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2004-01-09 19:26 | User Profile
A reminder to the OD crew, and some info:
Racial Heresies for the 21st Century American Renaissance Conference February 20-22, 2004 Herndon, Virginia, near Washington DC
American Renaissance is a magazine that provides unapologetic straight talk on race. Click here for articles about about race and IQ, race and crime, the dangers of mass Third World immigration, and many other important issues.
In all parts of the world, whites are afraid to speak out in their own interests. The costs of ââ¬Ådiversity,ââ¬Â racial differences in IQ, the threat of non-white immigrationââ¬âpoliticians and the media are afraid to discuss what these things mean for whites and their civilization.
We are different. We believe these are some of the most crucial issues we face. This conference will be an opportunity to hear some of the most courageous academics, journalists, and scientists of our time discuss the forces that will determine our future. This will be a remarkable group of speakers and guestsââ¬âundeceived, uncensored, and committed to the defense of Western Civilization. Please join us for what is sure to be an extraordinary weekend.
Speakers will include:
Philip du Toit ââ¬â ââ¬ÅThe Crisis in Southern Africa.ââ¬Â Dr. du Toit is a distinguished South African attorney and chairman of the steering committee of the Zimbabwe Victimsââ¬â¢ Coalition.
Joseph Sobran ââ¬â ââ¬ÅThe Alien State.ââ¬Â Mr. Sobran lectures widely and is a syndicated columnist and editor of a newsletter, Sobranââ¬â¢s. He is the author of Alias Shakespeare and a forthcoming critical assessment of Abraham Lincoln. He can be visited on the Web at [url]www.sobran.com[/url].
Samuel Francis ââ¬â ââ¬ÅHow Whites Respond to Racial Realism.ââ¬Â Dr. Francis is a syndicated columnist, whose latest book is America Extinguished. Dr. Francis was fired as staff columnist at the Washington Times for remarks made at an AR Conference in 1994. He can be visited on the Web at [url]www.samfrancis.net[/url].
Jared Taylor ââ¬â ââ¬ÅThe Racial Movement Today.ââ¬Â Mr. Taylor is editor of American Renaissance. He is the author of Paved With Good Intentions and editor of a collection of essays on race called The Real American Dilemma.
Donald Templer ââ¬â ââ¬ÅThe Price We Pay for Ignoring Group Differences.ââ¬Â Prof. Templer teaches clinical psychology at the California School of Professional Psychology and has published on brain-behavior relationships, aging and death, schizophrenia, and sexual behavior.
Roger McGrath ââ¬â ââ¬ÅAmerican Icons: From George Washington to The Surf Nazis.ââ¬Â Prof. McGrath is a historian and author of Gunfighters, Highwaymen, and Vigilantes.
Raymond Wolters ââ¬â ââ¬Å50 Years Since Brown v. Board of Education.ââ¬Â Prof. Wolters teaches history at the University of Delaware. He is the author of The Burden of Brown and, most recently, a biography of W.E.B. DuBois.
Paul Fromm ââ¬â ââ¬ÅNorthern Report.ââ¬Â Mr. Fromm is director of the Canada-First Immigration Reform Committee (C-FAR) and of the Canadian Assocation of Free Expression (CAFE). He can be visited on the Web at [url]www.paulfromm.com[/url].
Sam G. Dickson ââ¬â ââ¬ÅA Benediction for Heretics.ââ¬Â Mr. Dickson is a long-time racial activist, and will be addressing his fifth AR conference.
Musical Entertainment:
The Nitehawks Swing Band will perform Saturday evening before the banquet, with Jared Taylor on saxophone and vocals.
Conference Schedule:
The conference will begin on Friday, Feb. 20, 2004, with registration from 5:00 to 6:00 p.m. The American Renaissance staff will give opening remarks followed by a reception. Latecomer registration is at 8:30 a.m. on Saturday, Feb. 21, and the program will begin promptly at 9:00 a.m.
There will be a banquet (separate charge of $35) on Saturday evening. Participants with alternate dinner plans are welcome after the meal to hear the speaker. The program will resume at 9:00 a.m. on Sunday the 22nd and end at noon.
Gentlemen will wear jackets and ties to all conference events.
Accommodations and Transportation:
The conference will be at the three-diamond Hyatt Dulles hotel, near Dulles Airport, in Herndon, Virginia, outside Washington, D.C. Please make your own reservations for the nights of Feb. 20 and 21 by calling (800) 233-1234. Be sure to ask for the special ââ¬ÅAmerican Renaissanceââ¬Â rate of $79 a night. There is no extra charge for double occupancy, so a spouse or friend can stay for free. The hotel offers shuttle service from Dulles Airportââ¬âbuses arrive on the hour and half hour at Curb 2A or 2H at the passenger pickup level.
There is free parking for those who are driving. Please call the reservations number, (800) 233-1234 for directions. The local number for the hotel is (703) 713-1234.
Register and Pay Online
To pay by check, print and mail a registration form.
Registration Fee:
$95 per person, $125 after February 8th. Please send payment by February 15th.
Please call American Renaissance at (703) 716-0900 if you have questions.
2004-01-09 20:07 | User Profile
Thanks for the reminder, Hugh. Looks like a great conference.
You should post it in the Calendar section if you have a chance.
2004-01-09 20:29 | User Profile
Can you say.... R-O-A-D-T-R-I-P?
2004-01-09 20:58 | User Profile
Blargh I hate AmRen and I hate Jared. There is nothing worse then a guy who considers himself pro white, and considers jews to be white as well...
2004-01-10 17:49 | User Profile
I hardly count as a philosemite myself, but I gotta say, I DO NOT go in for this business of trashing AmRen and JT because they don't constantly attack Jews. There are people qualified to do this, but I ain't one of 'em and I doubt many of y'all are, either. I don't know the full story on why Mr. Taylor was flirting with Jews at one point. I think he might actually be (properly) responding to pressure here in backing away from that. Maybe he honestly actually didn't quite get it on Jews, and thought he was doing the right thing. Maybe it's more sisnister than that, I don't know. But fact is, AmRen has been slowly starting to mention Kevin MacDonald's work and they recently had a pretty good bit on the ADL getting sued. The keynote speaker this year is Joseph Sobran, for God's sake - Sobran's like a reverse Taylor: He hits Jews and barely mentions blacks, that I'm aware of. Like many of us, JT saw the black thing pretty clearly, but even smart folks can be duped on Jews. I happen to think Jared Taylor is doing longshoreman's work for White people. Maybe this won't satisfy some out there, and I should say I have a great deal of respect, too, for Alex Linder's position on someone like Jared Taylor. I get it. On the other hand, I live in this place called the real world, which, goddammit, requires something called "maneuvering room." This debate's been had a thousand times on OD so I won't waste the space, but I'll sum by saying, I'm glad he's out there.
2004-01-11 09:54 | User Profile
"Blargh I hate AmRen and I hate Jared. There is nothing worse then a guy who considers himself pro white, and considers jews to be white as well..."
Well, let's just say that Dr. Taylor is mistaken in a way that seems rather odd for a man with such an otherwise keen grasp of the facts. While this one intellectual idiosyncracy on his part may be irritating, he is hardly a man deserving of our hatred. He is working for our race every day, even if imperfectly. He deserves our praise and respect, even if we have a very serious and fundamental disagreement with him (and let's face it - on the Jews, we're right and he's wrong).
2004-01-11 10:08 | User Profile
"AmRen has been slowly starting to mention Kevin MacDonald's work and they recently had a pretty good bit on the ADL getting sued. The keynote speaker this year is Joseph Sobran, for God's sake - Sobran's like a reverse Taylor: He hits Jews and barely mentions blacks, that I'm aware of. Like many of us, JT saw the black thing pretty clearly, but even smart folks can be duped on Jews. I happen to think Jared Taylor is doing longshoreman's work for White people."
I agree with all these points. Not only does Dr. Taylor deserve some slack on the Jews (I figured out the Black problem six years before I had my epiphany on the Jews - the Jewish question just isn't as obvious as some of the other ones we face) in deference to his good work on other aspects of our struggle, I'm not at all certain he isn't starting to move our way, albeit somewhat quietly. This is the first American Renaissance conference line-up I can recall that apparently features no Jewish speakers....
"I should say I have a great deal of respect, too, for Alex Linder's position on someone like Jared Taylor"
Am I to understand that Alex Linder has been going after Jared Taylor as well? After his numerous attacks on Kevin Alfred Strom, Erich Gliebe and the post-Pierce National Alliance leadership generally, ostensibly for not doing "enough" to help Chester Doles (when, in point of fact, we've done a great deal), I'm starting to wonder just who signs this guys paychecks. Doesn't he have anything better to do with his time than attack other people committed to our cause? If I misconstrued your meaning, and Mr. Linder hasn't been critical of Dr. Taylor, then I suppose I owe him an apology. But as he has been seemingly doing everything he can to hurt the National Alliance, instead of directing his fire at our alleged mutual enemies, there comes a time when one has to start wondering if there isn't something vaguely COINTELPROesque, so to speak, about this man's constant attacks on White Nationalist activists who, in my humble opinion, have been far more effective than he has. I freely admit my remarks aren't sufficiently substantiated to constitute allegations of any kind and I sincerely hope I owe Mr. Linder a BIG apology for such rampant speculation, but the guy has really got me wondering about him....
2004-01-11 17:01 | User Profile
Oh boy - I'm not going to get into the crossfire of Linder v. NA, which I believe has pretty much ceased by now, though I know some NA folks are still bitter. Too much respect for NA members and leaders I know, however briefly, too much respect for what Linder does with VNN, to take a side here. I doubt Linder was trying to "destroy" NA, but given that a few folks quit in the midst of his Doles campaign, NA folks have some solid evidence on that side. I chalk it up to a lot of strong personalities, all of whom care about what's happening to the White race, who clashed. To me, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. The day we have people fighting each other over who's doing most for the cause --- and each have things to back it up --- is a good day.
But to answer your question, Linder is a frequent critic of Taylor.
As for Taylor, check out his Vdare column today. He appears to still be mentioning his Jewfriends. That, of course, is very bad business. But I think the solution is for us to say, Mr. Taylor, you're wrong on that --- not to ignore his efforts. Onward and upward.
2004-01-12 04:06 | User Profile
"Oh boy - I'm not going to get into the crossfire of Linder v. NA, which I believe has pretty much ceased by now, though I know some NA folks are still bitter. Too much respect for NA members and leaders I know, however briefly, too much respect for what Linder does with VNN, to take a side here. I doubt Linder was trying to "destroy" NA, but given that a few folks quit in the midst of his Doles campaign, NA folks have some solid evidence on that side."
I think its fair to say that most (active) National Alliance members have a fairly long-term perspective in general, and thus the mere fact that Mr. Linder stopped trying to harm our interests a few months ago doesn't cause us to suddenly perceive him very differently than when it was actually occurring. However, I checked out VNN last night and noticed he doesn't seem to be saying anything like that at the moment and, in point of fact, his site seems to have improved from the time I discovered it, approximately six months ago. With that said, whatever suspicions and resentments I may harbor against Mr. Linder, it doesn't seem productive, in the absence of future provocations, to devote energy towards tearing down his efforts apparently on behalf of our race.
"But to answer your question, Linder is a frequent critic of Taylor."
Hmmm....since I can't say anything nice, I shall say nothing at all.
2004-01-13 22:08 | User Profile
"It's almost as though one is allowed to attack only one tabboo in US politics and still maintain some visibility."
Bingo, AY.
Attacking from "above and below," as I preposition it, has the tendency to make one appear incontinent and thus, an untrustworthy raving lunatic whose racial conspiracy theory manages to account for everyone. "So, you hate the blacks, because they're dumb, and you hate the Jews, because they control everything, is that right?" Well, yes. "Well, which is it?" Never mind that we're right on both fronts, it's just that for us to get folks to absorb ONE of those ideas is quite a feat, so asking for two is really pushing it. Maybe subconsciously, this affects folks like Taylor and Sobran.
Interesting.
2004-01-29 06:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE] [color=red]"If I misconstrued your meaning, and Mr. Linder hasn't been critical of Dr. Taylor..."[/color] [/QUOTE] Jared Taylor doesn't have a doctorate. Therefore, calling him "Dr." is not appropriate.
2004-01-29 09:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln] The keynote speaker this year is Joseph Sobran, for God's sake - Sobran's like a reverse Taylor: He hits Jews and barely mentions blacks, that I'm aware of. [/QUOTE]
Space saver DITTO!
Walter
2004-02-16 00:33 | User Profile
According to neo-con posters on other discussion boards, Joe Sobran wrote himself out of even the right-most fringe of "respectable conservativism" by speaking at the most recent conference held by the Institute for Historical Review.
Will Jared's regular Jewish guests (Gottfried & Co) feel compelled to distance themselves from this "Holocaust Denier"? :glare:
2004-02-16 03:03 | User Profile
We shall see, we shall see.
I don't follow IHR stuff much; in fact, Sobran pretty much speaks for me on why Holocaust revision is not his cup of tea (one of his recent columns addresses this). But if Sobran's jumpin' in to the fever swamp with us, kick ass.
2004-02-16 03:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]But if Sobran's jumpin' in to the fever swamp with us, kick ass.[/QUOTE]
With luck and effort, more and more people will jump (or be kicked) into our "fever swamp". I'm sure that, for the neocons, Sobran has been beyond the pale since long before he spoke at an IHR conference. No, they've considered him a "hater" ever since William F. Buckley purged him.
Speaking of which, I have to laugh every time I read a neocon (John Podhoretz comes most readily to mind) refer to Pat Buchanan in terms that make him out to be the reincarnation of Julius Streicher. If that's how they describe poor ol' Pat, whatever would they do if they came across Alex Linder?
2004-02-16 06:04 | User Profile
Very odd comments are here. Like the one about AmRen having "unapologetic straight talk on race" yet few at AmRen actually want racial separatism. That is like saying you are serious about hygiene and will do anything but bathe or change your clothes to prove it. Hard to grasp as well is to say that it is not a problem that AmRen does not speak of the Jewish question as it is very obvious that the American media is filled with jews and the jewish lobby (yes it really does exist) helps make America more like Brazil. Pretending you can do anything about America being destroyed but not talk about jews is absurd at the best.
We all know that Taylor thinks jews are white which means that he knows nothing about jews or Occidentals so should any care what he say about either? I saw on this forum a thread all about how the AmRen forum was hard core pro-jew and censored white Americans like the ones here. If the paleos can ever force themselves to read what V.O. or Legion Europa said about AmRen's pro-jew "white" nationalism it would be obvious what is wrong with such thinking and a good example why AmRen is not racialist. If the AR list affair was not enough reason to give up on Taylor and his group or his co-writing a book with a jew praising "multi-racial white nationalism" I can't dream what it would take.
Listening to Mr. O'Keeffe say give Taylor "slack" because he is doing so much good for his race is unreal. AmRen is wrong about jews which is critical and outside of a paleo-con conference once a year and a magazine that has often come out against separatism they do nothing. I guess that is expected as they have not a plan to do anything if they wanted. After hearing Taylor praise jewry and "good" blacks as "American" from several Americans just shows that racialism simply does not exist in America in organization term.
AmRen and JT deserve to be trashed not because "they don't constantly attack Jews" but because they submit to them and lie about them. As to The Culture of Critique easy to see is that what little is written about it in AmRen is not supportive as no where does AmRen say that jewry is bad for the Occident or that the interests of the jew are not ours. As know all of us that Taylor actively recruits jews, never condemns them as such and thinks them white that is expected.
Hornbeck writes for AmRen a review of Culture of Critique that has a picture of Mao with the comment "The Great Helmsmen....not very Jewish" that is clear a mocking of the truth that communism is very jewish in the Occident. He thinks it harsh to say that jews have desire to destroy you when he say that "Jews are a tiny minority in the United States and within that minority there is disagreement even on matters that clearly affect Jews. How can Jews possibly be responsible for dramatic changes in the intellectual landscape?" He then points to fantastic rare examples of jews that support AmRen on race as some how showing a problem with McDonald's position. More outrageous is telling the lie that "If Jews have undermined the traditions on which Western Civilization depends, so are they now undermining the liberal orthodoxy that continues to threaten those traditions.There can be no doubting the energy and influence of this remarkable people. It would be foolish and ungrateful not to recognize that this energy and influence can help save what is left of a beleaguered civilization." When it is obvious that almost no jews object to multi-racialism, all jew groups that matter and almost all jew public opinion support it world wide and that even at AmRen most jews are against separatism it is obvious that AmRen has chose a side other then the Occident.
Bottom line: AR complains about the effects of multi-racialism but does not only not want to reject it in principle but actively supports those that promote it out of a clear hatred of the Occident. If you support AR you support the destruction of your nation, the memory of your people and your children.
If you want to know how jewry works in America read the best article ever about it and make others know about it. I know it is written by someone mostly hated but it is still very good. I am sure that some here know it but the nonsense by some here mean that you must read it again: [url]http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=1010[/url]
2004-02-16 07:31 | User Profile
American Renaissance does a very good job except when it comes to Jews. I've written Taylor on occasion. Once when I went into the details behind the Jewish involvement in the Civil Rights movement which I documented with names and citations. He answered and said that many people would agree with me but nonetheless he would not publish my letter in their magazine. I've sent him other things critical of Jews but he wouldn't post them which is why I've never really gotten interested in their forum.
I think Taylor doesn't want to be labelled an anti-Semite because he doesn't want to be tarred as some KKK-Nazi-White trash cracker and end up like all the other anti-Semites. Plus he's received some valuable help from Jews like Michael Levin and Paul Gottfried who've been willing to talk candidly about minority IQs and crime. People who aren't intimidated by charges of white racism. For if they're attacked, they can pull out their Jew immunity card.
Which raises an interesting question about all this self-censorship behavior in relation to society's sacred cows. Minorities have immunity to say whatever they want about Whites while Whites automatically censor themselves as though they have no right to say anything. Or Whites do what Taylor does - use representatives of one group of sacred cows ( Jews ) to attack other groups of sacred cows ( blacks and hispanics). But it seems that we actually legitimize the game when we play according to their rules.
2004-02-16 16:41 | User Profile
Could be, could be.
"If that's how they describe poor ol' Pat, whatever would they do if they came across Alex Linder?"
That's one of Linder's points. If you so much as breathe about Jews, as Pat deigns to do, you're going to get smeared. So why not jump into the pool instead of dipping your toes? It's like whites are hoping for some "credit" or safe passage for staying circumspect in their criticism of Jews, only to find that you can never hope to stack up enough Jew Immunity cards to satisfy Jews.
2004-02-19 11:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Could be, could be.
"If that's how they describe poor ol' Pat, whatever would they do if they came across Alex Linder?"
That's one of Linder's points. If you so much as breathe about Jews, as Pat deigns to do, you're going to get smeared. So why not jump into the pool instead of dipping your toes? It's like whites are hoping for some "credit" or safe passage for staying circumspect in their criticism of Jews, only to find that you can never hope to stack up enough Jew Immunity cards to satisfy Jews.[/QUOTE]
Quite right. There's no middle ground. Either you're a jew or an anti-Semite. That is how the jews see it. They're a team concerned with winning. We're individuals concerned with fairness. Time to switch strategies, because ours only works among ourselves.
A couple comments on the AmRen show:
1) no jews speaking, it seems. Will be interesting to hear about the composition and attitude of the audience.
What immediately raises a red flag about the Jared approach is that it belabors the obvious: blacks are dumb criminals. AmRen meetings are like some kind of perferfid White pilpul over how few IQ points can dance in the pinhead of a negro. Who flippin' cares? Why is how dumb blacks are of interest to anybody?
What matters is how we got our civil rights to seal ourselves off from them taken away. Don't wait for Jared & his performing pets to address that one: they won't. But that's what we need to confer about. That's where education is needed. Yet that's where Jared sidetracks the Jaredites. Is he paid? In light of what has come forward in recent decades about WmFBuckle and the CIA, it is worth discussing. I suggest one of you attending this show put the question to him directly. Is he paid by the CIA, any arm of govt, any private jew or jewish organization?
Fact: Jared Taylor is friends with Kevin MacDonald
Lucky guess: Jared Taylor has read KM's trilogy and discussed it with him.
Conclusion: Jared Taylor is well aware of "the producers" behind the racial problems he harps on laboriously and endlessly. Yet he studiously avoids mentioning the causal kike
1) because he deems it good politics, or
2) his ostensible motive is not his real motive.
I've always praised Taylor for the data compilation in "Paved with Good Intentions." And I've always criticized him for ignoring the jewish agency he knows to be behind the problems he details, no matter what he says in public or writes in his magazine. In an AmRen issue within the last year on the immigration act of 1965, for example, he went out of his way to avoid mentioning the jews his friend KM has written were pretty much the only force pushing it. Think about that.
That is passing strange. You know, sometimes, when something happens...over and over..one just might consider considering that the predictable result is in fact the intended result. If Jared Taylor consistently draws attention away from the jew by his syncopated reporting, then perhaps JARED TAYLOR'S INTENTION IS TO DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE JEW. Anybody ever hear of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership?
Now pony up your $100 and see the lovely Egress, my friend!
It is certainly the case that Taylor has served as a gateway for many WN coming "up from kwanservatism - ie, the sugarfree colorblind stuff excreted by the syndicates. But, if you praise Taylor for this, you are praising him for something he did not intend -- if you take Taylor's words at face value -- ie, "they look White to me." No one ever makes that point, because, as with Buchanan, they assume he does not mean what he says. Now, the clever among you could trip me with my own precept, I realize. That is, if Taylor really does function as a gateway, perhaps that is his real intent. I'll throw open the question:
Do you here at OD believe that Taylor and AmRen functions more as
1) a gateway to "why" racialism -- ie, blaming the causal jew; or
2) a sidetracking for evolving conservatives?
And, further, going by the precept above, that actual results must first be considered intended results, draw conclusions about his true motivation?
You be the judges. I'm not built for that advanced cleverness, so I'll just say that life is so simple when you use your real name and nail your theses to the door.
Is Jared Taylor running an underground railroad stop for northern conservative slaves heading south to intellectual freedom?
Or is he bounty hunting escapees and selling them back to their neocon masters?
2004-02-19 15:22 | User Profile
The A#1 purpose of AR Conferences is not to take a slide rule to an aborigine's skull. It's pro-white racial fellowship and in this it succeeds wonderfully. Everyone walks away feeling more upbeat and less "alone" in their beliefs. It's a wonderful thing to sit and talk openly with person after person after person and get only nods of agreement and smiles of understanding instead of a screwed up face of confusion and or disgust. If you wanna talk Jew, there's tons of people there that'll do it with you.
I am a former Assistant Editor of AR (W. Scott Wilson) and the notion that Jared Taylor is being paid off by Jews is laughable. I could just as easily suggest that Alex Linder is being paid off by communists to try to fracture and split any sort of cohesion among white racialists (I don't believe that, but the argument is just as persuasive) by speaking out against AR and NA, etc. etc. etc. The reason Jared does not go after Jews is because he wants AR to do one thing and be good at one thing. He's chosen his issue and he wants to stick to it. He finds it (in my opinion) counterproductive to pick several fights at once.
If Joe Blow went out and started talking about racial issues and then mentioned the dangers of flouride in the water, that Hitler was a cool dude, that man has never set foot on the moon, that the Holocaust was a minor detail of history, and that the government has proof of extraterrestrials, people would think he was a quack and would not take anything he says seriously no matter how valid any of the points truly are.
And as for BjarniTyrdal's comments that AR doesn't believe in racial separation I have to disagree. In fact the only debate around racial separation is in regards to separatism vs supremacism (should we divide or should we conquer).
I read VNN all the time and I happen to agree with Linder on most things (and contribute movie reviews to VNN now and then) but I am not of the opinion that "Hey, you White Nationalists, it's my way or the highway, fellas." In my experience, very few people go from being Jewphilic liberals to Linderites at one sitting. I took my first step toward WN by listening to Rush Limbaugh back in '92. For most people, learning is a process of discovery and not a bolt of lighting from the blue. People accomodate themselves to new ideas little by little. Does Jared leave out some important truths? Maybe so. But so what? Don't go to AR looking for stories about Jews.
The Birdman has an interesting article on Big-Tent Racialism [url]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Diversity/Diversity-BigTentPhilosophy.html[/url]
2004-02-19 16:33 | User Profile
Anybody ever hear of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership?
Yeah, and I haven't stopped gut-laughing yet!
2004-02-19 17:32 | User Profile
Regarding Taylor, Francis, Buchanan et.al. and what they say and write, etc. -- Has anyone considered the possibility that they just don't agree with the "name the jew as the taproot of all evil" fundamental ideology? Occam's Razor, right?
I see alot of assumptions being made about the 'real' motives and beliefs of said men in order to question and/or impugn their integrity, and that's a very female tactic. Any men here who are married probably know what I'm talking about.
I think we have to go strictly off the public records for these gentlemen and I believe that leads to the conclusion above.
2004-02-19 17:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Any men here who are married probably know what I'm talking about. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know. :wallbash:
2004-02-19 20:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Regarding Taylor, Francis, Buchanan et.al. and what they say and write, etc. -- Has anyone considered the possibility that they just don't agree with the "name the jew as the taproot of all evil" fundamental ideology? Occam's Razor, right?
I see alot of assumptions being made about the 'real' motives and beliefs of said men in order to question and/or impugn their integrity, and that's a very female tactic. Any men here who are married probably know what I'm talking about.
I think we have to go strictly off the public records for these gentlemen and I believe that leads to the conclusion above.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's that refusal to question motives that gives the jews the edge they need to sink us. When a guy like Taylor publishes a cover story about the '65 immigration act and barely nods at jews, something's going on. It is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of established fact that the jews were vital to passage of that act. Without them, it would not have passed. There would have been no third-world invasion. Taylor's a very smart guy. He doesn't overlook little things like the people who passed the act that results in large areas losing those qualities that made them attractive to civilized whites.
Some problems can be solved by dealing with symptoms and ignoring cause. But not many. And not the invasion.
Likewise, it is not a matter of opinion but established fact that jews created and managed the NAACP and the anti-White campaign known as "civil rights." Again, without jews, it would not have succeeded. It is most emphatically not a manner of opinion. The black community is headless, save for the jew Frankenstein that brought it to life and sicced it on us. Taylor knows this. Taylor avoids talking about this. Taylor invites and subsidizes members of the very group who created the problems he addresses. Taylor knows that jews are practiced infiltrators and subverters.
What can explain Jared Taylor's actions? His supporter should not be satisfied with his pat answer that the black problem and the jew problem are separate things. They are not. They are dependent variables. Taylor knows that very well. He's a guy who really cares -- he's done a boatload of work. He's studied this problem for fifteen years down to the tiniest detail. Yet he, publicly, has no idea what's causing it. Wow. That is something. If anybody could come up with a plausible "why" for our black problem, I would have guessed it would be Jared Taylor.
TD - when you talk about Occam's razor in regard to a guy who writes about "Middle American Revolutionaries" and "East Coast Elites" while simultaneously saying jews aren't the problem / I'll get fired if I said jews were the problems -- well, forgive me for suspecting that Occam's razor's not exactly Canny's favorite tool.
Politely ignoring motive is proper civilized behavior among Aryans. But it is inappropriate for political war with a practiced and devious enemy. I charge Taylor with nothing. But given the CIA published hundreds of books and magazines in the cold war, and given the jews' penchant for fronts and infiltration and given his continual subsidization of the jew viewpoint and his blanket refusal to address causal relations between those jews and the problem he does deal with -- even when he's talked with and read books by close friends dealing with that very relationship -- well, maybe it's good enough for you to avoid all those remarkable coincidences in the name of manly good manners, but really it's just refusal to see what's obvious.
If jews are the problem, then we are not going to solve the problem by pretending they aren't, or by subsidizing "our" people who carry on the charade.
2004-02-19 20:51 | User Profile
"Abandon all hope of respectability, ye who enter here."
That ought to be "our" motto. But then, "we" don't know who "we" are. Does it serve some group's agenda to confuse us?
I say the education is needed on the jew's role, not on the problems caused by invaders or blacks.
Think how powerful Taylor would be if he explained WHY we have the problems he details eloquently. Think about how odd it is that he knows what's going on, but says nothing. It's very, very odd when you step back and consider it.
How many other instances can you think of where a guy is really impassioned about a problem...yet has no idea why it occurs...and no idea what to do about it? I can't think of a single parallel. Those things just don't go together. Political advocates always have problems and solutions, it just doesn't work any other way.
Jared Taylor's MO makes no sense, given his professed motive.
I mean, who are these people who don't realize that blacks are dumb and violent? Or that filling America with Mexico is undesirable?
That's not where the education is needed - the jew question is.
Was ist los mit diesem Bild? What is wrong with this picture?
2004-02-19 21:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Alex Linder]How many other instances can you think of where a guy is really impassioned about a problem...yet has no idea why it occurs...and no idea what to do about it? I can't think of a single parallel. Those things just don't go together. Political advocates always have problems and solutions, it just doesn't work any other way.
Jared Taylor's MO makes no sense, given his professed motive.
[/QUOTE]
Alex, my best guess, from several lengthy personal conversations with him and Sam Francis, is that Jared originally hoped that he could convert them with rational argument - that the ugliness and impossibility of multiculturalism would overwhelm their historical obsessions.
It is similar to the motives of Cheney and Rumsfeld - they fight the heebs wars and they expect that the heebs will support their agenda in return (although it is not precisely clear what that agenda might be other than personal power).
But as you know, the quid is rarely, if ever, followed by the quo - but that is primarily because of our political weakness - our perpetual willingness to yield up a never ending stream of quids to them without ever demanding the quo.
But do not underestimate the capacity of WNs to gradually grow and change their views - the universalist assumptions we Whites have of reciprocal behavior from Jews are dearly strained by experience. As an example, I offer up my own early writings from 1994 and 1995!
But also, do not underestimate how wierd this anti-jew stuff sounds to most White Americans. If one anticipates being the first port of call in the process of others' awakenings, it is tactically sound to soft pedal the issue for decent interval. So in the end, this argument becomes "what is a decent interval?"
But you are absolutely right that there is no way out but through the Jews.
But then indirection might be more powerful than any frontal assault. Look at what Mel Gibson has just accomplished!
As a movement we are on the verge of breakout, and it is high time that we see the 1000 experiments in WN blossoming and respect each and every one of those efforts. Survival trumps the issue of personal credit, and ego control is as valuable as intellect at this point.
2004-02-19 22:31 | User Profile
If Taylor is disingenuous about jews, or if he has a sinister ulterior motive, then his strategy has had unintended consequences in my case.
AR was the first place I read such heresy. Since then, my journey has been swift, though unpleasant and emotionally draining. To paraphrase Ygg, walking through this door is a one-time and ONE-WAY trip. We don't EVER go back. Therefore, it makes sense to have clean-cut, "respectable" folks standing at the door, passing out the special sunglasses...even if they're only presenting a tiny piece of the puzzle. Once inside, individuals will find their own way to Ygg, OD, Linder...or all three.
If my experience is typical, the transition comes naturally and doesn't take long at all.
Big shout-out to Ygg and Linder! It's good to have you here.
2004-02-19 22:39 | User Profile
I sent Jared Taylor a copy of my book noting how and why Americans remember war. I then called him and talked. We had much in common. There are not many people in America who can discuss Japan intelligently, and I started the conversation on that note. After a few minutes I brought up my documenting who has done the fighting and dying in American wars. I mentioned the cowardice on the campus of Yale (his alma mater) during the Civil War and of the American ââ¬Åbluebloodsââ¬Â at Harvard. (Could it be they are termed ââ¬Åbluebloodsââ¬Â because nobody ever saw them shed blood?) He seemed more than mildly interested. Then I mentioned the cowardice of Jews. I sensed an electric shock must have gone through him. At once he seemed to verge on hysteria. I calmed him down and asked him to read what I had written.
Within a week I had the book returned with an explanatory note. Mr. Taylor explained his interests were confined to immigration and that he had no interest in further controversy. Ergo, he would not comment.
Over the time of two years I hope that Mr. Taylor would have changed his mind. Prior to World War II the great lion of American socialism, Norman Thomas, remarked that Charles Lindbergh was correct about Jews pushing the United States into war, but surmised most people would rather go to war with great loss of life rather than debate the role of Jews in the theater of American politics. Some things do not change. Perhaps Jared Taylor will.
2004-02-20 03:47 | User Profile
Just a word in defense of Jared. In 2001 an alliance between AMREN and David Horowitz's FRONTPAGEMAG.com was developing with an exchange of writers and linking each other's websites etc. After 9/11/01 Jared came out with an article entitled " Teaching Millions to hate us" which put the blame for 9/11 and the war on terror on America's alliance with Israel. Goodbye Davey Horowitz.
Mr Taylor may do things we disagree with and things that are just wrong-headed when dealing with jews. However when the chips are down Jared Taylor stands up for America and White People even "naming the jew" if need be
2004-02-20 05:02 | User Profile
"Has anyone considered the possibility that they just don't agree with the "name the jew as the taproot of all evil" fundamental ideology? Occam's Razor, right?"
It seems far fetched to speak of Taylor being an asset for jewry without some sort of proof. What matters is that his group does not support separatism, is in almost all respects merely paleo con like and that they have no plan or prospect to change anything.
ââ¬ÅThen I mentioned the cowardice of Jews. I sensed an electric shock must have gone through him. At once he seemed to verge on hysteria. I calmed him down and asked him to read what I had written.
Within a week I had the book returned with an explanatory note. Mr. Taylor explained his interests were confined to immigration and that he had no interest in further controversy. Ergo, he would not comment.ââ¬Â
Taylor is supposedly upset about multi-racialism but as that is in large measure a product of jewry means that for him to ignore jewry shows he has no understanding of the problem and will not be able to solve it if he wnated to. That he thinks jews are white show he knows nothing of racial biology of Occidentals or jews. After reading rejections of racialism in his magazine, watching him consort with Rabbi Schiller and abuse polite, serious racialists on his forums it is clear that AmRen is no ally the Occident inspite of publishing some good articles on whatââ¬â¢s wrong with multi-racialism. To end, it does not matter why Taylor is fatally flawed the way he is but only that he is a fake alternative and we should say so.
2004-02-20 08:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BjarniTyrdal]To end, it does not matter why Taylor is fatally flawed the way he is but only that he is a fake alternative and we should say so.[/QUOTE]
What a surprise comment from you Bjarni. Another man and organization goes on your list of excommunicated brethren. Keep it up, and I have no doubt you will, and soon your 'movement of immaculate ideology' will solely consist of you and trisk. With such brilliant tactics your Europe ought to be a white Shangri-La in no time.
2004-02-20 08:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Alex Linder]If jews are the problem, then we are not going to solve the problem by pretending they aren't, or by subsidizing "our" people who carry on the charade.[/QUOTE]
If rabid, atheist anti-Christs, jew or gentile, are the problem, then we are not going to solve the problem by pretending they aren't, or by subsidizing "our" people who carry on the charade.
Yes, I agree with that wholeheartedly.
2004-02-20 09:15 | User Profile
I note once again Tex made no attempt whatsoever to contridict anything I said so that is as good an indication that he can't as any. Of course the parties that I support have had far more success then American paleo cons is something that Tex can't explain either which likely why he keeps harping on the lie that he and and nursemaid Okie keep promoting that I or V.O. only support those that ideologically agree with us totally. I guess when you have as little to say as Tex does your only option is to repeat it endlessly and misrepresent those that point out the truths he'd rather blissfully ignore.
2004-02-20 18:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]As a movement we are on the verge of breakout, and it is high time that we see the 1000 experiments in WN blossoming and respect each and every one of those efforts. Survival trumps the issue of personal credit, and ego control is as valuable as intellect at this point.[/QUOTE]
Alas, a voice of sanity. Thank you very much, Ygg. Hopefully sober-minded, responsible men will come to the fore to lead the way by example of principled leadership and all of us will gain the wisdom to discern the wheat from the chaff and guide our actions accordingly.
2004-02-20 20:20 | User Profile
What Yggdrasil says has merit although a word of caution is in order. While we may hope that someone will change and we should not assume that someone that holds a fatally wrong position does so out of dishonesty or is an asset of "the opposition", until proven other wise, that does not mean that we should avoid addressing such a short commings honestly.
Comments from the learned Mr. Gibbon fit in a pattern that has been evident even on this forum for some time in that AmRen not only is totally wrong about jewry, actively recruits jews but also oppresses those that question such practices on their forums. Obviously it is nice and useful that AmRen publishes articles and has a conferance once a year about what is wrong with multi-racialism and I encourage English speakers to use such material.
But, we should be honest that such is not enough and we should not pretend other wise. AmRen is clearly not promoting sepratism and is not interested in addressing the cause of the problems they speak and that is why they are very limited in their utility.
No solution exists in terms of American racial organizations and the paleo cons are clearly a dead end. The only solution is to start addressing the ideological and meta-political matters honestly and start a community activist effort on your own. Frankly, neither of those things are likely as it seems the desire for a savior on the white horse leading the way to a painless, undefined but better future is too pleasent an escape to resist for many.
By the way, I was wondering where Yggdrasil is from and he came to command English so well.
2004-02-21 15:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Current93] We should work to unify those who share our beliefs. Christian, non-Christian, WN, or paleo-conservative or paleo-libertarian.[/QUOTE]
But will such as Tex and Okie and Walter follow their racial leader - a Hitler, a Rockwell, a Linder - who will promise and fight for a purified regime, in whatever form it must take - which form will inevitably not involve a restoration, to Paleo-pleasing taste, of that Arcadian Constitutionalism and Old-Time Religion which stupidly let the Jews slip one over in the first place?
2004-02-21 16:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=NeoNietzsche]But will such as Tex and Okie and Walter follow their racial leader - a Hitler, a Rockwell, a Linder - who will promise and fight for a purified regime, in whatever form it must take - which form will inevitably not involve a restoration, to Paleo-pleasing taste, of that Arcadian Constitutionalism and Old-Time Religion which stupidly let the Jews slip one over in the first place?[/QUOTE]
None for me, thanks.
That was quite a sentence, by the way. Nice work.
Walter
2004-02-22 01:25 | User Profile
But will such as Tex and Okie and Walter follow their racial leader - a Hitler, a Rockwell, a Linder - who will promise and fight for a purified regime, in whatever form it must take - which form will inevitably not involve a restoration, to Paleo-pleasing taste, of that Arcadian Constitutionalism and Old-Time Religion which stupidly let the Jews slip one over in the first place?
Great comment. I wanna hear Tex's and Okie's answers.
2004-02-22 08:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute]What a surprise comment from you Tex. Another man and organization goes on your list of excommunicated brethren. Keep it up, and I have no doubt you will, and soon your 'movement of immaculate theology' will solely consist of you and okie. With such brilliant tactics your America ought to be a white Shangri-La in no time.
Wintermute[/QUOTE]
And so it shall be. In the touching and poignant words of Rage Against the Machine, there'll be no shelter here for those who show themselves as enemies. And thank you for your support of my sound theology.
2004-02-22 08:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=NeoNietzsche]But will such as Tex and Okie and Walter follow their racial leader - a Hitler, a Rockwell, a Linder - who will promise and fight for a purified regime, in whatever form it must take - which form will inevitably not involve a restoration, to Paleo-pleasing taste, of that Arcadian Constitutionalism and Old-Time Religion which stupidly let the Jews slip one over in the first place?[/QUOTE]
I'm not a good follower, NN, but who knows? What I do know though is that you won't be the one to define the parameters of who I may or may not follow.
2004-02-22 23:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=NeoNietzsche] But will such as Tex and Okie and Walter follow their racial leader - a Hitler, a Rockwell, a Linder - who will promise and fight for a purified regime, in whatever form it must take - which form will inevitably not involve a restoration, to Paleo-pleasing taste, of that Arcadian Constitutionalism and Old-Time Religion which stupidly let the Jews slip one over in the first place?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Franco] Great comment. I wanna hear Tex's and Okie's answers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] I'm not a good follower, NN, but who knows? What I do know though is that you won't be the one to define the parameters of who I may or may not follow.[/QUOTE]
I think we can take that as a "No," Franco.
2004-02-23 00:45 | User Profile
Just got back from the confer, had a fine time. Glad to meet Ygg and others if I didn't catch your handle. Far too many AR attendees who've never heard of OD. Tsk, tsk.
2004-02-23 03:59 | User Profile
Rumour has it that Taylor is more radical in person and in private. But after reading gibbon's post I wonder about the accuracy of the said rumour.
2004-02-25 16:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Rumour has it that Taylor is more radical in person and in private. But after reading gibbon's post I wonder about the accuracy of the said rumour.[/QUOTE]
I find the degree to which we all take 21st century WN for granted as a well established political movement and philosophy quite gratifying. To read most of the posts on the various boards, one would think that WN has been around "from a time to which the memory of man runneth not."
But a sense of history is essential here. When Jared began his organizational efforts in 1991 or earlier - White Nationalism did not exist. White Nationalism - both the name and the embryonic political philosopy - was invented in 1994, when a small group of us led by Tom Lathrop petitioned to establish alt.politics.nationalism.white on usenet (my writings from 1994 and 1995 still bear the unmistakeable marks from that character based unix environment).
In 1991 the only other racialist model in operation was "The Order" and at that time, its law abiding sympathizer and apologist - a very strident NA.
Thus, Jared had no examples of how to differentiate himself from these groups that were very much in the news. He simply decided to mimic the strategy of the conservative Republicans he sought to convert and assume (pretend?) that the actions of Jews that were so profoundly destructive of White interests and culture were the result of mistake, and that rational argument would cause them to desist.
In other words, his movement was essentially educational and non-political, ignoring what is now at the very core of WN - the notion that group competition is the basic organizing principle behind all of the universalist masks and other deceptions employed in all political contests. You cannot mount an effective political movement, and tear away your opponent's masks, if you are not allowed to identify that opponent.
I have had several very lengthy private discussions with Jared following 1995, and I can assure you that he is well aware of the power and the true political agendas of 98% of this nation's Jews.
Unless my memory is seriously impaired, Jared's only dinner guests the evening before this year's Conference began were Don Black and his son Derek.
I rest my case.
2004-02-25 18:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yggdrasil] I have had several very lengthy private discussions with Jared following 1995, and I can assure you that he is well aware of the power and the true political agendas of 98% of this nation's Jews.
Unless my memory is seriously impaired, Jared's only dinner guests the evening before this year's Conference began were Don Black and his son Derek.
I rest my case.[/QUOTE]
Since Ygg has forthrightly "outed" Jared, I might as well underline the point and put to rest the issue of JR's sympathies as far as a close examination of his person evidences the same.
For several days in 1988, I drove Jared, then assuming the name of "Samuel" Taylor, around the Greater Los Angeles area in a Lincoln Town Car, in the company of several prominent WN's/NS sympathizers. We were being chased from hotel to hotel venue by ugly old Irv Rubin and his band of JDL pygmies, during that year's IHR Conference. I listened while Jared and the company in the back seat sang radical nationalist folk songs and joked in the same spirit. And I sat with him at conference functions and noticed his delight and excitement when David Irving, under the influence of the attending Fred Leuchter's fresh report, outed himself in front of the major LA news media cameras as a newly-convinced holocaust revisionist. I sat with Jared at dinner as he and I conversed sympathetically with the Japanese General Miki, whose remarks to the Conference Jared/Samuel was engaged to translate as voiced to the audience. And I listened as Jared conversed agreeably with Robert Faurisson in a later private session, and spoke with Jared at a final morning's breakfast table, where he explained his childhood as the son of missionaries resident in Japan accounting for his fluency, and that he had come to his present sympathies as apostate from hippie liberalism which exposure to reality had dissolved. A final note that comes to mind is that, during a break between speeches, I noticed that Jared purchased a book of Hitler's art works which he reverently examined then and carefully protected as he carried it around for the balance of the day.
That's my case for the defense.
2004-02-25 18:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Yggdrasil:
What I can't understand is what he hopes to gain by giving Jews centerstage status within AmRen. If the only thing at stake were political expediency, then Taylor might just do best to keep quiet about Jews, or to discuss the matter with actually saying "Jew" as others have done.[/QUOTE]
I have arrived at the conclusion that Jared is polically tone deaf.
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]I remember an article you wrote once (back in 1996, so perhaps we were unduly harsh in attacking the piece on this forum) where you argued that Jews were "white" and that "neoconservative Jews were defenders of Western Civilization." Was that really the standard line for the embryonic WN movement?[/QUOTE]
We seem to forget that the public face of neo-conservatism has evolved in quite remarkable ways since 1996. Back then we had Prof. Herrenstein at Harvard arguing in the Bell Curve that Jews had better do a better job of maintaining the eugenic health of the White population, and countless neo-con Jews ranting in WSJ about the dangers of cultural decline and the need for moral re-armament.
What's a poor goy to think?
It is only recently that the neo-cons have revealed that they care nothing about the issues they claim motivated them back in 1996, but have embraced Deuteronomy and its genocidal wars as their exclusive agenda.
Perhaps more importanly, I did not read By Way of Deception, The Sampson Option, and Jewish History, Jewish Religion until 1998.
My keeping the 1996 writings on my web site is deliberate self-flagellation - a reminder of the political naivete I share with my fellow whites - and also a reminder that our opposition must be based on overt acts and not unfounded suspicions. Witch hunts are not the MO of WN.
But if I can ever figure out what to do with movie list and the hundreds of suggested movies I have not seen, I will edit these old posts, as they have clearly become disruptive without the above explanation.
2004-02-25 19:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=NeoNietzsche]Since Ygg has forthrightly "outed" Jared, I might as well underline the point and put to rest the issue of JR's sympathies as far as a close examination of his person evidences the same.[/QUOTE]
Let the "outing" continue.
I ran into Jared at an IHR conference in 1994 in Orange County Cal. where he was selling his book and his upcoming AR conference to the assembled attendees.
I happened into the mens when he was there as well, and he went into a rant about, among other things, how important WW-2 victimhood is to concealing the fact that we are now 10% of the World's population on our way to 1%.
It strikes me that part of the problem is that Jared is a social animal and a "nice guy" who will avoid confrontation whenever possible. And I don't mean this in a negative way - he is a natural diplomat.
And as a result of this personality, he has institutionalized the one social gathering in which we all feel comfortable showing our faces. It is one of the 1000 experiments in WN which I hope will continue to blossom.
2004-02-25 21:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Well, Jewish neocons have been around for a lot longer than 10 years, and their political agenda was transparent to all who cared to see from day one. [/QUOTE]
There are many people in this world smarter and more perceptive than I. :)
I used to be squishy soft on this issue, but I have grown! :)
2004-02-25 21:43 | User Profile
People having to have high IQ and appropriate life experiences in order to learn about the zhid (or other parasites) is the problem. It doesn't have to be that way, as healthy awareness of the enemies doesn't have to be a mental exercise -- in fact, it's a natural reaction all humans possess, at least to some degree, until they are re-educated. It's the task of the society (your people) to transfer the wisdom to the young, instead of them having to learn it hard way, if at all.
2004-02-26 03:55 | User Profile
As time goes on, the less important the IQ business becomes to me. Of course, it shows why whites and blacks are incompatible. It's important info, info most Americans haven't processed. But a sophisticiated understanding of WN segregates the IQ business somewhat --- after all, if that were the only criterion, Ashkenazim would rule the world. Hey, wait --- they do!
2004-02-26 04:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yggdrasil] a small group of us led by Tom Lathrop petitioned to establish alt.politics.nationalism.white on usenet (my writings from 1994 and 1995 still bear the unmistakeable marks from that character based unix environment). [/QUOTE]
I wonder what ever happened to Les Griswold. I remember he was a constant voice for us back then. a.p.n.w was the place to argue. Better than alt.politics.white-power which was mainly rants. Who else did we have back then? Ron Copley Steve LaJoie Donald McGregor Duncan McMillan Sylvie Charbonnea Mark Hilton ...we've come a long way, baby.
Feric
2004-02-26 05:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Feric Jaggar]I wonder what ever happened to Les Griswold. I remember he was a constant voice for us back then. a.p.n.w was the place to argue. Better than alt.politics.white-power which was mainly rants. Who else did we have back then? Ron Copley Steve LaJoie Donald McGregor Duncan McMillan Sylvie Charbonnea Mark Hilton ...we've come a long way, baby.
Feric[/QUOTE]
I remember those days so well.
I used to log on to usenet with a VT 100 terminal emulator after having memorized the unix commands that came with the subscription to Netcom in those pre-web days of hot 9600 modems.
I remember the panic that set in when I realized that we had no content and no definition of what WN was. I wrote the ten lessons in a month and reposted them continually, followed by key concepts, the early What is White Nationalism FAQ, and then the Politically Correct Racism series.
Don't forget the really colorful characters: Jim Bowery and Milton Kleim, Rick Savage, DbtgThomas, Kestrel, Art Leboutillier, and Thomas Arthur Beam.
And of course, yours truly, Yggdrasil, posting through Tommy the Tourist, the Berkeley anonymizer.
Also do not forget alt.revolution.counter - the thinking mans hangout for nationalists, paleos and anti-moderns of all stripes!
Back then, Don Black maintained a dial in BBS and a national merit finalist and physics student at UT named RL wrote us both that we should move to the Web with the new browser technology. RL encoded my writings into a strange language called html and emailed them to Don to put up as content on his web site just as the hot new 14.4k modems were coming into use.
Those were the days!
2004-02-26 14:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]People having to have high IQ and appropriate life experiences in order to learn about the zhid (or other parasites) is the problem. It doesn't have to be that way, as healthy awareness of the enemies doesn't have to be a mental exercise -- in fact, it's a natural reaction all humans possess, at least to some degree, until they are re-educated. It's the task of the society (your people) to transfer the wisdom to the young, instead of them having to learn it hard way, if at all.[/QUOTE]
My teenage daughter went on and on last night about how pi$$ed off she is that her history class this year thus far covered only the Holocaust. Nothing else. I mean - NADA. Zippo. Zilch. It was 24/7 Holocaust this year. They had to memorize the names of all the camps, the names and ranks of key Nazis. They read "Diary of Anne Frank." Relentless propaganda.
It's apparently causing something of a split in this class (private school) along ethnic lines. One of my daughter's gentile classmates basically lost it and yelled at the teacher when he started the lecture about how Jewish students were picked on at schools in Nazi Germany, given bad grades no matter what. Then- get this - one of her Jewish classmates (and regular chums) says "but don't you see, that's why I'm getting bad grades in math!" which my kid took as a joke and laughed and then was stunned to see that her little pal wasn't laughing. Oh, and get this. This little pal of my daughter launches in with a speech about how proud she is that her people control the media ("MTV is ours, you know!")
Other gentile parents have complained about this relentless indoctrination. The teacher's gentile, btw.
I raised the issue with the principal at the last parent-teacher conference, and he told me there was nothing he could do about it. He said that I was far from the first to complain, but "that's the textbook we have!"
Solzhenitsyn talks about this phenomenon in his book 200 Years Together (have you read it, MR? My wife is reading experts to me every night now) Judging by my kid's reaction (quote from last night's tizzy: "but, they're everywhere, daddy!") this next generation could easily be given a dose of that vaccine Ygg talks about.
Walter
2004-02-26 14:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] My teenage daughter went on and on last night about how pi$$ed off she is that her history class this year thus far covered only the Holocaust. Nothing else. I mean - NADA. Zippo. Zilch. It was 24/7 Holocaust this year. They had to memorize the names of all the camps, the names and ranks of key Nazis. They read "Diary of Anne Frank." Relentless propaganda.
It's apparently causing something of a split in this class (private school) along ethnic lines. One of my daughter's gentile classmates basically lost it and yelled at the teacher when he started the lecture about how Jewish students were picked on at schools in Nazi Germany, given bad grades no matter what. Then- get this - one of her Jewish classmates (and regular chums) says "but don't you see, that's why I'm getting bad grades in math!" which my kid took as a joke and laughed and then was stunned to see that her little pal wasn't laughing. Oh, and get this. This little pal of my daughter launches in with a speech about how proud she is that her people control the media ("MTV is ours, you know!")
Other gentile parents have complained about this relentless indoctrination. The teacher's gentile, btw.
I raised the issue with the principal at the last parent-teacher conference, and he told me there was nothing he could do about it. He said that I was far from the first to complain, but "that's the textbook we have!"
Solzhenitsyn talks about this phenomenon in his book 200 Years Together (have you read it, MR? My wife is reading experts to me every night now) Judging by my kid's reaction (quote from last night's tizzy: "but, they're everywhere, daddy!") this next generation could easily be given a dose of that vaccine Ygg talks about.
Walter[/QUOTE]
Until we are prepared to say, in return, "good for the Nazi's!" and "you go, Hitler!" we will be, collectively, the cowering, degraded, abused and rather stupid captives of an merely illusory and duplicitous moralism.
2004-02-26 14:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=NeoNietzsche]Until we are prepared to say, in return, "good for the Nazi's!" and "you go, Hitler!" we will be, collectively, the cowering, degraded, abused and rather stupid captives of an merely illusory and duplicitous moralism.[/QUOTE]
Edited slightly:
Until we are prepared to say, in return, "good for the Inquisition!" and "you go, Ferdinand!" we will be, collectively, the cowering, degraded, abused and rather stupid captives of an merely illusory and duplicitous moralism,
2004-02-28 04:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]It's apparently causing something of a split in this class (private school) along ethnic lines. One of my daughter's gentile classmates basically lost it and yelled at the teacher when he started the lecture about how Jewish students were picked on at schools in Nazi Germany, given bad grades no matter what. * * * Oh, and get this. This little pal of my daughter launches in with a speech about how proud she is that her people control the media ("MTV is ours, you know!")[/QUOTE]
Err - Walter! What sort of private school is this?
Is it a U.N. type school for english speaking expats in Moscow?
2004-02-28 05:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]I find the degree to which we all take 21st century WN for granted as a well established political movement and philosophy quite gratifying. To read most of the posts on the various boards, one would think that WN has been around "from a time to which the memory of man runneth not."
But a sense of history is essential here. When Jared began his organizational efforts in 1991 or earlier - White Nationalism did not exist. White Nationalism - both the name and the embryonic political philosopy - was invented in 1994, when a small group of us led by Tom Lathrop petitioned to establish alt.politics.nationalism.white on usenet (my writings from 1994 and 1995 still bear the unmistakeable marks from that character based unix environment).
In 1991 the only other racialist model in operation was "The Order" and at that time, its law abiding sympathizer and apologist - a very strident NA.
Enjoy your history Yggdrasil and your presence here. I just have one slight question about your history though. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to say you invented the whole WN movement with alt.politics.nationalism.white on usernet? After all, there have been all sorts of movements operating fairly continuosly which I am personally aware, even though I wasn't very politically involved at the time. There was David Duke and his organization, NAAWP, there of course always was Will Carto and Liberty Lobby and IHR, and a bunch of other groups. Klan groups have always been around, and even Pierce's NA existed.
We're getting back to old history, but I think one intersting thing about the WN impulse is the way groups ebb and flow. Right now internet is the rage and the only thing that really crosses our horizon is the internet savvy groups (basically right now VNN). But other groups have certainly been around. It just seems like, in spite of the efforts of Don Black, they don't always talk to each other.
Thus, Jared had no examples of how to differentiate himself from these groups that were very much in the news. He simply decided to mimic the strategy of the conservative Republicans he sought to convert and assume (pretend?) that the actions of Jews that were so profoundly destructive of White interests and culture were the result of mistake, and that rational argument would cause them to desist.
In other words, his movement was essentially educational and non-political, ignoring what is now at the very core of WN - the notion that group competition is the basic organizing principle behind all of the universalist masks and other deceptions employed in all political contests. You cannot mount an effective political movement, and tear away your opponent's masks, if you are not allowed to identify that opponent.
I have had several very lengthy private discussions with Jared following 1995, and I can assure you that he is well aware of the power and the true political agendas of 98% of this nation's Jews.
Unless my memory is seriously impaired, Jared's only dinner guests the evening before this year's Conference began were Don Black and his son Derek.
I rest my case.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure exactly what the history of AmRen is I really don't follow it closely. But somehow its basic motif seems in a sense to have been along the lines of the "Bell Curve" authored by Herrnstein and Murray, simply that group IQ differences differences exist. Along the lines of the "Bell Curve" I think the tensions in AmRen probably reflect the differences and inherent tensions between those two groups which MacDonald discussed. You seem right on the mark though that his movement seems essentially educational and non-political still today.
2004-02-28 06:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]I have arrived at the conclusion that Jared is polically tone deaf.
We seem to forget that the public face of neo-conservatism has evolved in quite remarkable ways since 1996. Back then we had Prof. Herrenstein at Harvard arguing in the Bell Curve that Jews had better do a better job of maintaining the eugenic health of the White population, and countless neo-con Jews ranting in WSJ about the dangers of cultural decline and the need for moral re-armament.
What's a poor goy to think?
This brings back the old passage from MacDonald.
And at a theoretical level, there is a very clear rationale for supposing that Western individualism is incompatible with group-based resource conflict that has been the consistent consequence of the emergence of a powerful Judaism in Western societies (see SAID, Chs. 3--5).
One aspect of this friction is well articulated in Alan Ryan's (1994, 11) discussion of the "latent contradiction" in the politics of Richard J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray, the authors of the highly controversial volume The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life. Ryan states, "Herrnstein essentially wants the world in which clever Jewish kids or their equivalent make their way out of their humble backgrounds and end up running Goldman Sachs or the Harvard physics department, while Murray wants the Midwest in which he grew up--a world in which the local mechanic didn't care two cents whether he was or wasn't brighter than the local math teacher. The trouble is that the first world subverts the second, while the second feels claustrophobic to the beneficiaries of the first." (last Chapter. Culture of Critique)
It is only recently that the neo-cons have revealed that they care nothing about the issues they claim motivated them back in 1996, but have embraced Deuteronomy and its genocidal wars as their exclusive agenda.
Well I think what's more right is that the picture abstractly was always out there, but only recently aided by people like MacDonald and the guy you cite we've started to connect the dots better.
Perhaps more importanly, I did not read By Way of Deception, The Sampson Option, and Jewish History, Jewish Religion until 1998.
My keeping the 1996 writings on my web site is deliberate self-flagellation - a reminder of the political naivete I share with my fellow whites - and also a reminder that our opposition must be based on overt acts and not unfounded suspicions. Witch hunts are not the MO of WN. I think more properly, should not be the MO of WN.
But if I can ever figure out what to do with movie list and the hundreds of suggested movies I have not seen, I will edit these old posts, as they have clearly become disruptive without the above explanation.[/QUOTE] What's your website BTW?
2004-02-28 10:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE]My teenage daughter went on and on last night about how pi$$ed off she is that her history class this year thus far covered only the Holocaust. Nothing else. I mean - NADA. Zippo. Zilch. It was 24/7 Holocaust this year. They had to memorize the names of all the camps, the names and ranks of key Nazis. They read "Diary of Anne Frank." Relentless propaganda. Judging by my kid's reaction (quote from last night's tizzy: "but, they're everywhere, daddy!") this next generation could easily be given a dose of that vaccine Ygg talks about.[/QUOTE]
A hopeful sign of typical Jewish over-reach. Kids instinctively reject green leafy vegetables the more they're compelled to eat them (the accompanying "it's for your [I]own good[/I]" usually triggers the alarm).
It reminds of the flurry of 'news stories' that ran a few years back, when SCHINDLER'S LIST became mandatory viewing for Western schoolchildren, of whole auditoriums of kids hooting and laughing at Ben Kingsley's bravely-quivering upper lip.
Of course, these were mostly [I]black [/I] kids, who were probably convulsed by the idea that they were supposed to feel sorry for anyone of lighter pigment for any reason whatsoever...but even a stopped watch is accurate twice a day.
2004-02-28 13:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] I think more properly, should not be the MO of WN. Amen to that. WN is still a long way from reaching the kinds of collective behavior we would like to see.
What's your website BTW?[/QUOTE]Wow, I thought everyone knew about Ygg's site. Here you go: [url]http://home.ddc.net/ygg/[/url]. Read Ygg's essays. If you have not read them before, you are in for a treat.
2004-02-28 13:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yggdrasil] Also do not forget alt.revolution.counter - the thinking mans hangout for nationalists, paleos and anti-moderns of all stripes! [/QUOTE]That's where I used to hang out. Faith, that takes me back. I certainly wouldn't want to read my old posts. They seem so irrelevant now.
2004-02-29 18:30 | User Profile
After reading the affirmations of Jared Taylor's true feelings, I felt some sense of shame. With all the movers and shakers of WN present the discussion was limited.
I take from another post: [QUOTE][COLOR=Red]After Sobran spoke, a Jew rose. This particular Jew announced that he'd seen combat in World War II, which I guess makes him the other one.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]This person, by himself limited the dimensions of the talks and presentations. If Louis Farrakhan were present this would not have happened. This conference could only be thought a success in a limited sense.
Many people here mock Alex Linder, and while I do not agree with him on many things, I believe he is absolutely correct the time has come to show some courage. Just reach into the shorts, grab the goolies and start talking about the people really responsible for many of the idiocies, flaws and criminality in this country.
2004-02-29 20:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]A hopeful sign of typical Jewish over-reach. Kids instinctively reject green leafy vegetables the more they're compelled to eat them (the accompanying "it's for your [I]own good[/I]" usually triggers the alarm).[/QUOTE]
Okay, I'll bore you with the sequel.
We're watching CNN I think and they have a Jewish journalist on commenting at length about that Bill Bennett report on priestly sexual abuse that came out last week.
Anyway, we're just sitting zonked out watching this thing and my kid just loses it.
"But . . . but . . . where in the hell do they get off talking about us? If we ever talked about them, do you know what would happen? . . . " I'll spare you the details.
She's a funny kid, she really is.
She'll be just fine, I'm sure.
Walter
2004-02-29 20:57 | User Profile
I like that segregation in "us". Once the dam breaks, it's all downhill from that. Never again, after having realized the tremendous gap between us and them, the breach is going to be closed. If anything, it's only going to grow, after getting daily reinforcements from daily news. It's really that simple. Just don the magic glasses from "They Live".
2004-02-29 20:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Solzhenitsyn talks about this phenomenon in his book 200 Years Together (have you read it, MR? My wife is reading experts to me every night now) Judging by my kid's reaction (quote from last night's tizzy: "but, they're everywhere, daddy!") this next generation could easily be given a dose of that vaccine Ygg talks about.
Walter[/QUOTE]
Way too depressing to read for someone who hardly needs to learn anything MORE about the zhids to have an opinion. Getting aware of even more ways the zhids screwed the gentiles in the past, and gentile blunders in dealing with the zhids?
2004-03-01 06:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Way too depressing to read for someone who hardly needs to learn anything MORE about the zhids to have an opinion. Getting aware of even more ways the zhids screwed the gentiles in the past, and gentile blunders in dealing with the zhids?[/QUOTE]
If you PM me with an anonymous post office box, I'd be pleased to mail you a copy.
Walter
2004-03-02 07:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Isn't it a bit presumptuous to say you invented the whole WN movement with alt.politics.nationalism.white on usernet? After all, there have been all sorts of movements operating fairly continuosly which I am personally aware, even though I wasn't very politically involved at the time. [/QUOTE]
The term "White Nationalism" and the concept that White group behavior is both justified and required by the universality of group competition world wide is quite new.
Back in 1994 there was a debate about what to call ourselves. I pushed for White Nationalism and the concensus (including Don Black) seemed to fix on it.
Of course you are right. Naming something is not half so significant as "inventing" it. Poor word choice on my part.