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Foxman Accuses Buckley of Anti-Semitism!

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2004-02-04 03:46 | User Profile

NATIONAL REVIEW/DIGITAL February 9, 2004 Vol. LVI, No. 2

Notes & Asides

Dear Mr. Buckley: Herewith Abe Foxman in his new book, Never Again. He is speaking about "circumstances in which an American military leader . . . might be tempted to abandon our Israeli allies in a time of crisis." He goes on: "This is why I have paid such close attention to the signs of latent anti-Semitism Ã¢â¬â or of flirtation with anti-Semitism Ã¢â¬â in such prominent public figures as Pat Buchanan, Jesse Jackson, William F. Buckley Jr., and Al Sharpton. In time of personal crisis, latent attitudes become explicit, and individuals with influence and authority can do real damage if their attitudes are marred by prejudice and hatred."
Comment?

Joseph De Feo
New York, N.Y.

Dear Mr. De Feo: You have to understand this about Abe Foxman. It is his business to find anti-Semitism, actual or inchoate or non-existent. If anti-Semitism departed from the scene, the Anti-Defamation League would be out of business. (my emphasis) I published a book about anti-Semitism a dozen years ago, and had from Foxman a note pertaining to my exoneration of the Dartmouth Review: "[Your] piece clearly reflects your well-deserved reputation for . . . intellectual honesty and will enlighten all who take the opportunity Ã¢â¬â and show the good sense Ã¢â¬â to read it." Not very long after that, the ADL gave an award to the president of Dartmouth for denouncing the Dartmouth Review, which, Foxman had said after reading my book, was not guilty.

The thing of it is, the ADL under Foxman (his predecessor, the late Nathan Perlmutter, was scrupulously honest, and wrote occasionally for National Review) has these days a Left agenda. I told him as much a few years ago in a letter which I published in this space. "I am pleased," I wrote, "that the ADL has recorded my very long opposition to anti-Semitism. But the ADL is about all kinds of things and you should understand the resentment some who back the basic aim of the ADL feel at being coopted, as you try to do, to such causes as: opposing English-only legislation, resisting a Colorado plebiscite that sought to prevent legislation giving gays special rights, challenging the Catholic bishop's right in Boston to specify what groups could participate in the St. Patrick's Day parade, deploring this & that involving the activities of the National Rifle Association, and applauding the end of the all-male tradition of the Virginia Military Institute."

I have an award in my trunk from the ADL, and continue to honor its anti-discrimination ideals. About a year ago New Republic editor Leon Wieseltier referred to me as the "most distinguished anti-anti-Semite in American Catholicism." Abe has to make a living, but he doesn't do much for anti-discrimination when he bawls out this kind of stuff.

Cordially, WFB

The ultimate chutzpah. Can't you just hear WFB mutter underneath his breath "After all I've done for you Abe". :lol:

I don't know, WFB whining about the ADL's agenda sounds a little bit like MacDonald. Maybe Foxman is right :lol: --- ### Sertorius *2004-02-04 04:43* | [User Profile](/od/user/26) Okie, Maybe he is muttering under his breath. If he wishes to have someone to cry with he should get with Limbaugh. He probably thinks the same thing in view of the Jewish prosecutor of Palm Beach county going after him. One day they will come to the grim realization that you can't please these people. Anyway, it couldn't have happen to a more deserving son of a bitch. Jew fawning doesn't pay. --- ### il ragno *2004-02-04 05:10* | [User Profile](/od/user/85) [QUOTE]"This is why I have paid such close attention to the signs of latent anti-Semitism — or of flirtation with anti-Semitism — in such prominent public figures as Pat Buchanan, Jesse Jackson, William F. Buckley Jr., and Al Sharpton." [/QUOTE] "Flirtation with anti-Semitism: that's a night in the box. Inappropriately raising or waggling the eyebrows when a Jew enters or leaves the room: that's a night in the box. Coughing: any man coughs in a fifty-yard radius of a Jew discussing how much money the world owes us for the Holocaust? Night in the box. You make a Jesus movie:whoo boy, that's a night in the box. Describing someone as a 'neoconservative' or wondering what his name [I]used [/I] to be: you better [U]believe [/U] that's a night in the box."[I] Takin' it off here, boss![/I] What we have here is a failure to exterminate. --- ### madrussian *2004-02-04 05:22* | [User Profile](/od/user/15) Jew fawning doesn't pay because even if one lives up to what zhid desires of the goyim, the highest status the zhid views such person would be that of a disposable subhuman. There is absolutely no sense even trying to consider the zhid anything but an outright enemy with whom no compromise should be made. --- ### Sertorius *2004-02-04 06:49* | [User Profile](/od/user/26) Il Ragno, I see you watched that movie too. :) --- ### il ragno *2004-02-04 07:36* | [User Profile](/od/user/85) One of my favorites. Dragline is [I]the man[/I]! --- ### Sheridan *2004-02-04 08:21* | [User Profile](/od/user/909) What did WFB say to make him pay "close attention?" --- ### Walter Yannis *2004-02-04 16:52* | [User Profile](/od/user/57) The painful truth is that WFB sold us out to the Jewish no-cons. He was the one whose cowardice let Jonah Goldberg and the tres gay Andrew Sullivan in and pushed Joe Sobran, Sam Francis, PJB and so forth out. He was the one who pushed these Trotskyites to the center and relegated true conservatives to the margins. The depths of that man's treason have yet to be plumbed. He's the Bendict Arnold of the conservative movement. May his name be blotted out. Walter :taz: --- ### Ragnar *2004-02-04 17:09* | [User Profile](/od/user/8) [QUOTE=Walter Yannis]He was the one who pushed these Trotskyites to the center and relegated true conservatives to the margins. [/QUOTE] Was that his job in the first place? More and more, Buckley's pre-NR connections with the CIA are making some of us wonder if the present "regime-conservatism" was the goal all along. For interesting insights on some of this, find a copy of Murray Rothbard's *For a New Liberty*. Rothbard always considered Buckley a security state operative, and Rothbard was one of the few consistent and intelligent libertarians who told the truth about these things. Buckley always treated Rothbard like a hopelessly deluded crank. Buckley's frenetic attempts to discredit Rothbard could have been more suspicious than we previously suspected. From this distance, it seems that Rothbard knew his fish. :yes: --- ### DakotaBlue *2004-02-04 19:10* | [User Profile](/od/user/426) [QUOTE=Okiereddust]NATIONAL REVIEW/DIGITAL February 9, 2004 Vol. LVI, No. 2 Notes & Asides Dear Mr. Buckley: Herewith Abe Foxman in his new book, Never Again. He is speaking about "circumstances in which an American military leader . . . might be tempted to abandon our Israeli allies in a time of crisis." He goes on: "This is why I have paid such close attention to the signs of latent anti-Semitism — or of flirtation with anti-Semitism — in such prominent public figures as Pat Buchanan, Jesse Jackson, William F. Buckley Jr., and Al Sharpton. In time of personal crisis, latent attitudes become explicit, and individuals with influence and authority can do real damage if their attitudes are marred by prejudice and hatred."
Comment?

Joseph De Feo
New York, N.Y.

Dear Mr. De Feo: You have to understand this about Abe Foxman. It is his business to find anti-Semitism, actual or inchoate or non-existent. If anti-Semitism departed from the scene, the Anti-Defamation League would be out of business. (my emphasis) I published a book about anti-Semitism a dozen years ago, and had from Foxman a note pertaining to my exoneration of the Dartmouth Review: "[Your] piece clearly reflects your well-deserved reputation for . . . intellectual honesty and will enlighten all who take the opportunity — and show the good sense — to read it." Not very long after that, the ADL gave an award to the president of Dartmouth for denouncing the Dartmouth Review, which, Foxman had said after reading my book, was not guilty.

Cordially, WFB

The ultimate chutzpah. Can't you just hear WFB mutter underneath his breath "After all I've done for you Abe". :lol:

I don't know, WFB whining about the ADL's agenda sounds a little bit like MacDonald. Maybe Foxman is right :lol:[/QUOTE] [B]This sounds so unlike Buckley both in style and content. I'm suspicious. He was the one who betrayed Buchanan by attesting to the fact that, he,Buckley, believed Buchanan was anti-Semitic and said so in NR. To now go after fat Abe is out of character. [/B] --- ### Buster *2004-02-04 20:09* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) "... the "most distinguished anti-anti-Semite in American Catholicism." Translatiion: "our most dependable pseudo-Catholic mouthpiece whose cheap novels will now get lots of good free publicity from the System, thanks to us." --- ### edward gibbon *2004-02-04 23:26* | [User Profile](/od/user/24) [QUOTE]About a year ago New Republic editor [COLOR=Red][B]Leon Wieseltier [/B] [/COLOR] referred to me as the "most distinguished anti-anti-Semite in American Catholicism." Abe has to make a living, but he doesn't do much for anti-discrimination when he bawls out this kind of stuff.[/QUOTE] About 9 months ago I went to a debate at Swarthmore College where Quakers preen themselves about their virtue and high-mindedness. The subject of the debate was the war in the Middle East, then still not fought. Taking the affirmative for American intervention was [COLOR=Red][B]Leon Wieseltier [/B] [/COLOR] who advocated nation building by the United States in the Middle East. After making an ass out of myself in attempting to make those Quakers face the consequences of a disastrous war, one which as ever Quakers would not fight in, I confronted Leon. This creep attempted to intimidate me. If I had the opportunity, I would enjoyed intimidating him to my satisfaction. He truly is loathsome, but somebody Buckley would appreciate. --- ### Walter Yannis *2004-02-05 07:05* | [User Profile](/od/user/57) [QUOTE=Ragnar]Was that his job in the first place? More and more, Buckley's pre-NR connections with the CIA are making some of us wonder if the present "regime-conservatism" was the goal all along.[/QUOTE] Hmmmm . . . that hadn't occurred to me. Although it probably should have. Now that you mention it, I have to say that this would explain an awful lot. WFB was always - ALWAYS - and establishment man. When the guard changed within the establishment, then it shouldn't be surprising that he accommodated himself. At the very least. Maybe he was always a crypto-commie. :shocking: Walter --- ### MadScienceType *2004-02-05 15:29* | [User Profile](/od/user/242) Perhaps my coke-bottle rose-colored glasses are on a bit too snugly, but I see this as a good thing. The neo-cons are starting to eat their own (see the thread on Rorbacher as well) and that's usually a sign of desperation. They're venting their frustrations on the easiest of targets. Look for Joseph Farah, suckpoop extraordinaire, to be grilled since he's nominally "arab" and therefore suspicious. Can throwing Cal Thomas to the wolves be far behind? We can but hope. I also caught Rabbi Marvin Hier squaring off against Catholic League President Bill Donohue last night as I was channel surfing. Of course they were debating Mel Gibson's flick. It was great! Hier was whining the whole time in that grating, nasal tone and Donohue was genuinely pissed off! Even though host Zahn (no conflict of interest there) was obviuously softballing questions to Hier and trying to put Donohue on the defensive, he wasn't backing down an inch. Most memorable quote (referring to deleting the Mathew 27:25 passage)? > "Now" he thundered, "you will not rewrite the New Testament for Christians in this country!" Other choice quotes: > "This is not an anti-Semitic movie, unless you have a need, a deep-seated need, to find anti-Semitism and then to attack Christians, which is what Abe Foxman and others have done." > "I'm saying that the charge of violence is coming from people like Foxman and Paula Friedrickson (ph) and Rabbi Hier bringing up the Holocaust and everything to make Christians feel on the defensive." Ooohrah! Go Mr. Donohue! :gunsmilie Full transcript here, about halfway down. [url]http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/04/pzn.00.html[/url] --- ### Buster *2004-02-05 20:37* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) By the way, if anyone here, especially under 30, hasn't ever read "How I got fired by Bill Buckley" by Joe Sobran, do it now. It tells the long story of Buckley's obsequiousness to the Zionist establishment. It's available around the internet, and probably in the archives at OD. --- ### LT97B *2004-02-08 23:36* | [User Profile](/od/user/815) Bill Buckley has been used and dumped just like the useful idiot we always knew he was. Maybe he will have enough backbone to fire back but I sincerely doubt it. --- ### Bardamu *2004-02-09 00:39* | [User Profile](/od/user/326) [QUOTE=LT97B]Bill Buckley has been used and dumped just like the useful idiot we always knew he was. Maybe he will have enough backbone to fire back but I sincerely doubt it.[/QUOTE] Naw, Buckley is just a broken down old whore. --- ### Buster *2004-02-09 19:31* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) Foxman rips Buckley anyway: [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1990[/url] --- ### Marlowe *2004-02-09 19:47* | [User Profile](/od/user/961) [QUOTE=Buster]By the way, if anyone here, especially under 30, hasn't ever read "How I got fired by Bill Buckley" by Joe Sobran, do it now. It tells the long story of Buckley's obsequiousness to the Zionist establishment. It's available around the internet, and probably in the archives at OD.[/QUOTE] [URL=http://www.southernindependentparty.com/buckley.htm]How I was fired by Bill Buckley[/URL] --- ### TexasAnarch *2004-02-09 21:12* | [User Profile](/od/user/199) [QUOTE=Marlowe][URL=http://www.southernindependentparty.com/buckley.htm]How I was fired by Bill Buckley[/URL][/QUOTE] Long since past 30 x 2, still, I did download and read, and appreciate the reference. It could have been WFB's CIA connection all along that made me hate NR -- never read Sobran or Francis until coming here, never listened to "anti-semitic" talk, [B]because I know how the Vietnam war went downm, and nobody else here seems to appreciate it, still thinking they are American if they supported that, and they are not.[/B], and that was Catholics saving So. Vietnam's Diem through Kennedy. with ****ley pumping iron. For the Jews, as it turned out, now getting what he has coming, in part. Why? Mere ignorance? Or simple shit-for-soul -- as was apparent, at least to me, through his drooling pretentiousness. He was never American, anymore than Slobbermench McCarthy. Or Laos killer David Duke, for that matter. Whoever thinks "anti-communism" is American because Jews thought it up is not American, they are just using it, and whoever they can get to hate with them, which of course is the mark of the jew. So Buckley-****ley is Khazar tribesman foolsprit. So aren't they all. Gotta be anti-Jew without being anti-everything the Jews haved poisoned by their participatioon. Socialism is a good thing, in concept, or the post office wouldn't work. "Privitazing" is Khazar Jew Kagan pathological liar - psychotic killer talk to protect Sephardic Falwell's. No jewpublican is American. Neo-con kin under the Andrew Sulivan's skin. --- ### Kevin_O'Keeffe *2004-02-09 23:52* | [User Profile](/od/user/929) "Bill Buckley has been used and dumped just like the useful idiot we always knew he was. Maybe he will have enough backbone to fire back but I sincerely doubt it." Buckley might as well BE a Jew; he'll never fight back against his own side, beyond his few rather timid remarks about Dishonest Abe (which were acceptable as they are within the parameters of dissent that Jews have within their own community; even some Jews regard Abe as a bit much). The beneficial aspect of this ludicrous claim (the nation's leading philo-Semite is actually an anti-Semite? Come again?) is that some emerging writers & thinkers may as yet be unsure exactly where they come down on the spectrum, as it were. Any "goyim" leaning towards neo-"conservatism" might well be taking note of the fact that the loyalty of the Jews can't be earned, no matter how much one kowtows to them, so why try? --- ### Okiereddust *2004-02-10 01:23* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Buster]Foxman rips Buckley anyway: [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1990[/url][/QUOTE] Hey, they linked us! :thumbsup: --- ### awakened_sleepnomore *2004-02-10 02:13* | [User Profile](/od/user/798) Is anyone really surprised that Mr Foxman and his Ilk are incapable of feeling gratitude or shame? --- ### Buster *2004-02-10 18:36* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) [QUOTE=Marlowe][URL=http://www.southernindependentparty.com/buckley.htm]How I was fired by Bill Buckley[/URL][/QUOTE] The odd thing is, Sobran's own site provides no link to this article, despite my suggestion that he do so. I guess he considers it ancient history. The only objection I have is the subtitle, which was not included in the original but added by someone else. Buckley's Zionism has never been in the closet. Quite the opposite I would say. Incidentally, my hardcopy of this was published by the Center for Libertarian studies in Burlingame, California. Not sure if it still exists. --- ### Buster *2004-02-12 16:48* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) As long as we're on the topic, younger posters should also read the late Murray Rothbard's account of Buckley in his 1992 essay "Strategy for the Right". [url]www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch1.html[/url] --- ### sb11 *2004-02-14 14:52* | [User Profile](/od/user/975) to oppose the brutality of the sharon regime and therefore be called antisemitic is to equate a minority of the violent with all Jews They do not like these synecdoches in peaceloving Schenectady http:/www.jewishveg.com [url]http://www.peacenow.org[/url] ---