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Thread ID: 12331 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2004-02-14
2004-02-14 21:02 | User Profile
[url]http://gazeta.ru/2004/02/10/oa_111636.shtml[/url]
A group of teenagers has attacked a Tajik family in the centre of St Petersburg, killing a 9-year-old girl. According to her cousin, the murderers, who stabbed her 11 times, had waited for the child to stop breathing before they left the scene.
The group of teenagers armed with chains, bats and knives stabbed the 9-year-old girl and savagely battered her father and cousin. 35-year-old Yusuf Sultanov, his daughter Khursheda and 11-year-old nephew Alabir, were attacked by suspected neo-Nazi thugs at around 2115 on Monday near the house where they lived in Boitsova Pereulok.
According to a report by the St Petersburg Agency for Journalistic Investigations, Sultanov and the children were returning from a skating-rink in the Yusupov Gardens, when a group of about 8-10 young men ran up to them and attacked them several metres from their home.
When the youths produced knives the boy managed to hide under a car parked nearby. The father and the girl were not so lucky and soon both of them lost consciousness under a barrage of blows. From his hiding place Alabir saw his cousin Khursheda die of her wounds. According to the boy, the murderers did not leave until the girl stopped breathing.
Her father Yusuf Sultanov suffered a head injury and concussion, doctors said upon examining the man. Sultanov refused, however, to go to hospital. His nephew was admitted to Raukhfus Childrenââ¬â¢s Hospital with a closed cranial injury, brain concussion and bruises. After the doctors ascertained that the boyââ¬â¢s life was not in danger he was discharged.
Khursheda Sultanova died from a loss of blood before an ambulance arrived. The doctors found 11 knife wounds on the childââ¬â¢s body. The prosecutorââ¬â¢s office of the Admieralteisky district of the city has launched criminal proceedings under Article 105 of the penal code for murder. City police are combing the city in search of the murderers.
All the members of the Sultanov family are migrants from Tajikistan. They are officially registered in St Petersburg and rent an apartment in Boitsova Pereulok, the city police said. Many immigrants from the former Soviet Union live in the district where the attack occurred.
Investigators are convinced that St Petersburg-based skinheads are behind the murder. The most savage attack on immigrants took place in the northern capital on 13 September 2002. Then some 20 skinheads attacked an Azeri in the Primorsky District of the city. The 55-year-old Mamed Mamedov, who made his living by selling watermelons at a local market and was a father to 8 children, was beaten to death. One of the skinheads even recorded the murder on a video camera.
On the following day the youths attacked another Azeri, Rovshan Mamedov (the namesake of the previous victim). The man was severely beaten. Some of the attackers were later detained.
2004-02-14 21:12 | User Profile
The latest news story about this has an open letter from a representative of the regional "Human Rights Organization" by the name Boris Roginsky (you guessed it, a zhid). It's a long rant against the authorities who "provoked" this and other pogroms, about Putin who "doesn't negotiate with the terrorists", that it was "mainly youth who voted for Hitler" etc. etc. The most interesting was the ending, which went like:
It may still be not too late. We must turn towards our children and youth. We must teach them the history. We must tech them to think. We must teach them to immediately and without thinking smash the face of anyone who would utter the word chernozhopy.
(chernozhopy literally means black-assed and is a typical slur against the darkies).
There you have it. The universal zhid sentiment stated in the usual agressive manner.
2004-02-14 21:35 | User Profile
I wonder what Putin was saying (or thinking)
[img]http://gazeta.ru/2004/02/13/images/putinreak.jpg[/img]
2004-02-14 22:00 | User Profile
I could never condone this sort of attack on any helpless person, let alone a young child. Neither will the vast majority of Whites, now or ever. Psychotic acts like this give the pro-White movement a bad name. In fact, this sounds like something a gang of Jewish settlers might do in Palestine.
If someone wants to torch a Jewish lobby office or beat the crap out of members of the JDL, I certainly won't complain. But it turns my stomach to see Whites sink to the level of cowardly Jews.
2004-02-14 22:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I could never condone this sort of attack on any helpless person, let alone a young child. Neither will the vast majority of Whites, now or ever. Psychotic acts like this give the pro-White movement a bad name. In fact, this sounds like something a gang of Jewish settlers might do in Palestine. [/QUOTE]This of course was a horrible crime. But to put it perspective, the former Soviet Union as a whole is a very dangerous place, as I understand it, with a big breakdown in law and morality across the board, and at all levels of society. Not surprising considering the legacy left by Bolshevism.
WN groups, especially since they tend to attract the more desperate and disgruntled elements of society, naturally aren't immune to these trends. Obviously in fact we've see the same thing in this country with groups like the Klan and the WTOC. Its just an occupational hazard of doing business.
2004-02-14 22:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I could never condone this sort of attack on any helpless person, let alone a young child. Neither will the vast majority of Whites, now or ever. Psychotic acts like this give the pro-White movement a bad name. In fact, this sounds like something a gang of Jewish settlers might do in Palestine.
If someone wants to torch a Jewish lobby office or beat the crap out of members of the JDL, I certainly won't complain. But it turns my stomach to see Whites sink to the level of cowardly Jews.[/QUOTE]
While its probably for the best if we Whites maintain our lynching tabu, at least with regard to women and children, I'd be lying if I said I could seriously consider anything done here to be morally wrong. Its more akin to tastelessness.
2004-02-14 22:43 | User Profile
When the society as a whole is sick, this sickness boils over in the desperate acts like that. When the adults fail to be responsible for their people, the young will do something stupid.
The problem of chernozhopy acting in a predatory manner has been around since several decades ago, even during the time of the Soviet Brotherhood of the Peoples, or whatever it was called at the time. It's the failur of the white societies to have a natural barrier and solidarity against those. So it's not suprising that you can only hear about the skinheads as far as resistance to the aliens is concerned.
If you read news reports, you'll have the impression that the chernozhopy get oppressed, be it in Russia or the US, with the evil whites representing a great danger of another Nazi resurgance and other scary things. It's never publicized that the break-up of the Soviet Union was accompanied by the massive exodus of non-natives from all of the muslim republics as the result of attacks, murders, rapes and intimidation. Likewise, you'll not hear much about the crimes due to such "migrants". The fact that the muslims republics enjoy mono-ethnic status right now after cleansing all of their non-muslim population, and their "migration" to Russia to conduct business, must tell you a thing or two about who the real predators are.
2004-02-14 23:05 | User Profile
I just think that the targeting of women and children (by anyone) is not only wrong, it's counterproductive. It is bound to happen on occasion in any conflict, but it shouldn't be tolerated.
Please note that I am not condemning the use of force outright -- in fact, I think it should be used much more often against militant Zionists. Groups like the JDL use violence and terrorism against others; therefore, Whites have every right return the favor. And as for certain subversive lobbying groups, it's a shame that we never hear about any of their offices going up in smoke. I'm not going to advocate online that people do the above things, but let's just say that if someone wants to, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
At the very least, it's crucial for every militant White to be well-armed and well-prepared. But the actual use of violence is not necessary unless one faced with an adversary who is capable of doing him harm. That rules out unarmed women and children.
2004-02-14 23:17 | User Profile
I agree that children shouldn't be harmed. I don't know the motivation of the young punks, perhaps they thought the adult was already dead and tried to finish off the young. Who knows what was in their heads? Sending a signal that the young won't be safe for the greater intimidation effect?
I posted this story for the comment from the zhid, actually. It's the same "we won't tolerate the hate" message the totalitarian zhids have been spreading in every country. Of course, the intolerance to the hate stops when it becomes about them. Then you hear the zhids condoning the Bolsheviks (Magician et al at Liberty Forum).
2004-02-14 23:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]If you read news reports, you'll have the impression that the chernozhopy get oppressed, be it in Russia or the US, with the evil whites representing a great danger of another Nazi resurgance and other scary things. It's never publicized that the break-up of the Soviet Union was accompanied by the massive exodus of non-natives from all of the muslim republics as the result of attacks, murders, rapes and intimidation. Likewise, you'll not hear much about the crimes due to such "migrants". The fact that the muslims republics enjoy mono-ethnic status right now after cleansing all of their non-muslim population, and their "migration" to Russia to conduct business, must tell you a thing or two about who's the real predators are.[/QUOTE]
Excellent points. The Muslims have already taken back the Turkic lands the Russians fought 1000 years for, using the precise same sort of tactics these skinheads used. Not being satisfied with just their own lands, they are encroaching on the the citadels of Mother Russia. I'll bet many of these Russian skinheads were born in Kazahkstan or Uzbekistan (I'd bet money on it, in fact) and saw their own families chased out by these chernozhopy scum. While knifing 9-year old girls is certainly a dirty business, I prefer a climate where such things aren't all that surprising to the contemporary American status quo, where the only opposition the nonWhites encroachment on our lands, women, jobs, housing stock and other national resources are exclusively of the abstract, intellectual variety. In short, that 9-year old girl is now one less chernozhopy womb ready to turn out hordes of degenerates who would be doing the exact same thing to our young girls, and so her death likely saved several White lives. I feel sorry for her parents, just as I would feel sorry for an alligator I had to shoot in order to protect my dog. As a civilized man, I am saddened by the suffering of animals. But I also know where to draw the line between my fellow humans and the animals, and its pretty clear which side the Tajiks are on.
2004-02-14 23:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]I agree that children shouldn't be harmed. I don't know the motivation of the young punks, perhaps they thought the adult was already dead and tried to finish off the young.[/QUOTE]
I suspect that's what they thought, i.e. that the father was already dead, so let's make it a double. I hope so, because even for a hard-core such as myself, the idea of deliberately killing the child, and only the child, strikes me as just more cruel than I want our young men to become. We don't want to win the war and then lose the peace, due to a generation of White men being turned into brutal killers. We need fathers and builders, not sadists, irrespective of how much killing we may need to eventually do in order to get to a point where fathering and building can become our primary pursuits.
2004-02-15 22:51 | User Profile
Chechnya is the best example, but the same was going on a smaller scale elsewhere too. In fact, there were several ethnic riots in muslim republicks during the Soviet Union existance when scores of people were raped and murdered. The news of these riots were suppressed.
Some links about Chechnya:
[url=http://www.anycities.com/user/conrad/english/library/articles/article_2.htm]Chechnya's Grimmest Industry[/url]
[url=http://www.anycities.com/user/conrad/english/genocide/genocide_1.htm]Testimonials[/url]
Look at the zhids supporting the Chechens:
[url=http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/about_members.htm]The American Committee for Peace in Chechnya[/url]:
Members
Morton Abramowitz Elliott Abrams Kenneth Adelman Bulent Ali-Reza Richard V. Allen Audrey L. Alstadt Vadim Altskan Zeyno Baran Antonio L. Betancourt John Bolsteins John Brademas Zbigniew Brzezinski Richard Burt John Calabrese Eric Chenoweth Walter C. Clemens Eliot Cohen Nicholas Daniloff Ruth Daniloff Midge Decter James S. Denton Larry Diamond Thomas R. Donahue Robert Dujarric John Dunlop Charles Fairbanks Sandra Feldman Geraldine A. Ferraro Catherine A. Fitzpatrick Erwin Friedlander Frank Gaffney Charles Gati Richard Gere Douglas Ginsburg Paul Goble Marshall I. Goldman Orlando Gutierrez Barbara Haig Alexander M. Haig, Jr. Robert P. Hanrahan Paul B. Henze Eleanor Herman Peter J. Hickman Norman Hill Irving Louis Horowitz Glen E. Howard Bruce P. Jackson Robert Kagan Max M. Kampelman Thomas Kean Mati Koiva Guler Koknar Harry Kopp William Kristol Janis Kukainis Saulius V. Kuprys Kenneth D. S. Lapatin Michael A. Ledeen Robert J. Lieber Seymour M. Lipset Robert McFarlane Mihajlo Mijajlov Bronislaw Misztal Joshua Muravchik Julia Nanay Johanna Nichols Jan Nowak William Odom P.J. O'Rourke J. Dimitry Panitza Richard Perle Richard Pipes Norman Podhoretz Moishe Pripstein Arch Puddington Peter Reddaway Peter R. Rosenblatt David Saperstein Gary Schmitt William Schneider Alexey Semyonov Andrew M. Sessler Philip Siegelman Sophia Sluzar Stephen J. Solarz Helmut Sonnenfeldt Gregory H. Stanton Leonard R. Sussman Barry Tharaud Jack Thomas Tomarchio Sinan Utku George Weigel Caspar Weinberger Curtin Winsor R. James Woolsey Tatiana Yankelevich
2004-02-15 23:53 | User Profile
A ghastly story (and hardly an isolated incident in the former USSR)...but a moot point.
Skinheads - whether European or American - are white ni**ers. (As opposed to whiggers, a different phenomenon.) They are anathema to white values & civilization, and represent only the awareness of race as competing entities and [I]not [/I] the slightest comprehension of why white civilzation matters and is worth fighting for.
2004-02-16 00:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]A ghastly story (and hardly an isolated incident in the former USSR)...but a moot point.
Skinheads - whether European or American - are white ni**ers. (As opposed to whiggers, a different phenomenon.) They are anathema to white values & civilization, and represent only the awareness of race as competing entities and [I]not [/I] the slightest comprehension of why white civilzation matters and is worth fighting for.[/QUOTE]
Not a bad definition of "counter-productive", 'Rachnid. :glare: