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Thread ID: 11940 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2004-01-18
2004-01-18 02:01 | User Profile
And baby makes two With the ticking of their biological clocks growing ever louder, more and more women are deciding to have children on their own through insemination from an anonymous donor
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2004-01-18 02:42 | User Profile
The women who choose to do this do not want to have children because they want to; they do so because they want to have the golden accessory. Children are mere ornaments for these kinds of women.
2004-01-18 04:07 | User Profile
I'd be careful not to point the finger at white women. Misogyny is prime stupidity for nationalists.
2004-01-18 13:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Europe Endless]I'd be careful not to point the finger at white women. Misogyny is prime stupidity for nationalists.[/QUOTE]
Not that men don't have the major responsibility, but women do also. And one of those is the refusal to have kids. How do you suggest we sugarcoat that problem?
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2004-01-18 20:27 | User Profile
There seems to be many on this messageboard that would rather not talk about women (good or bad) and hope the issues vanish into space. IMO the pushers of bastardly lifestyles including miscegination for Whites see this as their 'five hole'.
If you want to truly destory a man what do you do? Go after his material possesions? his property? his territory? his cattle? yes but to truly destory him you set your sights on his wife and his offspring which in turn damages their future and their races future.
Yes we need intelligent and resourceful women on our side. Our race wouldn't survive without them but we wouldn't be here right now without a man and woman.
2004-01-18 21:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]For many aging yuppie women, having a child is an excuse to buy a designer Gucci baby stroller and an Eddie Bauer Edition 4-door SUV."[/QUOTE]
You can also add the foreign au pair and five-star child care facility to the list.
2004-01-18 22:14 | User Profile
[COLOR=Red]Geez, do ALL you guys hate women? [/COLOR] MOST women who decide they are going to have a baby by themselves are NOT doing it because they want a cool accessory for their SUV and Gucci diaper bags!
They are having a baby by themselves because women are GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to have a baby! It is a fundamental and VERY strong drive. Our society has been destroyed, and our men have been feminized, or are too smart to risk their future livelihoods in "our" courts, or are too self-centered to give up control of themselves and their assets, or are too selfish to commit to one woman or pick your reason. So the women are desparate to "fulfill their biological destiny" and despairing of ever actually finding a man they (also twisted by "our" society) can accept. And they have been brainwashed into believing that they CAN be mother-and-father to their offspring.
The men's movement is right -- men have to be a little crazy and risk-accepting to marry and reproduce; the women CAN destroy them if the marriage breaks down and CAN steal their children and the men have no legal recourse. But that ALSO means that women who desparately want to have a child, may finally decide to do it ANYway.
You always seem to assume that women are CHOOSING to do things y'all disapprove of. As if the women were NOT twisted, malformed, brainwashed into doing what the managers of the destruction of our society want!
2004-01-18 23:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Avalanche][COLOR=Red]Geez, do ALL you guys hate women? [/COLOR] MOST women who decide they are going to have a baby by themselves are NOT doing it because they want a cool accessory for their SUV and Gucci diaper bags!
They are having a baby by themselves because women are GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to have a baby! It is a fundamental and VERY strong drive. Our society has been destroyed, and our men have been feminized, or are too smart to risk their future livelihoods in "our" courts, or are too self-centered to give up control of themselves and their assets, or are too selfish to commit to one woman or pick your reason. So the women are desparate to "fulfill their biological destiny" and despairing of ever actually finding a man they (also twisted by "our" society) can accept. And they have been brainwashed into believing that they CAN be mother-and-father to their offspring.
The men's movement is right -- men have to be a little crazy and risk-accepting to marry and reproduce; the women CAN destroy them if the marriage breaks down and CAN steal their children and the men have no legal recourse. But that ALSO means that women who desparately want to have a child, may finally decide to do it ANYway.
You always seem to assume that women are CHOOSING to do things y'all disapprove of. As if the women were NOT twisted, malformed, brainwashed into doing what the managers of the destruction of our society want![/QUOTE] As for Women and the Courts, I do not know the real number's, but women smash white men by at least 80+%,and women alway's cry, about how their husbands gave them a bum deal etc. I personally witnessed three familie's completely destroyed by women's so called rights. All three the men I knew, where sober, hard working. One a Ex-marine pilot who built a beautiful home in the mountains off the grid,with great water, and was awakening his daughter a son, and that was too much for the daugther of a P.C. school teacher, and since she hanged out with other Beyatche's at a riding stable, they cooked up going after such a non p.c. man, he followed my advice and hired no lawyer took a counter offer, never fought with her, and remained a gentlman, writing her off. She thinks he is nutz. The last one had three little children all girl's, ten years ago. Very pretty was his wife, and she wanted to work cleaning house's for the fancy rich homes in the area, as her man was finishing their house in the country as they could afford it. He did not want her working as his income was enough. She was cleaning house for a judge too. She started whining that she was getting old and wanted a red convertable, and their children were 6 to 11 at the time. Her lawyer was banging her, too boot, this guy hired lawyer/liar, "I told him not fight or hire a lawyer" and was hostile to the court, as he had gotten kicked out of his home and his stuff thrown in the road, and when he was allowed at the house for belonging's had two deputy's escorting him. The man had a perfect background before this.. I tell you, I meet that women and she was a TV headed immature idiot, yet she got a college grad mature husband, hard working man smashed completly, it was a horrible court case with tears all the theactric's. All the women were beautiful, but wanted things like red convertable's or the carpenter's wife wanted her man to dress like the men at the tort/court house of pigs where she worked, his being handsome and very fit was not enough. She wanted/took a job, rather than run an office for her husband and two young son's, who were then 12 and 15, now grown. No she liked wearing high hell's and being ogled and being ask out all the time at the tort house was more fun, the attention went to her head. In a senior county she was hot. He was destroyed and he was a very fit expert carpenter,who had designed complex building and could do the calculations etc., but he cut his thumb off with a chop saw at the base of his hand! You might say his mind was not on his work, he left the state and did not even take his share of the property, or look back, he flipped.. He was handsome and a good man,and combat Viet nam vet, but he was smashed. The other storie's if I wrote about them, you would need Kleenix.
2004-01-18 23:21 | User Profile
And so y'all put down women who decide to have bastards? At least most of them CAN'T destroy the fathers cause they don't know who they are! (I'm assuming sperm banks here.) Any man who has sex with a single woman risks his future. Use a condom and PRAY! And be REAL cautious who you marry!
================= Absurdistan in America September 25, 2003 by Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D.
In Iowa, the government has confiscated the savings of 11-year-old Rylan Nitzschke. Rylan saved $220 from chores and shoveling snow, but that now belongs to Iowa. Why? Rylanââ¬â¢s father allegedly owes child support (to Rylan), and his fatherââ¬â¢s name was on the boyââ¬â¢s bank account.
OK, so this is a mistake, and Iowa will return the boyââ¬â¢s savings, right? Wrong. State officials have no intention of returning the money. After all, they receive federal funds for each dollar they collect (and for each father they incarcerate). Rylanââ¬â¢s piggy bank helps balance the budget.
As Congress prepares to pass the Welfare Reform bill, the Washington Times reports that child support enforcement officials are ecstatic over provisions that will allow them to plunder and criminalize more citizens, using children as the justification. Yet no evidence indicates that there is, or ever has been, a problem of unpaid child support other than that created by the government. The child support "crisis" consists of little more than the government seizing peopleââ¬â¢s children, imposing patently impossible debts on parents (and others) who have done nothing to incur those debts, and then arresting those who, quite predictably, cannot pay.
Now this dishonest and discredited hoax is creating a Western version of "Absurdistan" ââ¬â the name given by East European dissidents to the Soviet dictatorships that were not only repressive but, at times, simply buffoonish.
West Virginia officials cleaned out the bank account of an 85-year-old grandmother whose son allegedly owed child support. The son paid in none of the $6,450 taken from the account, which comprised her life savings. She was also charged a $75 processing fee.
Canada has a name for such grandmothers: "deadbeat accomplices." These are grandparents, second wives, or other relatives, who can be forced to disclose and part with their savings to government officials.
In California, minor boys raped by adult women must pay child support to the criminals who raped them. "State law entitles the child to support from both parents, even though the boy is considered the victim of statutory rape," the district attorney's office says. One boy was drugged before the sex. Kansas courts have likewise held that "the issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support of a minor child born of such activity." So much for not letting criminals profit from their crimes.
The elderly can also become targets of rape-for-profit. A disabled 85-year-old man, sexually assaulted by his housekeeper and awarded damages for the assault, was ordered to pay her child support, and his pension was garnished. The court denied him access to the child.
According to the Keystone Cops who enforce child support, a "child" is not a dependent minor but any recipient of their chivalry. "We've got some 40- to 45-year-old ââ¬Ëkidsââ¬â¢ running around who are owed child support," says Nick Young, enforcement director in Virginia. In Ohio, a 77-year-old great grandfather who had always paid on time was told he owed $45,000 in back child support and had his wages garnished, even though his youngest child was 46 years old.
In Canada, runaway children sue their parents for child support. In California, a 50-year-old divorce lawyer successfully sued his own parents for child support because, he said, depression rendered him unable to work. Startlingly, such suits were probably intended by a legislature dominated by trial lawyers. Judge Melinda Johnson observed that the statute is "unambiguous," and an attorney notes, "The statute didn't come about by accident."
In Canada and Australia, stepfathers are now ordered to pay the custodians of their stepchildren. Stuart Miller of the American Fathers Coalition comments wryly that such rulings open the door to multiple marriages to obtain multiple child support proceeds from multiple men without the inconvenience of multiple children. In fact, this is already happening, as judges allow "double-dipping," whereby both the biological father and stepfather are ordered to pay full child support to the same custodian for the same children.
Child support has little to do with providing for children. Its purpose is to redistribute money ââ¬â and power ââ¬â among grown-ups. Iowa officials say the only way Rylanââ¬â¢s father can prevent the looting of Rylanââ¬â¢s savings in the future is to give the boy's money to the adult with custody.
But the miracle is that Rylan bothers with chores at all. Rylanââ¬â¢s father "owes" his son money, according to the government, not because Rylan earns it through hard work but because his mother divorced the old man. Rylan can simply demand the money of his father, and the state will make him cough it up. Why teach youngsters to work when you can teach them to sue.
Indeed, some states now force fathers to pay college tuition. So kids, donââ¬â¢t work to save for college or study hard for a scholarship. If you can convince your mother to divorce your father, the government will force Dad to pay at the barrel of a gun. Once fathers can be forced to pay law school tuition the machine will be completely self-financing.
States create instant deadbeats simply by increasing burdens. In Virginia, the author of sharply increased guidelines, William Rodgers of William and Mary College, tells officials that if they do not like his formula, he would "create a schedule to suit." Presumably Dr. Rodgers proposes the guidelines he considers fair and reasonable. But if Virginia officials prefer guidelines that are not fair and reasonable, he can provide those too. This is Groucho Marx government: "Those are my principles. If you donââ¬â¢t like them, I have others."
Thus does child support simultaneously corrupt both public ethics and private morals, turning children into cash prizes and even "cash crops." One girl tells a Toronto newspaper of her savvy career plans: "I'm going to marry a really rich guy, then divorce him," she says. "But first I'm going to have his kids, so I get child support."
Stephen Baskerville Dr. Baskerville teaches political science at Howard University in Washington, D.C. He earned his Ph.D. in political science from the London School of Economics.
[url]http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/baskerville/03/baskerville092503.htm[/url]
2004-01-18 23:23 | User Profile
And add this:
Soldiers Risking Their Lives in Iraq Might Face Prison Over Child Support Upon Return
April 9, 2003 by Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D.
As America's servicemen risk their lives to protect their families and ours, the federal government is preparing to put them in jail.
That's right; you heard correctly. Most societies honor their returning heroes. In America we punish them.
Soldiers who ship off to Iraq risk not only their lives but arrest and jail when they return. Those who accept a pay cut to defend their country can be incarcerated when they are unable to pay the impossible child support burdens imposed on them by the federal government's divorce machinery.
It is mind-boggling that servicemen who risk their lives to protect us will face arrest as they step off the plane. Yet this is precisely what happened after Desert Storm, and it will happen again this time.
The federal government has issued the usual PR smokescreen, urging soldiers to contact their local child support agents to request a modification. But such requests are almost never granted. Child support fills government coffers with federal taxpayers' money. Governments have no incentive to give these soldiers a break and plenty of incentive not to.
The Christian Science Monitor reports that a soldier whose domestic job pays $31,000 must pay $900 a month in child support. His reserve pay will reduce his income to $27,000. The Monitor neglects to point out that even at the higher pay, this is about half the man's take-home pay, and that he is likely to be living on less than $1,000 a month. Another father's child support comprises 73% of his income, leaving him $200 a month to live on.
Do we really believe that these heroes are "deadbeat dads" who went to Iraq to avoid paying child support? If not, perhaps it is time we began to examine whether the entire child support system is anything other than a fraud. If these men are not "deadbeats," then who is? If these arrests are an abuse of government power, why are not all the others?
Attempts to protect our civilization from external threats will be pointless if we allow it to be undermined from within. How long do we expect men to sacrifice their lives and livelihoods for their country when their government steals their children and uses those children to extort huge sums of money from their fathers?
What kind of morale can we expect in our armed forces when the same brave men who risk their lives to protect their families from invasion by terrorists are powerless to protect their families from invasion by their own government.
[url]http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/baskerville/03/baskerville040903.htm[/url]
2004-01-18 23:25 | User Profile
It's hard to disagree with this:
Men Boycott Marriage: Is Marriage A One Way Ticket To Jail For Men? June 12, 2002 by Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D.
Men are refusing to marry, says a report just released from Rutgers University. Professor David Popenoe attributes his finding to a fear of ââ¬Åcommitmentââ¬Â by men and the ease of obtaining sex outside marriage.
Yet the men themselves express a weightier explanation of why they fear marriage: For many men, starting a family is a one-way ticket to jail, and even worse. Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson, writing in the Philadelphia Inquirer, found that many men now realize that any family they start can simply be taken away from them at any time, through forced divorce. Worse, once you have a child you become a likely candidate for false accusations of molestation, impossible child support payments, jail, and suicide.
Virtually every American now knows a father whose life has been taken over and destroyed by a divorce court:
* Like the disabled dentist who was told by a court to stop taking medication for a brain tumor and instead put the money into life insurance.
* Or like the defense worker who lost his job after September 11, who must pay 60% interest monthly on child support arrearages.
* Or the father who has been hauled into court 106 times in 3 years.
All these fathers were deserted by adulterous wives; all live on a few hundred dollars a month; and none can see his children.
Remaining true to your marital vows is no protection. Attorney Jed Abraham says the only way to avoid losing your family is not to start one in the first place.
A few years ago, conservative Maggie Gallagher wrote a book called The Abolition of Marriage, arguing that, legally speaking, no one is married and no one can marry.
Yet many conservatives seem to believe they can restore the institution by preaching at young people to marry. Some in the Bush administration want to use federal money to ââ¬Åeducateââ¬Â young people about its benefits. Yet young men will no longer be fooled.
If we wish to resurrect marriage, we must change the laws ââ¬â plain and simple. Creating therapeutic programs merely avoids the issue and increases the reach of government. Portraying marriage as a manââ¬â¢s ball-and-chain used to be a joke. Now, it is a political problem.
For FCF News on Demand, this is Stephen Baskerville.
[url]http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/baskerville/02/baskerville071202.htm[/url]
2004-01-19 00:11 | User Profile
Guys, I think you are hypocrites. I have problems with the morals of these women having babies out of wedlock and they should adopt a child instead. But what about you? It is hypocritcal to talk about women not having children when you are not having children yourself. If you hate women so much, then why don't you adopt and raise a child since you are afraid of marriage?
Also did you know that many men who marry do not want children? They make their wives have abortions and leave them when the baby is born because they cannot be the child anymore. What do men want today? Wives or mothers?
Personally I think that you are avoiding women and marriage because you are afraid of growing up and becoming a man. Instead of marrying, you use women as the receptors of your masturbation and support porn and prostitution. Any decent marrageable woman would not want trash like this.
To prevent stories like that above, I think the no-fault marriage should be outlawed and the spouse who is at fault for adultery, non-support, and spousal abuse should not get the children and the majority of the property.
Sorry for the strong words above and I do feel sorry for the men in those situations but the life that you are leading now is not making you happy. Guys, if you want to meet a decent woman to marry , throw your computer in the trash, get some social skills, and go out to places where women hag out. Also, I suggest laying off the heavy reading for awhile. Heavy reading makes one stuffy. Even a woman like me, who is also a heavy reader like yourselves, does like to do lighter things once in awhile, especially when I was on a date. You need to let your hair down and think less of yourselves and instead find out what the woman is interested in and then approach her from that direction with serious questions about her interests. If you want women who can discuss serious issues, then I suggest going to a book discussion group.
2004-01-19 00:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]Guys, I think you are hypocrites. I have problems with the morals of these women having babies out of wedlock and they should adopt a child instead. But what about you? It is hypocritcal to talk about women not having children when you are not having children yourself. If you hate women so much, then why don't you adopt and raise a child since you are afraid of marriage?
Also did you know that many men who marry do not want children? They make their wives have abortions and leave them when the baby is born because they cannot be the child anymore. What do men want today? Wives or mothers?
Personally I think that you are avoiding women and marriage because you are afraid of growing up and becoming a man. Instead of marrying, you use women as the receptors of your masturbation and support porn and prostitution. Any decent marrageable woman would not want trash like this.
To prevent stories like that above, I think the no-fault marriage should be outlawed and the spouse who is at fault for adultery, non-support, and spousal abuse should not get the children and the majority of the property.
Sorry for the strong words above and I do feel sorry for the men in those situations but the life that you are leading now is not making you happy. Guys, if you want to meet a decent woman to marry , throw your computer in the trash, get some social skills, and go out to places where women hag out. Also, I suggest laying off the heavy reading for awhile. Heavy reading makes one stuffy. Even a woman like me, who is also a heavy reader like yourselves, does like to do lighter things once in awhile, especially when I was on a date. You need to let your hair down and think less of yourselves and instead find out what the woman is interested in and then approach her from that direction with serious questions about her interests. If you want women who can discuss serious issues, then I suggest going to a book discussion group.[/QUOTE] I am laughing so hard it hurtz, I could barely type...No way out but through the..........With Hooey Wierd CA./NYC stomped.
2004-01-19 02:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]Guys, I think you are hypocrites. I have problems with the morals of these women having babies out of wedlock and they should adopt a child instead. But what about you? It is hypocritcal to talk about women not having children when you are not having children yourself. If you hate women so much, then why don't you adopt and raise a child since you are afraid of marriage?[/QUOTE]
The blame game can go both ways, but the issue here is that women have demanded and gotten the government to become a surrogate husband and father to whatever children they decided to have - in or out of wedlock and to however many men. Women today really have no need for a husband besides emotional satisfaction, which can come and go in a fickle woman. Easy divorce laws, which women also demanded, makes it possible for a woman to divorce her husband for any or no reason, and then have him forced under threat of jail to pay her whatever a judge says - which the government has decided is 25% of his gross income for each kid.
Given that situation that the fact that immorality is rampant and women give away sex like there's no tomorrow, what's the incentive for a man to take a wife? Its 75% downside for men. Also the government has totally undermined the father and husband's authority in the house, made marriage an economic gamble, and taken away most of the incentives - even steady sex. A woman can cut her husband off from sex and there's essentially nothing he can do about it. The point is the government has made a mess of marriage as it usually does with everything.
2004-01-19 04:15 | User Profile
I think what all of this boils down to is that the guys here are being paranoid and encouraging a distrust of white women. That's a really shitty attitude to have. This might not be peoples' intention but whenever you point the finger at women or single them out for our problems you're sneaking in a passive misogyny and pitting men and women against each other. Not to mention not taking responsibility yourselves. It's the opposite extreme of feminism. Before any you accuse me of being partisan, I'm a guy.
2004-01-19 04:58 | User Profile
I sense a little bit of frustration with women on this thread, but Iââ¬â¢m going to take a chance to add my two cents in defence of women.
The morals of women and men have both been in decline for some time, I donââ¬â¢t think it can be entirely blamed on the female race.
Itââ¬â¢s easier to stay single now than invest oneââ¬â¢s emotions and time into a marriage that many believe will naturally lead to heartbreak. Itââ¬â¢s almost like thereââ¬â¢s an overwhelming instinct to connect marriage to divorce, not that marriage IS a lifetime commitment.
For the women who decide to be artificially inseminated, I donââ¬â¢t believe they intentionally want to replace a man. In most cases I think these are women who want to have children but have not found a man to build a family with.
A woman has a time limit on her fertility, so instead of making the wrong decision with the wrong man she may look at an alternative to start a family before her time runs out ââ¬â and our society has given her that alternative. Unfortunately, career building does become the priority over marriage for many men and women, believing that once they are financially stable they will then look at building a family.
Iââ¬â¢m not saying that artificial insemination is morally right, but itââ¬â¢s a reflection of the decay of the family unit and our society. Remember, these are often women that are self-sufficient and can afford a child without government $. So the problem is more why these women have not found a man who they can build a family with and the idea that itââ¬â¢s become socially acceptable for a child to only have one parent.
I will say, that as a woman at 31 whoââ¬â¢s never married, it is hard finding the right person even the desire to settle down is present.
2004-01-19 08:55 | User Profile
For the great majority of girls, I believe their actions, attitudes and beliefs about marriage and motherhood are largely based on their relationship with their fathers. If men had not abdicated their positions of responsiblity and leadership in all areas of our cultural life, then women today would not be making the choices they are. That's it, bottom line.
Unfortunately for you younger gentlemen, you have inherited the disastrous consequences of the bad decisions of the dying and dead men that came before you. Nevertheless, I don't think the proper plan to go about correcting the problem is to point fingers and lay blame on our females. No, the best thing to do is get your life right with God, assume responsibility for yourself, put your priorities in the right order and live each day accordingly. Then you may be blessed with that perfect woman who will likewise be attracted to you as a man who has his act together and one worthy of following for the rest of her natural life. Then if you are so blessed, raise your sons and daughters to be Godly men and women and thereby the cycle continues through another generation. Without any doubt, this is the divine plan for marriage and family and if followed will lead to a healthy, righteous society that is immune as is possible to evil predators and parasites.
In short, if you want a traditional woman with traditional morals, then go attend a traditional Christian church. But like I said, first get your own house in order.
2004-01-19 09:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=melissa]I sense a little bit of frustration with women on this thread, but Iââ¬â¢m going to take a chance to add my two cents in defence of women.
The morals of women and men have both been in decline for some time, I donââ¬â¢t think it can be entirely blamed on the female race....
Iââ¬â¢m not saying that artificial insemination is morally right, but itââ¬â¢s a reflection of the decay of the family unit and our society. Remember, these are often women that are self-sufficient and can afford a child without government $. So the problem is more why these women have not found a man who they can build a family with and the idea that itââ¬â¢s become socially acceptable for a child to only have one parent.
I will say, that as a woman at 31 whoââ¬â¢s never married, it is hard finding the right person even the desire to settle down is present.[/QUOTE]
I agree somewhat with you Melissa, ther is a certain amount of frustration with women today, but I don't really see it too much on this thread. AY's remarks are directed at yuppie men as much as yuppie women.
It does seem odd somehow on a WN forum that people would object to white women having babies, especially when they're starting to run out of time. It doesn't mention it, but I'm sure white women, when they do want to have kids, turn overwhelmingly to white donors. Although now doubt if this gets to be big there will be a movement to change this. And that is part of the source of worry.
Yet I sympathize considerably with the plight of white women, the majority of which must realize that they've made a big mistake, and its either have kids now or enter old age childless and completely alone.
However there is a certain regret we men must always face when we see a situation like this. Few women enter this time of their lives completely innocent in their past. Few young women today seem to be able to resist the temptations that this time of life affords them, and stories of the heartaches caused by the flightiness of young women are legion. If a women starts to approach the twilight of her youth with few choices, the large majority I'm sure have drifted into a life-style that belittled them viewing the choices they had previously with the seriousness that our traditional culture would have expected.
Of course for that decline in culture we all must feel some responsibility, and ultimately shoulder some burden to repair.
2004-01-19 10:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]Guys, Guys, if you want to meet a decent woman to marry , throw your computer in the trash, get some social skills, and go out to places where women hag out. Also, I suggest laying off the heavy reading for awhile. Heavy reading makes one stuffy. Even a woman like me, who is also a heavy reader like yourselves, does like to do lighter things once in awhile, especially when I was on a date. You need to let your hair down and think less of yourselves and instead find out what the woman is interested in and then approach her from that direction with serious questions about her interests. If you want women who can discuss serious issues, then I suggest going to a book discussion group.[/QUOTE]
Up until here I totally agreed with you. While much of what you says rings of truth I sort of resent being essentially told that I should get stupid so that I can get a "good" woman. I know the average lady doesn't like an egghead, especially a socially awkward egghead, but dumbing yourself down for a woman seems whorish, and besides, who wants the "average" lady, especially these days.
By "lighter things" what do you mean? Most guys my age don't know how to have fun except to play video games, get stoned in their apartments/dorms, or wait for Friday until the next party. And at parties there's only a few things you can do: get drunk, get high, try to take advantage of drunk slutty girls, and/or pass out. Then there's the bars. Same deal. I was into this kind of stuff when I was a teenager and now that I'm tired of it and realize it was getting me nowhere in life I don't know what to do with myself except to retreat from society: do some heavy reading, post to message boards like this one, maybe listen to some music, go out for a jog, maybe head out to a bar alone on Friday night for a couple of beers with no intention of socializing much less meeting someone romantically. I'm clueless because my social options seem to be: a) slacker lifestyle, b) party lifestyle, and I want nothing to do with those since I've already been there. The city is so alienating. There's nothing to do here, the people here are soulless. This is how it is for kids in their late teens - early twenties. Welcome to the our brave new world.
2004-01-19 10:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]For the great majority of girls, I believe their actions, attitudes and beliefs about marriage and motherhood are largely based on their relationship with their fathers. If men had not abdicated their positions of responsiblity and leadership in all areas of our cultural life, then women today would not be making the choices they are. That's it, bottom line.
Unfortunately for you younger gentlemen, you have inherited the disastrous consequences of the bad decisions of the dying and dead men that came before you. Nevertheless, I don't think the proper plan to go about correcting the problem is to point fingers and lay blame on our females. [/QUOTE]
I think what you are saying is true. I alluded to the fact that the responsibility is mostly men's, but that doesn't leave the women off the hook.
We must begin again, I think, and for me that means Christ. Yes, I know, many people don't want to hear this, but what other answer is there? Nothing I see coming from the so-called "pro-white" movement causes one to be encouraged. There's just as much marital dysfunction among racialists as anywhere.
My point is that by allowing the government to undermine the family and men's position in the family, while facilitating bastardy and irresponsibility among women, these are difficult forces to resist, even for people who understand the problem. We have then weight of the entire government coming into every area of our life. The only way to fight this is with the Christian view. Those who reject Christ, pay the consequences one way or another. As men and women we have rejected Christ, and we are certainly paying the price.
Oh, of course, the sociologists and atheists will scoff and explain it all with all kinds of sophisticated theories, but it really gets down to the subversion and abandonment of Christian faith. The government becomes just a manifestation of that retribution. But understanding this I think is necessary to realize what's going on.
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2004-01-19 14:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Europe Endless]Up until here I totally agreed with you. While much of what you says rings of truth I sort of resent being essentially told that I should get stupid so that I can get a "good" woman. I know the average lady doesn't like an egghead, especially a socially awkward egghead, but dumbing yourself down for a woman seems whorish, and besides, who wants the "average" lady, especially these days.
By "lighter things" what do you mean? Most guys my age don't know how to have fun except to play video games, get stoned in their apartments/dorms, or wait for Friday until the next party. And at parties there's only a few things you can do: get drunk, get high, try to take advantage of drunk slutty girls, and/or pass out. Then there's the bars. Same deal. I was into this kind of stuff when I was a teenager and now that I'm tired of it and realize it was getting me nowhere in life I don't know what to do with myself except to retreat from society: do some heavy reading, post to message boards like this one, maybe listen to some music, go out for a jog, maybe head out to a bar alone on Friday night for a couple of beers with no intention of socializing much less meeting someone romantically. I'm clueless because my social options seem to be: a) slacker lifestyle, b) party lifestyle, and I want nothing to do with those since I've already been there. The city is so alienating. There's nothing to do here, the people here are soulless. This is how it is for kids in their late teens - early twenties. Welcome to the our brave new world.[/QUOTE]
I am not referring to partying or completely laying off heavy reading, especially the Bible and acting stupid and being an egghead. I was talking about having good clean fun in courtship. Especially if she is a reader, read a book together and discuss it. I was referring to the fact that some people hide in books to avoid meeting socially with people. If you read many of my other posts you will see that I am a strong Сhristian with Reformed Views like TD. I suggest follow TD's advice and summit yourself to the headship of the Lord Jesus Christ and he wil clear your head and give you a proper perspective. He will lead you to a woman who also has been given a proper perspective and you will grow in your spiritual life together. Be bold in your prayer and pray for a Godly wife and that he will make you into the Godly man that she deserves.
2004-01-19 14:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]For the great majority of girls, I believe their actions, attitudes and beliefs about marriage and motherhood are largely based on their relationship with their fathers. If men had not abdicated their positions of responsiblity and leadership in all areas of our cultural life, then women today would not be making the choices they are. That's it, bottom line.
Unfortunately for you younger gentlemen, you have inherited the disastrous consequences of the bad decisions of the dying and dead men that came before you. Nevertheless, I don't think the proper plan to go about correcting the problem is to point fingers and lay blame on our females. No, the best thing to do is get your life right with God, assume responsibility for yourself, put your priorities in the right order and live each day accordingly. Then you may be blessed with that perfect woman who will likewise be attracted to you as a man who has his act together and one worthy of following for the rest of her natural life. Then if you are so blessed, raise your sons and daughters to be Godly men and women and thereby the cycle continues through another generation. Without any doubt, this is the divine plan for marriage and family and if followed will lead to a healthy, righteous society that is immune as is possible to evil predators and parasites.
In short, if you want a traditional woman with traditional morals, then go attend a traditional Christian church. But like I said, first get your own house in order.[/QUOTE]
This is the comsumate post on this thread. TD, even if I said the same things as you did, it is more effective for these young men to hear it from a Godly man. Believe it or not, many an unGodly woman has been convicted to repentance by observing the actions of a Godly man in their lives, like in school or work, when there was no father or other man modelling Godly manhood in their homes.
2004-01-19 17:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]This is the comsumate post on this thread. TD, even if I said the same things as you did, it is more effective for these young men to hear it from a Godly man. [/QUOTE]
Thank you skemper, although I would make no claim to being a Godly man. However, I do recognize and honor the ideal and hold it up as the standard we should all be working towards. I am 34 years old and have been married to the same wonderful woman for over 10 years now with three seemingly well adjusted young 'uns to boot.
2004-01-19 21:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Few women enter this time of their lives completely innocent in their past. Few young women today seem to be able to resist the temptations that this time of life affords them, and stories of the heartaches caused by the flightiness of young women are legion.[/QUOTE]
Let's be candid. Many of these same women are feminist career bitches who try to emulate "Sex and the City" are have-it-all women. Only now they're finding out that men their age don't care for their attitudes, their looks are fading fast or already have, and it's 10 minutes to midnight on their biological clocks.
Here, check this article out...it's spot on, and sure to enrage feminists with the inescapable truth:
[url=http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/fiori3.html]Angela Fiori: Feminism's Third Wave[/url]