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Thread ID: 12163 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2004-02-05
2004-02-05 15:33 | User Profile
Caught this debate as I was scanning the "news" last night. It looks like the Catholics have finally had enough of being smeared and ridiculed.
Donohue lets the Weaselthal Center stooge have both barrels. :bash:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/04/pzn.00.html[/url]
It's about halfway down the page.
I'm gonna download this one to the hard drive, because it may not be around for long.
"Now, you will not rewrite the New Testament for Christians in this country!"
:cheers:
2004-02-05 22:43 | User Profile
Great post. Here's the text of the interview.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PAULA ZAHN, HOST: Gentlemen, welcome. Delighted to have both of you with us this evening. Bill, I'm going to start with you tonight. If the final cut has this deletion, does that mean Mel Gibson is admitting that that scene was anti-Semitic?
BILL DONOHUE, PRES., CATHOLIC LEAGUE: No, what it means is that Mel Gibson had the common sense not to allow his critics an opportunity to try to attack him on one line. The fact of the matter is, I've seen the movie twice. It wasn't in either version. Rabbi Hier has seen it once. It wasn't in his version. This is not a matter of pressure, it's a matter of Mel Gibson simply saying it's not that critical to the movie. And if people want to make a big deal about that one line, I'm going to take it out. The fact of the matter is, the people who really hate the movie and are out to destroy Mel Gibson on this are still not going to be satisfied.
ZAHN: Rabbi Hier, are you satisfied if this scene goes?
RABBI MARVIN HIER, SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER: First of all, I saw the movie twice. On both occasions, that line was not in there. And the movie is absolutely horrible, as far as Jews are concerned.
COLLINS: Why?
HIER: Because it entirely blames Jews, all of the Jews, not only the high priests but everyone in the mob, hundreds of people. They all look -- their presentation is negative. They have these Rasputin- like features. They never say an intelligent word in a two-hour movie, which is unbelievable. The only Jews that come off as moderates and sensitive are the Jews who follow Jesus. And so there's only one conclusion. Who created all this inhumanity against Jesus? And the answer would be a resounding, The Jews.
COLLINS: All right, let me ask you this, Bill. Did you think the characterizations of all the Jews Rabbi Hier just mentioned that he saw in the film are fair characterizations?
DONOHUE: No, I think he's living in la-la land. As a matter of fact, he's going to be thoroughly embarrassed when the average person looks at this movie and they're going to say, What was the fuss about? As Jack Valenti said, What is the fuss about? This is not an anti- Semitic movie, unless you have a need, a deep-seated need to find anti-Semitism and then to attack Christians, which is what Abe Foxman and others have done. This is not an anti-Semitic movie. The pope has endorsed it. People from the Vatican have endorsed it, most Catholics who have seen it, including Jews and Protestants. So are we all a bunch of bigots, Rabbi Hier?
HIER: Excuse me, this is not about Catholics and Jews, nothing to do about Christianity, even though that's the line you're pushing. This has all to do with Mel Gibson. And the pope did not endorse this film. The pope never said, It is as it was.
DONOHUE: He did say that, but the Vatican is backtracking! But I'm telling you, Rabbi, you've contributed to it! Do not poison relationships between Christians and Jews by acting like as if there's going to be pogroms in the street! You know it's a lie! There have never been pogroms in the United States! Let's stop with the incendiary language!
COLLINS: All right, Bill, let's let the rabbi respond to that. But I know you have a six-page letter that you will release publicly tomorrow for the first time. Are you essentially saying if there is violence after this film is released that it has something to do with the critics of this film, that it's the Jews' fault?
DONOHUE: No, what I -- just the opposite. I'm saying that the charge of violence is coming from people like Foxman and Paula Friedrickson (ph) and Rabbi Hier bringing up the Holocaust and everything to make Christians feel on the defensive.
ZAHN: Rabbi Hier?
HIER: That is absolute nonsense. It's the kind of rhetoric that Mr. Donohue has been...
DONOHUE: What's nonsense?
HIER: Total nonsense that anybody is anti-Christian. What we said is, this film portrays Jews, all Jews, horribly. This was a Mel Gibson choice, nothing to do with the New Testament, nothing to do with the church. There have been other films on Jesus. No one has portrayed Jews as negative as this.
ZAHN: All right, Rabbi Hier, are you suggesting...
HIER: And that is...
(CROSSTALK)
ZAHN: ... that this will spark violence against Jews in the United States?
HIER: Not at all. What I'm saying -- this negative portrayal in Europe, in the Arab world, will contribute to negative feelings against Jews. When a 16-year-old sees a film like this, it doesn't have to register that he goes off and firebombs a synagogue now. It's just that in his mind, he said, Gee, that's the way the Jews are, because of his negative portrayal of all Jews, which contributes again to the DSI (ph) charge that it was the Jews collectively that were responsible for the death of Jesus.
DONOHUE: You won't get that from this movie! If, in fact, they were showing collective guilt of Jews then, or even in a more demented sense, to fast-forward to blame Jews today, I'd be the first one to condemn it, Rabbi. But the fact of the matter is, it is wrong to suggest that Mel Gibson is portraying most Jews as responsible. He's talking about a select segment of the Jewish authorities who clamored for the death of Jesus. Now, you will not rewrite the New Testament for Christians in this country!
ZAHN: You don't think, in any way, it will contribute to increased hated of Jews? DONOHUE: I will stake my reputation on it right now! People will be paralyzed when they see this movie. They will be breathless. It will bring people back to the church, and it will be a good thing for Catholics and Jews. And the people who are clamoring this -- this rhetoric, this cacophony against Mel Gibson, boy, are they going to have to pay for it when it's all over!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
2004-02-05 23:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge] They have these Rasputin- like features. [/QUOTE] I take offense :dry:
2004-02-06 11:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]I take offense :dry:[/QUOTE]
Ha!
MR - see your PM.
Walter
2004-02-06 13:49 | User Profile
Donohoe has some cajones muy grandes y negros, no?
I nominate Donohoe as next Pope. :lol: Walter
2004-02-06 16:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Great post. Here's the text of the interview.
I'm saying -- this negative portrayal in Europe, in the Arab world, will contribute to negative feelings against Jews. When a 16-year-old sees a film like this, it doesn't have to register that he goes off and firebombs a synagogue now. It's just that in his mind, he said, Gee, that's the way the Jews are, because of his negative portrayal of all Jews, which contributes again to the DSI (ph) charge that it was the Jews collectively that were responsible for the death of Jesus.
DONOHUE: You won't get that from this movie! If, in fact, they were showing collective guilt of Jews then, or even in a more demented sense, to fast-forward to blame Jews today, I'd be the first one to condemn it, Rabbi. But the fact of the matter is, it is wrong to suggest that Mel Gibson is portraying most Jews as responsible. He's talking about a select segment of the Jewish authorities who clamored for the death of Jesus. Now, you will not rewrite the New Testament for Christians in this country! [/QUOTE]
Agreed this last line is one for all times, and I CHEERED!! And respect, support the spirit 100%. However, he is wrong about the import of The Message, as I get it, on no less authority than Cal Thomas :twisted:. The crowd of Jews out there all killed him. And they are all of us, you understand. We're all lost Jews out there calling out "Crucify Him! Cricify Him!" to Pontious. That's our Christian guilt, you understand. Whwt makes Donohue so eager to soften it for the Moral Majority of Jews, pardon me, I mean, humanity? We're talking crucifying the lamb, here. Doesn't he believe in Jesus? Could all be a Matrix thing, you know, like a movie.
I'm afraid he's got Holy Mad Cow taint, but you can't get on TV without it, I guess.
2004-02-06 18:16 | User Profile
You are worried how the muvie makes the Jews look like? For years and years the Jews have been puting out muvies about the Italian Mafia, the barrios drugs dealers, the Germans gansters. the blacks pimps, the asian drug lords.....and so on, and so on,,,,, but if you make a muvie about the Jews murderers, drugs dealers, pimps and so on then it is the end of the world. They can do what ever they feel like and we have to take it? speak for yourself, as you can see I allways post my thoughts about this people, even with my poor English...... Money talks and bullshit walks, if you feel about this people like I do then speak up,,,,,,,wake up America. "When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark,,,,, Ponce