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Thread ID: 12101 | Posts: 18 | Started: 2004-02-01
2004-02-01 20:14 | User Profile
[url]http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/grady/nazi.html[/url] IQ's of Nazi leaders tried for war crimes
In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine the Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other tests, a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the results:
1 Hjalmar Schacht 143 2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141 3 Hermann Goering 138 4 Karl Doenitz 138 5 Franz von Papen 134 6 Eric Raeder 134 7 Dr. Hans Frank 130 8 Hans Fritsche 130 9 Baldur von Schirach 130 10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129 11 Wilhelm Keitel 129 12 Albert Speer 128 13 Alfred Jodl 127 14 Alfred Rosenberg 127 15 Constantin von Neurath 125 16 Walther Funk 124 17 Wilhelm Frick 124 18 Rudolf Hess 120 19 Fritz Sauckel 118 20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113 21 Julius Streicher 106
You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of the Nazi Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in The Reich Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.
2004-02-01 23:41 | User Profile
Wow. Good find, Ed. I will keep that.
All of those IQs are well over the average of 102-or-so for middle-class Whites.
2004-02-02 05:28 | User Profile
It should be noted that the tests were given by the Allies during the Nuremberg trials in particularly stressful times for the accused. They all knew that the unprecedented, illegitimate kangaroo court was going to hang them. Moreover, these folks just lost a savage war. I don't think that focusing well on those tests and achieving a good score was of utmost importance to them at that time. Considering the circumstances, I don't know how much weight we should give to the accuracy of their scores -- as truly reflecting their IQs.
Probably in more normal times they would have scored higher.
BTW, JFK had a score of 119; and Bush is estimated to have an IQ of 120 (something I doubt).
2004-02-02 06:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]and Bush is estimated to have an IQ of 120 (something I doubt).[/QUOTE]
He may well have tested at 120 in first grade. Question is, how much damage did the gallons of Jim Beam do over the years?
2004-02-02 07:15 | User Profile
W never actually took an IQ test (as far as we know).
The best we have is his SAT score, from which we can extrapolate a hypothetical IQ score.
See, [url]http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040114-074349-3947r[/url]
2004-02-02 07:22 | User Profile
I'm also tempted to say something about Streicher; the man was hanged by the fweeedom-loving Allies for running a NEWSPAPER -- and not because he committed some "war crime".
2004-02-02 08:14 | User Profile
Was waiting for some one to post on the condition that those honorable men were given those I.Q. tests in 1945.. Very few White Kahnservative's and flag waver's along with Christian Zio nuts, know any real history out side of TV or Time magazine, Readers Digest etc. Nothing in the dual citizen school system or their media will ever tell U.S. that they smashed testicles and beat these men before the trails horribly by Jewish officers.. Many of the officers, at the so called trials, were just put into uniforms within months of the trial, they were not regular military nor did they serve till the end of that tragic so called WW2 war to destroy white Europe.. The British are still stupid as hell thinking it was wonderful loosing millions of whites to suicide fight Germany. I hope Charles could take over, if is awake as I suspect he is. 60 years of [url]www.deliberatedumbingdown.com[/url] has produced a majority of idiots.. TV rules, till allot of U.S. get real hungry that damm TV will stop flickering then.. Voting will not get U.S. out the mess we are in.
2004-02-02 08:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]JFK had a score of 119; and Bush is estimated to have an IQ of 120 (something I doubt).[/QUOTE]
I don't think Shrub is stupid. He's definitely bright normal.
Heck, the man finished a very trying MBA program - he must be above average, and then by a good deal.
I think the problem with the Shrubster is was is often referred to as his "lack of curiousity." He's just one of those guys who finds anything more than one degree removed from his own immediate ego uninteresting.
I know lots of folks just like him. Lawyers, accountants, MBA's. The people that Harvard Law professor (and Roman Catholic theologian) Mary Ann Glendon calls "the emerging class of semi-educated knowledge workers."
These folks can put together a financial or marketing analysis that will knock your socks off, but have absolutely ZERO interest in anything beyond their business deals, Monday Night Football, who's sleeping with whom, the latest Hollywood gossip, and so on.
It's an interesting phenomenon - intellectual talent finely honed to a sharp edge but used exclusively for narrow and utterly banal ends.
Walter
2004-02-02 08:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]I'm also tempted to say something about Streicher; the man was hanged by the fweeedom-loving Allies for running a NEWSPAPER -- and not because he committed some "war crime".[/QUOTE] The sergeant who put the rope around Streicher's neck was told by him as his last words, that the communist would now come for him and his family.. He was shot dead in Korea in 1950, and today his children live in a lost police state where police, peace officers are called Law Inforcement and get weekly notice about how bad ole white men are, and what to look for or what phrase's are evil, like George Washington....
2004-02-02 08:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]He may well have tested at 120 in first grade. Question is, how much damage did the gallons of Jim Beam do over the years?[/QUOTE]
He, he, he...
I question the veracity of these IQ tests. Certainly Streicher possessed keen insight into the nature of the zhids, as well as great literary skills.
2004-02-02 08:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Polish Noble]I question the veracity of these IQ tests. Certainly Streicher possessed keen insight into the nature of the zhids, as well as great literary skills.[/QUOTE]
Just a guess really as I'm no scientist, but white IQs have probably remained more or less consistent over the years, the big difference being quality of education.
And Walter, those folks you are describing sound like the 'metrosexuals' we keep hearing about more and more to our digestive dismay.
2004-02-02 08:40 | User Profile
Streicher, because of his very overt anti-Semitism in [I]Der Stürmer [/I], was repeatedly beaten and tortured by his (jewish) captors. Giving him some IQ test after he went through Hell is laughable.
2004-02-02 14:15 | User Profile
Friedrich,
What does Kennedy's and Bush's I.Q.s have to do with the original post? Just curious.
2004-02-03 07:50 | User Profile
Education or otherwise is no indication of intelligence. Hence so many stupid graduates from worthless colleges.
My Intelligence Quotient is equivalent to that of Grand Admiral DÃâNITZ. But I am not an Admiral in any navy.
2004-02-03 11:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Friedrich,
What does Kennedy's and Bush's I.Q.s have to do with the original post? Just curious.[/QUOTE]
Nothing. I just finished reading Sailer's piece on W and posted his alleged IQ from that article as an aside.
2004-02-03 14:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Nothing. I just finished reading Sailer's piece on W and posted his alleged IQ from that article as an aside.[/QUOTE]
Friedrich,
I see. I think that "alleged" is the correct term here also. Your comment above about education and intelligence is something I have noted as well. If I were running things and someone tried to join my administration citing their superior education from an Ivy league school chances are I would show them the door. I am not impressed in the slghtest with that from knowing the history of such people.
2004-02-03 17:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]And Walter, those folks you are describing sound like the 'metrosexuals' we keep hearing about more and more to our digestive dismay.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, Tex, many of them are poofters.
Arse bandits. Rent boys. Weenie wagglers.
You get the picture.
Q. How do you get four poofters on a bar stool? A. Turn it upside down!
Q. What's the latest pick up line at poofter bars? A. Can I push in your stool?
I got a million of 'em!
2004-02-03 22:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Friedrich,
I see. I think that "alleged" is the correct term here also. Your comment above about education and intelligence is something I have noted as well. If I were running things and someone tried to join my administration citing their superior education from an Ivy league school chances are I would show them the door. I am not impressed in the slghtest with that from knowing the history of such people.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Due to affirmative action and the accompanying dumbing down of higher education and rampant grade inflation to please minorities (i.e., Negroes and hispanics) who otherwise wouldn't have the smarts to make it, universities have become diploma mills.
Too many people go to unversity because it's the thing to do (even though they don't belong and would be better off somewhere else), and because manual labour is looked down upon.
When Clinton was in office I heard him say that everyone should go to university -- Mike Tyson?