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Thread ID: 11539 | Posts: 10 | Started: 2003-12-19
2003-12-19 10:41 | User Profile
[I]This is a big one. Though there is opposition to the proposal within the Department of Education Chirac has the backing of a comfortable majority of the French populace and their representatives. If it goes through as planned wide-scale civil (and one hopes not so civil) disobedience by Muslims is a possibility. This is understood and the Republic means to deal with it. Since Muslims make up 10% of the French population--though we are told that only a small fraction is opposed to the proposed law--the potential for France to experience tangible benefits of diversity is not inconsiderable.
For detractors of multiculturalism but supporters of diversity it is an opportunity to show the world the merit of their political ideas--a state example to call their own. US, Canada, Britain, and Australia do not qualify as they have embraced multiculturalism wholeheartedly. Given the reality of changing demographics, it follows that implicit in their decision is the desire to do away with the dominant white culture. True to their tradition the French mean to do it differently. Make no mistake, the same demographics bring racial suicide just the same, the difference being that before the last true Frenchman departs for oblivion he will presumably benefit from being surrounded by aliens who speak and act French while his English-speaking counterpart, depending on the locale, will be forced to endure an image straight out of Rhodesia, Calcutta, Singapore, or Jerusalem, with all their attendant modes of human behaviour.
The comparison between France and Little Britain will be especially interesting, not to mention scientifically revealing for we have an opportunity to see the multiculturalism variable isolated. The two countries have roughly the same number of citizens, the same proportion of aliens, and neither would appear to suffer from the North American guilt complex of having “stolen” their territory. The degeneracy that is multiculturalism may yet be quantified.
I will end with the hope that it is not impossible that, owing to the superior viral progression of one method, the practitioners of one or both systems may rethink the “diversity is strength” religion, prompting a sizable portion of the populace to extricate themselves from the syphilis.[/I]
[URL=http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Dec/12182003/nation_w/121040.asp]Story[/URL]
[SIZE=5]Chirac backs ban on wearing of religious symbols in school [/SIZE]
By Elaine Sciolino
The New York Times
PARIS -- Ignoring opposition from Muslim leaders within France and beyond, President Jacques Chirac called Wednesday for a new law banning the wearing of head scarves for Muslim girls, large crosses for Christians and skullcaps for Jewish boys in public schools.
In a speech at the Elysée Palace broadcast live on television, Chirac recalled centuries of history that he said defined France as a guarantor of individual liberty, and said the secular identity of the French state was at stake.
If France succumbs to the demands of its religious communities, Chirac said: "It would sacrifice its heritage. It would compromise its future. It would lose its soul."
Calling secularism a "pillar of our constitution," he said he would urge Parliament to pass the law in time for the school year that begins in September 2004.
"In all conscience, I believe that the wearing of dress or symbols that conspicuously show religious affiliation should be banned in schools," Chirac told an audience of 400 guests, including members of the Cabinet and Parliament, representatives of the major political parties and leaders of religious, human rights and labor groups.
He added: [B]"The Islamic veil -- whatever name we give it -- the yarmulke and a cross that is of plainly excessive dimensions: These have no place inside public schools.[/B] State schools will remain secular. For that a law is necessary."
Chirac was responding to an official report presented to him last week on the place of religion in French society and how best to preserve the French Republican ideal separating church and state.
Among other proposals from the the expert commission Chirac appointed in July was a recommendation that schools add religious holidays such as Yom Kippur and Eid al-Kebir for Muslims, a proposal Chirac rejected in his speech. More holidays would burden working parents, he said.
But Chirac embraced the commission's recommendation to pass a law banning "conspicuous" religious symbols but allowing "discreet" ones. As the French press has been pointing out, there is no indication of who will make that determination, or how.
Chirac also called for the development of the teaching of religious principles in schools; a "code of secularism" for civil servants and public sector workers to use as a guide in the workplace; and the creation of a watchdog agency to monitor violations.
Although Chirac spoke about the general need to prevent religion from encroaching into the public sphere, it is the increasing demands of France's growing Muslim population in general and the wearing of the Islamic veil in particular that infused the issue with new urgency.
Many schools quietly allow girls to keep their heads covered. But [B]there is a conviction, both within the government and among a large swath of society, that the veil is as much a defiant political challenge as it is a religious display.[/B]
An opinion poll by the CSA Institute, published Wednesday in the newspaper Le Parisien, showed that 69 percent of the French support a law banning the veil in public schools, compared with 55 percent in October. The ban is supported across the political spectrum.
In his speech, Chirac acknowledged the alienation of France's Muslim youth and the need to do more to bring them into the mainstream. "I share the feeling of incomprehension, of disarray and sometimes even of revolt by those young French people -- immigrants by origin -- whose job applications go into the garbage because of the sound of their names, and who are too often faced with discrimination when they want to find housing or even to get into a place of recreation," he said.
"All the children of France, whatever their background, whatever their origin, whatever their belief, are daughters and sons of the republic," he said.
[I]Note here that much of the wailing against this miniscule measure by the French to protect their identity hails from the education sector and their various unions. One hopes that the French do not waste time by wondering what strata of society is in need of special attention should they ever become more daring and engage is some form of culling.[/I]
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2003-12-19 13:48 | User Profile
Sisyfos, thanks for posting this important story concerning [I]la belle France[/I].
I've been following this story on French TV and I'm delighted to see many ordinary White French support the ban on the [I]voile[/I] not only in public schools but in the workplace as well. French 2 definitely slants the reports in favor of the ban, and that I find promising for a White nation to do in 2003.
Chirac is most likely picking up on issues that were brought to the forefront by Jean-Marie Le Pen during the election of 2002 and especially the Muslim question. Many French support the National Front and Chirac has made it obvious that he wants to run again for another term in a few more years, so he's playing his cards well by introducing laws that curb Islamic fundamentalism within France.
I'm not neccessarily against Muslims and Islam, but they don't belong in Western countries, at least not in large numbers. I certainly sympathize with them when their countries are invaded, destroyed and occupied by rogue nations like the US and Israel, but multiculturalism is not their cup of tea. I hail France, as usual, along with Russia for possibly jockeying their politics to retain their White heritage. It's more than the US and England are doing.
2003-12-20 01:05 | User Profile
Interesting [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=1122045&Search=true&Forum=All_Forums&Words=chirac&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1week&Main=1122045#Post1122045]Liberty Post[/url] Article Also
PARIS (AP) - French President Jacques chirac said Wednesday he will ask parliament to pass a law banning Islamic head scarves and other religious insignia in public schools, a dramatic and potentially explosive move aimed at shoring up the nation's secular tradition.
chirac said he also wanted to open the way for businesses to impose the same ban. Muslim groups have denounced the proposal as discriminatory, saying it will stigmitize France's Muslim population, the largest in Western Europe.
"Secularism is one of the great successes of the Republic," chirac said in an address to the nation. "It is a crucial element of social peace and national cohesion. We cannot let it weaken."
chirac said he would push for a law to be enacted in time for the school year that begins next autumn. Islamic head scarves, Jewish skullcaps and large crucifixes would fall under the ban.
Companies should also be free to ban the wearing of head scarves and other religious signs for reasons of safety or customer relations, chirac said.
Adoption of a law seemed likely, as lawmakers from both sides of the political spectrum have voiced support for a law on secularism, insisting France must retain its separation of religion and state.
As expected, chirac rejected a commission recommendation to establish the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur and the Muslim Eid el-Kabir feast as school holidays.
2003-12-20 01:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sisyfos][I]For detractors of multiculturalism but supporters of diversity it is an opportunity to show the world the merit of their political ideas--a state example to call their own.
I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to when you talk about "supporters of diversity"
US, Canada, Britain, and Australia do not qualify as they have embraced multiculturalism wholeheartedly. Given the reality of changing demographics, it follows that implicit in their decision is the desire to do away with the dominant white culture. True to their tradition the French mean to do it differently. ......
How do they plan to do it differently?
Chirac also called for the development of the teaching of religious principles in schools; a "code of secularism" for civil servants and public sector workers to use as a guide in the workplace; and the creation of a watchdog agency to monitor violations.
It sounds more, like in the French tradition of something covertly totalitarian. An official "watchdog" agency to monitor violations in the "code of secularism". Sounds like something more from Red China than what we'd expect in a supposed "western democratic" country.
I think all this means really is France is starting to face the inevitable challenge of life as a de facto Muslim country. Fundamentalist Islam is widely viewed as a subversive, authoritarian force incompatible with Democracy, which can only be countered with a comparative authoritarianism. Iraq has Hussein, Syria has Assad, and now France has its secularism laws and watchdog agencies.
"All the children of France, whatever their background, whatever their origin, whatever their belief, are daughters and sons of the republic," he said.
Now how can they really be equal sons of the republic, at least a genuinely free one, if they don't have freedom of conscience and the right to practice their beliefs?
Chirac is exercising doubletalk here. In reality, it looks to me like France is sliding down the slippery slope toward authoritarianism, one way or the other. Which it started down long ago, and now seems to have no real way of stopping.
That's the reality of cultural marxism/multiculturalism.
2003-12-20 07:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE] I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to when you talk about "supporters of diversity"[/QUOTE]
Correction. Insert the qualifier ââ¬Ågeneticââ¬Â prior to ââ¬Ådiversity.ââ¬Â The people that the phrase is meant to encompass is anyone hostile, but not indifferent, to Le Penââ¬â¢s ORIGINAL policy pertaining to Arab immigrants.
Also, I may be wrong, and I may even be guilty of inventing definitions, but I believe that ââ¬Ådiversityââ¬Â predates ââ¬Åmulticulturalism,ââ¬Â if not as a brand name then at least in practice. I see ââ¬Ådiversityââ¬Â as flirtation with the belief and ritual of encouraging incompatible hominids to conglomerate, presumably so as to benefit from all the diverse ideas. ââ¬ÅMulticulturalismââ¬Â is the same but more pronounced; it is ââ¬Ådiversityââ¬Â aided by governmental decree and enforced by the stateââ¬â¢s considerable tentacles. Since it is a question of degree there may not be a perfect distinction but if you decide that your ââ¬Åfreedom of associationââ¬Â is wanting, even if only in the workplace, you have probably entered the realm of multiculturalism.
[QUOTE][QUOTE]US, Canada, Britain, and Australia do not qualify as they have embraced multiculturalism wholeheartedly. Given the reality of changing demographics, it follows that implicit in their decision is the desire to do away with the dominant white culture. True to their tradition the French mean to do it differently. ...... [/QUOTE] Okieredust: How do they plan to do it differently?[/QUOTE]
This I fancied was obvious sarcasm. I think that OD members are unanimous (or close to) in acknowledging the importance of race and its role in fostering culture. Supplant a race with another and in time the culture will not be recognizable, no matter the laws.
Our kinsmen in France can pass all the laws they wish but so long as they stay the course with immigration they, along with their precious culture, are doomed. The choice is one of arranging seating for six million souls on outward-bound ships and halting all non-Aryan immigration forthwith, or doing nothing, save passing meaningless bills, while the nation commits suicide.
[QUOTE]Chirac is exercising doubletalk here.[/QUOTE]
It gets better. The proposed legislation necessarily talks of banning other blatant religious symbols and gives the examples of a yarmulke and a ââ¬Ålargeââ¬Â or ââ¬Åovertly noticeableââ¬Â cross. Thus the effect will be, as one veteran French reporter explicitly stated while interviewed on a North American French-language radio station, to get rid of a veil, but not a cross that one may comfortably wear around the neck. Neat.
We are probably witnessing the first, tentative steps taken to keep a state from going a cinder AND openly acknowledged as such--the ââ¬Åstrength of diversityââ¬Â being at last prominently on display. :smartass:
2003-12-23 05:13 | User Profile
good move by Chirac, timely very. the anti-God move is global, why fight it. Let the governments whether local or nation wide be anti-God. It should happen, it has, and its Prophesy. The mass influx of millions of Arabs living in France, they are like our niggers. A burden to be endured, but their niggers are better than ours,. at least they hate the lie that is Israel and can stand forth against the NWO and Freemason conspracy wo foment war for no reason, something our USA has never been able to do since 1917. Mr Pike thjat Satanic demon is waiting for his Third World War.. one between Islam and Judaism, and having already made Communism the force of the world, it will happen. Communism and Capitalism, two extremes of Black Majic and White Majic, orchestrated deaths of over 200 million souls. Whats a couple billion more. Mankind never embraced true God, and is already condemned just like YOU ...unless you believe fully and LIVE to SERVE the holy spirit. I bear no alliegance to this country, nor would I seek to defend it. Patriotism is a Sin. The real United States of America DIED back in 1861, and has never been again. Look at what Wilson said about the Masons and the schemes, look at what Truman did. He murdered 450,000 innocent Japanese civilians after the war was over to TEST an EXPERIMENT. FDR let the Communists evil take over and slaghter 40 million and economically enslave a generation in Germany, not to mention their parents who were fire-bombed mercilessly em masse in Dresden as a show of total Freemason POWER. If you think Osama bin Laden did 9-11, you are severely lied to, a victim of Propaganda and a total fool child of this master plan. EVERY nation, country, civilization experienced full satiated happiness in material, lustful, worldly acts before it was destryed, destryed utterly, without mercy, and Americans will KNOW what it is like to have NO RIGHTS. Because there is NO REASON why there has been any attacks by anyone since 9-11-01 but through the GRACE of the HOLY SPIRIT whom dwelleth in every Soul .. even the one who presses buttons remotely to kill millions.
2003-12-23 07:02 | User Profile
Wonder why the Wiesenthalers haven't squealed more shrilly over the schnucklecap ban?
2003-12-23 07:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Wonder why the Wiesenthalers haven't squealed more shrilly over the schnucklecap ban?[/QUOTE]I think its because they know the putative exemption for "non-conspicious" symbols like crosses is a piece of shit. Once they pass this law I suspect crosses will last about 5 minutes in French public schools, even "non-conspicious" ones. (We have the well established record of US public school administratos on this). Then it will be just like the old jewish paradise of the Soviet Union. We all know the Weisenthallers are willing to put up with minor suffering, especially of religious jews, as long as the goys bear the brunt of things
Do a numerical comparison of how many French kids wear skullcaps versus crosses. I think they'd conclude the risks to the Christian goy are a lot more than the risks to the small number of observent jews in France.
2003-12-23 07:55 | User Profile
You may be right.
The unspoken subtext to the Tribal query "but is it good for the Jews?" is "but is it worse for the goyim?"...
2003-12-23 08:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]"but is it worse for the goyim?"...[/QUOTE]
:lol: Yup, I'll have to remember that one.