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Thread ID: 11801 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2004-01-08
2004-01-08 22:58 | User Profile
I just recently conversed with Kevin MacDonald through email and was shocked to hear that the "Culture of Critique" hasn't even sold 3000 copies. And even though I had previously read it, I felt it was important to support the man's fantastic research. If you didn't know, he has a new updated version in which he addresses some of the attacks on his Trilogy. And just from reading the new intro, I could sense him becoming more radically opposed to the tribe.
I know that all the regulars have read this book, but if it helps to sell one more copy, it was worth it. Here's the link.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0759672229/qid=1073602538/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2557496-4487024?v=glance&s=books[/url]
2004-01-09 00:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Chaucer]I just recently conversed with Kevin MacDonald through email and was shocked to hear that the "Culture of Critique" hasn't even sold 3000 copies. And even though I had previously read it, I felt it was important to support the man's fantastic research. If you didn't know, he has a new updated version in which he addresses some of the attacks on his Trilogy. And just from reading the new intro, I could sense him becoming more radically opposed to the tribe.
I know that all the regulars have read this book, but if it helps to sell one more copy, it was worth it. Here's the link.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0759672229/qid=1073602538/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2557496-4487024?v=glance&s=books[/url][/QUOTE]
Well that settles the question we've discussed over its circulation here.
There is an on-line edition avaliable for only five bucks, in case price is a problem.
2004-01-09 01:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]There is an on-line edition avaliable for only five bucks, in case price is a problem.[/QUOTE] Okie, could you please post the link to that online edition? I did a search but could only locate the preface. I'm planning on ordering the hardcopy version as well, but I like to have online copies of controversial books. Thanks.
2004-01-09 05:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Okie, could you please post the link to that online edition? I did a search but could only locate the preface. I'm planning on ordering the hardcopy version as well, but I like to have online copies of controversial books. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Here's the link where it was discussed. I imagine you can go to 1st books and do a search.
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showpost.php?p=4021&postcount=35[/url]
2004-01-09 08:45 | User Profile
3000 copies!!!!!!!! Ahhh! I can't believe it, and I purchased it, and I do not buy allot of books... This book is not hard to read, and the immigration section would be spell bonding to the average Republickin... This news is perhaps that the 2 to 5% don't need or want to know the detail's of how they have been rear ended, but are pissed, and perhaps are preparing resistance in their own ways... After all if savage's are all around you, it is hard to want to read anything as you are guard daily, and being taxed in to the gutter, and not allowed to defend your self with out being investigated if it is a non white you defend your self against.....
2004-01-09 09:01 | User Profile
I can't believe it either. The apathy is unbelieveable.
The bright side might just be Duke, who still sells plenty (I hear Jewish Supremacy is doing steady business). Maybe it takes reading Duke to advance to KMAC.
Just a thought. I could be wrong.
2004-01-09 13:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Here's the link where it was discussed. I imagine you can go to 1st books and do a search.
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showpost.php?p=4021&postcount=35[/url][/QUOTE] Cool -- thanks again.
2004-01-09 16:11 | User Profile
[quote=smedley]3000 copies!!!!!!!! Ahhh! I can't believe it, and I purchased it, and I do not buy allot of books... This book is not hard to read, and the immigration section would be spell bonding to the average Republickin... [QUOTE=Ragnar]I can't believe it either. The apathy is unbelieveable.
The bright side might just be Duke, who still sells plenty (I hear Jewish Supremacy is doing steady business). Maybe it takes reading Duke to advance to KMAC.
Just a thought. I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Just let me ask both of you first, where did you hear of these books, and for what use do you envision for them? You hear of it on forums like this right, where you get tired of the arguments of the neocons on the mainstream forums right?
Now let me ask you 1) How many people are in this basic cognitive category? and 2) where else you're goingto hear about this book but forums like this?
Answer 1) Not many and 2) very few places
I think the answer gets back to the standard distinction Lenin made between propaganda (for the vanguard) and agitation (for the masses). CoC is propaganda.
Its just unrealistic to expect the masses to seriously study propaganda. That's why propaganda and forums dessiminating it need a tie in with organizations with more mass appeal and reach. That's what both we and Kevin MacDonald lack.
2004-01-09 19:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]
Its just unrealistic to expect the masses to seriously study propaganda. That's why propaganda and forums dessiminating it need a tie in with organizations with more mass appeal and reach. That's what both we and Kevin MacDonald lack.[/QUOTE]
I think the Jewish Watch Dog Groups have made a conceded effort to avoid publicizing his work. I did a search under "Kevin MacDonald" on a few ââ¬Åhate watch sitesââ¬Â and the results were zilch. I think the tribes approach is to just ignore his work. I was shocked to see that WND would publish one of his articles. I bet that will be the last time that ever happens.
2004-01-09 19:50 | User Profile
That is a depressing number. That, even after it got reviewed (obliquely negatively) by John Derbyshire in the American Conservative? Are you sure you heard that right? I've seen single individuals with cash buy boxfuls of that book and just hand them out. Then again, the individuals I see are prone to that. But the point above is well-taken. CofC is pretty thick stuff, and most folks aren't going to get it. But I imagine any college-educated person could figure it out.
What I can't figure out is why the major publishing houses won't pick up this book, promote it heavily with reviews in the Times, and schedule Prof. MacDonald for an appearance on Larry King Live.
Oh, wait...
2004-01-09 20:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]What I can't figure out is why the major publishing houses won't pick up this book, promote it heavily with reviews in the Times, and schedule Prof. MacDonald for an appearance on Larry King Live.
Oh, wait...[/QUOTE]
:) Good one, Hugh. One thing I always like to mention to those who say Europe is our (whites) salvation is that Kevin MacD is an American. That should tell us all a little something. For those who haven't read it, CofC will rock your world.
I wonder if MacDonald ever checks in here at OD? I know Shamir does.
2004-01-09 20:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]That is a depressing number. That, even after it got reviewed (obliquely negatively) by John Derbyshire in the American Conservative? [/QUOTE]
TAC is a very small circulation mag, probably less than 10,000 paid subscribers, and the Derbyshire review coupled with McConnell's making Sobran persona non grata has virtually guaranteed its obscurity by alienating the people who would otherwise support it. Besides, anything Pat or Taki writes for TAC is always available for free on the mag's website, so there is little incentive to subscribe.
2004-01-10 02:34 | User Profile
If it sold 30,000 or even 300,000 copies, do you think that Amazon would actually print those numbers? For Joe Sixpack? He just MIGHT possibly want to take a look. Anyway, no matter how many copies MacDonald sells, I honestly feel that sometimes Amazon and others "deflate" the numbers for books that aren't "kosher". Publicity isn't forthcoming. If it sold 3 million copies, well, Old MacDonald would find himself awash in a sea of bad publicity with his ("proper") career nosediving in similar fashion to David Irving's.
It's up to "regular" folks like us to get the word out. As things collapse, MacDonald's work will become more popular. Because people will be looking for reasons. For answers.
2004-01-10 07:19 | User Profile
Roy, your on to something here, I do not and can not believe that it only sold 3000 copie's!.. Maybe 3000 Hard Back Books yes, but the paper backs from first press, gave me the impression over the phone that they were sending CC books every week.. She told me when I ordered two copies, that it would go out as soon as they got I think 50 or 100 order's, because first books prints the books as they get orders only.. See what I mean.. Look 20,000 Jews in Sweeden not even 1% and they control and filter all swedish news.. This is wrong and gencidal.....
2004-01-10 09:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]It's up to "regular" folks like us to get the word out. As things collapse, MacDonald's work will become more popular. Because people will be looking for reasons. For answers.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it is Roy. I hope all of our senior membership here will take a little time to welcome our newest member to OD -- Dr. Kevin MacDonald himself. I can't help but think that it's a nice turn of events for our little community here.
2004-01-10 09:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Just let me ask both of you first, where did you hear of these books, and for what use do you envision for them? You hear of it on forums like this right, where you get tired of the arguments of the neocons on the mainstream forums right? [/QUOTE]
Actually it was AntiYuppie in my case.
He quoted CofC now and then on some of his posts at the old Sam Francis forum where I was FranzJoseph, and I was put off at first. I'd already read Revilo Oliver and figured "the Jew thing" was for cranks, not interested. But the quotes wowed me. MacDonald was not running around in the same old circle. So, AY, if you read this, it was your doing. Not a bad bit of work either.
2004-01-11 21:51 | User Profile
I am telling you guys, MacDonald said CoC hasn't reached 3000 copies yet. Email him yourself, if interested. He replied quickly.
[email]kmacd@csulb.edu[/email]
2004-01-11 21:56 | User Profile
And buy his other two texts on Judaism. I just read Separation and its Discontents, and it was just as solid as CoC.
2004-01-11 23:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Smedley Butler]Roy, your on to something here, I do not and can not believe that it only sold 3000 copie's!.. Maybe 3000 Hard Back Books yes, but the paper backs from first press, gave me the impression over the phone that they were sending CC books every week.. She told me when I ordered two copies, that it would go out as soon as they got I think 50 or 100 order's, because first books prints the books as they get orders only.. See what I mean.. Look 20,000 Jews in Sweeden not even 1% and they control and filter all swedish news.. This is wrong and gencidal.....[/QUOTE]
Pertinently, CofC is banned in Sweden.
2004-01-12 04:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ragnar][quote=okiereddust]Just let me ask both of you first, where did you hear of these books, and for what use do you envision for them? You hear of it on forums like this right, where you get tired of the arguments of the neocons on the mainstream forums right?
Actually it was AntiYuppie in my case.
He quoted CofC now and then on some of his posts at the old Sam Francis forum where I was FranzJoseph, and I was put off at first. I'd already read Revilo Oliver and figured "the Jew thing" was for cranks, not interested. But the quotes wowed me. MacDonald was not running around in the same old circle. So, AY, if you read this, it was your doing. Not a bad bit of work either.[/QUOTE]
See the second part of that quote of mine. [quote=okiereddust]Now let me ask you 1) How many people are in this basic cognitive category? and 2) where else you're goingto hear about this book but forums like this?
Answer 1) Not many and 2) very few places
To which I'd answer a third one. 3) How many people view this forum, and how many other forums like it are there where people could view similar stuff on MacDonald?
Answer - Not many.
Look at the numbers. Why does it seem so unreasonable CoC circulation is so low.
It may be because of its merits. Well if merits were what caused success and publicity this forum would be 10 times bigger than Free Republic and Tex would have a paid staff of 10.
2004-01-12 04:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Smedley Butler]Roy, your on to something here, I do not and can not believe that it only sold 3000 copie's!.. Maybe 3000 Hard Back Books yes, but the paper backs from first press, gave me the impression over the phone that they were sending CC books every week.. She told me when I ordered two copies, that it would go out as soon as they got I think 50 or 100 order's, because first books prints the books as they get orders only.. See what I mean.. Look 20,000 Jews in Sweeden not even 1% and they control and filter all swedish news.. This is wrong and gencidal.....[/QUOTE]Smedley do you believe this is right from the horses mouth or not? Just answer me that. Either you do or you don't.
If you don't, per Chaucer check it out yourself. If you do, why are you still arguing the point?
Unless you think Kevin MacDonald himself is self-deceived. And if he was, on such a basic point as this, I'd wonder about the accuracy of his books or anything else he said.
Which I personally don't do.
2004-01-13 09:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Chaucer]I am telling you guys, MacDonald said CoC hasn't reached 3000 copies yet. Email him yourself, if interested. He replied quickly.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he's good. When 1stBooks was taking it's time coming out with the paperback I asked him when in blazes it was coming out and he emailed me back with the estimated date pretty quick. That particular outfit was being difficult.
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The emphasis on numbers might be misplaced anyway. The country is being run by neocons, and they never had a movement. How many copies did Norman Podhoretz's Breaking Ranks sell? That blowhard tome set the agenda for the neocons. Only his son and a few others had to read it.
Raw numbers mean little in this area. Booksales mean less. Yggdrasil is quoted all over nowadays, on the net and elsewhere, and he never bothered with a book. What he had to say he threw on the net one article at a time. I'd estimate he's influenced many thousands of people, for good or ill. (A truck driver for a local bottler had all Ygg's stuff printed out to read on the run.)
People are watching, too.
I know any number of people in industry, some come from old money even, who desperately would like to make a move. They were watching hard when the Marc Moran fiasco was going on at VNN. There was a sense that it's time for an above-ground white movement and they saw VNN crack-up and said, "Okay, not here."
There's going to be a "here" someday and it might even be here, at least part of the way. The people who hold the real prize -- as usual, the sort of investment capital that makes breakthroughs happen -- are skittish. They truly believe it will be too late in a short time. But they have reasonable fears. They have lots to lose.
I wouldn't worry too much about the numbers. On a policy-making level, this country is run by lots less than 3000 people.