02-17 19:30 | User Profile
AY,
how do you ensure that the cannon fodder follows you rather than the charlatans promising them bread and circus? If you accept that they won't be able to appreciate the fine details of your arguments, what other choice but skillful propaganda do you have?
Now, not a comment directed at you, but what do you win by looking down at cannon fodder? Yeah, I despise freepers too, but if one believes freepers is the only material to work with, there is little hope left.
2004-02-18 09:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Friedrich Braun:
Far from being the "vanguard" of the movement, the dregs of society serve as the cannon fodder of any revolution. If you doubt this, take a look at the Bolshevik movement. Its leaders, almost to a man, were well-to-do, educated Jews and Judaized Gentiles. The Lumpenproletariat who actually fought in the street fights and took the bullets were simply acting on marching orders from above, thanks to all sorts of populist promises about a workers' paradise on earth where they could be indolent and live in luxury at the same time.
What was true for Bolshevism is true for their ideological grandchildren, the neocons. A visit to Free Republic will show you plenty of Lumpenproletarian voices braying "NOOK THEM AYRABS! LETS ROLE" and posting their sadistic fantasies about torturing Hussein and other officially sanctioned enemies. Are these subliterate dregs the "vanguard" of the neoconservative movement? Of course not! They're simply taking their marching orders from creatures like Kristol, Frum and Podhoretz, through sufficiently dumbed-down filters as Limbaugh, Robinson, etc.
The "masses" who take great pride in their ignorance will never initiate a revolutionary movement of any kind. They simply follower where the loudest voice they hear tells them to go. Today, those voices are those of CNN, Fox News, MTV, Hollywood, and the White House. Your average FReeper is "the masses," men who won't rock the boat either in fear of losing Monday Night Football or "Survivor" (which to them is every bit as valuable as any millionaire's 401K). Anyone who romanticizes the masses and thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, politics from ancient times on has always been top down and shall always be. The reason we need moneyed and "respectable" people in the movmeent is because that's who the masses ultimately take their cues from...unless you know an 18 year old thug who can set up his own CNN or Fox for us all.
As for the example of Hitler, perhaps you're forgetting that Hitler wasn't an uncouth lout, but an artist who went without food for days so he could afford tickets to the opera and symphony orchestra, and who spent his free time during WWI reading Schopenhauer while his comrades were off at the brothel. It's true that he didn't come from wealth or have a formal education, but spiritually and intellectually he was quite "high brow" compared to the popular image of National Socialist "thugs."[/QUOTE] A.Y. You stated "The "masses" take great pride in their ingorance." This is sadly true, any W.N. who reflect's on those who are willfuly and lazily asleep, know they will attack a W.N. position in a second as they have a willful defensive position, based on forked tongued media.. An example of this is when Clitoon, let the Weirdo Zids, Mad Alldumb and General Kanne lead the attack on Christian Serbia, I clearly stated in a lumber yard one rainy day, a day after the Belgrade TV station was hit by U.S. that Clitooon was truly a mad criminal to take part and alllow this horror.. The man I said this to, was some one who I had done business with for years, and he was alway's ranting about how much he hated Clitooon, but I would never engage him in any conversation other that to nod in agrement and move on. Because, I understood he had little depth on his positions, out side of TV/talk radio etc., and I never veiewed him in the local library over the last 15 years, or the only book store, but that day he yelled Clitooon is stopping Genocide! Are you crazy? I said no, and I said you believe all that talk radio, and support every war that comes down the pike, but your boys are not in the military, why? I don't know you any more, and walked out, as his conduct was very hostile towards me on this.. This is what protects the treason gang in the District of Criminal's, especially in the remaining white areas. Media/TV, Church, schools and the whole political system, works hard to keep U.S. dumb to all that is important for our survial, as most all of it is directed/controlled by the termite hive. I knew one guy who read the National Review and he thought he was a intellectual, I do not think I am though, just a reader is all, and he had read few if any books in his life. As it has been stated here at O.D. and many other place's there is no difference, between the so called right and left position's for the Republic. Even if you ask questions of dumb position's, that just gets the so called Conservative as angry as any Lefty, and they well squeal Nazi, the Yid-ish word as fast as any Bolshevik.. As many have written the high ground is controlled by the Trojans Termite's.. For now...