← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Ed Toner
Thread ID: 11864 | Posts: 26 | Started: 2004-01-12
2004-01-12 20:26 | User Profile
This is not new, but it may have been overlooked for a while. A review of facts, passenger Manifests, etc., reveals NO men with Arab names, and none of the 19 FBI designated terrorists were aboard any of the 4 flights that crashed on 9-11-01
Perhaps I missed something somewhere, and if so, please don't hesitate to point it out to me, likewise any errors or conflicting facts
[url]http://www.rense.com/general21/pass.htm[/url]
The fact of the matter is that no Arab names appeared on any of the 911 passenger manifests as they were originally released, nor on the alleged DNA reproductions of the alleged Pentagon plane that Bush's alleged FBI alleges they made.
Also the 911 websites have an enormous amount of info. The passenger manifest lists are buried in there someplace. Here are a few:
[url]http://www.keystonereport.com/911.htm[/url]
[url]http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html[/url]
[url]http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/911first.html[/url]
[url]http://www.osamaskidneys.com/links.html[/url]
[url]http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports.htm[/url]
[url]http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html[/url]
[url]http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/best_911_sites.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lindex2.html[/url] Some Odd Facts..............
Lists:
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/A11pass.html[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/A77pass.html[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/U93pass.html[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/U175pass.html[/url]
Autopsy report.
[url]http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm[/url] No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II -- The Passengers By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D.
A word from the Editor & Chief:
The Gentlemen who conducted the research and original report on Flight 77 is a Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private ............
2004-01-12 20:45 | User Profile
I am not meaning to be an Devil's advocate here, but why would any of the terrorists be stupid enough to use their real names and if Arab, Arab names?
2004-01-12 21:32 | User Profile
Read this last link carefully. [url]http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm[/url]
Passengers who pay cash for one way trips recieved extra scrutiny, even back then. More careful examination of ID, etc..
2004-01-12 22:38 | User Profile
Seeing the Arab world's reaction to the devastation irked me, regardless of whether one of their own did it.
I don't like them one bit as it is, so this thread won't change my mind on Arabs.
2004-01-12 23:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Seeing the Arab world's reaction to the devastation irked me, regardless of whether one of their own did it. [/QUOTE]
Jay, what reaction did you see? Most every Arab country issued official denouncements of the act and sympathy for the victims.
2004-01-13 01:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ed Toner]Read this last link carefully. [url]http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm[/url]
Passengers who pay cash for one way trips recieved extra scrutiny, even back then. More careful examination of ID, etc..[/QUOTE]
Don't one-way trips cost the same or more as return trips? Also, wouldn't would-be terrorists be smart enough to know that doing unconventional things only attracts attention?
2004-01-13 01:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Jay, what reaction did you see? Most every Arab country issued official denouncements of the act and sympathy for the victims.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the Arabs, but there was a lot of sincere sympathy for the US in Europe or Russia. I am not sure it would have been shown today. And why would anyone expect the Arabs not cheer that given that the US is supporting their mortal enemy?
2004-01-13 02:40 | User Profile
As a matter of fact, 3 Jews were caught celebrating on top of a building in NJ. They were arrested, questioned, and released.
In the past, I had discounted the theory put forth by many that somehow, the planes had been taken over electronically from somewhere on the ground, and flown remotely to their targets. I still reject this, but as you say, WTF was it?
I'm an old pilot. I have amassed 20,000 hours over 34 years in my lifetime. Three of those years was instructing student Naval Aviators in Beechcraft T-34's at NAAS Saufley Field.
Now, these boys were the cream of the crop. They were hand picked from thousands of applicants. It was a lot of fun, and a very satisfying 3 years.
I took them from Primary, right through acrobatics, in 3 tough stages. The T-34 was a trainer, easy to fly, no need to rely on instruments, it was a seat of the pants, look over the nose type of flying. It took about 15 hours of intense instruction just to get these men safe for solo, where they would take off in a familiar aircraft from a familiar airport, fly around for an our or so in a familiar area, then come back and land at Saufley. They get their neckties snipped, hand me a bottle of John Jamieson Irish Whiskey, then come over to my place where we would get drunk together. (Not bad duty.)
Now, supposedly at leat 4 of these 19 managed to fly the most sophisticated airliners in the world. They had minimum training in light planes, taught by civilian instructor pilots. None did well. Most of the instructors, when questioned about their students had nothing but disparaging remarks about thier ablity.
They supposedly managed to board 4 aircraft, passing security with boxcutters on them somewhere, overpower a plane load of passengers, break into the cockpits, slay the pilots, take the controls, determine their position visually, then take up a heading for the WTC or Pentagon. Where do we get such men? Not from the sands of Arabia, says I.
Then they let down from altitude, pick up their targets, and fly quite expertly into the buildings. One even made a very nice circling approach instead of going straight in.
I find this VERY hard to believe.
2004-01-13 02:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Seeing the Arab world's reaction to the devastation irked me, regardless of whether one of their own did it.
I don't like them one bit as it is, so this thread won't change my mind on Arabs.[/QUOTE]
We are all Jews now
[url]http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/index.html[/url]
By GILBERT PORTER BLYTHE
Since September 11, 2001, George W. Bush has made no attempt to understand the motives of people who hate us. A few hours after the World Trade Center collapsed, he announced that "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." Two days later, he spoke of terrorists who "hate our values" and "hate what America stands for." President Bush has never deviated from this theme. He insists that attacks on our soldiers in Iraq are led by people who "hate freedom."
In Mr. Bush's view, Arabs, the Taliban, al Qaeda, and Muslims all around the world do not hate us because we have hurt them or harmed their interests in any way. They hate us because they hate freedom, and America stands for freedom. It is only a small step to conclude that they hate us because we are good and they are bad. Some of the president's less simple-minded advisors paint a slightly more complex picture: Arabs are jealous of America's cultural and economic success, and their oppressive regimes channel internal discontent into hatred for America and Israel.
It is convenient but dangerous for Americans to convince themselves that their enemies have no real grievances, but want to kill us only because they hate our goodness and blame us for their own failures. If they really hate us for what we are rather than what we do, they cannot be reasoned with but must be treated as dangerous madmen. We need not think seriously about their motives or consider what we may have done to injure or offend them.
The almost deliberate blindness required for this point of view is particularly evident in the president's insistence that Iraqis attack our soldiers because the attackers "hate freedom." What they hate, of course, is occupation by foreigners, rule by infidels, daily humiliation, and the steady stream of Iraqi casualties added to the estimated tens of thousands we killed during the initial phase of the war. They do not hate freedom; they seek freedom from occupation and humiliation.
To insist that Osama bin Laden also hates freedom is equally obtuse, in light of his clearly stated reasons for opposing the United States: the presence of American troops on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia, economic sanctions against Iraq, and especially our unwavering support for Israel. In his October 18 message to Americans he was quite explicit: "We are counting our dead, may God bless them, especially in Palestine, who are killed by your allies the Jews. We are going to take revenge for them from your blood, God willing, as we did on the day of New York." Mr. bin Laden has frequently denounced what he describes as the cultural and moral decadence of the West, but he has never cited it as a reason to kill us.
It is only by convincing ourselves we are the blameless victims of unfathomable hatred that we can justify acts that shock the world and that even our European allies oppose: preemptive war, unilateral violence, and detention without charges. We are so convinced of our own purity and of the irrational wickedness of our enemies that we turn on our former friends, most strikingly against the French, if they fail to understand that we are in a struggle of pure good versus pure evil.
There is a not-coincidental similarity between the president's views of good and evil and the Jewish preoccupation with anti-Semitism. Jews have always insisted that if gentiles dislike them it is because of who they are, not what they do. Adopting a view like that of Mr. Bush's view of attacks against the United States, they refuse to consider whether their own actions may cause hostility. In the United States, the Anti-Defamation League, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and countless smaller organizations are on constant alert for anti-Semitism anywhere in the world, yet the ADL and the Wiesenthal Center are silent as to why anyone would dislike Jews. The Steven Roth Institute of Contemporary Anti-Semitism and Racism at Tel Aviv University has extensive files of reported anti-Semitism but nothing to say about what causes it. For those organizations, anti-Semitism is like Mr. Bush's conception of Osama bin Laden: an irrational upwelling of pure evil.
Some Jews have tried to explain anti-Semitism. Hannah Arendt concluded that 20th-century anti-Semitism was an outgrowth of totalitarian Marxism and Nazism that somehow singled out Jews as unacceptable outsiders. Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer of the Frankfurt School argued that it was part of what they called "the authoritarian personality" and was something akin to mental illness. In his 1978 book In Bluebird's Castle, George Steiner wrote that Nazis were anti-Semites because Jews had better, more humane values. Robert Wistrich, who calls anti-Semitism "the longest hatred," published his views in a 1999 book whose title summarizes his findings: Demonizing the Other.
Some Jews have argued that Christians hate Jews because they see them as "Christ-killers," but that does not explain persistent hostility toward Jews by the ancient Greeks and Romans, or why Muslims have repeatedly repressed Jews. The most common view among Jews is the one expressed by the World Union of Jewish Students in its brief Internet discussion of the causes of anti-Semitism, in which it concludes it is a "persistent hate without logic." That is an almost perfect expression of Mr. Bush's view of anti-American terror: it, too, is "hate without logic."
The Jewish dismissal of gentile grievances is just as sweeping and self-serving as Mr. Bush's dismissal of Arab and Muslim grievances against us. Human beings do not "hate without logic." Sustained hatred takes too much energy for it to be wasted on millions of innocents. Over the centuries, Jews have been disliked because of their clannishness, contempt for non-Jews, disrespect for national institutions, disloyalty, sharp business practices, and many other things people do not like. But just as Mr. Bush has convinced himself that the Iraqis who attack our soldiers "hate freedom," Jews have convinced themselves they are blameless targets of irrational hatred.
For many Jews, any criticism of Jews or of Israel is hatred and bigotry. Practically the entire world deplores Israel's treatment of Palestinians, yet the Israeli authorities refuse to examine their own motives or behavior. Instead, they insist their critics are anti-Semites, meaning, presumably, that if any other group treated Palestinians as they do, the world would approve.
It is, of course, very much in the interest of American Jews to encourage Mr. Bush in his delusions about the motives of our enemies. Arabs and Muslims hate us primarily because we support Israel and pay for the weapons with which it kills Palestinians. If we were to think about the motives of terrorists rather than dismiss them as delusional murderers, we might reconsider our support for Israel. That would be anathema for Jews, many of whom make no secret of their passionate commitment to Israel.
For the many influential Jews in Mr. Bush's circle and in the media, that is why it is important to encourage Americans to think like Jews, that is, to ignore or downplay the concrete reasons others may have to hate us, and to think of them as irrational fanatics who respond only to force. It is in the interest of Jews for gentiles to think like Jews, to see the world as a black-and-white battleground of the virtuous against the wicked, rather than as a complex tangle of competing claims in which there may be legitimacy on both sides. George W. Bush is only the most important and powerful convert to that view of the world.
It would be entirely in keeping with our increasingly Jewish way of thinking to invent a new word, analogous to anti-Semitism, to describe those who hate freedom. "Anti-libertism" or "libertophobia" are awkward constructions, but with enough repetition, Americans could be trained to believe that all attacks on the United States are just vicious, irrational acts of "anti-libertism" to be forcibly put down. Acts of "anti-libertism" obviously would be the work of maniacs rather than rational men acting on real grievances.
In fact, the word is unnecessary. We already have the word we need. Only America stands with Israel in a world filled with anti-Semites. Only the United States defended Israel when it bombed what it said was a terrorist camp in Syria in retaliation for a Palestinian suicide bombing in October. Only the United States and its client states ââ¬â Micronesia and the Marshall Islands ââ¬â voted with Israel against a UN General Assembly resolution in September urging Israel to withdraw its threat to "remove" Yasser Arafat. No fewer than 133 nations voted the other way. In 2001, when delegates to a conference on racism in South Africa criticized Israel, only the Americans walked out in solidarity with Israel. It is no surprise that the Arab world sees America and Israel as joint enemies. Muslims burn American flags at the same rallies at which they burn Israeli flags, and chant "death to America" with almost as much as passion as they chant "death to Israel."
Mr. Bush may as well announce that American and Israeli interests really are indistinguishable, and that attacks on the United States are really attacks on Israel, motivated by the same blinkered hatreds. Let us therefore use the word that most readily comes to mind, and recognize that those who hate us are, first and foremost, anti-Semites and that hatred of America is simply another form of "the longest hatred." More than ever, in our thinking and in our behavior, we are all Jews now.
Gilbert Porter Blythe is the pen name of a Washington, D.C.-area journalist.
Posted October 19, 2003
é 2003 WTM Enterprises
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"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favourite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels & Wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification: It leads also to concessions to the favourite Nation of priviledges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions--by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained--& by exciting jealousy, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal priviledges are withheld: And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favourite Nation) facility to betray, or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition corruption or infatuation." ~ George Washington
2004-01-13 03:01 | User Profile
Never noticed till just now, but Bushie was NOT lying when "he spoke of terrorists who "hate our values" and "hate what America stands for." "
"Our" values are the jews and their shitty little country above ALL ELSE and what America stands for is whatEVER the jews want "us" to do!
Of COURSE the Arabs hate "us"!!!!
Geez, maybe Bush IS telling the truth!
2004-01-13 04:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ed Toner]This is not new, but it may have been overlooked for a while. A review of facts, passenger Manifests, etc., reveals NO men with Arab names, and none of the 19 FBI designated terrorists were aboard any of the 4 flights that crashed on 9-11-01
Perhaps I missed something somewhere, and if so, please don't hesitate to point it out to me, likewise any errors or conflicting facts
[url]http://www.rense.com/general21/pass.htm[/url]
The fact of the matter is that no Arab names appeared on any of the 911 passenger manifests as they were originally released, nor on the alleged DNA reproductions of the alleged Pentagon plane that Bush's alleged FBI alleges
Also the 911 websites have an enormous amount of info. The passenger manifest lists are buried in there someplace. Here are a few:
[url]http://www.keystonereport.com/911.htm[/url]
[url]http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html[/url]
[url]http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/911first.html[/url]
[url]http://www.osamaskidneys.com/links.html[/url]
[url]http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports.htm[/url]
[url]http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html[/url]
[url]http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/best_911_sites.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lindex2.html[/url] Some Odd Facts..............
Lists:
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/A11pass.html[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/A77pass.html[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/U93pass.html[/url]
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/U175pass.html[/url]
Autopsy report.
[url]http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm[/url] No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II -- The Passengers By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D.
A word from the Editor & Chief:
The Gentlemen who conducted the research and original report on Flight 77 is a Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private ............[/QUOTE]
Lets see now,,,,,hummmmmm,,,,,, the terrs were incountry for several months planning their attack, however,,,,,, they rented a car and also a cab in order to get to the airport,,,,,, they left a bunch of terr matirial in the rental car,,,,,,, they left a bunch of material in "a rented motel room",,,,,,,, they left a buch of material in the apartment that they rented,,,,,, they started a fight at the airpor in "order to atract attention?,,,,,,,, the night before they went to a bar and got drunk, started a fight and left a book of the Koran jajajaajajaj love it,,,,,,,,,, they were not in the survilance tape of the airport,,,,,,,,,,, they never register when the entered the plane (they must have been invicible),,,,,,,, the only passport to survive the crash was one belonging to one of the terr,,,,,,, 11 of the 18 so called terrs are alive and well...... they only learned to operate a light plane (like a kid learning in a pedal car and then driving a Porcha,,,,,,,, and so on and so on, does the US government and the Jews think that we are? stupid ? "WHEN THE TRUTH COMES INTO THE LIGHT, THE LIES WILL HIDE IN THE DARK',,,,,, PONCE
2004-01-13 14:52 | User Profile
Wheither Arab or not, I think the terrorists were not on the passenger manifests because they got on by other means than thru the passenger terminal. There was some sort of inside job going on and security was somehow breached. And yes, Ed, these pilots had trainning, but I don't think they needed to go to the US for it. Also, I think that people who planned carefully enough to not have any survivors would not be stupid enough to leave evidence of who they really were behind.
2004-01-13 15:26 | User Profile
I'd never be one to underestimate the skill needed to fly, but....I have friends that fly planes all the time for fun. I know they're twin props - not jets - but if they can do it once per 6 months, quickly learning, why can't someone steer a jet into a building?
Oh, and T.D., every Arabian country was cheering in the streets. Give me a break if you say you didn't notice any of that. I'm certainly not sympathetic to the Iraq War, I don't think people "hate us for our freedom", nor do I feel sympathy for Israel.
But I don't like the Arabs either. THat's not a mutually exclusive viewpoint.
-Jay
2004-01-13 16:53 | User Profile
teering a jet into a building" is not that simple. First, theyhad to determine their position after murdering the pilots. Form that position, they had to determine a heading on a compass that would take them to their targets, without benefit of nav. instruments.
They would have to descend from high altitudes not exceeding speeds which would rip the wings off, then select the striking point, and circle to make the hit, all the while remaining cool and not "chickening out".
Have your buddy try it sometime.
2004-01-13 16:53 | User Profile
-Jay:[QUOTE]But I don't like the Arabs either.[/QUOTE]
Do you dislike them for some reason?
2004-01-13 17:09 | User Profile
A few other things bother me.
Lets see now, the terrorist suspects were in this country for several months planning their attack, however, they rented a car and also a cab in order to get to the airport.T hey left a bunch of "terrorist" material in the rental car, they left a bunch of material in a rented motel room. They left a buch of such material in the apartment that they rented, they started a minor fight at the airport in "order to atract attention. Why?
The night before some of them went to a bar and got drunk, started a fight and left a copy of the Koran. They were not in the survilance tape of the airport.
When a flight is ready to board, the gate Agent goes to the head of the Jetway, and hands a Flight Attendant a list of passengers who hold boarding passes. As each PAX checks in, the name is checked off. They were never on the list handed back to the Gate Agent when they closed and locked the door.
The only passport to survive the crash was one belonging to one of the terrorists, Mohammed Atta. It was found intack two blocks from the WTC. We all know what a passport is. Why didn't the Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Recorder "indestructible" Black Boxes survive?
11 of the 18 so called terrorists named are are alive and well.
2004-01-13 17:09 | User Profile
I think Jay might be teetering on Hannitization Syndrome. It's common throughout the USA, and immunity to this fever is tough to find. It can strike anyone, anywhere; no one is immune. Can someone please find Edgar Steele's brilliant essay "It Wasn't Arabs" and post it again for Jay and everyone else to read. We all need to be reminded from time to time. Arabs are the only people in the world actively and bravely fighting the jewish hegemony. We're not.
2004-01-13 17:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Oh, and T.D., every Arabian country was cheering in the streets. Give me a break if you say you didn't notice any of that. I'm certainly not sympathetic to the Iraq War, I don't think people "hate us for our freedom", nor do I feel sympathy for Israel.
But I don't like the Arabs either. THat's not a mutually exclusive viewpoint.
-Jay[/QUOTE]
You don't think there were thousands upon thousands of European, Asian, African and even American folks cheering, as well? Why weren't they sought out and conveniently videotaped?
It still amazes me how not 1 or 2 hours after the buildings were hit the networks suddenly had videotape of Palestinians dancing in the streets that they looped to play right after each replay of the plane hitting the second WTC. Plane slams into tower, cut right to Palestinians dancing and cheering in the streets....over and over and over. Of course the Palestinian tape was revealed to be old footage from years ago, but I mean really, how much more blatant can the propaganda be?
I realize the threat of militant Islam, but there's not a day that goes by where we don't do nice, profitable business with almost every Arab country, especially in the oil bidness. I certainly don't dislike Arabs just for their being Arab. Doesn't mean I want them living here in Texas or owning every chain motel throughout the South, but I see no reason to not seek peaceful, mutually beneficial trade with any of them.
2004-01-13 17:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Doesn't mean I want them living here in Texas or owning every chain motel throughout the South, but I see no reason to not seek peaceful, mutually beneficial trade with any of them.[/QUOTE]
Not a chance of that happening.
The Patels already have the NoTell Motel business locked up here in the South.
2004-01-13 17:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Not a chance of that happening.
The Patels already have the NoTell Motel business locked up here in the South.[/QUOTE]
You got that right, amigo. Over the last couple of years I've stayed in motels in Vicksburg, MS, West Monroe, LA, Chattanooga, TN, Birmingham, AL and Memphis, every one of which was owned and operated by the people of the forehead dots. What's up with that? How'd they manage to solidify that kind of deal? There has to be some kind of government program or something. Disgusting.
2004-01-13 19:00 | User Profile
Dot's not good.
The Dot's have a purpose, you know. When the girls father finally settles on the the dowry figure, the groom rubs it off to see if he got a Motel, a Dunkin Donuts, or a 7-11.
2004-01-13 22:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ed Toner]A few other things bother me.
Lets see now, the terrorist suspects were in this country for several months planning their attack, however, they rented a car and also a cab in order to get to the airport.T hey left a bunch of "terrorist" material in the rental car, they left a bunch of material in a rented motel room. They left a buch of such material in the apartment that they rented, they started a minor fight at the airport in "order to atract attention. Why?
The night before some of them went to a bar and got drunk, started a fight and left a copy of the Koran. They were not in the survilance tape of the airport.
When a flight is ready to board, the gate Agent goes to the head of the Jetway, and hands a Flight Attendant a list of passengers who hold boarding passes. As each PAX checks in, the name is checked off. They were never on the list handed back to the Gate Agent when they closed and locked the door.
The only passport to survive the crash was one belonging to one of the terrorists, Mohammed Atta. It was found intack two blocks from the WTC. We all know what a passport is. Why didn't the Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Recorder "indestructible" Black Boxes survive?
11 of the 18 so called terrorists named are are alive and well.[/QUOTE]
Ed, this was what I was alluding to in my other answer but did not remember the details. I have never heard of Arab bombers going out the night before bragging about all the people they were going to kill and the virgins they will have in Paradise. Often their families don't know about it until they receive a video from the terrorist group showing the bomber telling his last will and testament.
2004-01-13 23:17 | User Profile
TD:
That's b/c the Patels of the world make personal sacrifices, saving every red-dotted dime they come across. And they keep plowing it into workable assets.
Contrast that with dipshit Joe Suburbanite. He gets an oppressive $300K mortgage (for his wife and 2 kids, and TWO only), drives an SUV (leased), and of course has season tix to the local NFL team.
He works 8-6 in a professional job, and puts away 2K/yr in savings. Spends like mad at the mall, so Taylor and Elle can have only the finest threads. No wonder he doesn't own the motels.
-Jay
2004-01-13 23:36 | User Profile
Jay - Go to Bombay sometime and see what they live like - ANIMALS. FILTH, FECES.
They can keep thier frugal lifestyles, IN BOMBAY - I like our way better, warts and all.
Send the bastards back.
2004-01-14 01:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]TD:
That's b/c the Patels of the world make personal sacrifices, saving every red-dotted dime they come across. And they keep plowing it into workable assets.
Contrast that with dipshit Joe Suburbanite. He gets an oppressive $300K mortgage (for his wife and 2 kids, and TWO only), drives an SUV (leased), and of course has season tix to the local NFL team.
He works 8-6 in a professional job, and puts away 2K/yr in savings. Spends like mad at the mall, so Taylor and Elle can have only the finest threads. No wonder he doesn't own the motels.
-Jay[/QUOTE]
So do we assume that these questionable financial decisions justify importing a whole caste of commercial businessmen who embody the description "cutthroat" who then use chain immigration to bring over several generations of slave labor to man their pestholes? What about the minority preferences these upstanding business owners receive- should we ignore that reality in order to continue heaping scorn on our fellow whites?
Jay, you must be supporting a passel of young ones yourself based on your response here and on other topics. How many mouths are you feeding, and how have you managed to do so well?
2004-01-14 16:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]So do we assume that these questionable financial decisions justify importing a whole caste of commercial businessmen [/QUOTE]
Whoa! When did I say I favored "importing" immigrants?!!?!?!
[QUOTE]who embody the description "cutthroat" who then use chain immigration to bring over several generations of slave labor to man their pestholes? [/QUOTE] Whoa![
[QUOTE]What about the minority preferences these upstanding business owners receive- should we ignore that reality in order to continue heaping scorn on our fellow whites?[/QUOTE] Are there minority preferences? Perhaps there are, you'd have to be specific. Most small biz loans are taken out by white males, so we're doing quite well economically.
And as for scorn, only b/c I expect much out of my fellow white males. They're being pushed by pushy wives to provide material goods at the expense of true weath.
[QUOTE]Jay, you must be supporting a passel of young ones yourself based on your response here and on other topics. How many mouths are you feeding, and how have you managed to do so well?[/QUOTE]
None yet. One on the way, and believe me, it won't be getting "Baby Gap" as a toddler. I didn't need it. As for me, I've got nothing to apologize for in my life yet, but thanks for the concern.
-Jay