← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Ed Toner
Thread ID: 11859 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2004-01-12
2004-01-12 18:49 | User Profile
The Hon. Rep. Chris Smith, R NJ 4th District.
[url]http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopulation/posters.html[/url] The RED BLOCK shows the phenomenal population growth being fueled by the federal government's immigration policies. The red represents all the immigrants (above the replacement level of 222,000) who have arrived -- or are projected to arrive -- since 1970, plus their descendants, minus deaths.
The GREEN BLOCK represents U.S. population growth due to the descendants of 1970-stock Americans. It assumes that these "old-stock" Americans will continue their present fertility and mortality rates. There were 203 million people living in the U.S. in 1970. Births to that population have exceeded their deaths, resulting in the growth illustrated in the green block. But the below-replacement-level fertility of "old-stock" Americans will allow this group to stabilize in size soon after the Baby Boomers' children finish having babies. (The Green Block also accounts for replacement-level immigration, which the Census Bureau currently estimates at 222,000 a year.)
Without the radical increase in the numbers of immigrants coming to the United States since 1970, U.S. population would almost be stabilized by now and would peak in 2020 at 255 million (52 million higher than in 1970).
The TOP LINE of the chart represents the actual U.S. population growth between 1970 and now, and is a projection of what the growth will be between now and the year 2050 if fertility, mortality and immigration rates remain similar to those of today. The additional 200 million people will cause a doubling of the U.S. population of 1970 -- a time when most Americans believed the country already had enough congestion and sprawl.
Of the 120 million people who will be added to the United States over the next five decades, 100% are represented in the RED BLOCK on the chart above.
To find similar population growth in foreign countries, we must look to the Third World.
Nearly every other advanced country in the world is moving quickly toward a stabilized population -- or already has achieved it. But Congress each year endorses immigration numbers that force the United States to deal with many of the same problems of rampant population growth that plague the world's poorest countries.
The Future Shown in the Chart Above Is a Future that Does NOT Have To Happen.
Congress, in my case this is YOU, Chris Smith, Can Change that Future Quickly and Easily.
Please do something. If you don't, the futire for our children is a dismal life in a country the has been reduced to Third World Status by a demographic invasion that Pres. Bush seems to approve of.
Ed Toner LCDR USN Ret. Brick NJ 08724-2807
2004-01-12 18:54 | User Profile
I've come to the opinion that one is better served banging one's head against the wall than making any effort to influence our Congress to do anything curtailing immigration. For those of us who do oppose immigration and even dare to dream of deportation, it's past time to move to plan B, whatever that is.
2004-01-12 19:05 | User Profile
Curious, T.D. : what do you think plan B is?
Honestly, I'm exasperated.
-Jay
2004-01-12 23:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Curious, T.D. : what do you think plan B is?
Honestly, I'm exasperated.
-Jay[/QUOTE]
I don't know, Jay. Probably voluntary physical congregation and subsequent segregation/secession. I'm open to any other answers, as well. We're literally drowning down here in Texas.
2004-01-13 15:47 | User Profile
I'm in Kansas, so I don't share the living standards you're going thru down there.
I'm irked as hell. But I've given up. It's not going to change, I've resigned myself to that. I'm going to be a happy person, raise a nice civil family, and do the best I can.
What's that great quote, God Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change? B/c it never will.
-Jay
2004-01-13 16:28 | User Profile
The second amendment to the US Constitution was intended, by its authors, to be "plan B". No doubt they didn't consider the possibility that its inheritors would have, by the time it was needed, given up their freedom of association and right to organize.
2004-01-13 16:52 | User Profile
The only plan B I'm working on, with my wife, is moving to Europe and getting the fcuk out of here. We're closer now to that dream. Not that Europe is utopia, but the madness that is the Untied States of Israel is a sickness that only a shotgun blast to the head will stop. People talk about "freedom of speech" lacking in Europe, but at least they don't ENCOURAGE 3rd World Turds to overrun them and rape their women. Shoot, there's open movements in Europe working at stopping immigration altogether and deporting some of the bastards. And, if you think that the US has "free speech", sorry, but that's a delusion only the jews can make you believe. The USA is finished, dudes, forget it. It ain't your country White man, and all the platitudes about "just worry about yourself and family and be happy" is bullshit. Sooner, rather than later, this country is going to burn and White people are going to be Auschwitzed.
2004-01-13 17:07 | User Profile
x - I agree with you (and wish you luck and success, btw), except about the immigration policies in Europe. They are indeed being overrun with 3rd worlders, which is why some opposition has arisen (much more than in the evil empire). Unfortunately, Europe is under the US thumb, as is most of the world. Should too much opposition arise, don't doubt for a second that the US, or its gallant little ally in the Levant, would move against it.
I'm not sure how well armed Europeans are. They've rebelled against communist rule before, relatively unarmed.
2004-01-13 17:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I don't know, Jay. Probably voluntary physical congregation and subsequent segregation/secession. I'm open to any other answers, as well. We're literally drowning down here in Texas.[/QUOTE]
I agree that voluntary segregation may be the only option, even if this means isolation and giving up some comforts.
I am familiar with the situation in Texas, at least where it was 15 years ago, having lived there for a number of years. Its worse now, I know.
It seems the one trend consistant with our survival is the phenomenom of "white flight." Obviously large numbers of white people can't stand living in places that have become degenerate, multicultural sewers. The difficulty is getting these refugees to admit the truth of why they left. Most still refuse to admit the racial aspect, but blame it on high taxes, crowding, or bad schools. Sooner or later we all must connect the dots and face reality objectively.
It goes without saying that the constantly predicted "white revolution" was always just a delusion for arm chair revolutionaries and organizations which preferred to engage in fantasy and exploit people's false hope rather than constructive activities.
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2004-01-13 17:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Not that Europe is utopia...[/QUOTE]
Just saw some footage last night on the televitz showing Moroccans rioting in Belgium over something or other. At least here in the States we still have lots of guns and as NN used to say, that's really what it all boils down to.
2004-01-13 18:11 | User Profile
Lots of guns + No will to use them = A lot of hot air and... servitude.
2004-01-13 18:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ruffin]Lots of guns + No will to use them = A lot of hot air and... servitude.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, Ruffin. But it does beg the rhetorical question, would you rather have the guns and no present will, or the will with no guns?
I'm of the opinion that will is easier to manufacture than weaponry, but I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
2004-01-13 18:17 | User Profile
I honestly don't know, Tex. This is the first experiment of its kind that I know of. I do think there's more truth to the maxim "where there's a will there's a way" than there could be for the reverse.
2004-01-13 18:58 | User Profile
On the subject of guns, I came across this charming quote today:
Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed by sister democracies such as Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the United States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically. It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.
2004-01-13 19:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Just saw some footage last night on the televitz showing Moroccans rioting in Belgium over something or other. At least here in the States we still have lots of guns and as NN used to say, that's really what it all boils down to.[/QUOTE] They're rioting because they can't get easy access to the State's Nipple unlike here in the USofIsrael where 'come one, come all' suck, suck, suck is the rule of the day.... I also post on another forum, music mainly, but also art and politics. I made a post where lightly condemning Bush's amnesty and the future of those decisions....lightly condemning, no visible 'hate' and I swear, the responses ranged from "KKK Nut", to "calm down, take a prozac, don't be angry" to sarcastic "oooohhh, I better go lock my doors and my daughter up cuz the Mexicans are coming!!!"...... So, as for the vast majority of White Americans doing anything to stop immigration, or even vigilantism, or using a gun (!) is pretty much nil. Sorry.
2004-01-13 23:12 | User Profile
Yep, just as I said: hopeless.
My own close friends won't totally agree with me. Always justifying something or another. They only "generally" agree with me, so I can only imagine what Sally Soccermom thinks about my rhetoric.
(Buchanan's poll numbers tell me alot)
2004-01-15 14:50 | User Profile
1.I read somewhere that the birth rate is not high enough among Americans that are already here, and that some 50% of our population increase is coming from this immigration...they have to get the money they have stolen from social security over the years from somewhere..
I decided when i was about ten years old that i would not be having children. you can call what we have what you want, but it is SERFDOM pure and simple from where i sit...just because my parents were gullible enough to bring me into this world to be a serf, doesn't mean i am naive enough to enslave someone else the same way....(why do you think that birth control for women is not covered by insurance...babies born or aborted are big business in our country, and that is the ugly truth).
I am stunned and perplexed as to WHY americans are NOT waking up and seeing that our politicians'/entire federal government are continually betraying them and their interests, and their children's interests.
I read somewhere that 75% of americans were against the current "amnesty for illegals"...(this is not great for the illegals either...their wages are extremely low, and now they will be paying tax on those wages, and thus getting even less)..I also read that some 65% of americans were against NAFTA.. and yet year after year this government that we no longer control, and which no longer represents us, stabs us in the back, over and over and over again.. the only explanation i can think of is tiem 5...they are all brainwashed.
OTOH this is the first time in my memory that i have heard ordinary americans start talking about revolution.
I remember going away to college...and when i came back there had been an astronomical increase in hispanics to the area. It is interesting to note that the crime rates in the area also sky rocketed about that time...in an area of professional and blue collar people (the blue collars were smart...they all moved out of the area)we started experiencing drive by shootings, gang warfare, and all sorts of niceties usually reserved for huge cities like LA..
OURS is the most conditioned, brainwashed and numbed out/dumbed down population ever to live on the planet....stalin would blush with pride.
6..As far as guns go this makes me LIVID. So only criminals be able to get guns freely..brilliant..
2004-01-16 12:16 | User Profile
Leveller,
I'd like to ask Krauthammer if he considers Switzerland to be civilized. In Israel's caseI know that he would say they have to be armed because of terrorism, even though half of it is caused by the Zionists themselves.
Thanks for the quote. I have been looking for that to show to the idiots who believe this guy is a "conservative."
2004-01-16 16:56 | User Profile
Certainly, I've never seen the USA in such political peril in my lifetime. Now there is not a barely minimal opposition to the leftist enemy as in the past. The neocons are imposters, and one does not have to be a political genius to recognize them for what they are.
2004-01-16 20:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Leveller,
I'd like to ask Krauthammer if he considers Switzerland to be civilized. In Israel's caseI know that he would say they have to be armed because of terrorism, even though half of it is caused by the Zionists themselves.
Thanks for the quote. I have been looking for that to show to the idiots who believe this guy is a "conservative."[/QUOTE]
Sert,
I tried to find the whole article online but didn't have any luck.
The comparison with Britain was especially rich, since gun crime has gone up every year since guns were banned, and Yardie/black gun (and drug) crime is rampant in the areas where they operate. But the law-abiding British olympic shooting team now has to practice in ... Switzerland. So much for 'civilization'.
2004-01-16 21:33 | User Profile
With the national debt and personal debt careening out of control, non-stop foreign wars, and our industrial and tech sectors fleeing the country in droves, economic collapse is inevitable. Stay sober and keep your powder dry boys because when this ponzi scheme breaks it is going to be a bumpy ride.
2004-01-23 03:59 | User Profile
Chaos as Social Policy Divide and Conquer
By Paula Devlin January 15, 2004
[QUOTE]Every area in the United States is being impacted by illegals of all sorts. This is obvious to those who have hadto relocate in the past 5 years: they are everywhere. The situation is out of control and promises to get worse. There won't be a middle class. That's what this fight is all about. [I][B]We are in the last stages of a struggle to maintain a homeland that retains the unique characteristics of the nation our parents knew:[/I] [/B] one nation, under God, land of the free, home of the brave, limited government and taxation.[/QUOTE]
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