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January 8, 2004 --
YESTERDAY, President Bush proposed a far-reaching, innovative and compassionate revision of American immigration policy. It instantly drew predictable howls from those who fear the economic and social costs of immigration, and inadvertently comic howls from Democrats and moans of disappointment from liberal Hispanics who reacted with barely concealed rage at the prospect of Bush making profound inroads into the 2004 Latino vote.
The specifics and their efficacy (or lack thereof) will be debated over the coming weeks by policymakers and advocates on both sides of the issue. **But there's no question that, by planting his flag firmly in the pro-immigration camp, Bush has once again sought to transform not only the political debate in the United States but the Republican Party as well.**
In the 20th century, the Republican Party was not, to put it mildly, the party of immigrants. The key pieces of legislation limiting immigration and the rights of foreign-born peoples were designed and championed by Republicans.
**In 1924, "an act to limit the migration of aliens to the United States" proposed by GOP Sen. Hiram Johnson of California was signed into law - an incredibly restrictive piece of legislation that ended nearly 40 years of open immigration.** This attitude fit in nicely and precisely with the isolationism for which the Republican Party became known in the 1930s and 1940s.
Jump forward in time now to 1986, when another Republican senator, Alan Simpson of Wyoming, shepherded through the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. This sought to penalize employers who hired illegal aliens. And in 1994, another California Republican, then-Gov. Pete Wilson, **helped push through Proposition 187,** which denied state benefits to illegal aliens.
At the same time that Proposition 187 was becoming law, a sustained argument against immigration was being waged by certain conservative intellectuals - ranging from the respectable precincts of National Review **to the hatemongering nativism growing like fetid algae in the Pat Buchanan fever swamps.**
One of the most peculiar elements of the anti-immigrant intellectual movement is just how many of its members are themselves immigrants - John O'Sullivan, John Derbyshire and Peter Brimelow from England, and George Borjas from Cuba. I once found myself in an argument with a few of these gentlemen at a conference and realized that I was the only person speaking with an American accent.
The combination of the historic Republican political opposition to immigration **with the growing conservative (*note: read neoconservative*)intellectual passion about it** became a major political problem for the GOP in the 1990s. The Latino population in the United States was on the verge of planting roots in the Democratic camp as decisively as previous immigrant groups - especially Jews and those from Ireland. And given the emergence of Latinos as the largest minority group in the United States, that alignment portended ill for the GOP.
One of George W. Bush's key selling points as a candidate for president was that, in his races for governor of Texas, **he had demonstrated that a Republican could indeed garner Latino votes despite the shadow of Proposition 187.**
Before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, it appeared that President Bush was going to dedicate a significant amount of his foreign-policy time to building ties and economic relationships with Mexico - so that he would have a partner in trying to deal with the costs of illegal immigration here at home and the possibilities of a trans-border economic approach to the problem.
Those foreign-policy ambitions were put on ice by the War on Terror. But it should surprise no one that Bush has returned to the issue of immigration. He believes what he said yesterday: "Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans are not filling. We must make our immigration laws more rational, and more humane."
And he believes deeply, and correctly, that a Republican Party that continues to lean toward a position of hostility toward immigrants and immigration is a party that will not prosper and prevail in the 21st century.
E-mail: [email]podhoretz@nypost.com[/email] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- *I'm sure a small sampling of neocon triumphalism about the Bush proposal. I also can't help but notice how this thread was locked in an untimely manner.* --- ### Sertorius *2004-01-09 10:05* | [User Profile](/od/user/26) Okie, Locked in an untimely manner? I'd think that J.R. himself would want to weigh in with all the success stories I'm sure that he has from his California due to all these folks who only want to come here for jobs Americans won't do and a yearning for freedom. > I once found myself in an argument with a few of these gentlemen at a conference and realized that I was the only person speaking with an American accent. Can we be sure that it wasn't a yiddish accent? He could have been honest enough to note that these folks did it legally, but that would ruin the appeal to emotion. > The combination of the historic Republican political opposition to immigration with the growing conservative (note: read neoconservative)intellectual passion about it became a major political problem for the GOP in the 1990s. The Latino population in the United States was on the verge of planting roots in the Democratic camp as decisively as previous immigrant groups - especially Jews and those from **Ireland.** Yes, but there is one big difference. The vast majority of the Irish assimilated into Americans. They didn't lose anything by cutting ties with Ireland and as result you don't see the sort of lobbying that you do for Israel. Too bad the same can't be said for the Jews who regard the whole world as their country. It would be fun to take fat ass John boy and his ilk and throw them into a cattle car bound for Alaska. --- ### il ragno *2004-01-09 10:57* | [User Profile](/od/user/85) [QUOTE]And he believes deeply, and correctly, that a Republican Party that continues to lean toward a position of hostility toward immigrants and immigration is a party that will not prosper and prevail in the 21st century.[/QUOTE] That's all this is about. Not a word about how the [I]country [/I] will fare...by God, this shitty little [I]club [/I] I'm in (that my co-religionists are even now infiltrating and dominating) will prosper! [QUOTE]One of the most peculiar elements of the anti-immigrant intellectual movement is just how many of its members are themselves immigrants - John O'Sullivan, John Derbyshire and Peter Brimelow from England, and George Borjas from Cuba. [/QUOTE] But they [U]aren't [/U] anti-immigrationists....they are [I]anti-nonwhite-immigrationists[/I]! Now as this 'debate' quickly snowballs into a Foregone Conclusion, dooming us, we will learn what bitter fruit the weed of appeasement with Jews bears. 30 years of conservative squeamishness about using the term 'white' in any context but a self-deprecatory, self-incriminating one has left the Hollow Man Right packing a dull knife in a gunfight....oh wait a minute...it's the Right that's [I]opening [/I] these floodgates this time! Conservative opponents are little better than hatemongering swamp ticks (unless of course you're mongering hate against Wahhabi'ists or white men with Confederate flag truck decals). [QUOTE]....it should surprise no one that Bush has returned to the issue of immigration. He believes what he said yesterday: "Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans are not filling. [B]We must make our immigration laws more rational, and more humane.[/B]"[/QUOTE] My 'humanity' ends at white American families downsized into subsistence incomes with no health insurance and no barrier against the onrushing brown tide of their new 'countrymen'...as for the Kenny Lay Class securing their ten million dollar productivity bonuses by finding grunting bipeds to labor at fifty cents on the dollar rather than pay white Americans a living wage, rather than managing to somehow eke out an existence on a paltry two or three million instead, I care not a whit. If the corporate oligarchs driving this legislation were on fire I wouldn't piss on 'em, unless there was some chemical component in urea guaranteed to prolong their suffering. But I'm not surprised Sta-Puft Johnny finds this a burning moral issue, as he's never done a day's work in his life that wasn't preceded by a phone call to the publisher from Norm and Midge. --- ### Recluse *2004-01-09 13:33* | [User Profile](/od/user/190) [QUOTE=Sertorius]Okie, Locked in an untimely manner? I'd think that J.R. himself would want to weigh in with all the success stories I'm sure that he has from his California due to all these folks who only want to come here for jobs Americans won't do and a yearning for freedom.[/QUOTE] I think this thread was locked because it was a duplicate, but there's no doubt that Robinson would like to shut down the immigration debate over at throne-sniffer central, but there's a current poll there that shows about 65% of the freepers are against the amnesty plan so he can't afford to be too ham-handed here or it might cut into his receipts. Of course, Republican shill Limbaugh is now offering his [URL=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010804/content/rush_is_right.guest.html]drug-fogged spin[/URL] on this issue so those numbers will probably turn around. As for Robinson, he revealed his depth of knowledge and concern about immigration the other day when he said, [URL=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1051196/posts?page=28#28]"Why not. Gotta get workers from somewhere. All of us boomers will be retiring. LOL"[/URL], which once again confirms my belief that he's nothing more than a shallow punk with a message board and a lot of gullible syncophants. --- ### Angler *2004-01-09 13:38* | [User Profile](/od/user/230) [QUOTE=Okiereddust]*I'm sure a small sampling of neocon triumphalism about the Bush proposal. I also can't help but notice how this thread was locked in an untimely manner.*[/QUOTE]Actually, it was only locked because it was a duplicate thread. (For once they had a reason for locking a thread other than non-kosher ideology.) Here's the original: [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053740/posts[/url] --- ### Sertorius *2004-01-09 13:58* | [User Profile](/od/user/26) Recluse, I see that I wasn't the only one who heard Limbaugh spinning this yesterday. If we could find a way to connect all these talk radio liars up so as to spin a machine I believe they could launch a satellite with no problem. I think the low point of Limbaugh's spin was saying that Americans are lazy because they won't work like Mexicans and instead want time off for "pet care." What a crock. The fact that Americans in the recent past didn't have to work like Mexicans is one of the things that makes us a first world country. If people like Limbaugh had their way we'd wind up like some of the characters from a Jack London novel. Limbaugh ought to have his sorry ass thrown in that cattle car as well for his years of violating peoples' trust. He truly is a worthless piece of pig :dung: I hope that judging by some of the calls he received yesterday that more people start to see him as a hypocrite and a juda's goat that he is. --- ### Recluse *2004-01-09 14:29* | [User Profile](/od/user/190) [QUOTE=Sertorius]I think the low point of Limbaugh's spin was saying that Americans are lazy because they won't work like Mexicans and instead want time off for "pet care." What a crock.[/QUOTE] My idea of a dream pay-per-view event: A camera crew follows Rusty as he walks into a bar full of [URL=http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvcoal/memorial.html]West Virginia coal miners[/URL] and tells them that we need to import Mexicans because they're too lazy to do hard, dangerous work. :lol: --- ### Buster *2004-01-09 16:25* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) [QUOTE=il ragno]But they [U]aren't [/U] anti-immigrationists....they are [I]anti-nonwhite-immigrationists[/I]! [/QUOTE] Yes, IR, plus groups like the Irish crossed an ocean to get here and so were cut off from the old country. That's also why Russian immigration is working well. But it's not the case with Mexico. Another rarely mentioned fact, in the 20s there was no welfare state to sustain immigrants and a huge number who couldn't make it went back home. I'm not sure of the numbers but I think it was well over half. At least we now know that Bush has written off Califirnia in 2004. --- ### Okiereddust *2004-01-09 16:26* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Recluse]I think this thread was locked because it was a duplicate, Ah yes, when I connect to the duplicate thread I see the same old thing I remember from the FR of old when I was there. My old friends, the neocons like Dane and nopardons dominating, against the masses too gullible to realize how they are being used by the forum. All the old "comments deleted by moderator" etc. [quote=recluse]but there's no doubt that Robinson would like to shut down the immigration debate over at throne-sniffer central, but there's a current poll there that shows about 65% of the freepers are against the amnesty plan so he can't afford to be too ham-handed here or it might cut into his receipts. Of course, Republican shill Limbaugh is now offering his [URL=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010804/content/rush_is_right.guest.html]drug-fogged spin[/URL] on this issue so those numbers will probably turn around. As for Robinson, he revealed his depth of knowledge and concern about immigration the other day when he said, [URL=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1051196/posts?page=28#28]"Why not. Gotta get workers from somewhere. All of us boomers will be retiring. LOL"[/URL], which once again confirms my belief that he's nothing more than a shallow punk with a message board and a lot of gullible syncophants.[/QUOTE] Exactly. I always wished we could figure out something to do about it, but I guess that's water under the bridge. --- ### jay *2004-01-09 17:28* | [User Profile](/od/user/159) A good quote was given by someone on the old SFOF. he said, "I used to say the GOP was going to get killed by the Hispanics. but then I woke up one day and realized, 'they're going to become as pro-welfare and anti-white as it takes' to get their vote." So true. and sick. and sad. Whites need to get their brains going, b/c it's obvious they don't have options anymore, politically. -Jay --- ### Valley Forge *2004-01-10 02:53* | [User Profile](/od/user/106) Did anyone see CSPAN the other morning? Their idea of a fair and balanced immigration debate consisted of a pro-immigration Jew vs. a pro-immigration shabgoy from the CATO institute, with a host from the Indian subcontinent taking the calls. One woman called in said "I'm White. A lot of us Californians are White. And we want to know when will we get **OUR** citizenship back." They cut her off, needless to say. --- ### Valley Forge *2004-01-10 02:57* | [User Profile](/od/user/106) *Why not. Gotta get workers from somewhere. All of us boomers will be retiring. LOL - Jim Robinson* Just when you thought that filthy, contemptible scum couldn't sink any lower, he comes out with this. --- ### Sertorius *2004-01-10 03:11* | [User Profile](/od/user/26) VF, What would really be poetic justice is for J.R. to have his possessions looted by a mob of Mexicans and for him to find himself on the Nevada state line with only his wheelchair- minus the wheels, of course. The cattle car for deracinated trash like that too. --- ### Buster *2004-01-11 19:12* | [User Profile](/od/user/164) So Podhoretz the Younger trains his squirt gun on Buchanan yet again. I bet Pat trembles. Actually, we are all falling into Junior's trap. He throws in Buchanan's name only in his desperate hope of gaining attention, and sure enough, he gets it here. Ironic but effective. --- ### Faust *2004-01-15 04:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/60) Now this is a great article by Paul Gottfried! Attack Of The Pod Person I: Amnesty To Remake GOP By Paul Gottfried [url]http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/lesser.htm[/url] --- ### Okiereddust *2004-01-15 05:15* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Faust]Now this is a great article by Paul Gottfried! Attack Of The Pod Person I: Amnesty To Remake GOP By Paul Gottfried [url]http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/lesser.htm[/url][/QUOTE]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=11888 ---