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Thread ID: 12220 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2004-02-08
2004-02-08 22:59 | User Profile
The following pictures taken from the International Space Station show a discrepancy that must be adequately explained,
[img]http://vancouver.indymedia.org/uploads/iss006e32103.jpg[/img] [img]http://vancouver.indymedia.org/uploads/iss006e39746.jpg[/img]
[color=red]Can anyone explain the reason there are no stars in the 2nd, yet there are millions in the first?[/color]
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2004-02-09 00:29 | User Profile
This might have to do with the greater albedo of the craft in the second image as opposed to the darker craft in the first. Light reflecting off a bright object means you have to close the lens to take a picture, or you'll burn out your film. If you close the lens enough to take an pic of the close, high-albedo image, you won't have any stars.
They've taken infrared pictures of galaxies from orbiting telescopes and there's no hanky-panky involved with that. Just some very expensive camera rigs and lots of serious adjusting to get useful images.
I wouldn't assume everything NASA does is a hoax. They have cleaned up images for the public, which was foolish because it made them look suspicious.
2004-02-09 00:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar]I wouldn't assume everything NASA does is a hoax.[/QUOTE]
Of course not everything NASA does is a hoax, but the moon landings were definitely faked.
Ragnar, name for me the sources of the light illuminating the space station in both of the photos. This will help figure things out.
2004-02-09 01:04 | User Profile
As Ragner points out, it's all a matter of light level. The first picture is taken in the dark while the second is taken in the day.
The source of light in the first is reflected light. The source of light in the second would be direct sunlight.
If NASA faked the photos, surely by now they would have figured out to put a fake star background in all their photos.
If you want to see how pathetic a real conspiracy looks, look at Bush's attempt con the public about Iraq's WMDs. The people at NASA are not so smart and loyal that they could fake such a thing without someone leaking the truth or without a major piece of evidence of fraud showing up.
2004-02-09 01:20 | User Profile
I worked for an Aerospace company at the Johnson Space Center for 3 1/2 years, 1974 to 1977. I worked on non-manned stuff, and helped build a couple of Shuttle simulators to train astronauts for the upcoming Shuttle flights . I think Skylab was not occupied while I was at GSC. The only manned flight that took place these years was the Apollo/Soyuz. There was a little deception on Apollo/Soyuz. The TV coverage made it look like first the Apollo maneuvered around the Soyuz, then the Soyuz maneuvered around the Apollo. The truth is, the Soyuz was not that capable, so the Apollo repeated the maneuver twice and the second circuit the camera angles were shown from the perspective of the Soyuz. Without the background, you canââ¬â¢t tell. All-on-all, a minor thing.
I knew lots of engineers, and bean-counters that worked on the Apollo flights --- it seems unlikely that no one would have let it slip. Never saw or heard anything that would prompt me to doubt the larger picture. I keep an open mind, though.
If there is anything that has always bothered me, itââ¬â¢s not the lack of stars --- That could be accounted for by camera settings --- Itââ¬â¢s the lack of pictures of the Earth from the surface of the moon. It would have been overhead at all times. It always seemed strange that there were so few pictures of it. Any of the astronauts could have pointed a camera at it. I would think we would have seen scads of these.
I suspect the major events went off pretty much as we were shown on tele. To be fair though, I had a professor at Texas A & M, a weird little pure genius guy. He worked as a consultant on the Apollo flights. Before I went into the Navy in 68, he told me that the complexity of the moon landings made them impossible. I saw him again after the landings, and he didnââ¬â¢t mention the subject. I donââ¬â¢t read much into this, PHD mathematicians are mostly inept at things other than math.
Enkidu
2004-02-09 02:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]If NASA faked the photos, surely by now they would have figured out to put a fake star background in all their photos...[/QUOTE]
Right, that's the part that ought to nip it.
They can do anything with digital animation so there would be no problem with the stars coming out however they wanted.
George Lukas said he did part of the latest episode of Star Wars on his home Mac. Anybody with Photoshop could touch up NASA's images for almost nothing.
2004-02-09 02:58 | User Profile
The moon landing was certainly not a hoax. If it hadn't happened, then most of the international scientific community would've had to have been in on the scam. That includes the USSR, which was in heated competition with the US in the so-called "Space Race" of the middle of the last century. That the USSR would cooperate with the US to make the US look like the victor in that race seems highly implausible.
Any national, university, or independent scientific group that seeks to confirm that human beings have been on the moon can probably take advantage of the reflector left on the moon by astronauts. Laser signals can be bounced off of it and then detected again back on earth, and that method has been used to determine the earth's distance to the moon to within 2 centimeters.
A good website that clears up a lot of confusion about the so-called "Moon Hoax" is here:
[url]http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/[/url]
Skepticism is a good thing and should be encouraged, but we shouldn't take it too far.
2004-02-09 03:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]The moon landing was certainly not a hoax. If it hadn't happened, then most of the international scientific community would've had to have been in on the scam. That includes the USSR,....[/QUOTE]
[color=red]That is correct most of the international scientific community would've had to have been in on the scam.
Jews ran both the Soviet space program and NASA (still do).
This is why the USSR never pointed out the obvious hoax.
Although, the Soviet leadership would have loved to have pointed out the hoax, their space scientists never pointed it out to them. Just like NASA never pointed it out to the US government. It was just a matter of Jews taking the money, anyones money, and not getting caught.[/color]
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]The source of light in the first is reflected light. The source of light in the second would be direct sunlight.[/QUOTE]
[color=red]Refected from what exactly -- you are probably not thinking too straight on this issue.[/color]
2004-02-09 14:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Jews ran both the Soviet space program and NASA (still do).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It was just a matter of Jews taking the money, anyones money, and not getting caught.[/QUOTE]
I think you are taking the "Blame the Jew" theme a little too far with these comments. Next, you will be blaming the jew for the Iran earthquake a few weeks ago.
Don't water down the seriousness of the jewish problem with nonsense like this.
Dan
2004-02-09 19:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Dan B] Don't water down the seriousness of the jewish problem with this.
Dan[/QUOTE] What you see here is a Jew plying his trade, making sure that a fact they do not like is not taken seriously. The give away is the comment "Next, you will be blaming the jew for the Iran earthquake a few weeks ago."
I continuously hear this particular comment from Jews (usually when discussing Israel /WW2/911).
If one was trying to hide the fact that Jews ran both the Soviet space program and NASA, what would you do? Yes, first one would say what Dan has said.
2004-02-10 05:59 | User Profile
You're only here to fill the board with inane posts in the hopes that they will discourage new folks from reading the valuable information and insights throughout this site. When are you going to begin posting the Alien Autopsy photos and stories? :glare:
2004-02-10 16:51 | User Profile
Hi SummersDay,
[QUOTE]What you see here is a Jew plying his trade,[/QUOTE]
Wrong. I do not have a drop of Jewish blood in my veins.
[QUOTE]making sure that a fact they do not like is not taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
You have yet to prove the "fact" that NASA and the Russian space agency are run by Jews who are perpetrating a hoax on the rest of the world.
My point was that ridiculous claims like this detract from the real issues of the jewish problem.
Have you ever heard of the story of the boy who cried wolf?
Dan
2004-02-10 18:59 | User Profile
Oy VAT! Not this crap.
[QUOTE=SummersDay]Of course not everything NASA does is a hoax, but the moon landings were definitely faked.
Ragnar, name for me the sources of the light illuminating the space station in both of the photos. This will help figure things out.[/QUOTE]
2004-02-10 22:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Don't you know, Roy, everybody who doesn't believe in grand conspiracies about Freemasons, is really a Jew or an agent of the Jews?[/QUOTE]
[color=red]Freemasons and Jews have an alliance which rules the US.[/color]
However, they are not the same.
2004-02-10 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Don't you know, Roy, everybody who doesn't believe in grand conspiracies about Freemasons, UFO's, Whitley Stryber's meetings with aliens, etc. is really a Jew or an agent of the Jews?[/QUOTE]
What's your take on Strieber, AY?
2004-02-10 23:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Why is it that everyone who claims to have encountered aliens describes them as something that bears an uncanny resemblance to hydrocephalic children.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps that's just what these particular manifestations actually look like.