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Thread ID: 11823 | Posts: 23 | Started: 2004-01-10
2004-01-10 01:37 | User Profile
My post about abortion at Ted Nugent's bulletin board. Let's see how long it stays up. My guess: 1 hour.
[url]http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/064424.html[/url]
2004-01-10 03:19 | User Profile
Good job. Keep up the good work.
Have you explained to these geniuses who is behind gun control yet?
2004-01-10 04:05 | User Profile
I did.
2004-01-10 06:02 | User Profile
Agreed -- nice work, Franco. Although you probably won't get many people on that board rushing to take your side against "snowdog" (jewdog), you've undoubtedly sown a few seeds of thought in their minds. Some folks will undoubtedly go to your link (unless that thread does in fact get deleted) and see the info just out of curiosity, even if they don't actually reply on that thread. Then, when those people are confronted with info on the same topic in the future, they will be more likely to interpret the new information at least partly in light of the old.
2004-01-10 13:01 | User Profile
The gun crowd has to think when you throw them the names of the gun control movement--Shumer, Waxman, Boxer, Feinstein and Lautenberg, and point out this is an effective covert movement, then explain that the JPFO is an overt, ineffective movement designed to divert their focus.
Years of following gun control issues is precisely what steered me to the realities of the clever tribe.
Don't doubt for a moment that your efforts are wasted. It takes time and patience and persistance.
2004-01-10 23:27 | User Profile
Uncle Franco has posted about 4 posts there and.....has not been banned yet.
Way cool!
2004-01-11 01:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]Years of following gun control issues is precisely what steered me to the realities of the clever tribe.[/QUOTE]
It's funny the things they get themselves into. They create their own problems, by trying to create problems among us. Gun Control is only one of thousands of issues the chosen have brought about.
2004-01-11 08:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Uncle Franco has posted about 4 posts there and.....has not been banned yet.[/QUOTE]
All posters will kindly note that I have not called anyone names on this board. Yet people are calling me names on this board. Go figure.
Well done, Franco.
2004-01-12 03:07 | User Profile
Look at the responses to my posts at the Nugent forum. That forum reminds me a lot of other forums that we have all been kicked off of.
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2004-01-12 03:57 | User Profile
Examples of responses:
[url]http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/064432-2.html[/url]
2004-01-12 11:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Examples of responses:
[url]http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/064432-2.html[/url][/QUOTE] When I first started cyber-activism those kinds of replies were demoralizing. I hung on like a pit bulldog and was pleased to see many of those outraged posters became very skeptical about their positions. You have a good style, you're doing a great job.
2004-01-12 12:06 | User Profile
Some ammo for Franco:
[url]http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.07.18/oped6.html[/url]
The 'Jewish Issue' Issue
The Hour
By Leonard Fein
Some issues of Jewish life neither die nor even fade away. The most telling current evidence of that is the re-emergence, in recent weeks, of the "Is that a Jewish issue?" issue. Why, that is, should Jews ââ¬â as Jews ââ¬â care about this problem or that? Oughtn't the Jewish agenda be limited to those matters that immediately and directly affect the Jews? What makes gun control "a Jewish issue?" Or tax policy? Or... and on and on.
ââ¬ÅControlling guns is not only a political matter but a solemn religious obligation" -- Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations.
[url]http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.07.18/oped6.html[/url]
[url]http://www.thejewishweek.com/top/editletcontent.php3?artid=602[/url]
The theme of a recent conference on Jewish philanthropy was: ââ¬ÅSaving the Whales: Is It Jewish Funding?ââ¬Â The query is a close cousin to the more famously posed one ââ¬â What is a Jewish issue? ââ¬â a matter of particular interest to the Jewish Council for Public Affairs. This is so because the JCPA, the umbrella organization for 122 Jewish Community Relations Councils and 13 national agencies, develops public policy positions on behalf of the organized American Jewish community.
What is the JCPA's position on gun control?
[url]http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m4PRN/1999_Oct_27/56960076/p1/article.jhtml[/url]
NEW YORK, Oct. 27, 1999 /PRNewswire/ -- The American Jewish Congress' "STOP THE GUNS: PROTECT OUR KIDS" drive to secure a million petitions demanding that the U.S. Congress pass tough gun control legislation today received the endorsements of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, a national community relations group, and the Million Mom March, which will be held in support of gun control in Washington, DC and across the nation on Mother's Day.
[url]http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/7023/format/html/displaystory.html[/url]
"JCPA has a position strongly favoring gun control," Lawrence Rubin, JCPA's executive vice chairman, said when reached in Jerusalem.
2004-01-12 12:18 | User Profile
[url]http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jcpa+%22jewish+issue%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=94av5p%24mfh%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&rnum=4[/url]
Jewish history provides ample reason to expect the Jewish community to support citizen disarmament.
Jewish history over the last couple of millennia is characterized by a pattern in which Jews have aligned themselves with the gentile ruling elite and assisted that elite in its (usually) oppressive and exploitive relationship with the gentile masses. See Benjamin Ginsberg, "The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State"; Kevin MacDonald, "A People That Shall Dwell Alone", pp. 112-13 et seq; Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," pp. 62-64.
For a number of reasons, gentile rulers in Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa found Jews useful in building and maintaining their power. Jews' generally superior education and literacy made Jews useful as administrators and advisors, and Jews have long been useful as financiers. See Ginsberg, p. 9. Moreover, because of their ethnic separation from the gentile masses, they could be counted on to perform tasks such as tax collection without sympathy for the exploited masses. As Baer observes in "A History of the Jews in Christian Spain" [vol. I, trans. L. Schoffman, Philadelphia, Jewish Publication Society of America (1961), p. 33], monarchs or other species of autocrats, i.e., "the absolute ruler over an unfriendly native population, would attract to his service Jews -- the perpetual 'aliens' -- on whose loyal support he could count in securing his regime. This phenomenon, in varying forms, manifested itself time and again also in the history of Christian Europe."
Thus, gentile kings, princes, and sultans would invite Jews into their realms to provide services useful in maintaining or expanding the regent's wealth and power. Of course, knowing that their role in supporting the exploitive power structure (and their power and wealth relative to the masses) would engender animosity among the gentile masses, Jews customarily required assurances of protection from the ruling elite before moving into an area. Benzion Netanyahu, "The Origins of the Inquisition in 15th-Century Spain", pp. 71-72. Netanyahu (father of the former Israeli prime minister) writes:
"It was primarily because of the functions of the Jews as the king's revenue gatherers in the urban areas that the cities saw the Jews as the monarch's agents, who treated them as objects of massive exploitation. By serving as they did the interests of the kings, the Jews seemed to be working against the interests of the cities; and thus we touch again on the phenomenon we have referred to: the fundamental conflict between the kings and their people -- a conflict not limited to financial matters, but one that embraced all spheres of government that had a bearing on the people's life. It was in part thanks to this conflict of interest that the Jews could survive the harsh climate of the Middle Ages, and it is hard to believe they did not discern it when they came to resettle in Christian Europe. Indeed, their requests, since the days of the Carolingians, for assurances of protection before they settled in a place show (a) that they realized that the kings' positions on many issues differed from those of the common people and (b) that the kings were prepared, for the sake of their interests, to make common cause with the 'alien' Jews against the clear wishes of their Christian subjects. In a sense, therefore, the Jews' agreements with the kings in the Middle Ages resembled the understandings they had reached with foreign conquerors in the ancient world."
If you're relying on the protection of the state (as Jews have done for centuries), obviously you're going to favor a strong state -- unless the state fails to provide such protection, in which case Jews have been at the forefront of movements seeking to reform or supplant such regimes. Ginsberg, pp. 9-10 (an example being the overthrow of the tsar in Russia after the tsar tolerated widespread pogroms). An armed citizenry is a threat to the state and -- where that state is committed to protecting the Jewish population -- is therefore perceived as a threat to the Jewish group. Moreover, an armed citizenry is a direct threat to Jews, who have a history of being targeted for violence by the people they live among.
The founding fathers envisioned the RKBA as a check on government power, but -- although there are Jewish individuals who support the right to keep and bear arms -- organized Jewry perceives that its interests are best served by a powerful government and, therefore, by citizen disarmament. Thus, the vast majority of Jewish political influence that is devoted to this issue is devoted to abrogating the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. It is no coincidence that the rise of Jewish political power over the last half-century has been accompanied by a rise in government power.
Going back to Shahak (p. 64):
"It must be pointed out that in all the worst anti-Jewish persecutions, that is, where Jews were killed, the ruling elite, the emperor and the pope, the kings, the higher aristocracy and the upper clergy, as well as the rich bourgeoisie in the autonomous cities -- were always on the side of the Jews. The latter's enemies belonged to the more oppressed and exploited classes and those close to them in daily life and interests, such as the friars of the mendicant orders. . . . For this reason all the massacres of Jews during the classical period were part of a peasant rebellion or other popular movements at times when the government was for some reason especially weak."
Thus, in Jewish history a weak government has meant pogroms. A weak government coupled with an armed citizenry is an even scarier prospect for the Jewish community in view of its history.
2004-01-13 22:40 | User Profile
More fun there:
[url]http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/064709.html[/url]
People on that Nuge board seem a lot like FR posters.
2004-01-13 23:33 | User Profile
"People on that Nuge board seem a lot like FR posters."
I'm not surprised. Nugent is just a neocon who believes in the 2nd Amendment (thus making him more dangerous, as his one sensible political position lulls people into a false sense of security).
2004-01-14 00:53 | User Profile
Nugent is not only a neo-con water boy, but a draft dodger as well. I bet that would go over real well on the "Nugeboard," eh, Franco. I wonder what they would think of their hero then, knowing that the people there are probably tub thumping flag waving idiots.
My compliments on the job you've done there.
2004-01-14 01:09 | User Profile
On Nugent/the draft:
[url]http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:lu9EZK6EuXwJ:groups.yahoo.com/group/AnimalAdvocacy/message/1428+Ted+Nugent+draft-dodger&hl=en&ie=UTF-8[/url] [cached]
2004-01-14 03:43 | User Profile
That's interesting, Franco. Some of the stuff he said almost makes me want to forgive him. This is a nice addition to the stuff we have about him in the archives. I wonder what his good friend Sean Hannity would think of this?
What an ass.
2004-01-14 12:33 | User Profile
Here's a discussion of the JPFO on the Gold is Money forum:
[url]http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=6892[/url]
2004-01-15 04:01 | User Profile
It's gone, whatever it was...
[QUOTE]404 Not Found
Not Found The requested URL /ubb/Forum1/HTML/064424.html was not found on this server.
Apache/1.3.27 Server at nugeboard.tednugent.com Port 80 [/QUOTE]
2004-01-15 04:09 | User Profile
Actually, no. None of my posts have been pulled yet. The URLs may change a little....
[url]http://www.tednugent.com/cgi-bin/tnusa/nugeboard3/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=General&number=1&DaysPrune=[/url]
2004-01-16 12:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]Good job. Keep up the good work.
Have you explained to these geniuses who is behind gun control yet?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Franco's been lighting a fire under the butts of Ted Jewgent's minions. I think the locals over there have just about had enough of the namby pamby liberals who control things over there. They need some educating and some discipline and they need it bad. They'll take anyone's money over there. They got no scruples and are puppets of the New York Jews that own most of Jewgent's operation. He sold out to them to finance his excessive life style so he's in their pocket and in deep.
2004-01-21 05:11 | User Profile
The nugent Dont talk back board if a freakin joke. If you say anything truthful that a moderator such as ward parker or val or jeff christensen do not like you will be banned from posting there. Ive seen it many times. Ward parker even banned an illinois state director from posting on the dont talk back board after ward confronTED him at some gathering. If it had been me no doubt ward would have been picking himself off the floor had it been me he started crap with. :punk: