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Rise of White Nationalism

Thread ID: 11757 | Posts: 33 | Started: 2004-01-06

heritagelost [OP]

2004-01-06 13:43 | User Profile

The other thread is wrong. White Nationalism is not collapsing, because it never amounted to anything in the first place. I'm still waiting for the rise of white nationalism.

Europe Endless

2004-01-08 09:05 | User Profile

Good point. Since world war two, nationalism has for all intents and purposes been dead to world politics. 'White nationalism' is the laughingstock of modern political discourse because it's a mockery of a "defeated" enemy. Until we start putting together something different we deserve their ridicule.

UnsleepingFlame

2004-01-29 19:37 | User Profile

(deleted my post due to its overload of irresponsible, disordered goofball statements brought on by inordinate intoxication. not a typical thing with me.)

Chaucer

2004-01-29 21:23 | User Profile

Welcome!! Good to see that some of our youth is awakening. I'm 24, btw.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-01-30 02:50 | User Profile

"Why does current WN attract so many low-class specimens? Plants account for very little. There are some obscure psycho-social mechanisms here, which only an expert psychologist or sociologist could understand."

I don't think its really all that complex. Have you ever seen a 400-lb. man who's face can't be seen due to a mass of greasy, unwashed hair, tooling around on a loud, polluting Harley-Davidson rattletrap, wearing what appears to be a First World War-era, spiked German helmet (that in his historical ignorance, he presumably misassociates with Germany in the NSDAP period)? Such overt specimens are rare these days, but I see about one or two a year here in the Bay Area. What caused this fellow to wish to identify with White Nationalism? While some of it no doubt has to do with the unpleasant behavior of Negroes he has encountered (perhaps he was even raped in prison), a lot of it probably has to do with the fact that he's a loser, and its been drilled into his head since Day 1 that WNs are losers, too. Birds of a feather. That's why the ludicrous stereotype of the WN as an ignorant, toothless redneck is of such importance to the Jewish-dominated Establishment (or IP, as many of us refer to it on this board, i.e. members of the Inner Party from George Orwell's "1984," which as a 19-year old who's read K-Mac's CofC, you simply must be familiar with). Not only does it directly make it harder for us to recruit new members, since who wants to join a pack of losers, it encourages losers to swell our ranks, thus making us less effective, due to all the dead weight and bad publicity. The truth, of course, is that WNs and White-friendly paleo-conservatives are usually the most (if not only) intelligent and educated people in any given room. We know that, but our target audience doesn't. When they meet one of us, they think we are the aberration and that the redneck vulgarian is the norm, when it is actually the reverse. If more people realized this were the case, it would be easier for us to recruit higher-quality adherents, which would be a disaster for the IP. That's why it so important for high-quality WNs (the ones with the most to lose) to be open to their family, friends and even acquaintances about their views; in order to serve as a living testament to the falsity of the media image we are saddled with. As powerful as the media is, its not always more powerful than real-life experiences....

Ragnar

2004-01-30 10:04 | User Profile

There's roughly two types that become WN, artists who see what's coming clearly but have the sense to lay low, and criminals/misfits who don't care anymore.

Logically, misfits define WN because they are about the only ones visible.

This has been true, incidently, for the entire post-WWII European world. There is always a Revilo P. Oliver (currently the role is occupied by Kevin Alfred Strom) who are somewhat artistic but bold enough to let their inner criminal speak a few truths. William Pierce was another.

These men are unknown to the majority of whites and likely to remain that way. Till this changes, nothing else can happen. Yggdrasil suggested getting CD burners and creating an alternative mass media, so the Olivers and Stroms could speak to millions and demonstrate that misfits aren't the only white nationalists on earth.

Ygg's suggestion might be worth a shot; I've heard nothing else as reasonable or practical for several years now.

Craig Smith

2004-01-30 16:29 | User Profile

[QUOTE=UnsleepingFlame]Exactly! Beyond a few well-informed scholars, philosophers, journalists, activists, and laypersons, American WN confines itself to the self-neutralizing sophmoric activities of utterly mediocre, unprofessional inferiority-complex-bound people. [/QUOTE]

This is the consequence of running extremist movements on geek topics with heavy imagery. You put a swastika on anything, it's like pornography these days.

There are alternatives. But they are not sexy, they are not easy, and they are not at this point "for" anyone but the first group you mention (not the polarized degenerates).

Craig Smith

2004-01-30 16:33 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Ragnar]There's roughly two types that become WN, artists who see what's coming clearly but have the sense to lay low, and criminals/misfits who don't care anymore.[/QUOTE]

This article I read on Ecocide and Blade Runner/Neuromancer is interesting because those movies portray the future most people now envision. Get a corporate job or be a mutant living in nuclear wastelands. It's the same artist mentality that says, "This won't end well," looking at the party we're now having at the expense of nature: our environment, our genetics/health, our existences as independent beings. Bring back the feral before Earth becomes Machine Planet One.

Link, dawg:

[url]http://project.cyberpunk.ru/idb/post-humanism_and_ecocide.html[/url]

Salvador

2004-01-30 23:32 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Ragnar]There's roughly two types that become WN, artists who see what's coming clearly but have the sense to lay low, and criminals/misfits who don't care anymore. [/QUOTE]

This probably sums it up. It isn't that a lot of people aren't aware of our ideas, it just they choose to lay low. They aren't going to volunteer their ideology to anyone. I really do not know what it will take to make these ideas turn into action. It has to be a whole movement like Le Pen in France or the BNP in Britain, joining a WN group probably won't help much.

golfball

2004-01-31 15:00 | User Profile

It is entertaining to myself to see the despair and lamentations of those that whine and complain because they do not want to join existing organizations.

Well, should a negro or non-white place their foot upon your neck, hey, you deserved it! :smartass:

The Klan has been around longer than most of you. Go ahead and shovel your scorn on organizations that have stood for God, Race and Nation for over a century, because you are digging your own graves.

It sure is easy to be standing on the outside and demeaning groups that stand for the White race. That sure makes you feel better now, don't it?

Just remember the groups that you demean when you are looking at your new lord and master and expressing yourself the way they allow you to. :crybaby:

And take this to your heart, :heart: , I and others like me will not be able to help you out of your predicament. All that will be left is the :crybaby:

Salvador

2004-01-31 17:16 | User Profile

[QUOTE=golfball]The Klan has been around longer than most of you. Go ahead and shovel your scorn on organizations that have stood for God, Race and Nation for over a century, because you are digging your own graves. [/QUOTE] No offense golfball, but the Klan and Nazis are painfully embarrassing to the white movement. The Klan example is usually used in Jewish conceived movies and television to show how stupid "we" all are. Having southern European and Catholic (cultural) roots, I also interpret the Klan and Nazis as being somewhat an exclusively anglo/nordic organization, something that I would prefer to avoid.

golfball

2004-01-31 19:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Salvador]No offense golfball, but the Klan and Nazis are painfully embarrassing to the white movement.
......... [/QUOTE]

Yet as I look out on the ocean of faces bobbling around out there, I cast them a life preserver that is old, yet sturdy and dependable. If they refuse what is offered because it is embarrassing, then let them try to float till that nice, new ship comes in to pick them up and sail away with their future greatness.

Right now, it is sink or swim. No if's, and's or but's about it.

Hey is that the ship they have been waiting on over there on the horizon?

Nah, it was just a mirage........

I guess they can wait for the next one then. :clown:

Sink or Swim,....... and keep procrastinating.

Texas Dissident

2004-01-31 21:18 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Salvador]Having southern European and Catholic (cultural) roots, I also interpret the Klan and Nazis as being somewhat an exclusively anglo/nordic organization, something that I would prefer to avoid.[/QUOTE]

Understandable, sure. But folks in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas and Alabama may have a completely different perspective based on their heritage and/or lineage. I think we have to move beyond this finger-pointing and castigation of differing groups and at the very least accept and/or not publicly denounce the better parts of what may work in specific settings or contexts. Diversity is our strength, right? :)

Ragnar

2004-01-31 22:58 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Salvador]No offense golfball, but the Klan and Nazis are painfully embarrassing to the white movement...[/QUOTE]

There's another issue here that's even more painful to bring up. That's the level of scrutiny WN organizations get from Big Brother.

All kidding aside, an Italian or Polish fraternal organization is as likely to be as race conscious as the Klan -- without the high probability of Fed infiltration.

There's a "Nationalist Socialist" organization quite close to here which is (by my rough guess) 99% FBI/ADL populated. In this case I'm certain: One "member" is a childhood pal who went to the FBI via the ONI and I know damn well he ain't a career Fed with WN sympathies.

Or as the old gag went, "You want a really [B]BIG[/B] dossier with your picture on it in Washington? Join the National Alliance!"

golfball

2004-02-01 01:26 | User Profile

The whole idea of finger pointing gets really old, really quick.

Something to consider concerning groups that promote violence.

Any White group that comes together in a pre-arranged meeting area and plots to commit unlawful acts will attract F B I and other Law Enforcement agencies in the aspect of destroying the effectiveness of the group through provocateur types of lawless activity. Always the little stuff that hints at big adventure, (burning a cross, destroying property, making/leaving threats, ...etc...etc) These are the actions of those that agent provocateur.

This is where we, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, are separate from other groups as we work in a professional manner to restore rights to our race and nation that belong to us. Granted, it is not easy. We have inroads to political power and have no intentions of giving them up just so the procrastinators can procrastinate some more trying to figure out a way to be P.C. and address White concerns.

Wake Up, Stupid!

America is so far gone down the crapper that there is NO P.C. way to deal with the trouble and problems facing White America.

ANYONE that stands up for White or White Christian values will be called silly names.

That's all they are is silly damned names. (Racist, Bigot, Hater, Supremacist,....)

If you are afraid of being called names, then you are no good to White America anyway. America has more than it's fair share of fair skinned cowards right now and the sniveling and whining serves no good purpose.

Get a pro-white candidate on the ticket! I want somebody to vote for!

Stop pointing fingers and get with the program!!!

Damn anyone that belittles my efforts to get a pro-white candidate on the ticket. Cowards can eat dung and die. Crybabies can share fellowship with the Cowards and eat the same meal together.

heritagelost

2004-02-03 14:41 | User Profile

It makes the Original Dissent forum look bad to have people advertising the Klan on here.

skemper

2004-02-03 15:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=golfball]It is entertaining to myself to see the despair and lamentations of those that whine and complain because they do not want to join existing organizations.

Well, should a negro or non-white place their foot upon your neck, hey, you deserved it! :smartass:

The Klan has been around longer than most of you. Go ahead and shovel your scorn on organizations that have stood for God, Race and Nation for over a century, because you are digging your own graves.

It sure is easy to be standing on the outside and demeaning groups that stand for the White race. That sure makes you feel better now, don't it?

Just remember the groups that you demean when you are looking at your new lord and master and expressing yourself the way they allow you to. :crybaby:

And take this to your heart, :heart: , I and others like me will not be able to help you out of your predicament. All that will be left is the :crybaby:[/QUOTE]

Golfball,

I do like many things that I have read from you on SF and OD but I have a problem with Christian Identity theology that most of the members of the KKK today seem to embrace. CI states things as that blacks were the men created in the first creation story and that Adam and Eve were a separate creation of the White race, and that Hebrews ( the descendents of the 12 tribes) were white, along with calling Jesus white. And any reference to "beasts" in the Bible refers to blacks. I cannot find any support for any of those statements above. Maybe I should start a separate thread showing why I disagree and there was a portion on another thread a while back where we were discussing the creation stories. White Europeans are descended from Japheth and not Shem, who was the ancestor of the Semitic peoples, including the Hebrews, Arabs, and Babylonians, among many others. Blacks are descendents of Ham, and other descendents of Ham are the Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, and some believe that the Asiatic peoples and American Indians, aboringines, Pacific Islanders, are also from this line. I am stating these briefly and could on and on with Biblical references but maybe this should be taken to the Christian section.

I admired the Klan from the Reconstruction era and they were stronger because they did adhere to the tenets of Christianity and not the CI beliefs that dominate the Klan today. One can be prowhite and Christian ( I personally am Reformed and definitely not dispensationalist) and many of the men here and myself demonstate that here every day. Return to this foundation and you will see your numbers rise and grow stronger.

Texas Dissident

2004-02-04 00:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=heritagelost]It makes the Original Dissent forum look bad to have people advertising the Klan on here.[/QUOTE]

What would you suggest I do, hl? Golfball has consulted with me on numerous occasions about what is or is not permissible here on the board. He has conducted himself professionally, in my opinion, certainly not ever making a mockery of the high level of discourse we've all grown accustomed to on our pages. In a nutshell, that's really all I've ever asked of any member here who represents 'controversial' groups or organizations and I don't see any reason why he should be excluded from a seat at the OD table. His perspective can sharpen our own in some regards and that's what it's all about - learning from others where we can in order to make the whole that much greater than separated parts.

For folks that might be offended by the mere presence of an unashamed Klan member, then all I can say is that OD is moderated based on the posting guidelines I've put up in the FAQ and News forum. If that's not enough to have them feel as though they can join in and put in their two cents, then they're probably a coward and have nothing to offer to begin with. The hour is late and we don't have time to put up with tenderfoots and yellowbellies.

Please note I'm not directing this at you, but rather used your comment to address that greater issue.

golfball

2004-02-04 21:16 | User Profile

[QUOTE=skemper]Golfball,

Yes, we share similar views. (myself and C.I. adherents) We are White Christians and stand for White Christian values. This has been addressed before in the Christian section and I would like to point this out again.

[B]Where did Cain get a wife?[/B]

(King James Version 1611) Genesis 4

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: am I my brother's keeper?
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
[B] And Cain knew his wife[/B]; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Whoops!!! Cain [B]knew his wife[/B]??? Where did she come from?

We know that Adam and Eve where made in the likeness of God, no other creature/beast ever was.

[QUOTE=skemper] ... And any reference to "beasts" in the Bible refers to blacks. I cannot find any support for any of those statements above. [/QUOTE] Well then, since Adam and Eve were the first Whites on the earth, what did Cain marry? It had to be a non-white, that is certain. Any other "people" at this time would be significant and would have been included in the Genesis story. As for the Hebrews, yes, the bible says they are fair. (White)

I believe that Jesus is White, this long before I ever heard of C.I.

[QUOTE=skemper] Maybe I should start a separate thread showing why I disagree and there was a portion on another thread a while back where we were discussing the creation stories.[/QUOTE] I agree, this type of subject is best discussed in the proper forum, but since the race and faith aspect comes into question evrytime the Klan is discussed, it bears with the topic at hand. [QUOTE=skemper] White Europeans are descended from Japheth and not Shem, who was the ancestor of the Semitic peoples, including the Hebrews, Arabs, and Babylonians, among many others. Blacks are descendents of Ham, and other descendents of Ham are the Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, and some believe that the Asiatic peoples and American Indians, aboringines, Pacific Islanders, are also from this line. I am stating these briefly and could on and on with Biblical references but maybe this should be taken to the Christian section.[/QUOTE] I understand your point as I disagree with some of the C.I. beliefs as well. Yet, I find unity with those that want to see a return to White Christian America and we all share concerns that the current direction of America is headlong towards destruction. This is why I suggest that people vote for Pro-White candidates when you can and when you qualify to do so. [QUOTE=skemper] I admired the Klan from the Reconstruction era and they were stronger because they did adhere to the tenets of Christianity and not the CI beliefs that dominate the Klan today. One can be prowhite and Christian ( I personally am Reformed and definitely not dispensationalist) and many of the men here and myself demonstate that here every day. Return to this foundation and you will see your numbers rise and grow stronger.[/QUOTE]

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan realizes that we have more in common with White America than can possibly be stated here. Just joining The Knights by itself will not help our country to make immediate changes. Applying your efforts to arrange for pro-white candidates to run for public office will, no matter what organization you belong too.

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is a [I][B]POLITICAL[/B][/I] organization and have our feet on the threshold. We have not been knocked out yet. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does have the resources to awaken (legally, of course) members of your community to the need for Whites to stand up and be counted at this late hour.

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan has name recognition amongst our White race and people pretty much know that we stand for White values and heritage. It comes down to the mindset and why we continue to exist even after all of this time. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan cares even when other people find it convenient to abandon White tradition and principals.

It is not our fault when someone chooses to embrace the darker aspects of the world. They have made the choice, as they were free to do so.

Members of The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan choose to embrace White Christianity, White culture, White traditions and White America.

Franco

2004-02-04 23:40 | User Profile

heritagelost wrote:

It makes the Original Dissent forum look bad to have people advertising the Klan on here.

You gotta be kidding. White Nationalism = White Nationalism = White Nationalism. It's the same thing [at its core] no matter which White group is engaging in it.

Would you prefer paleoconservative, CofCC-style debating at OD instead of WN-style debating? How is paleo-style ideology alone going to save America? Do you want to keep racial thinking underground where no one can see/hear it? How would that help America? Isn't the real problem that racial thinking is not seen/heard enough these days?

Please reconsider your current attitudes about the Klan.

heritagelost

2004-02-05 14:46 | User Profile

I was involved the Klan for years. In fact, I started the first KKK website in the history of the internet. I know first hand that the media steroetypes are true, and the Klan really is a bunch of losers with no hope.

For example, two of Thom Robbs' recent staff members at his headquarters have been a convicted child molester and a convicted murderer.

How's that for an organization that's going to "save the white race."

[QUOTE=Franco]You gotta be kidding. White Nationalism = White Nationalism = White Nationalism. It's the same thing [at its core] no matter which White group is engaging in it.

Please reconsider your current attitudes about the Klan.

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golfball

2004-02-09 22:29 | User Profile

[QUOTE=heritagelost]I was involved the Klan for years. In fact, I started the first KKK website in the history of the internet. I know first hand that the media steroetypes are true, and the Klan really is a bunch of losers with no hope.[/QUOTE] You are the one with no hope. You are a bitter and dejected, possibly rejected individual that has nothing to do but whine over your loss.

You are not the type to commit, basically a fly by nighter.

I am committed, a life time member.

Aside from your bitterness, why did you leave? And about the media stereotypes, I do say White Power every once in a while.

heritagelost, it appears that you are the loser with not much else to offer than a poor example of how to [B]not[/B] pick up the pieces and move on. [QUOTE=heritagelost] For example, two of Thom Robbs' recent staff members at his headquarters have been a convicted child molester and a convicted murderer.

How's that for an organization that's going to "save the white race."[/QUOTE]

And the molesting idiot left (2001) as soon as his past caught up to him. As for the other, self defense in not murder.

Now, you want to state some more of your observations?

What about the current leadership and office staff? They are doing a pretty good job. There are quite a few improvements at the National Office.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-02-10 00:12 | User Profile

"And the molesting idiot left (2001) as soon as his past caught up to him. As for the other, self defense in not murder."

I'm disinclined to think favorably about the Klan (within the context of an organization with a fairly sensible viewpoint, in any event), but you can't really blame a group for having a pedophile in its prominent ranks; such people do exist and are generally not too open about their proclivities. And who knows? Maybe the guy was a plant. And WNs should be EXTREMELY skeptical of any of us convicted of murder when there is a claim of "self-defense." When a nigger tries to kill a White man, he basically has two choice; premit himself to be murdered or become a convicted murderer when he exercises his right to self-defense. This has been demonstrated many times in the recent past. Such facts should be taken into account before we begin criticizing each other.

Ponce

2004-02-10 00:46 | User Profile

PONCE <-------- IN DEEP TROUBLE,,,,,, well, I am a black Irish who dosen't like Zionist Jews,,,,,,,so, where do I fit in ?....... by the way, a black Irish is a mixure of Irish and Spanish blood, I am white with green eyes.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-02-10 01:27 | User Profile

"PONCE <-------- IN DEEP TROUBLE,,,,,, well, I am a black Irish who dosen't like Zionist Jews,,,,,,,so, where do I fit in ?....... by the way, a black Irish is a mixure of Irish and Spanish blood, I am white with green eyes."

The Black Irish (so named for their characteristically black hair) are indeed White (or Aryan), as are full-blooded Spaniards. I think that's pretty much the universal WN position (and certainly is the position of the National Alliance, as I inquired with them on the subject, what with my mother being Black Irish and all). So many Irish women were taken as wives by the Vikings that there now exists a group known as the Black Danes. In any event, its not at all certain that the Black Irish are mixed with Spaniards. There is substantial evidence (although I have no idea where one would find it, other than googling the appropriate terms, although I do recall reading it in a credible source some years ago) that the Black Irish are the product of Berber migration to Ireland (the Berbers are a Caucasoid Christian minority in Algeria, generally found slightly to the west of Tunisia).

na Gaeil is gile

2004-02-10 12:22 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]The Black Irish (so named for their characteristically black hair) are indeed White (or Aryan), as are full-blooded Spaniards. I think that's pretty much the universal WN position (and certainly is the position of the National Alliance, as I inquired with them on the subject, what with my mother being Black Irish and all). So many Irish women were taken as wives by the Vikings that there now exists a group known as the Black Danes. In any event, its not at all certain that the Black Irish are mixed with Spaniards. There is substantial evidence (although I have no idea where one would find it, other than googling the appropriate terms, although I do recall reading it in a credible source some years ago) that the Black Irish are the product of Berber migration to Ireland (the Berbers are a Caucasoid Christian minority in Algeria, generally found slightly to the west of Tunisia).[/QUOTE]

You jest, a Black Dane is a breed of dog. As for the 'Black Irish', it is not a classification we use. My first encounter with the term was in conversation with an American, and, as far as I can establish, it is an entirely American construct. The one photo I have seen of a person claiming 'Black Irish' status clearly depicted mixed Northern and Southern European heritage, most likely Irish-Italian. Whimsical fairy tales of shipwrecked Spanish sailors aside, that is not a phenotype native to Ireland.

There is interesting speculation on a [URL=http://www.skadi.us/forum/showthread.php?t=6204]Berber[/URL] connection, but it remains just that: speculation.

W.R.I.T.O.S

2004-02-16 15:18 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Ragnar]There's roughly two types that become WN, artists who see what's coming clearly but have the sense to lay low, and criminals/misfits who don't care anymore.

Logically, misfits define WN because they are about the only ones visible.

Ygg's suggestion might be worth a shot; I've heard nothing else as reasonable or practical for several years now.[/QUOTE]

This is true in America, but not in most of Europe. Sweden would be the only European country that fully follows the America model.

W.R.I.T.O.S

2004-02-16 15:35 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Franco]You gotta be kidding. White Nationalism = White Nationalism = White Nationalism. It's the same thing [at its core] no matter which White group is engaging in it.

Please reconsider your current attitudes about the Klan.

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You need to study how nationalist political parties in Europe have gained success. They did it in part by carefully cultivating an image that was serious and non-threatening to the people who's support they needed(ie normal whites, obviously nonwhites still felt threatened). Freakish weirdos like the Klan, Nazis and other bizarre subcultures and cults have been avoided at all cost. It has been proven that doing this will greatly increase the number of whites who are willing to support nationalism. Why are so many Americans unwilling to accept this?

heritagelost

2004-02-18 14:49 | User Profile

I beleive black Irish refers to Irishmen with more Paleo-Atlantic features (from the Picts and Brits).

The Welsh, in general, look different from the English. They tend to have darker hair and are more tan.

I have never heard anything about "black Irish" being a mixture of Irish and Spanish and/or Algerian.

During the Viking Age, Ireland was colonized by the both Norwegian and Danish Vikings who actually fought battles against each other on Irish soil. Many Irishmen became Viking.

The Irish called the Norwegians "White Vikings" and the Danes "Black Vikings" based on their style of dress. They may have even used the term "Black Danes" it's been a while since I've studied this.

Egon_DeBurke

2004-03-03 09:02 | User Profile

The of WN ? WhRisen and where ? Not in my life time.

Goswin_van_Eijck

2004-03-06 23:20 | User Profile

[QUOTE=heritagelost]I beleive black Irish refers to Irishmen with more Paleo-Atlantic features (from the Picts and Brits).

The Welsh, in general, look different from the English. They tend to have darker hair and are more tan.

I have never heard anything about "black Irish" being a mixture of Irish and Spanish and/or Algerian.

During the Viking Age, Ireland was colonized by the both Norwegian and Danish Vikings who actually fought battles against each other on Irish soil. Many Irishmen became Viking.

The Irish called the Norwegians "White Vikings" and the Danes "Black Vikings" based on their style of dress. They may have even used the term "Black Danes" it's been a while since I've studied this.[/QUOTE]

Dark, but only a negligible 3% of the Irish have black hair, 30% are dark chestnut brown and another 35% make up for medium chestnut hair. These results and adjoining high incidence of brown hair with a reddish glint and true rufosity with a compliment of pale skin, would hint on the presence of a northwestern cromagnoid element akin to the Scandinavian Tydal race, but strange enough the combination with grey and light brown eyes is virtually absent, besides the Irish UP's noses are though snubbed, but the shape differs, the nasal root is less flattened, the nasal bridge shows more prowess, the tip while thickened and slightly upturned looks up to a straighter bridge, while the Tydals are more markedly concave; the Irish UP seemingly is defined by progressive characteristics, which tends to a Nordic definition.

Either because snub-noses are dominant in respect to high-rooted, not-dinaroid noses and allowing for amalganation with Easternelements, or retaining more primitive features, Tydals distinguish themselves by a more brutish, protomorphic countenance.

Nevertheless, Nordic, Atlanto-mediterrenean and Alpine types are always showing up in their vicinity, while being pushed away to more remote, less hospitable areas, while the old kernels are filled up by more advanced races, who shouldn't been interpreted in a migrationist framework but by in situ evolution. In mesolithic Scandinavia was inhabitated by Atlanto-med and Cromagnoids- but bear in mind that AM and Nordic skulls are inseperatable, though AM's noses are often bigger and the head height more elevated than among Nordics- long before the alledged Cardial cultures with their basically AM main type moved due north. Due to certain selective pressures and acclimatisation working upon the dolichocephalic long-narrow-faced types in Scandinavia, they acquired a higher degree of blondism, while in the oceanic parts of Western Europe, theold chestnut range of hair prevailed with some leeway to archaic rufosity, in North and Northeast Europe the depigmentation process accelerated and obliterated the red factor, whereafter we see emerge ash-blond hair strains, also among reduced UP derivative types.

Goswin_van_Eijck

2004-03-06 23:49 | User Profile

Mediterrenean could by a twist of evolution and selective pressure have developed from Nordoids(not proper Nordics), the switch to agriculture subsistence culture resulted to a gradual ecological manipulation of the environment, leading to global warming and a less natural sheltering from the sun, while the whithering of the ozone layer intensified the UV-radiation; with caution, I may assume the first Danubian wave through Europe is linked to this deteriotation of the biotope, still mainly fair in pigmentation, while the other "med." branches swapped acutely from the ancestral light-skinned condition to ever more brunet. Cavalli-Sforza in reverse, so-to-say.

Ever seen a Chimpansee? Most of them have pinky white faces as well the Japanese macaques who originates from a more equatorial region.

Albinism and Melasma are both conditions leading into discoloration and over-pigmentation and linked to some genetic disorder, not natural and neither in evolutionary sense very advantigious...Besides, barring the ignorant lazy sunbathing human walrusses on the beaches, even the darkest Nilotic shuns the scorching tropical sun and seeks shelter under a foliage-littered tree; an adaptation is never really perfect and the causes can be multiple and random...

[url]http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...0risk%20factors[/url]

[url]http://www.bioskincare.com/melasma.htm[/url]

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3307891.stm[/url]

[QUOTE=Goswin_van_Eijck]Dark, but only a negligible 3% of the Irish have black hair, 30% are dark chestnut brown and another 35% make up for medium chestnut hair. These results and adjoining high incidence of brown hair with a reddish glint and true rufosity with a compliment of pale skin, would hint on the presence of a northwestern cromagnoid element akin to the Scandinavian Tydal race, but strange enough the combination with grey and light brown eyes is virtually absent, besides the Irish UP's noses are though snubbed, but the shape differs, the nasal root is less flattened, the nasal bridge shows more prowess, the tip while thickened and slightly upturned looks up to a straighter bridge, while the Tydals are more markedly concave; the Irish UP seemingly is defined by progressive characteristics, which tends to a Nordic definition.

teamster

2004-03-20 12:58 | User Profile

thanks to everyone that has posted in here. It was and is very informative and eye opening. Lot of things to think about. Best to you all.