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2004-01-22 02:07 | User Profile
John Rhys-Davies: Fool!
One must be a Right-wing or Marxist you cannot go half sad to see many fools!
Lord Of The Rings Actor Decries Muslim Flood Into Europe By Lucy Ballinger Wales on Sunday 1-19-4
**One of the biggest Welsh movie stars in Hollywood kicked off a race storm last night after making anti-Muslim remarks.
Outraged Islamic leaders in Wales demanded an immediate apology from Lord Of The Rings actor John Rhys-Davies, who claimed an increase in Europe's Muslim population was a "demographic catastrophe" threatening "Western civilisation".**
The 59-year-old Ammanford actor's comments were originally made in an interview with American journalists from World magazine, but this week they were used by the far right British National Party in a leaflet to campaign for support among cinema-goers.
Last night Rhys-Davies stood by his views which follow Robert Kilroy-Silk's inflammatory anti-Arab column. But he criticised the BNP for hijacking his words for their own ends.
In the interview, Rhys-Davies, who plays heroic dwarf Gimli and recorded the voice of computer-animated character Treebeard in the Hollywood blockbuster, interprets Tolkien's story of good versus evil as a metaphor for modern race relations.
**He said: "There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren't bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well.
"By 2020, 50 per cent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.
"I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged. And if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilisation. That does have a real resonance with me."**
The 6ft tall actor, who wore facial prosthetics and performed on his knees to portray the 4ft 2in dwarf in Lord Of The Rings, even says he is aware that his beliefs could end his career, which has seen him star in the Indiana Jones films and James Bond movie The Living Daylights.
"I am for dead, (traditional) white male culture," said Rhys-Davies, who divides his time between his homes in Los Angeles and the Isle of Man.
"Many do not understand how precarious Western civilisation is and what a joy it is.
"From it, we get real democracy. From it, we get the sort of intellectual tolerance that allows me to propound something that may be completely alien to you.
"I'm burying my career so substantially in these interviews that it's painful. But I think there are some questions that demand honest answers."
The BNP reproduced some of his comments on their website, where they ask people to print them off and distribute them at showings of Lord Of The Rings.
BNP leader Nick Griffin last night defended using Rhys-Davies' words for their Stand, Men Of The West leaflet, which he claimed was popular with film-goers in the Valleys.
"He is not a racist in terms of race hate and nor are we," he said.
"We just feel his views dovetail with our message as the comments in the interview quoted reflect our opinions too."
Rhys-Davies said it was "distressing to find yourself on a BNP leaflet", adding: "But on reflection, these people can't really do any great harm unless you allow them to."
What a moron Rhys-Davies is!!! What does he want done. What does he not like about the BNP?
The actor's over-the-top views were criticised by Tolkien Society publicity officer Ian Collier.
He said: **"The Tolkien Society is not a politically-aligned organisation and we do not in any way condone the use of his works to support messages of racial hate, just as Tolkien himself objected strongly to the use of Northern Myth by the Nazis.
"There is documentary evidence that Tolkien did not agree with these views and we are saddened to see this kind of misrepresentation occurring."**
The views were greeted with contempt by the MP for Rhys-Davies' former home town, Ammanford.
"I condemn these comments as being racist and ill-informed," said Adam Price, Plaid Cymru MP for Carmarthen East & Dinefwr.
So-called Nationalist Plaid Cymru sells too!
"It is obvious that this man who now lives in the lap of luxury in Hollywood is out of touch with realities of the nature of present day European society.
"His attack on Muslims and comments about the threat that they pose to Western society shows his ignorance of world events and the true teachings of Islam.
"Ammanford people will feel very let down by a man with such close connections to the town."
Last night Mohammed Javed, chairman of the Muslim Society for Wales, said: "We want an apology. This could stir up racial hatred in society. It's ignorance, he should learn more about Islam and the religions before he makes these comments.
"They are based on his ignorance and nothing else."
The Marxists Speak!* Chief executive of the All Wales Ethnic Minority Association (Awema) Naz Malik agreed.
He said: "I do not know why he has said these things. If 50 per cent of people in Holland under 18 are Muslims in 16 years time, so what? In Britain the fastest growing race is mixed race, people of dual heritage. It is a cause for great celebration that our cultures are mixed.
"We live in a global society - we celebrate what is good in cultures and challenge what is bad in civilisations.**
"Does he ever listen to any music other than European? Does he eat Indian food? Does he ever appreciate art other than that from Europe?
"I feel sorry for this actor because he must feel very insecure about his future. I feel sorry for his closed-mindedness."
Wales Friends of Searchlight's Ian Titherington accused the BNP of hijacking the actor's comments.
He said: "Tolkien's Ring Trilogy is generally considered to be the best fantasy story ever written.
"It really shows how desperate the BNP are, to try to make political capital out of a cinematic re-production of fantasy."
LAST NIGHT we spoke to John Rhys-Davies from his Hollywood home and asked him to defend his opinions.
Here's what he said...
LAST NIGHT we spoke to John Rhys-Davies from his Hollywood home and asked him to defend his opinions.
More from the Moron John Rhys-Davies... Here's what he said...
I BELIEVE in racial equality not racial discrimination. All I was commenting on was that there are cultural changes taking place in Europe that I consider to be unacceptable.
The fact that a minister of the French government has to fly to Cairo to talk with one of the religious heads in one of the mosques to get his approval for a ban on headscarves can be seen in two ways.
One, is how wonderfully culturally sensitive. The other, it seems to give an authority to a wholly unelected figure well outside Europe's jurisdiction.
I am really proud to be living in a society that accepts women as our equals, that accepts civilised discourse that allows people to hold different opinions without coming to any act of violence.
Here in America when that earthquake happened in Iran the reaction of everyone I knew was horror and dismay, the reaction of everyone when they heard that the old woman had been brought out alive long after they thought there was anyone there was absolute awe at the extraordinary capacity of the human spirit to survive. Contrast that with people jumping up and down and clapping at the 9/11 disaster in certain countries.
I don't think that Western society is opposed to Islamic society at all. I think a very important part of Islamic society is opposed to Western society.
It is time that ordinary Muslims stood up to be counted.
Most societies can benefit from a good stirring of genes, but most cultures are tolerant of each other. I do not see Buddhists throwing bombs into Christian churches, I do not see Christians blowing up Hindu temples, I do not see those sorts of challenges.
When we are prepared to overlook certain things because we don't want to rock the boat, this is wrong.
The greatest act of racism is to expect that other people will not behave according to your values and standards.
Yes, I am for dead, (traditional) white male culture. It's pretty damn good, pretty damn marvellous, pretty wonderful. That's not to exclude other cultures, but it's not to diminish mine.
I'm sorry that might be perceived as infringing some sort of racial taboo, it's certainly not intended to be a racial remark.
We are losing the ability to sit down and be able to have a tolerable argument.
I do not want to see a society where, should I ever have any, my granddaughters have their fingernails pulled out because they are wearing nail varnish.
I hope that my friends and relatives in Wales are not going to be shocked by what they are going to read about.
Do not brand me a racist because I am most certainly not.
But I will stand by this: Western Christianised Europe has values and experience that is worth defending.
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2004-01-22 12:04 | User Profile
This is good news Faust, the public lynching of high profile celebrities keeps the issue on the boil and knocks a few more sitters of the fence. Practically every week a new celebrity in Britain is "under investigation for incitement to racial hatred": Robert Kilroy-Silk (ex-Labour MP, journalist, ran a Jerry Springer type TV show), Richard Littlejohn (Rush Limbaugh style blowhard), and John Rhys-Davies in the last ten days alone. These people are all outer-party members - and no friends of ours - but they're being made martyrs for our cause. What's not to like?
2004-01-22 13:29 | User Profile
My heart goes out to Rhys-Davies, who I certainly would not qualify as a 'fool'....unless one sees all brave men as fools. May I point out that until I found this on OD I had heard squat about these interviews, so it's not as if Rhys-Davies taking a stand guarantees dissemination of [I]his actual words [/I] to a wide audience. On the other hand, I can see - all too easily - how a clever media might mischaracterize his statements into A] standard-issue race-hate, or those of a B] gung-ho Bush/Blair supporter, when what he is actually saying is [I]stop nonwhite immigration to Europe before it's too late[/I]: the [U]opposite [/U] of everything Bush & Blair have planned for us. Wait 30 days and Google-search this story and I guarantee you you'll find it [B]much[/B] faster typing in "Rhys-Davies racist" than "Rhys-Davies Western Civilization" .
What's scary-comical is the reaction of The Usual Suspects to Rhys-Davies' comments: the usual he's sad/he's sick/he's evil Diversity Boilerplate that runs on autopilot from anyone under 60 who either holds elected office or a lucrative byline. Talk about your Oath of Omerta, or your secret Masonic rituals, or your everyday witches' coven! How is it possible that everyone in power, or close to power, or with ambitions to power - and media counts for more than government in the modern equation of power - can think and write and say and feel the [I]exact [/I] same things without prompting, without exception and without deviation?
2004-01-22 13:58 | User Profile
Faust,
While he made some remarks that I have grown to expect out of people in his position, he still made a good case about the evil of third world immigration. I can appreciate his remarks about being a part of Western Civ. Who knows? When this is over he may come out a be very outspoken person on this issue due to the type of smearing he is receiving that we are familiar with.
Overall, I give this a plus.
2004-01-22 15:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Robert Kilroy-Silk (ex-Labour MP, journalist, ran a Jerry Springer type TV show),[/QUOTE]
A bit unfair on Kilroy that.
He was an ex-Labour MP once predicted to be PM before getting fed up in the mid 1980s.
Given his politics and the nature of his show (discussions on "issues" of the day), he is almost directly analogous with Phil Donahue.
2004-01-22 16:31 | User Profile
I believe Faust has a point to the extent that Rhys-Davis' recent statements are akin to condemning drunk-driving while slamming breathalyzer tests as an infringement of civil liberties. It's painfully frustrating to see a 'man of the moment' stand up and point out the elephant in the living room only then to take a swipe at the very people trying to address the problem. [QUOTE] Rhys-Davies said it was "distressing to find yourself on a BNP leaflet", adding: "But on reflection, these people can't really do any great harm unless you allow them to." [/QUOTE] This is an extremely loaded statement considering the current legal climate in the UK, although Rhys-Davies probably doesn't realise it.
[QUOTE=Jim] A bit unfair on Kilroy that. [/QUOTE] Maybe Jim, I haven't watched TV in years; granted Springer is by far the tackiest, but I pretty much found all those show much the same. Welcome to OD, you're pretty close to the action up there in NW England, what's your assessment?
2004-01-22 19:55 | User Profile
John Rhys-Davies didn't blubber and cry and apologize like Marlon Brando did in a similar situation. Rhys-Davies raised issues and stepped back a bit. So what?
Consider his age. Consider his occupation. Had he gone in full counterattack mode, he'd be unemployable for the remainder of his life given who mostly runs the entertainment biz. He showed remarkable spunk in view of the fact he's worked in Hollywood often enough to know the score.
At least he didn't do a Brando. Let's not forget that.
2004-01-23 00:27 | User Profile
na Gaeil is gile,
Thanks for your Reply. Yes you are most likely Right and I may have been a bit hard on John Rhys-Davies. I have been in a bad mood, I could have used more sleep this week.
But this what upset me:
What is it he dislikes about BNP? He does not say? Rhys-Davies said it was "distressing to find yourself on a BNP leaflet", adding: "But on reflection, these people can't really do any great harm unless you allow them to."
What is a "Racist"? How does one "defend" Europe? "I BELIEVE in racial equality not racial discrimination... Do not brand me a racist because I am most certainly not. But I will stand by this: Western Christianised Europe has values and experience that is worth defending."-Rhys-Davies
The views were greeted with contempt by the MP for Rhys-Davies' former home town, Ammanford. "I condemn these comments as being racist and ill-informed," said Adam Price, Plaid Cymru MP for Carmarthen East & Dinefwr.
So-called Nationalist Plaid Cymru sells out too! I recall reading some article on the Plaid Cymru by some real Welsh Nationalists. This are as Marxist as the IRA.
2004-01-23 00:51 | User Profile
You always get half a loaf from public figures at best. Still, I suppose half a loaf is better than nothing. As for his knee-jerk denunciation of the BNP, that's just "hey - I'm not one of them!! boilerplate. Most prominent people want to remain "respectable". He may not even know what they really stand for, taking the jewsmedia version as the truth.
But you can bet that he's furious at being on the receiving end of all that fake "outrage" whipped up by the well-oiled Jeww Crucifixion Machine - and so are many others who see what they're doing to him.
2004-01-23 04:44 | User Profile
Gen. N.B. Forrest,
Yes you are Right. One can but hope; this might drive him to the Right.
*You always get half a loaf from public figures at best. Still, I suppose half a loaf is better than nothing. As for his knee-jerk denunciation of the BNP, that's just "hey - I'm not one of them!! boilerplate. Most prominent people want to remain "respectable". He may not even know what they really stand for, taking the jewsmedia version as the truth.
But you can bet that he's furious at being on the receiving end of all that fake "outrage" whipped up by the well-oiled Jeww Crucifixion Machine - and so are many others who see what they're doing to him.*
2004-01-23 14:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=na Gaeil is gile] Maybe Jim, I haven't watched TV in years; granted Springer is by far the tackiest, but I pretty much found all those show much the same. Welcome to OD, you're pretty close to the action up there in NW England, what's your assessment?[/QUOTE]
Point about Kilroy is that he was a respectable member of the liberal-left establishment (albeit his show was slightly tawdry), not some shock-jock or circus ringmaster.
I have mixed feelings re: The BNP, who aren't particularly active near me anyway. The Britain thread is very quiet. I'll post thoughts there sometime nearer elections.
Rhys-Davies' reaction was fairly typical. The populist Daily Mail newspaper publishes many well reasoned anti-immigration and anti-asylum articles without ever making the leap to supporting a party outside the LibLabCon mafia. People will always qualify anti-immigrant feeling with "I'm starting to agree with... / It's driving me towards... the extremists, racist parties" etc. etc.
[OFFTOPIC] I'm unsure that the BNP will win MEP's in June - Northwest England and Yorkshire are to be postal votes only which may have scuppered their slim chances. The PeeCee UKIP are being puffed by the media as the "alternative vote". I think maybe 6-7% is the best that can be hoped for.
One problem the BNP has is its image, in the sense of its membership and organisation. There are still one or two many
2004-01-23 17:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=na Gaeil is gile]It's painfully frustrating to see a 'man of the moment' stand up and point out the elephant in the living room only then to take a swipe at the very people trying to address the problem.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is, nG. I observed the exact same phenomenon amongst fellow conservatives when I was actively recruiting for Buchanan in 2000. There's a real disconnection between folks' beliefs and actions that I can only attribute to our people being so thoroughly steeped-in and brainwashed by corporate/state/IP controlled media.
2004-01-23 17:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Talk about your Oath of Omerta, or your secret Masonic rituals, or your everyday witches' coven! How is it possible that everyone in power, or close to power, or with ambitions to power - and media counts for more than government in the modern equation of power - can think and write and say and feel the [I]exact [/I] same things without prompting, without exception and without deviation?[/QUOTE]
That's great, IR. I always wonder about that same thing myself and it is a source of great frustration.
2004-01-25 08:22 | User Profile
That article left something out:
(the following passage was included in [url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=11898]Chaucer's post[/url])
ââ¬ÅThere is a change happening in the very complexion of Western civilization in Europe that we should think about at least and argue about. If it just means the replacement of one genetic stock with another genetic stock, that doesnââ¬â¢t matter too much. But if it involves the replacement of Western civilization with a different civilization with different cultural values, then it is something we really ought to discuss ââ¬â because, [hang it all], I am for dead-white-male culture!ââ¬Â
Suuure, John. Just fill up Europe with Africans, Asians, and other assorted non-Whites, and it's still the same old Europe -- just as long as they're Christians, right? And what's so brave about attacking Muslims, anyway? They're the Jews #1 enemy.
2004-01-31 05:23 | User Profile
Well, I see that the title "John Rhys-Davies: Fool!" was not a bad choice.
?There is a change happening in the very complexion of Western civilization in Europe that we should think about at least and argue about. If it just means the replacement of one genetic stock with another genetic stock, that doesn?t matter too much. But if it involves the replacement of Western civilization with a different civilization with different cultural values, then it is something we really ought to discuss ? because, [hang it all], I am for dead-white-male culture!"-John Rhys-Davies
If you want "dead-white-male culture" you will need the live "white-male."
