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Thread ID: 11765 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2004-01-06
2004-01-06 23:25 | User Profile
If Jorge Bush pushes this through, it will be the last nail in the coffin of America.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hoping to attract more Hispanic support for his re-election bid, President Bush on Wednesday will resurrect a plan to help millions of immigrants work legally in the United States, officials said.
Officials familiar with the president's plan said he would outline proposals based on some principles rather than specific legislation. Bush will meet next week with Mexican President Vicente Fox, who has long pressed for U.S. concessions.
The officials said the plan would seek to allow immigrants to enter the United States legally if jobs were waiting for them and would also include a way for some undocumented workers already in the country to move toward legal status.
Analysts estimate the number of illegal immigrants at about 10 million, although some estimates go as high as 14 million. That number is growing by about 300,000 to 500,000 a year, according to the National Immigration Forum.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, while not commenting on the contents of Bush's proposals, said the president would give "an important speech on immigration policy" in the White House East Room at 2:30 p.m.
"The president believes that America should be a welcoming society," he said. "We are a nation of immigrants, and our nation is better for it."
Bush is reviving an issue put on hold when the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks raised American worries about terrorists slipping across U.S. borders and prompted tighter control of foreigners entering and living in the country.
Bush's re-election team would like to increase Hispanic support for a second term for the president, particularly in states where they could tip the balance in his favor, such as Florida and California.
Hispanics have traditionally been part of the Democratic base. Democrat Al Gore beat Bush by 66 percent to 32 percent among the Hispanic electorate in the 2000 election.
'POLITICAL POSITIONING'
Hispanic organizations said it was time Bush addressed the issue after campaigning in 2000 for immigration reform.
"I don't want to be cynical about this, but it's interesting that he's doing this during an election year," said Maria Cardona, project director for the New Democrat Network organization that addresses Hispanic issues.
"We fear this is political positioning and we really want to see some sincere policy outcomes and see something that really helps the immigrant community and not just the Bush campaign," said Michele Waslin, spokeswoman for the National Council of La Raza, a group dedicated to improving the lives of Hispanics.
Any legislative proposal would likely run into opposition from conservatives on Capitol Hill who are particularly concerned about border security.
Rep. Thomas Tancredo, a Colorado Republican who leads the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, a group of 70 legislators that argue for more restrictions, said an amnesty of any kind was a "step backwards."
"So to the extent that their proposal provides for some kind of legalization in the status of those who are here, then I would certainly be opposed to that," he said.
"We haven't had presidential leadership on this issue for a while," said a senior Republican Senate aide. "It's going to be a long process but having the president's support for reform in general is enormous to this effort."
If implemented, the plan could lead to the biggest change in U.S. immigration law since 1986 legislation that gave legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, many of them smuggled across the Mexican border.
What to do about them is a political conundrum. Americans do not like having illegals in the country, but many undocumented workers take low-wage jobs that Americans shun but are necessary for a functioning society.
"I'm not sure he's going to go far enough," U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue said of Bush's initiative. "We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States right now. If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
2004-01-07 00:44 | User Profile
[SIZE=7]Treason![/SIZE]
2004-01-07 08:52 | User Profile
With apologies to TD: GODDAMN the traitor Chimp, that filthy, smirking hog Rove, the money-grubbing U.S. Chamber of Commerce Judases - oh, and the hook-snouted jewwws as well.
2004-01-07 11:58 | User Profile
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, while not commenting on the contents of Bush's proposals, said the president would give "an important speech on immigration policy" in the White House East Room at 2:30 p.m.
Usually, acts of treason and cowardice are committed in the darkest of night.
"The president believes that America should be a welcoming society," he said. "We are a nation of immigrants, and our nation is better for it."
Oh yes,and I know people in construction who would agree whole heartedly with this! Seeing their wages frozen or worse decline is just what the doctor ordered.
"I don't want to be cynical about this, but it's interesting that he's doing this during an election year," said Maria Cardona, project director for the New Democrat Network organization that addresses Hispanic issues.
Yep, you know what this is about and if you play your cards right you can get chimp to give you even more beanies while still voting democratic!
"We haven't had presidential leadership on this issue for a while," said a senior Republican Senate aide. "It's going to be a long process but having the president's support for reform in general is enormous to this effort."
I'd love to know who said this.
"I'm not sure he's going to go far enough," U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue said of Bush's initiative. "We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States right now. If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."[/QUOTE]
Of course it doesn't go far enough for you greedy sons of bitches. You want what those a$$holes of the Wall Street Journal want as a constitutional amendment:
"There shall be open borders.
More lies. As for shutting down the country, bullshit. What it would mean is that you would have to pay a decent wage and at this point I'd take it right out of your own overblown check.
The only good that will come out of this in a very narrow sense is that Bush has made his re-election more difficult. He won't get enough votes from the "hispanics" to offset the number of white votes that he will lose despite the bullshit "war on terror."
Hell, I thought that Bill Clinton was the worse president we ever had. Bush has actually beat Clinton out in the catagory.
2004-01-07 16:37 | User Profile
"The president believes that America should be a welcoming society," he said. "We are a nation of immigrants, and our nation is better for it."
Yeah, and tell me one country that ISN"T a country of immigrants. This is getting really old. Does anyone in government ever study history? As far as "being a better nation for it", that applied a long time ago. That was then and this is now.
Jorge is pushing our country down the tubes faster and faster, but I don't think any of the demoncratic alternatives will help. Is there a viable third party out there? Now is the time!
2004-01-07 17:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States right now. If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country." [/QUOTE]
Wow. This guy doesn't think much of the 290M of us that aren't illegals.
-JAY
2004-01-07 18:26 | User Profile
Look on the bright side, fellas. We need more actions like this by the Stupid Party to alienate Middle America and act as a catalyst to push people into the nationalist camp.
2004-01-07 20:19 | User Profile
Centinel,
They certainly suceeded in that. Even stupid talk radio has folks that are mad as hell about it, despite the efforts of traitors like Limbaugh to spin it or outright lie. I hope the folks start to realize that the folks on talk radio are only in this for the money or worse and find other sources of information.
2004-01-07 20:41 | User Profile
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
my head is going to explode!
(this on the heels of the news that Bush's labor department is giving advice to employers on how to shaft their workers out of overtime pay.)
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome beast?
I can't believe that people are playing charades by calling him "conservative"...it is enough to make me blow chunks.
And the lie that was hidden was not as dangerous as the lie that was not.
(is Bush just arrogant, stupid, or both? Of course he probably has deibold in his pocket)
2004-01-08 02:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Dagmar]AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
my head is going to explode!
(this on the heels of the news that Bush's labor department is giving advice to employers on how to shaft their workers out of overtime pay.)
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome beast? [/QUOTE]
I think the only way to get rid of this miserable man is for all anti-immigrant Republicans to stay home on election day. Let the Dems win. If that's what it takes, so be it.
Bush and his handlers are confident that white conservatives will still vote Republican because the alternative is worse. That keep using this strategy and that's why we get nothing.
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2004-01-08 06:06 | User Profile
Steve Sailor had a good comment on his [URL=http://www.isteve.com/]site[/URL] (emboldened below):
The more I study Bush's immigration plan ... the more radical it appears. Essentially, he is calling for the merging of the American and 3rd World (not just Mexican) job markets, which would obviously have horrendous consequences for the pay of working class American citizens. Here's one of the "principles" Bush enunciated:
"Second, new immigration laws should serve the economic needs of our country. If an American employer is offering a job that American citizens are not willing to take, we ought to welcome into our country a person who will fill that job."
We sure wouldn't want an American employer to do anything craaaazy to try to make American citizens more willing to take the job, like, say, offering higher pay!
The Bush-Rove plan sounds like something out of a nightmare/fantasy of Karl Marx's: the intention is to use the global "reserve army of the unemployed" to grind American working class citizens' pay down to the minimum wage.
Are Bush-Rove nuts? Is the biggest problem facing America really the fact that Americans without college educations make more money than 3rd Worlders with similar skills? I thought that was a good thing about America! Does the Administration want to relaunch an old-fashioned class war? Why do they want to economically assault their own base?
2004-01-08 08:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]I think the only way to get rid of this miserable man is for all anti-immigrant Republicans to stay home on election day. Let the Dems win. If that's what it takes, so be it.
Bush and his handlers are confident that white conservatives will still vote Republican because the alternative is worse. That keep using this strategy and that's why we get nothing.
-[/QUOTE]
Right. Scumbag Rove is said to have sneered "where're they gonna go?" when someone raised the possibilty of White revolt at his race traitor initiative. The way to make this piece of trash, his banana-munchin', diaper-wearin' "boss" and the verminous moneybags who own them shit themselves with fear is obvious: Dont' "go" anywhere. If every outraged White American with 2 functioning brain cells (this clearly rules out the jewwww-worshipping One Bookers) simply refused to vote, the Republican Roach Motel would be crushed - and crushed it must be if we're to save our race.
Yes, maybe this infuriating act of treachery will work to our advantage after all. The kahnservative filth must be exposed as genocidal frauds before we can have a true White nationalist party.
By the way: Anybody see Lou Dobbs last night? He quoted the female head of Hewlett-Packard: she had the gall to say "Americans must learn that no job is a God-given right anymore". Naturally, she doesn't include herself in that statement. F-cking whore. Ticks like that must be mercilessly exterminated one fine day.
2004-01-08 12:13 | User Profile
Bush just signed [URL=http://speaker.house.gov/library/econ/031001minorities.shtml]The American Dream Downpayment Act[/URL], an outrageous reparations raid on the White taxpayer's wallet that's supposed to "narrow the gap" between minority and White home ownership. How's that going to happen when he continues to encourage millions of dirt poor, stinking Mexicans to flood across the border every year. Of course, if you pose that question to the average Bush supporter all you get is a blank stare. They have no idea what you're talking about. I wonder what it would be like to be governed by people who aren't criminally insane.
2004-01-08 14:05 | User Profile
Well, for all those "worse-is-better-for-WN" folks out there.....Bush is your man for 4 more years!! The Bush Cabal of Death has lit the fuse for a race war. May God send them all straight to Hell.
2004-01-08 17:05 | User Profile
As long as the GOP exists as a faux-conservative foil to the Democrat's in-your-face socialism, Americans will make absolutely no progress.
Thus, we need to crush, destroy and otherwise annihilate the GOP as our first priority. In that light, this proposal is a gift, as much as it makes my gorge rise.
Even the Bush base is getting irked. Check out the fools over the at The High Roadâ⢠(what a sanctimonius name, eh?) forum, which is essentially FreakRepublic for gun nuts. With the exception of a few token lily-livered Libertarians (who make the GOP seem rational when it comes to race) they usually trample each other in their haste to fellate anything with a GOP-approved label. Not in this case, and that portends BadThingsâ⢠(I fervently hope) for the GOP and Bush/Rove. What the 9/11 attacks did not do, I hope that the genetic Pearl Harbor of unimpeded and in fact encouraged mud invasion will: awaken a slumbering giant.
[url]http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=57664[/url]
[url]http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=57934[/url]
But I won't hold my breath, as Whites have shown an extraordinary capacity to absorb continual abuse and retain the strongest capacity for willful ignorance and denial of any other race. One HighRoader made the point that (White, though he didn't say it) Americans are like a battered spouse. The more they're beaten on, the more they insist "he really loves me" right up until the day he snaps their neck, or they find themselves on their knees, naked in a snowy soccer field.
2004-01-08 17:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]the GOP exists as a faux-conservative foil to the Democrat's in-your-face socialism, ..[/QUOTE]
That's a great quote, I'm going to steal that one from you....:)
A friend of mine loves Rush, said callers were going beserk yesterday. Rush basically said, "Yeah but do you prefer Dean?" over and over. The lesser of 2 evils, well, I'm not falling for that anymore.
As Michael Moore (the dipshit,,,,,I know) said: "It's the evil of 2 lessors" He's got a point.
-Jay
2004-01-08 19:47 | User Profile
And it's very much the same on Hannity's show as well.
The degree of protest to this latest Bush transgression runs the gamut... "I'm confused" to "I'm concerned" to "I'm starting to feel disenfranchised" to "I hereby give up on Bush". Listening to Seany feel his listener's pain while still shilling for Republicans is like watching a man try to plug the myriad holes in his sinking ship. It seems that for a growing number of his listeners, this, the umpteenth Bush sell-out, is the straw that broke the camel's back.
This monument to brilliant Rovian "strategery" has actually managed to piss off almost everyone... radical open-borders nuts who don't see it as going far enough, Democrat partisans who resent this issue being stolen from them, Bush fence-sitters who have now witten him off, and even rabid GOPers who are starting to have doubts.
2004-01-08 19:57 | User Profile
Who was president during the first amnesty? Wasn't it Reagan?
I've heard a somewhat plausible theory that Bush doesn't believe the measure will come through, but he wants to show the messicans that he cares and hence get their votes. However, given the prior Whore-Hey moves on this issue long before the re-election, the chimp looks serious in wanting the measure to succeed.
2004-01-08 20:03 | User Profile
Why would it be stopped? Simple: the GOP congress will stop it, due to backlash, like they did the last amnesty vote.
And if that happens, the left will hammer them for it. back to square 1. why woudl BUsh do something that will only make his congress look bad in the eyes of the leftist media?
2004-01-08 21:36 | User Profile
wild bill:
I think the only way to get rid of this miserable man is for all anti-immigrant Republicans to stay home on election day. Let the Dems win. If that's what it takes, so be it.
If you're resigned to the fate of letting the chips fall where they may out of disgust for both the overt socialists and the faux conservatives--as are most folks on this forum--I would suggest still going to the polls and voting for whomever the Constitution/America First Parties run rather than just sitting at home.
Of course they're not going to win the election, but one reason so many people stay away from the polls is that they are disgusted with mainstream party candidates and don't feel like third parties have any potential or influence. Most people are followers with no initiative, and will not be the ones laughed at for getting the ball rolling for fringe candidates, but at some point from time to time, those candidates get critical mass and are able to get mainstream coverage.
When enough people are disgusted enough to cast a protest vote, it gets someone's attention. Look at what the Greens did to Gore in 2000 and Perot did to Bush in 1992. The Greens sort of got what they wanted for 2004 in that the influence they wielded through spoiling an election has pulled the Dems considerably to the left.
I don't see why a substantial number of far-right votes for non-GOP candidates can't accomplish something similar.
2004-01-08 22:19 | User Profile
Steal away, Jay.
And if that happens, the left will hammer them for it. back to square 1. why woudl BUsh do something that will only make his congress look bad in the eyes of the leftist media?
If that's truly the case, then the smart move by Congress would be to pass it and drop the whole mess in Jorge's lap, claiming all the while that the Prez strong-armed them into doing it. It would serve the bastard right!
The degree of protest to this latest Bush transgression runs the gamut... "I'm confused" to "I'm concerned" to "I'm starting to feel disenfranchised" to "I hereby give up on Bush". Listening to Seany feel his listener's pain while still shilling for Republicans is like watching a man try to plug the myriad holes in his sinking ship. It seems that for a growing number of his listeners, this, the umpteenth Bush sell-out, is the straw that broke the camel's back.
This is more good news. Anything that makes Hannity squirm is great, in my book. By the way, can anyone from the Atlanta area provide info on Neal Boortz's reaction (if any)? They've relegated him to the wee hours of the morning here on the local station. I suspect he will present a standard argument straight outta the Wall Street Journal about how great it is and imply that anyone who doesn't agree is an idiot or something.
I would suggest still going to the polls and voting for whomever the Constitution/America First Parties run rather than just sitting at home.
That's good advice, Centinel, and is what I've been planning on doing since it became clear that Bush was about as conservative as the local teacher's union representative, which was before he even took office, I might add.
2004-01-08 22:41 | User Profile
Even though this literally makes my blood boil, I'm of the mindset that worse is better. I can't wait until mainstream America supports a contender hostile to the tribe.