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Walter Yannis [OP]

2003-12-20 12:04 | User Profile

This appeared in the 20 December 2003 issue of the [URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/20/opinion/20KRIS.html?th]New York Times[/URL] .

Read between the lines a little bit. I think it's pretty clear who's nationalism he's talking about, and it sure ain't his.

I didn't note a bit of criticism of the raging nationalism of Ariel Sharon - the very Jewish Supremacy that really is destabilizing the world and creating enormous security risks. Indeed, virulent Jewish nationalism lead to the creation of the State of Israel and the oppression of the Palestinians which in turn resulted in Islamic reaction of which 9-11 is an integral part.

I agree with Kristoff, however, that Chinese nationalism is a major threat to us, but check out his idiotic solution: talk nice to the enraged mobs and their Machiavellian leaders, and they're sure to see reason. He can't be serious - nobody's that stupid.

No, folks, the only reasonable response to rising Chinese nationalism and racial triumphalism is to catch the same bug ourselves. But Kristoff knows that - he's all for Jewish nationalism, it's just that he doesn't want the rest of us to feel the same way about ourselves.

Walter

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Is China a threat to the rest of the world?

Perhaps, for rising powers have always spelled trouble for their neighbors, even in the case of democracies like Athens (the Peloponnesian War) and the U.S. (we managed to invade Canada and Mexico in the 1800's.

Yet what worries me about China isn't its upgrade of its nuclear arsenal and its military acquisitions to project power beyond its borders. China's military doctrine is cautious, and President Hu Jintao is leading China toward an increasingly constructive role in international affairs.

No, what troubles me, as one who loves China and is rooting for it to succeed, is the growing nationalism that the government has cultivated among young people.

Americans saw a hint of that when enraged mobs attacked our embassy in Beijing after the U.S. bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999, and when Chinese students reacted to the horror of 9/11 by filling Internet chat rooms with delighted cheers of shuang — roughly equivalent to "Wow, so cool!"

But it's in attitudes toward the Japanese that we see a leading indicator of the instability that blind nationalism can cause. This fall, three Japanese students in the central Chinese city of Xian performed a bawdy skit, wearing red bras over T-shirts and throwing the stuffing at their audience — and word spread that the Riben guizi, Japanese devils, were mocking China. So a mob of 1,000 people rampaged through town, looking for any Japanese to attack.

In the same vein, fury had erupted around the country a few weeks earlier because of reports that Japanese businessmen had engaged in an orgy with Chinese prostitutes in the southern city of Zhuhai. The Chinese rage was hypocritical in a country where hundreds of thousands of prostitutes blatantly ply their wares — in Zhengzhou last year, an army of prostitutes practically battered down my hotel room door as I cowered inside.

Even the Chinese recounting of history has become hysterical. Take the Rape of Nanjing in 1937, which was so brutal that there's no need to exaggerate it. One appalled witness in the thick of the killing, John Rabe, put the death toll at 50,000 to 60,000. Another, Miner Searle Bates, estimated that 12,000 civilians and 28,000 soldiers had been killed. The Chinese delegate to the League of Nations at the time put the civilian toll at 20,000. A Communist Chinese newspaper of the period put it at 42,000.

Yet China proclaims, based on accounts that stand little scrutiny, that 300,000 or more were killed. Such hyperbole abuses history as much as the denial by Japanese rightists that there was any Rape of Nanjing at all. It nurtures nationalism by defining China as a victim state, the world's punching bag, that must be more aggressive in defending its interests.

What does this add up to? The rising nationalism warps Chinese decision-making and risks conflicts with Japan over, for example, the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands. It also forces the government to be tough in international disputes — particularly in the case of Taiwan, where a miscalculation could conceivably lead to a war with the U.S.

"Some Chinese military leaders are saying that Japan is secretly behind Taiwan's moves toward a referendum and independence," warned a well-connected Chinese who knows that this is nonsense. "They say it is all a Japanese plot to steal Taiwan from China."

The reasons for rising Chinese nationalism are complex and include a justified anger at Japan's reluctance to apologize for war atrocities. But one factor is the way the Chinese government has been pushing nationalist buttons in an effort to create a new national glue to hold the country together as ideology dissolves. By constantly excoriating the Japanese nationalists of the 1930's, they are emulating them.

One of the lessons of 1930's Japan and Germany is that ferocious nationalism is a real global security risk, and it's a matter that the U.S. and other countries should respectfully raise with President Hu. To their credit, some farsighted Chinese intellectuals are calling for changing China's "victim mentality," recognizing that it is one of the greatest obstacles to China's maturing into the global leader that it should be.

Meanwhile, we in the West are bashing China, unfairly and demagogically, over its exports. But we're missing the risk in China's rise. The menace isn't in its trade policies, but in its nationalist psychology.

Sertorius

2003-12-20 13:44 | User Profile

"Let China sleep! When she awakes, she will shake the world." -Napolean.

Walter,

I'm incline to agree with one of the writers for VDARE. Red China is practicing a form of asiatic national socialism.

Meanwhile, we in the West are bashing China, unfairly and demagogically, over its exports.

He's wrong. This is a matter of whether we wish to be a manufacturing power or a weak nation and it isn't China alone that we have this problem with. I guess Kristoff thinks that the only permissable form of Nationalism is Zionism.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-20 14:22 | User Profile

Just to underscore how completely delusional Kristoff is (and to illustrate that this utter inability to see themselves as others see them is typical of Inner Party thinking), I slightly re-write three of his paragraphs above:

[QUOTE]Even the Jewish recounting of history has become hysterical. Take the Holocaust 1939 - 1945, which was so brutal that there's no need to exaggerate it. One appalled witness in the thick of the killing, a Polish resistance leader, put the death toll at 500,000 to 600,000. Another, Miner Searle Bates, estimated that 120,000 civilians had been killed. The American delegate to the Nuremberg Trials put the civilian toll at 800,000. A Communist Jewish newspaper of the period put it at 420,000.

Yet Israel proclaims, based on accounts that stand little scrutiny, that 6,000,000 or more were killed. Such hyperbole abuses history as much as the denial by revisionist rightists that there was any Holocaust at all. It nurtures nationalism by defining Israel as a victim state, the world's punching bag, that must be more aggressive in defending its interests.

What does this add up to? The rising nationalism warps Israeli decision-making and risks conflicts with the rest of the world over, for example, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It also forces the government to be tough in international disputes — particularly in the case of Lebanon, where a miscalculation could conceivably lead to a war with the Syria[/QUOTE]

I'm sure that others could render a more accurate summary of the facts and figures (the Holocaust never interested me much, but I've seen enough to assume that there's a lot of urban legend in what I was taught), but you get the picture.

I should add that I don't doubt for a minute that Kristoff believes what he wrote above.

It never ceases to amaze me how Jews can combine great intelligence, wisdom and foresight with utterly delusional thinking.

Amazing. Just amazing.

Walter

Sertorius

2003-12-20 14:39 | User Profile

Walter,

That's a good re-write. Maybe you should send that to Kristoff. He might learn something.

I would add this as well to the mixture about the Jews' capacity for self delusion. When it comes to short term planning they can be pretty smart. However, when it comes to long term planning they are a complete disaster. Just in the case of America alone they (and us, unfortunately) are reaping the results of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act. It's funny in a sick way that when they pushed the provisions about allowing more third worders in that this also included Muslims. Now, it is some of them who are raising the most hell about Muslim immigrants. Locating Israel where they did in defiance of demographics is also a case to short term thinking.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-20 15:39 | User Profile

Speaking of China, [URL=http://home.ddc.net/ygg/inv/weekly.htm]Yggdrasil[/URL] discusses an interesting article on the [URL=http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?category=Guest+Commentary&content_idx=28862]Prudent Bear webpage[/URL] that discusses an influential white paper by a Chinese government planner.

Here's Ygg's article:

Profiting from the NASDAQ mania. For the week of 12/15/2003

As regular readers know, I try to focus on what exactly will signal the start of the massive downward adjustment in American living standards that will result from our current debt binge.

I needle Prechter for his rather simplistic assumption that this grand supercycle will unfold just like the deflationary supercycle downwave of the early thirties. But I must confess that declining M3 certainly is consistent with his deflation prediction.

Yet under the principle of alternation this grand supercycle should be a flat, since the last one in 1620 was a sharp. This tips us off to expect the interaction between the imaginary currencies and economic reality to be more complex than it was back when the world was on the gold standard.

Indeed, right now everything seems to be going up - stocks, bonds, gold, and residential real estate - but this is exactly what we would expect at the earliest stages of a hyper inflation - not a deflation. Theoretically, quality spreads in the credit market should go to zero in a hyper-infation, since default is practically impossible, and that is what we are now seeing - narrowing spreads, even as the long bond drifts higher - strange omens and unnatural events.

Longer term one should contemplate an outstanding article entitled The era of fictitious capitalism, a review of an article written by a Chinese government bureacrat who suggests that in this era when capital transactions themselves boost the value of capital and increase the demand for money, the United States will resort to war if exporters refuse to recycle their dollars.

The Chinese author of the article under review believes this makes war inevitable and that it will be a war between the U.S. and Europe - with the European race destroying itself. A fascinating conclusion, and one which is certainly consistent with the instinctive urges of the inner party, even if not yet consciously articulated as their policy goal, and therefore worthy of some credit. Even the Chinese know that nothing ever happens in the U.S. unless it is consistent with the will and interests of the inner party.

Make no mistake about it. Our dollar reserve currency enables us to extract goods from other countries in exchange for nothing.

This system is a deliberate creation, and will certainly be defended against collapse. The first line of defense is Greenspan keeping the bubbles alive. His actions which appear irrational to normal people are perfectly rational once one understands Greenspan's true objectives. While the extent of U.S. defense of this imperial system once it comes under threat is somewhat uncertain, it is completely clear that those now in control of U.S. foreign policy are very quick to resort to violence, and have repeatedly bombed defenseless nations into submission for reasons which are utterly frivolous in relation to U.S. interests. Lord knows what they will do when the debt based system of conferring benefits on the upper middle class and all the disgruntled racial minorities is threatened and, in turn, threatens to rip the U.S. apart.

We have M3 falling, and private foreign investors backing away from the dollar as the foreign central banks step in to prop it up. It can't last.

The very fact that Asians are beginning to discuss what Steve Roach calls "the endgame" with such brutal frankness tells us that the end is drawing near.

I am afraid that panic may strike like a bolt out of the blue, with no warning other than those we already have.

As I have said before, 1968 to 1980 was wave one up in gold. The last 20 years was wave 2 down. We are now just beginning wave 3 up.

End of rant.

Here's the Prudent Bear article:

Guest Commentary, by Addison Wiggin

The era of ficticious capitalism December 11, 2003 Addison Wiggin is the editorial director of the The Daily Reckoning, a a free daily e-mail offering commentary on the days stock news. He is also co-author of the Wall Street Journal best-seller: "Financial Reckoning Day: Surviving The Soft Depression of The 21st Century

Perspective.

While doing radio interviews this fall regarding themes in our book, the question invariably arises: “France? Nice place to visit, but why the heck do you live there?”

The short answer is, of course, the wine is cheap and the woman are...um, elegant. The long answer is, we gain perspective. It’s the long answer, because it requires an explanation. One could gain perspective from just about anywhere, of course...but why not do it in a place where the wine is cheap and the women pleasing to look at?

An English reader, who also lives in France, recently passed on an interesting article written by a Chinese bureaucrat, published on a non-profit website hosted in Italy, sponsored by the government of Singapore. The aim of the site is to increase amicable relations between Asia and Europe in a U.S.-centric world. The purpose of the article: a strategic recommendation on how China ought to position itself while the U.S. and Europe - as the major players in the two-bloc international system the author predicts will eventually emerge - gear up for eventual war.

If we were writing our daily missives from our offices in Baltimore, would such a site, and such an article, be interesting? Probably. But we’d likely judge the origin of the site through Murdoch’s lens at Fox News, like so many TV-addled minds do, and dismiss it out of hand. Away from influence, living as foreigners, in a country where they don’t pronounce words as they are spelled, we take to the extraordinary like gnats to a sugar bowl. We are addicted to the taste and go there often to get a buzz going. But we are under no illusions that it has nutritional value.

What could possibly interest us about a Chinese bureaucrat’s white paper on impending global war? First of all, his conclusion: “In the last century,” writes Wang Jian, “American people were pioneers of system and technology innovation. However, the interests of a few American financial monopolies now lead this country to war. This is such a tragedy for the American people.

“Clouds of war are gathering. Right now, the most important things to do for China are:

Remain neutral between two military groups while insisting on an anti-war attitude. Stock up in strategic reserves Get ready for a short supply of oil Strengthen armament power Speed up economic integration with Japan, Hong Kong, Korea and Taiwan...” It’s a rather unsettling idea. China as the neutral power in a war between the United States and a united Europe. How did Wang get there? That’s the subject of the second part of the article, which we find intriguing...and even more unnerving. Wang’s view is disturbingly similar to our own understanding of the way the global economy works.

“War is the extension of politics and politics is the extension of economic interests,” Wang asserts. “America’s wars abroad have always had a clear goal; however, such goals were never made obvious to the public. We need to see through the surface and reach the essence of the matters. In other words, we need to figure out what the fundamental economic interests of America are. Missing this point, we would be misled by American government’s shows and feints.”

Wang’s argument in a nutshell: By the mid 1970s, the U.S., the U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Japan and other major capitalist countries had completed the industrialization process now underway in China. In 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window, the Bretton Woods system collapsed, and the dollar - the last major currency to be tethered to gold - came unstuck. Economic growth as measured by GDP was no longer restricted by the growth of material goods production. Toss in a few financial innovations, like derivatives, and the “fictitious” economy assumed the central role in the global monetary system.

“Money transactions related to material goods production,” writes Wang, “counted 80% of the total [global] transactions until 1970. However, only 5 years after the collapse of the Bretton Woods the ratio turned upside down – only 20% of money transactions were related material goods production and circulation. The ratio dropped to .7% in 1997.”

As we note in our book, since Greenspan assumed the central role at the most powerful central bank in the world, he has expanded the money supply more than all other Fed chairmen combined. From 1985-2000, production of material goods in the U.S. has increased only 50%, while the money supply has grown by a factor of 3. Money has been growing more than six times as fast as the rate of goods production. The results? Wang’s research reveals that in 1997 - before the top blew off in the U.S. stock market, mind you - global “money” transactions totaled $600 trillion. Goods production was a mere 1% of that.

“People seem to take it for granted that financial values can be created endlessly out of nowhere and pile up to the moon,” our friend Robert Prechter writes in his book, Conquer the Crash. “Turn the direction around and mention that financial values can disappear in into nowhere and they insist that it isn’t possible. ‘The money has to go somewhere...It just moves from stocks to bonds to money funds...it never goes away...For every buyer, there is a seller, so the money just changes hands.’ That is true of money, just as it was all the way up, but it’s not true of values, which changed all the way up.”

In the fictitious economy, the values for paper assets are only derived from the perceptions of the buyer and seller. A man may believe he is worth a million dollars, because he holds stocks or bonds generally agreed in the market to hold that value. When he presents his net worth to a lender, a mortgage banker for example, and wishes to use the financial assets as collateral for a loan, his million dollars is now miraculously worth two. If the market drops, the lender, now nervous about his own assets, calls in the note...and the borrower once thought to be worth two million discovers he is broke.

“The dynamics of value expansion and contraction explain why a bear market can bankrupt millions of people,” Prechter explains. “When the market turns down, [value expansion] goes into reverse. Only a very few owners of a collapsing financial asset trade it for money at 90 percent of peak value. Some others may get out at 80 percent, 50 percent or 30 percent of peak value. In each case, sellers are simply transforming the remaining future value losses to someone else.”

As we saw in the 2000-2002 bear market, in such situations, most investors act as if they were deer caught in the headlights of a speeding truck at night. They do nothing. And get stuck holding financial assets at lower - or worse, non-existent - values. Anyone suffering glances at their pension statements over the past few years knows their prior “value” was a figment of their imagination.

Back to Wang: “In the era of fictitious capitalism, a fictitious capital transaction itself can increase the ‘book value’ of monetary capital; therefore monetary capital no longer has to go through material goods production before it returns to more monetary capital. Capitalists no longer need to do the 'painful' thing - material goods production.”

Real-life owners of stocks, bonds, foreign currency and real estate have increasingly taken advantage of historically low interest rates and applied for mortgages backed by the value of these financial assets. Especially since the rally began 8 months ago, they then turn around and trade the new capital on the markets. “During this process,” writes Wang, “the demand of money no longer comes from the expansion of material goods production, instead it comes from the inflation of capital price. The process repeats itself.”

Derivatives instruments, themselves a form of fictitious capital, help investors bet on the direction of capital prices. And central banks, unfettered by the tedious foundation set by the gold standard, can print as much money as is required by the demands of the fictitious economy.

But Wang sees a darker side to the equation. “Fictitious capital is no more than a piece of paper, or an electric signal in a computer disk. Theoretically, such capital cannot feed anyone no matter how much its value increases in the marketplace. So why is it so enthusiastically pursued by the major capitalist countries?”

The reason, at least until recently, is that the "major capitalist countries" have been using their fictitious capital to finance consumption of “other countries'” material goods. Thus far, the most major of the capitalist countries, the U.S., has been able to profit from the system because since the establishment of the Bretton Woods system, and increasingly since its demise, the world has balanced its accounts in dollars.

“Until now,” writes Wang, “U.S. dollars [have counted] for 60-70% in settlement transactions and currency reserves. However, before the ‘fictitious capital’ era, more exactly, before the fictitious economy began inflating insanely in the 1990s, America could not possibly capture surplus products from other countries on such a large scale simply by taking advantage of the dollar’s special status in the world...Lured by the concept of the ‘new economy’, international capital flew into the American securities market and purchased American capital, thus resulting in the great performance of U.S. dollar and abnormal exuberance in the American security market.”

And here we arrive at the crux of Wang’s argument that a war is brewing. “While [fictitious capital] has been bringing to America economic prosperity and hegemonic power over money,” he suggests, “it has its own inborn weakness. In order to sustain such prosperity and hegemonic power, America has to keep unilateral inflow of international capital to the American market...If America loses its hegemonic power over money, its domestic consumption level will plunge 30-40%. Such an outcome would be devastating for the U.S. economy. It could be more harmful to the economy than the Great Depression of 1929 to 1933.”

Japan’s example suggests, as your editors have oft reminded you, that a collapse in asset values in a fictitious economy can adversely affect the real economy for a long time.

In the era of fictitious capital, Wang surmises, America must keep its hegemonic power over money in order to keep feeding the enormous yaw in its consumerist belly. Hegemonic power over money requires that international capital keep flowing into the market from all participating economies. Should the financial market collapse, the economy would sink into depression.

America’s reigning financial monopolies, he believes, (whoever they may be), would not stand for it.

Wang writes that he was disturbed to draw these conclusions. And as noted above, he recommends that the Chinese government plan accordingly.

He could not be any more disturbed than we are. We’ve grown to like the perspective we’ve developed while enjoying carafes at the Paradis and watching passersby pass by. Trouble is, if Wang’s conclusions are correct, then the currency most suited to challenge the hegemony of the U.S. dollar has just this week closed at a historic high of $1.20.

Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of David W. Tice & Associates, LLC. The opinions are subject to change, are not guaranteed and should not be considered recommendations to buy or sell any security.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-21 08:48 | User Profile

I mulled over Wang's thesis that the most likely war will be between the US and Europe, and I think he's wrong.

His analysis is very interesting, but I think that the winds of war - caused by the American Imperium's need to control the fiat money of the "fictitious economy" - blow to his own native China and not to Europe. China is rapidly becoming the great "real economy" country, with gleaming new factories springing up all over that vast land, staffed by hundreds of millions of hard working coolies. China buys vast amount of American T-bills - in amounts that curiously resemble our trade deficit with them.

Europe, in contrast, faces many of our own problems, although they didn't allow their industry to be destroyed as we did. They have, however, even worse demographic problems, and aging population like Japan, and immigrants from Muslim lands (say what you will about the Mexicans, they aren't Muslims, at least not yet!)

No, China is the new threat. China's regional ambitions to become Hegemon put it on a collision course with its neighbors and trading partners, including both the US and Russia.

The really interesting thing is that Wang didn't even mention that possibility.

Walter

Ruffin

2003-12-21 16:00 | User Profile

China is just a warehouse of coolie labor, and has been under the thumb of international finance since 1949. Yeah, I know it's "communist", or was until recently (how convenient, almost as if they knew in 1972 that the USSR would be ditched in 1991. Humor alert.). If the Jews in the US really considered it an enemy (Korea, Vietnam) be sure that the fighting wouldn't have stopped at "parallels". "Hands off" wasn't a policy based on fear of China, but on its being already a part of the family.

China is very useful as a fearmonger, but isn't a threat. Europe otoh will break free of American Jewry's control as soon as the US is too weak or too spread out to prevent it from becoming a real and independent competitor.

IOW, the US is the threat, to white Americans and to Europe. Europe is a potential threat to Jewry, as it has always been. China is a resource and a tool, but not a real threat to white Americans and Europe.

Just my opinion.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-21 16:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Ruffin]China is just a warehouse of coolie labor, and has been under the thumb of international finance since 1949. Yeah, I know it's "communist", or was until recently (how convenient, almost as if they knew in 1972 that the USSR would be ditched in 1991. Humor alert.). If the Jews in the US really considered it an enemy (Korea, Vietnam) be sure that the fighting wouldn't have stopped at "parallels". "Hands off" wasn't a policy based on fear of China, but on its being already a part of the family.

China is very useful as a fearmonger, but isn't a threat. Europe otoh will break free of American Jewry's control as soon as the US is too weak or too spread out to prevent it from becoming a real and independent competitor.

IOW, the US is the threat, to white Americans and to Europe. Europe is a potential threat to Jewry, as it has always been. China is a resource and a tool, but not a real threat to white Americans and Europe.

Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Your opinion seems to be basically what this Wang fellow is saying. The Chinese are hip to the Inner Party, of course. Hell, the Japanese are obsessed about the whole thing.

Which is why I think that it's all going back to them. The Chinese have no illusions about the way the world works. They'll move against the IP once they feel they can.

Where can I get a copy of that white paper? I wonder if Wang indicates the true identity of the "American elites?"

Walter

Ruffin

2003-12-21 16:23 | User Profile

Where I would disagree is on the idea that the Chinese "leadership" is wise to the IP. I think it's more a case of their being even more easily controlled and manipulated by the IP than are American leaders.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-21 17:55 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Ruffin]Where I would disagree is on the idea that the Chinese "leadership" is wise to the IP. I think it's more a case of their being even more easily controlled and manipulated by the IP than are American leaders.[/QUOTE]

Of course, I have no way of knowing for sure, but I do know that the Japanese are wise to them and so are the Overseas Chinese.

Hey, it's all pretty obvious when you get right down to it. How does the world look to a Chinese bureacrat at the foreign ministry in Peking? Surely they must notice that many (if not most) of America's largest corporations have Jewish CEO's and CFO's and seats on the board. Or that Jews control the media? How could they fail to take stock of Holocaust museums springing up in places that have no connection whatever with the events of 60 years ago? Or that Israel is shitty little country that nevertheless gets far more press coverage than China with its 1/5 of the world's population?

Nah, the Chinese leardership aren't stupid, and I think we can safely assume that even if they didn't figure it out on their own that their Japanese and Overseas Chinese trading partners explained the whole thing to them long ago. In fact, I don't doubt for a second that they have a much clearer picture of Jewish dominance than you or I have - after all, they surely have a lot more information.

theaustrian

2003-12-21 21:11 | User Profile

Everything that leftist and neocon Jews support, aids China, apart from (possibly) neocon interest in military spending. (And insofar as this give us delusions of grandeur and hampers our economy, that helps China as well.)

What is the end result of core Jewish vision for America? A population composed almost entirely of non-white, non-East-Asian members, with very little motivating them to support the nation-state or its government. Hence, a population interested in getting it's cut from Daddy government, little pleasurably, and little else, barring some sort of religious mania or another. (Prospects for an anti-Chinese religious mania are next to nil; anti-white-Europe--well, we already have one.)

This is perfect for the Chinese. To a limited extent, it meets some of the interests of the non-Chinese South Asians, the Africans, the Pakis, the non-white South Americans, etc. Pretty much everyone besides whites, Koreans, Japaneses, and Hindu Indians, is going to feel some interest in seeing whites die out (whether it actually would be beneficial for the cultural engine of the world to go is rather a different question, but in the case of the Chinese, the case becomes particularly dicey).

Ruffin

2003-12-21 22:17 | User Profile

Walter, you may be right, but my point was that I think China's leaders are stooges of the IP's NWO, and while they may not be retards (I'll bet even George Bush suspects he works for the tribe :cowboy: ) like some of our own they are at least as subserviant and anti-nationalist and therefore non-threatening to the US (except as a distraction or for propagandistic purposes). They (the leadership) work for the same corporation that American leaders do, probably at a lower wage.

It's all speculative, but this is what seems most realistic to me.

madrussian

2003-12-21 22:52 | User Profile

The Chinese being more resilient to the zhid machinations doesn't necessarily mean they are hip to the zhidsters. And if they have effective defenses against the zhids, why would that be of high importance to them? The Chinks just happen to possess qualities making them very competitive in the age of the global insanity and white guilt trips, but that doesn't make them supermen, or extremely bright. It's the sick white societies that've become increasingly succeptable to the zhid machinations and demographic warfare, and the globalization that makes work ants in China appear as winning.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-22 14:57 | User Profile

All: as I said the Japanese are obsessed with the Tribe.

Check out this book:

Jews in the Japanese Mind: The History and Uses of a Cultural Stereotype by David G. Goodman, Masanori Miyazawa (Contributor)

[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0029124824/qid=1072104510//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-5713460-2343109?v=glance&s=books&n=507846]on Amazon[/URL]

Hell, the whole world is hip to them, with the exception of us.

Which is bizarre, when you think about it.

Anyway, let's shed these notions that the Chinese Foreign Ministry isn't hip to what's going on. It's obvious to the whole world - we're the only chumps wilfully blind enough to deny the evidence of our own eyes.

As an aside, somebody here was urging us all to see "They Live" directed by John Carpenter (The Thing, Halloween, Big Trouble in Little China). I rented it on a lark, and I have to say that it's really SHOCKING allegory. There's a scene where the protagonists beam themselves down to an underground city underlying Los Angeles, where they follow the alien language directions (written in what looked to me to be Hebrew letters) to a formal dinner where the alien businessman is extoling the human elites for their foresight and congratulating them on all the money they made. Really astonishing that such a thing ever saw the light of day.

[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AOX0F/qid=1072105025//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl74/104-5713460-2343109?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846]They Live on Amazon[/URL]

Walter

Ruffin

2003-12-22 15:38 | User Profile

Based on their history up to the present time, I suspect that the Japanese leadership is very hip to the tribe, hence the "obsession" that any sane people would have. Since 1945 they haven't had a choice though. Based on these same things, they are much more nationalistically and ethnically sane.

The Chinese leadership otoh, based on their history up to now, seemingly demonstrates that, hip or not, they don't care who the money power in the world is. In this they're a lot like the US leadership. They've always been glad to serve.

I say this because I get the impression that you believe that the Chinese leadership is keeping an eye on Jewish machinations on nationalistic grounds, or because they have some desire to elevate their ethnicity to dominance, rather than being Washington (DC)-like flunkies.

Walter Yannis

2003-12-22 16:14 | User Profile

[QUOTE]I say this because I get the impression that you believe that the Chinese leadership is keeping an eye on Jewish machinations on nationalistic grounds, or because they have some desire to elevate their ethnicity to dominance, rather than being Washington (DC)-like flunkies[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I mean.

The Chinese are racist/nationalists of the first order. They also consider themselves both genetically and culturally superior to all other nations on Earth, and further believe that China should be Hegemon - suffering the rest of us barbarians to live and even prosper but with the understanding that tribute is paid to the Hegemon.

It's their ancient political paradigm.

They're waiting for their chance to make us and the rest of the world kow-tow, and so naturally they're keeping their eyes on the Tribe, who they understand full well is the capstone in our pyramid.

Walter

travis

2003-12-23 20:57 | User Profile

There is very little evidence to reveal the nature of Jew vs Asian power struggles. I've read that the Japs have a high awareness of the clever tribe but they seem to yield to them quite readily. Just look at how they let the Jews use the advertizing resources of their automobile companies as demographic warfare vehicles. The Chinese aren't as smart as the Japs. There was mention on this site a while back that a 1957 article in McCalls stated that Mao was of Jewish descent. If this is true, it's very consistent with Jewish-marxist infiltrations/manipulations.

Consider the Rabbinovich quote: "We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born..... "

They are not very worried about not being able to control the Chinese. After all, they have been very instrumental in shifting manufacturing from USA to China.

The only real threat to Jews is Aryans and Arabs. This is the focus of their efforts. When the timing is right, the Chinese will be used as a weapon against us in the same manner as we were used as a weapon against Germany

Ruffin

2003-12-23 21:42 | User Profile

That's exactly what I mean.

The Chinese are racist/nationalists of the first order. They also consider themselves both genetically and culturally superior to all other nations on Earth, and further believe that China should be Hegemon - suffering the rest of us barbarians to live and even prosper but with the understanding that tribute is paid to the Hegemon.

It's their ancient political paradigm.

They're waiting for their chance to make us and the rest of the world kow-tow, and so naturally they're keeping their eyes on the Tribe, who they understand full well is the capstone in our pyramid.

Based on what, their numbers? Their behaviour or their history? It sounds to me like paranoid freepology. I think the only thing preventing the Amerijew regime from utilizing this foundationless fear right wingers seem to have of China is its status as our toy and entertainment supplier, our pacifier. But they're probably glad that those who don't entirely swallow their swill about Islamofascists and Nazis have some foreign devil to distract them from doins here in the Evil Empire.

Too much time listening to sensationalists carrying on about "the sleeping giant" and "the red dragon", I think.