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2004-02-05 21:20 | User Profile
Faust, Heritagelost, Sertorious, TD, and any other Soutnerners here,
Have any of you heard of this project? It calls for all Southeners to emigrate to South Carolina in order to gain control of some key districts and vote in Secessionists. It is on many of the Confederate sites and sounded good until I got to the last paragraph, which I highlighted with bold print. The last paragraph has seeds of destruction. How can one preserve Southern Anglo-Celtic culture by inviting every "peoples of every race, religion, political persuasion and ethnic group now in South Carolina and across the USA."? I wonder if he plans to import illegal Mestizos to meet the quota? They will agree to anything to stay but they will not help preserve our culture.
The Confederate State of America Project By Ron Holland His E-mail is [email]dixiedailynews@yahoo.com[/email]
Maybe itââ¬â¢s time for us Southerners to take a page from the New Hampshire State Motto and decide to ââ¬ÅLive Free or Dieââ¬Â ââ¬â Ron Holland
The CSA Project is a call to all conservative & liberty loving people of Dixie & the United States to join the last crusade & final defense of all Christendom, western civilization & limited constitutional government. Put aside your organizational infighting, your religious, racial, class or ethnic differences and come together as one people under God and stand up for the best values and traditions of the South and the real America. For this is the last chance for the resurrection of freedom and liberty on the American continent before the darkness of tyranny at home and empire conquest abroad falls over us all and we are a great nation and people no more.
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The Confederate State of America Project State Is South Carolina
By an organized plan to relocate thousands to South Carolina or even the threat of this population shift, we can have a real impact on politics in the state. The existence or fear of a large enough political majority in South Carolina for our views will immediately change the views of the state political leadership and the legislature. Washington bureaucrats and their local flunkies will see the handwriting on the wall for their heavy handed tactics against a growing majority of the citizens of the state of South Carolina. The public schools will return under local and regional control where they belong. Christian values will again be highlighted in school and government across the state while toleration for other views is respected and defended. The media to survive will again begin to express the will of the people or else will be forced to leave the state for lack of readership and advertising revenue. Even judges, lawyers and the legal system will have a rebirth of integrity and conscience as juries refuse to be intimidated and corrupt lawyers, judges together with politicians, principals, teachers, editors and others suddenly see the light and errors of their ways.
We will again be the majority if only in one state at first but think about how our example could over time return the real America with our traditional values, symbols and respect for honor and integrity back into a decentralized Republic and confederation that would be recognized and supported by great men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. They might marvel and be a little surprised at how 19th century prejudices against women and other minorities had vanished in a confederation where everyone had equal opportunity and the option to succeed or fail. They would probably applaud a state or country where the rights of others who did not share the personal practices, political views or religious ethics of the majority were strongly protected because conservative, Christian Americans well understand and remember the tyranny of an earlier time when Washington bureaucrats and PC Naziââ¬â¢s did not protect the rights and freedom of expression of conservative, Christian Southerners.
We must move and take peaceful electoral control of one or more states in order to declare our independence from the socialistic ideas and evil philosophies of those who now lord over us. There is no time left for education and plenty of Americans share our values and views and all we need are a fraction of them to become Freedom Pioneers and tip the balance of the bought and paid for voting blocks and special interests money and lobbying where they can not steal another election. After we win the state at the legislative and local levels, then we put into practice the traditional views of limited government, private property, morality and free-markets together with the toleration and live-and-let-live philosophy the South has always had for those outside the mainstream of traditional religious and political thought. We can how show the political, religious and economic views of our American and Confederate Founding Fathers indeed work better than the top down tyranny of the Washington elites and their destructive, parasitic foreign and domestic special interests.
Of Course Our Adversaries Will Attack Us Once Again But Whatââ¬â¢s New About This!
Yes, the enemies of liberty and defenders of Washington tyranny and controls will say, we are trying to re-establish the Confederate States of America. Our unqualified answer should be, no, we are trying to resurrect the original Republic and the Articles of Confederation established by our Patriot Founding Fathers. First we resolved to leave the tyranny, controls and perpetual war forced on the American colonies by the distant and out of control British Empire.
Today, it is time to peacefully make this decision again in the early years of the 21st century. It is not just for our freedom we pledge to become Freedom Pioneers in order to rebuild and resurrect the nation of our Founding Fathers and Confederate Forefathers first in one state, South Carolina. We are doing this to show and lead the way for all Americans back to our roots of limited government, maximum liberty and economic prosperity without the expensive, heavy -handed weight of the Washington Empire on our backs. We also are doing this for freedom throughout the world to show there is an alternative to the big government of the American Union, the European Union and other nations and peoples suffering under top down political tyranny and controls.
We seek to again become a light unto all the world as was the original American Republic. Will you join us in The Confederate State of America Project to prove to the world the wisdom, freedom and economic prosperity possible under a very decentralized confederation form of government. One doesnââ¬â¢t have to look any further than Switzerland or Canada to see the economic benefits. Finally, let us add Southern and American toleration for those with differing views, backgrounds and most importantly our vision of Christian liberty, morality and values in our society.
It is time to show the world our vision of peace, private property and ordered liberty to a western world submerging under out of control foreign immigration, foreign views and religious practices while our politicians fiddle like Nero did in Rome attempting to make the last buck and power-play before the best of western civilization vanishes from the earth.
Our goal is a very limited central government, free markets and maximum personal liberties and private freedoms with most powers retained and programs administered at the state, local and private sectors of society.
Remember, the original Confederate States of America peacefully withdraw from the American Union, after itââ¬â¢s unlawful takeover and control by Lincoln and his northeastern business establishment interests out to rape and pillage the Southern states through confiscatory unconstitutional tariffs and political tyranny. The South did not seek independence for independence sake but rather in a last ditch attempt to save the philosophy and ideals of the original American Republic at least in Dixie until such time when the original founding principles of the United States were again politically practiced in Washington and economically in the manufacturing centers of the northeast.
[B]This is our plan for South Carolina and The Confederate State of America project. To build a homeland for the original views of liberty, religious practice, history and culture of America and our Southland. [U]This is a heritage of freedom loving peoples of every race, religion, political persuasion and ethnic group now in South Carolina and across the USA.[/U] If you support and want to have the opportunity to continue to live and practice your traditional religious values, celebrate your history and live in a voluntary society where people and the private sector take preference over distant politicians and corporate special interests, then sign up as a supporter and Freedom Pioneer with The Confederate State of America Project.[/B]
What you can do to help now!
Send in your e-mail and current state or nation of residence with ââ¬ÅGo SCââ¬Â in the subject column. E-mail [email]dixiedailynews@yahoo.com[/email]
Forward this article to all of your Southern and freedom loving friends across the internet by clicking on the ââ¬ÅTo Forward This Columnââ¬Â link at the top of the page and then filling in their e-mail addresses and maybe adding a brief comment by you on your support for the project. Or send this URL to your friends. [url]http://www.southerncaucus.org/268.htm[/url]
2004-02-05 21:28 | User Profile
It just so happens that I might be moving to Charleston, SC this Spring. However, this is the first time I've ever heard of this.
There are a lot of people out there that make a living milking money out of Conservatives. I can't help but automatically think that the guy running this project is one of them.
2004-02-05 21:54 | User Profile
Memo from cranky old Yankee:
The good news: The South will rise again and have its Confederacy...
The bad news: ... because the union is in full collapse.
Ambrose Bierce, you should have lived to see this. (The original Cranky Yankee.)
2004-02-05 22:26 | User Profile
Ron Holland is an idiot who thinks he can ingratiate himself with negroes. Apparently he also believes that the US would permit SC to secede again. Not that I wouldn't like to try it, but not with good ol' Ron.
2004-02-05 22:47 | User Profile
Actually, the problem starts in the first paragraph:
"Put aside your organizational infighting, your religious, racial, class or ethnic differences and come together as one people under God and stand up for the best values and traditions of the South and the real America."
Isn't South Carolina also among the most negroid states in the nation?
If this fairly tale ever came true, the system would declare South Carolina one big military base and take over easily. Though I am a seccessionist at heart, this is one of the lesser proposals I've seen.
Our best chance at salvaging the Articles came in 1861. I prefer focusing on racial/ethnic issues, especially in Europe right now, where small groups can have more impact.
2004-02-05 23:17 | User Profile
South Carolina is one third black making it one of the most black states. It might be the third blackest. However, it has a low overall population overall. There are other states that have more blacks than SC, but actually have lower ratios.
Also, South Carolina probably has the most non-Southern whites of any deep south state with the possible exception of Florida.
At any rate, it is completely absurd to think that huge numbers of people will actually move. Where will all these thousands get jobs at?
2004-02-06 01:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Buster]Actually, the problem starts in the first paragraph:
"Put aside your organizational infighting, your religious, racial, class or ethnic differences and come together as one people under God and stand up for the best values and traditions of the South and the real America."
Isn't South Carolina also among the most negroid states in the nation?
If this fairly tale ever came true, the system would declare South Carolina one big military base and take over easily. Though I am a seccessionist at heart, this is one of the sillier proposals I've seen.
Our best chance at salvaging the Articles came in 1861. I prefer focusing on racial/etchnic issues, especially in Europe right now.[/QUOTE]
I missed that first sentence but I guess I was just skimming to just get the high points on how he was to accomplish this.
2004-02-06 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]South Carolina is one third black making it one of the most black states. It might be the third blackest. However, it has a low overall population overall. There are other states that have more blacks than SC, but actually have lower ratios.
Also, South Carolina probably has the most non-Southern whites of any deep south state with the possible exception of Florida.
At any rate, it is completely absurd to think that huge numbers of people will actually move. Where will all these thousands get jobs at?[/QUOTE]
Actually, Heritage, where you are moving, Charleston, is a white oasis, in the midst of blackdom. Most of the counties between Columbia and the coast are highly black and very poor. It is these counties that bring down the SC's ranking on the education and poverty scales. The upper part of the state, where I live, is more white. All of the above facts are true. It seems that every time a new plant opens up, it is only outsiders that are hired for the professional and skilled jobs, even though we have local talent that can do them.
Heritage, this plan is posted on the SC LOS site and obviously they of all people should have thought over the above points and I may write them a letter tomorrow and speak about my reservations with a charter member that I know.
What groups are there to join? None seem to want to appear "racist". Also, give me a lowdown on some of the popular groups: LOS, SCV, UDC, etc. Is there one that is not politically correct?
2004-02-06 02:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ruffin]Ron Holland is an idiot who thinks he can ingratiate himself with negroes. Apparently he also believes that the US would permit SC to secede again. Not that I wouldn't like to try it, but not with good ol' Ron.[/QUOTE]
I don't know his story. I was looking for a group to join. I like the idea of sucession but I see many problems. For instance, if SC was to try to sucede from the US and accomplished it, it would have internal problems from the blacks, resident liberal yankees, and the brainwashed Southern whites. They would cooperate with the US government. Also the military might of the US would be sent down and any rebellion would be crushed. When I talked about these problems with a SC LOS charter member I know, he told me that I see the glass as half empty and not as half full. I told him that you need to examine why the glass is half full if you want to fill it. i would like to succede as much as they do, but these people are just optimistic and not looking at reality.
2004-02-06 21:04 | User Profile
palmetto.org
LEAGUE OF THE SOUTH NEWS SERVICE 31 JANUARY 2003 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE RE: THE CONFEDERATE STATE PROJECT
Dr. Michael Hill Opposes The Confederate State of America Project
The League of the South has always encouraged its members and friends to ââ¬Åthink outside the box,ââ¬Â and our Northeast Texas coordinator Cory Burnell, author of the Confederate States Project, has done just that. The emigration of Southern nationalists to certain rural areas is certainly one means by which we can influence others of like mind. More importantly, it is a means by which our people can begin once again to cultivate a way of life more in line with our traditions as Southerners. At present, there are several small, but growing, communities of our people spread all across the South.
Emigration of traditionalist Southerners to particular areas is really not the issue in question here. The issue is the wisdom and feasibility of having 50,000 people (I believe that is the correct figure) move to a single rural Southern State (South Carolina, Alabama, or Mississippi). The first concern that readily comes to mind is that there are probably not 50,000 people in the current Southern movement (SCV, UDC, League of the South, etc.). Even if there were, and all of them moved to South Carolina, they would still constituted only a small percentage of the voting population. Moreover, this would strip every other Southern State of its nucleus of Southern nationalists.
You cannot convince me that if we did our job in recruiting the Southern people to our cause that we could not find at least 250,000 people in each Southern State who agree with us on the major issues and would be candidates to join the League or some other branch of the Southern movement. In my mind, that is where our efforts should be focused. Yes, recruitment is often a hard, slow, and unglamorous businessââ¬âsort of like General Forrestââ¬â¢s determination to see that all his menââ¬â¢s horses were properly shod before a big fight. It is a meticulous task, but one that is absolutely necessary (sort of like a foundation that underpins a magnificent structure). These are the details over which we dare not skip for grander projects. A successful recruiting drive would preclude the need for natives of Tennessee, Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, etc., etc. to uproot themselves from their family lands and move to South Carolina or some other State in which this project might be undertaken. I am an Alabamian, this is my home, and I plan to do my fighting while firmly rooted to the soil of my native land. I love the other Southern States, but they are not my home.
While there are certain advantages to concentrating your numbers and power in a limited geographical area, there are other drawbacks. First of all, if you put all your eggs in one proverbial basket it makes you an easier target for your enemies. Instead of having to contend with many geographical centers of resistance, they have to deal with only one. Second, because the Southern movement is still in its infancy, we need to learn first how to exert influence on the margins. This is not to say that we desire to be ââ¬Åmarginalized,ââ¬Â far from it; rather, it means that we are now best positioned to influence issues, elections, etc. in which a little leverage can effect big changes in a number of States and localities. Taken together, these small victories can mount up into larger and larger ones with time and patience.
I see well the earnest desires of those who support this project to get the first brick out of the wall, as it were, toward Southern independence. It is tempting to think that if we could somehow pull South Carolina (or Alabama or Mississippi) out of the Union, then other States would follow. But what would be left for them to follow with? Again, to concentrate the bulk of Southern nationalists in one State would of necessity mean that there would be precious few left in the other Southern States to prepare the way for independence in those States. Chances are, once the CSA Project succeeded in getting South Carolina out, then the process would have to be repeated in the next State in order to have the same effect there. In the meantime, what would happen to South Carolina with the full force of the empire arrayed against it?
In other words, we need uniform growth in the Southern movement all across Dixie. If we have this, the first State to go out of the union will have a much better chance of receiving vital support from other States if there are viable Southern nationalist organizations already working in those other Southern States. This scenario requires something that has always been in short supply within our movement: patience. Not the false definition that means sitting by, twiddling your thumbs, and waiting for something to happen. It means getting up everydayââ¬âday in and day out--and doing all those little things that, taken together all across the South, will eventually add up to our independence. Barring a miracle from God (and I think it is nothing short of a miracle that we even have a Southern movement today), this is the way we will achieve our goals.
If you were planning to move from your current location anyhow, it would make perfect sense to move to South Carolina or to some other largely rural State or local community. Forming communities of like-minded folks has always been in the forefront of the Leagueââ¬â¢s program. But spending our time and energy at this juncture trying to effect a massive emigration to one Southern State is, in my opinion, an unwise and premature move.
Michael Hill
Killen, Alabama
2004-02-06 23:20 | User Profile
There are 100's of reasons why this plan is stupid.
I have a better idea. How about of the whites in South Carolina start a campaign to convince Negroes that it is better in Detroit, Chicago, and NYC. Start a program to help blacks move North to make a whiter South Carolina.
The only way that seccesion is possible is if their is a NATION-WIDE seccesionist movement that mutually agrees to break up the nation.
For example. The biggest and strongest seccesionist movement is in Alaska. Vermont and Arizona have been mentioned in the news recently as having seccesionist tendancies.
The only way to thwart the Federal Government through seccesion is if many states spread out across the country want to seccede.
Rather than saying "All Whites Go Here." It would be better to declare certain areas off limits for whites. If all whites move out of California and give over to the Mexicans. Then California would want to seccede and the issue would polarize the rest of the country.
2004-02-07 01:37 | User Profile
Southerners, rebels, as u r 150 years later Good Men I root for you ok ? facts of life are facts of life negroes are not our equal but they still deserve to live Government nor Statehood will save the White Man
Rip it on the street You dont Understand Negroes know they are inferior, but by us keeping on telling them we turn them in to enemies its truly our cross to bear, like a stupid younger brother its just a fact of life man if it werent for us, they wouldnt even know how to bake bread.. unreal and i am willing to help you, show me the way this democracy where every four legged biped gets to vote is pathetic I told you all in other posts that I believe in Monarchy Otherwise I guess you can vote for GWB or Kerry, Skull and Bones Satanists and your son or now daughter can die in Iraq because she's only worth 27 cents on the dollar anyway **** THIS I am so mad at the system It disgusts me to even hold a dollar bill in my hand, I feel like I am holding a piece of black magic evil propaganda WAKE UP we cannot be a democracy, we have to entrust our leadership in divine rule. They KNOW it... let us be free of this we need a King, I have no trust in the self serving needs of the people.. do away with it
2004-03-14 21:48 | User Profile
Though sometimes I think Micheal Hill is a legend in his own mind, he has a point here. A phenomenon that I have seen in the last seven or so years since I moved back to the rural Georgia county of my birth and my heritage is not white flight from the Africanization of Atlanta, but Southron flight from suburban counties filling up with Carpetbaggers and illigal aliens chasing after a dollar bill. You see, places like Gwinnett County have a certain New Jerseyesque stench to them these days. Thus, many Southerners are moving to my local because the lifestyle here is more agrarian. That is the situation at present.
The outlook for the future is not so bright, however. My county is an hour and a half away from Atlanta, with a major interstate freeway intersecting the entire length of it. Alas, last fall an Atlanta developer bought a very substantial parcel of land not far from the interstate. He is building an 18 hole golf course and a large sub division of houses in the $500-$750 thousand dollar range. Rootless Cosmo Corporatists are coming to town folks. As a result of all of this, one thousand acre parcels are being bought all over the county now and being split up into one and two acre lots. In a few years I'm sure the atmosphere will have taken a turn for the worse here.
A month ago I had to make several trips to the south and west of here. The counties in that area of the state are heavily negro in population percentage. However, it is a very sparsely populated area and you can travel several miles on the main highway without seeing any dwelling at all. Land is dirt cheap, and for the most part, the negros know who they are and what they are. All the troublemakers have moved to Atlanta or some other big city.
I have tentatively decided to sell my house and my ten acres of land after a couple of years when the value of it ineveitably rises, and then go buy 40 acres in one of the more remote counties and build an even better house for half of what I'll get for my present house. But best of all, I will be in an area that will not experience suburbanization in my lifetime, if ever. There are enough Southrons in the area to have a social life and not be isolated, and the persuit of The True and The Good is more important than the persuit of temporal things like money and power.
There are many places like this tucked away in out of the way places all over the South. Maybe that is our future if we want to maintain our culture and way of life. Besides, I'd rather have Uncle Remus or Lightenin' Hopkins living a quarter mile down the road than one of "The Chosen" in the neighborhood, constantly probing for an opening to litigate me and everybody else into oblivion.
2004-03-18 01:03 | User Profile
As bad as that is, fact is that you all ( I mean y'all ) should buy the land then. We are all Americans.. Maybe if Southereners didn't sell so much land then the Jersey Yanks wouldn't be there.. bind together financially is all you can do.. looks like a case of the almighty buck trumping your way of life, but get used to it or fight it economically, because even though you feel bitter you can't stop another American from buying the land he chooses to buy and it's not a criminal act for him or his group to do so. I respect your feelings, but money doesn't talk, it swears..
2004-03-18 02:07 | User Profile
The movement expressed here is exactly what I would like to help link with the [B]Native American National Racial Alliance[/B].
It connects [I]de facto[/I] many "deviant" radical groups through: [B]blood, soil, tradition, history, America[/B] under the singe line drawn in the divisons of the Bible: The One-sided cross. (thou cans't not both crucify him and love him, Simon) And the principle of breeding the Spirit of a nation as a race (as in Germany and the U.S., post-1800, in their respective ways). (Fichte: "A man cannot love himself without being able to love the nation of which he is a part under the image of eternity." This is not possible for Americans today.)
The [B]NANRA[/B] token-eponymy is a variant of [B]NANAR[/B] , The Sumerian deity identified with [B]SIN[/B] (often referred to as [B]NANAR/SIN[/B] as single moon-calendar deity whose Ziggarut was at ancient Ur, east of Babylon-Baghdad in northeast Turkey today, from where Terah, Abraham's father, no doubt a priest of the learned cult, had migrated from Kish, domain of the Elilite [B]Ninurta[/B] . Kish was where kinship was "bestowed" on the Sumerians, the first time it existed on earth ("gods" having previously ruled). The Hebrew ([I]"ibiri"[/I], 12th planet token-morph, according to Z. Sitchin) calendar dates from there, 5,700 annuals ago. Thus, [B]NANRA[/B] today, reproduces the ancient token, going directly to pre-Old Testament sources for historical sanction, by-passing the YHWH-entity entirely, whatever it was. (Melchisideks of Gen. 18? are recognized at "Salem" by Abraham, presumably through connections with the Sumerian - Egyptian societies -- this wasn't YHWH). Signifying to OT Biblioters that the truth is much, much older than their "religion", if that is what one calls a long-exhausted (psychologically speaking) cargo-cult system as a way of being. (Mordecai = [B]MARDUK[/B] ; Megillat Esther; Marduk was supreme "national" civil religion God, circa 2000 bc, after the Ram of Aries pushed the Bull of Taurus out of the morning/evenign skies in teh zodiac. Pasces inaugurated a new kingdom. The Jews today want to cause havoc by re-instituting the Hebrew calendar for their financial empires, to perpetuate Mardukism, and the very cruel age of Ram(ses), based on group renewal through child sacrifice. That means perpetual low-grade ritualized slaughter.
I am going to now read the posts with great relish. Regards to all. [url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12767[/url]
2004-03-18 17:35 | User Profile
The best I've come up with is the PDP, the Party of the Displaced Posterity. I think it'd appeal more to our racially nervous brethren and to so many of them who're still dreamily attached to the (Hebrewless) American founders' phraseology. For people who will more readily admit to wanting their country back than to racial reality, it describes their predicament now. The meaning is there but is couched in the form of justice, which is what they're wary of (thanks Jews) with direct racial appeals.
Of course any organization will be shortly recognized by all as another hate-group.
2004-03-18 19:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]As bad as that is, fact is that you all ( I mean y'all ) should buy the land then. We are all Americans.. Maybe if Southereners didn't sell so much land then the Jersey Yanks wouldn't be there.. bind together financially is all you can do.. looks like a case of the almighty buck trumping your way of life, but get used to it or fight it economically, because even though you feel bitter you can't stop another American from buying the land he chooses to buy and it's not a criminal act for him or his group to do so. I respect your feelings, but money doesn't talk, it swears..[/QUOTE]
Well, it's not Yankees per se. I well know that I have many allies from north of the Mason Dixon line. The projection of "money swearing" is Shecky's MO. Unfortunately, too many white gentiles from all parts of Amerika have bought into it, and thus sold their soul to Shecky. Too many people around here have bought into the temporal and care more for assuging their appitites than cleansing their souls. Rural Southerners are as fallable as anyone else, and therefore just as apt to be taken in by Shecky's three card monty game.
2004-03-18 22:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]There are 100's of reasons why this plan is stupid.
I have a better idea. How about of the whites in South Carolina start a campaign to convince Negroes that it is better in Detroit, Chicago, and NYC. Start a program to help blacks move North to make a whiter South Carolina.[/QUOTE]
Why did so many blacks move to Detriot?
They heard there was no work there.
2004-03-20 09:56 | User Profile
What a combination: libertarians, yankees, devil-worshippers-->it's hard to tell which is worse! No wonder the South is in such dire straights... :saddam: