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Thread ID: 11504 | Posts: 173 | Started: 2003-12-17
2003-12-17 04:06 | User Profile
For generations, people in America have heard of the Ku Klux Klan and many Americans have family ancestors that were once part of the "Invisible Empire". As the Ku Klux Klan has progressed and evolved, there has occurred a noticable difference in the way some Klans operate. The older style type of Klan is the Ku Klux Klan that is alluded to on Jewish programs as seen on the Jewish produced "History Channel".
You don't see the modern political side of the Klan, known as The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is a constitutionally protected political Christian based organization that has modernized and streamlined the mission of The Klan.
The older Klan is based upon secrecy and ceremony. In itself it does not promote open political activism. The older Klan is a noble effort that still survives today. There are many off shoots or branches of this older style Klan and this becomes confusing for those that are not savvy to the propaganda dished out over the television and other media daily. A lot of the older style type of Klans also have websites and usually offer contact information for a local area or region.
One of the most troubling aspects of these older style type of Klans is their lack of stability. People today are looking for stability and continuity and shy away from the "here today, gone tomorrow" type of operation.
When stability and professionalism are desired traits, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is a professional Christian political organization that appeals to the level headed, pro-white, pro-Christian political activists.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan has some of the best materials, people, resources, and experience offered by any White, Christian political organization. The membership of most of The Knights are real professionals that can help new members with knowledge and experience that is second to none.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan also has a Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Youth Corp. as well. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan has something for all who want to become involved with White Christian Revival and the political effort for our race.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is NOT one of those older style types of Klan, but a White, political effort that has a public and government standing and purpose. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan wants White Christian candidates in public office. We realize that America needs White Christian cadidates in political office and on the polls. White, Christian candidates need to be there for Whites to have something to vote for.
Here is the website for The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan: [url]www.kkk.com/index1.htm[/url]
Look for yourself and see if you like it.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not give out members names without the express permission of the members themselves. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is not an open membership. Requirements have to be met and observed.
Check it out!
2003-12-17 07:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]Look for yourself and see if you like it.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not give out members names without the express permission of the members themselves. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is not an open membership. Requirements have to be met and observed.
Check it out![/QUOTE]Robb's organization.
For what its worth, Triskelion thought Robb's group was about the best organization in America he could find (putting into context his low opinion of American organizations in general).
Robb said that he wanted an organization that "decent middle class Americans would not be ashamed to join".
2003-12-17 21:08 | User Profile
Yes Sir! The mission of today's Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is political and I realize that there are folks that will not like The Knights. I joined because it is a professional organization and with the ability to be politically active in the open, the information we want our racial kin to know about is easier to dispense and circulate.
The message of The Knights is political power! The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan aims for concerned Whites and Christians. It is more important that they become awakened to the facts than it is for people to join. Membership is nice and has it's privileges, but the important fact is that Whites must vote White and for White issues.
I am glad that The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is here and are actively working for White Christian interests.
2003-12-17 22:50 | User Profile
Doesn't the name have too much baggage to be effective.
How about, Center for Equality and Justice?
2003-12-18 03:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Doesn't the name have too much baggage to be effective.
How about, Center for Equality and Justice?[/QUOTE]
Not at all. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is not for everybody. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is here for those that are looking to become politically active and share Christian fellowship while doing so.
It is nice that there is a political organization that is professional in purpose and intent. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not want anyone to join because they think we drive around at night looking for negroes to lynch, because we do not participate in illegal behavior. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not stand on the street corner yelling "nigger" at every negro that passes by. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not wear our robes in public at rallies or other political events.
And, I like the name and what it stands for. White Christian Revival!
2004-01-08 14:22 | User Profile
The only group that benefits from the Klan is the ADL, SPLC, and all the others proffesional hate groups. If the Klan diddn't exist they would have to start one of there own too stay in bussiness.
2004-01-08 18:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]The only group that benefits from the Klan is the ADL, SPLC, and all the others proffesional hate groups. If the Klan diddn't exist they would have to start one of there own too stay in bussiness.[/QUOTE] I have to agree. No offense to anyone who has Klan connections, but working under the name "Ku Klux Klan" does FAR more harm than good. That is the simple truth. The same goes for anyone who's involved in any organization that makes public references to Hitler or Nazism in any way, shape, or form. Those who do these things generally mean well, but they are inadvertently working FOR the Jews and multiculturalists.
Probably the most important job of pro-white activists is to bring awaken other whites and bring them into the fold. In order to do that, it's necessary to get those other whites to listen to us. However, if we want them to shut their eyes and ears to our message -- perhaps permanently -- then the best way to accomplish that is to associate pro-white thinking with Nazism or the Klan. The latter are on a level with child molesters in the minds of most Americans today, including white Americans.
Once enough whites have been awakened and the goal of a white nation has been achieved, then it will be okay to discuss the Klan and Hitler, wear shirts with swastikas on them, etc. Until that time, there is nothing worse we could do. The best thing we can do is stick to the issues: e.g., Israeli control of US foreign policy, tyrannical domestic laws and taxes, and immigration issues.
That's just my opinion, although I feel strongly about it. Hopefully I didn't offend anyone.
2004-01-08 21:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]The only group that benefits from the Klan is the ADL, SPLC, and all the others proffesional hate groups. If the Klan diddn't exist they would have to start one of there own too stay in bussiness.[/QUOTE]
That is an highly inaccurate statement. Even the organization you advertise [Council of Concerned Citizens] in your signature has been labled a "Hate" organization by the anti-white/anti-christian groups you allude to in your post.
All Pro-White/Pro-Christian organizations are labled as "Hate" groups. Who are you trying to kid heritagelost, yourself? Us?
When you publicly support organizations like the Council of Concerned Citizens, you provide the despots at the A.D.L. and S.P.L.C. with work just as you say we do.
2004-01-08 21:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I have to agree. No offense to anyone who has Klan connections, but working under the name "Ku Klux Klan" does FAR more harm than good. That is the simple truth. The same goes for anyone who's involved in any organization that makes public references to Hitler or Nazism in any way, shape, or form. Those who do these things generally mean well, but they are inadvertently working FOR the Jews and multiculturalists.[/QUOTE] I am not offended, but I find your comments highly dubious. Most Whites know that the Ku Klux Klan stands for Whites and a Christian way of life. [QUOTE=Angler] Probably the most important job of pro-white activists is to bring awaken other whites and bring them into the fold. In order to do that, it's necessary to get those other whites to listen to us. However, if we want them to shut their eyes and ears to our message -- perhaps permanently -- then the best way to accomplish that is to associate pro-white thinking with Nazism or the Klan. The latter are on a level with child molesters in the minds of most Americans today, including white Americans.[/QUOTE] The T.V. does an excellent job demonizing White organizations.
EVERYONE of them.
But to state that the Klan is on the same level as child molesters is dubious. I do not think child molesters command the same respect as the Klan does. I have looked into the eyes of some child molesters and they curl up inside and die. Maybe the feel the presence of a real Christian, maybe it is something else. [QUOTE=Angler] Once enough whites have been awakened and the goal of a white nation has been achieved, then it will be okay to discuss the Klan and Hitler, wear shirts with swastikas on them, etc. Until that time, there is nothing worse we could do. The best thing we can do is stick to the issues: e.g., Israeli control of US foreign policy, tyrannical domestic laws and taxes, and immigration issues.
That's just my opinion, although I feel strongly about it. Hopefully I didn't offend anyone.[/QUOTE]
"Once enough whites have been awakened and the goal of a white nation has been achieved,...." You better think of the preliminary concerns first which includes a known protectionist itinerary. That being known, you must be strong to win adherents. However, with that being said, the real problem lies with our inability to get our side of the message out to our racial kin.
Names are not the issue here, Pro-White/Pro-Christian media representation is. It is also fair to acknowledge that Whites are looking for something, but they will come to the realization that inactivity now (due to procrastination) will cost them a lifetime of freedom and liberty as well as their children's future.
Decrying White organizations efforts for restoring and improving Whites living conditions serves no one but the Jews, race traitors, non-whites, anti-Christians and sexual deviants that condemn White efforts as well.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is a professional political organization that stands for White Christian values and concerns. Granted, we stand for a limited audience, but we structure our message for a select group. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is not for everybody, just as the National Alliance is not for everybody. It comes to bear that professional White organizations will work together, albeit separately, focused upon our children and their future and their liberty. It would be almost presumptuous to think we would be so successful that we would obtain that liberty and future we seek within the next few years,.... or would it?
2004-01-09 01:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]That is an highly inaccurate statement. Even the organization you advertise [Council of Concerned Citizens] in your signature has been labled a "Hate" organization by the anti-white/anti-christian groups you allude to in your post.
All Pro-White/Pro-Christian organizations are labled as "Hate" groups. Who are you trying to kid heritagelost, yourself? Us?
When you publicly support organizations like the Council of Concerned Citizens, you provide the despots at the A.D.L. and S.P.L.C. with work just as you say we do.[/QUOTE]I feel the debate over using the KKK name is a little like the debate over using Nazi regalia. Its different strokes for different folks. Every organization has its quiet supporters, its hard core fanatics, and a few extremists who get out of hand and who opponents try to use to impeach the whole organization. I'm not a national socialist, but if I was, I would think it rather harsh and unreasonable to make a blanket ban on regalia. For its supports, the 3rd Reich after all epitimizes their true affiliation, and you can't really hide that unless you actually want to change your organization, who you really are and what you're all about.
I'd have to talk to MacDonald, but I think the whole question is one of crypsis. A certain amount of crypsis is necessary, but too much and you end up betraying your base. Frankfurt school type organizations know this well.
In areas where the KKK has an established base and it is safe to be discretely known as a supporter if not member, use of the KKK name might have some value. In other areas I think Robb actually prefers to go by the Knights Party. Whatever. I think Golfball is actually right. We could go by the name of Little Orphan Annie's childrens association and it wouldn't make any difference except in the very short run, once they see us talking about what we are talking about.
It worth mentioning that as far as the more provocative part of the Klan, the cross burnings and hood wearing and association with individuals advocating violence, Robb has completely broken with that. Even the title "Grand Wizard" (he goes by the bland "National Director" or something like that I think) The only thing left really is the Klan name. Robb apparently thinks that has some historical memory among sme of his supporters, and that to his opponents it won't make an difference anyway. Up to a point it would seem to me he's right, although it probably limits him to being a deep south part a little more.
2004-01-09 15:38 | User Profile
Thom Robb tries to put forth a good image, but even his Klan group attracts a bunch of real losers. Robb will tell you this himself.
Anyone that joins a Klan or Neo-Nazi group is pretty much doing the work of the ADL, SPLC, and others for them.
If all Klan and Neo-Nazis died out, the proffesional hate groups would have to start some of their own because they'd lose tens of millions in revenue.
2004-01-09 16:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]Thom Robb tries to put forth a good image, but even his Klan group attracts a bunch of real losers. Robb will tell you this himself.
Anyone that joins a Klan or Neo-Nazi group is pretty much doing the work of the ADL, SPLC, and others for them.
If all Klan and Neo-Nazis died out, the proffesional hate groups would have to start some of their own because they'd lose tens of millions in revenue.[/QUOTE]You could probably say the same thing about forums like this.
2004-01-09 16:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]Thom Robb tries to put forth a good image, but even his Klan group attracts a bunch of real losers. Robb will tell you this himself.
Anyone that joins a Klan or Neo-Nazi group is pretty much doing the work of the ADL, SPLC, and others for them.
If all Klan and Neo-Nazis died out, the proffesional hate groups would have to start some of their own because they'd lose tens of millions in revenue.[/QUOTE]
I hate this argument. It does what it claims to prevent (validates the Jews' claims), extends their reach and further inhibits our ability to organize. As the most accepted policy it has gotten us where we are today, to the verge of criminalization of political speech. It seems to me that maintaining the freedom to organize requires defying those inhibitors, in as colorful a manner as possible.
Forcing "hatewatch" organizations to expand and make themselves visible as thought police should be an important goal.
The fear that staged criminal acts will marginalize us is defeated by the same reasoning that says the thought police will do this whether we organize in this manner or not. Organizations that are bland and invisible to the public are more easily demonized and convicted in the public mind than are large numbers of public demonstrators who take their case to that public and whose behaviour, as seen by people, is at odds with the claims made by the thought police.
You don't get more freedom by using it less often, or by whispering to people as if your ideas are dirty.
Just my opinion.
2004-01-09 16:52 | User Profile
Do you want to get people on your side? Gather some members of the hate groups "Council of Conservative Citizens", "League of the South", "Americans for Immigration Reform", etc., dress some of them up in KKK outfits, some others in Nazi uniforms, some in Revolutionary War garb, etc., and protest the Global Democratic Revolution in front of the White House, or surround Disney World on Fag Celebration Day, or anything else that people don't want but are forced by their own inaction to accept.
Of course, a lot depends on how serious members of these closet-bound type organizations are.
2004-01-09 17:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost] .............
If all Klan and Neo-Nazis died out, the proffesional hate groups would have to start some of their own because they'd lose tens of millions in revenue.[/QUOTE]
Would you be so candid as to suggest that the Klan should lay down and cease to exist? How are you going to deal with the onslaught/attack on White culture should that happen?
And if you fail, what is your back-up plan?
Some points to consider,.....
2004-01-11 20:15 | User Profile
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about at all. First of all the Council is only one group that has complete control over how it represents itself.
No Klan group has this at all.
Second of all. I've known Thom Robb for years and the difference between the caliber of people that the Council attracts and his organization attracts are night and day. Not to mention the Council has far more card carrying members than all "klan" groups put together.
Thom Robb has personally told me himself that he has a hard time attracting decent people.
[QUOTE=golfball]That is an highly inaccurate statement. Even the organization you advertise [Council of Concerned Citizens] in your signature has been labled a "Hate" organization by the anti-white/anti-christian groups you allude to in your post.
All Pro-White/Pro-Christian organizations are labled as "Hate" groups. Who are you trying to kid heritagelost, yourself? Us?
When you publicly support organizations like the Council of Concerned Citizens, you provide the despots at the A.D.L. and S.P.L.C. with work just as you say we do.[/QUOTE]
2004-01-11 20:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]Would you be so candid as to suggest that the Klan should lay down and cease to exist? How are you going to deal with the onslaught/attack on White culture should that happen?
And if you fail, what is your back-up plan?
Some points to consider,.....[/QUOTE]
It would be much easier to deal with the onslaught/attack on white culture without the Klan around. So yes, the Klan should cease to exist.
2004-01-12 04:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about at all.[/QUOTE] I dont, huh? Are you sure? [QUOTE=heritagelost] First of all the Council is only one group that has complete control over how it represents itself.[/QUOTE] From the A.D.L. website: [url]http://www.adl.org/mwd/ccc.asp?&&MSHiC=1252&L=10&W=Council+COUNCILMAN+COUNCILS+of+CITIZEN+Citizens+CITIZENSHIP+COUNCILOR+Conservative+CONSERVATIVES+CONSERVATORS+CITIZENSA+CONSERVATION+&Pre=%3CFONT+STYLE%3D%22color%3A+%23000000%3B+background%2Dcolor%3A+%23FFFF00%22%3E&Post=%3C%2FFONT%3E[/url]
Introduction by Mark Pitcavage
What follows is a chronology of events and reporting of a peculiar scandal surrounding Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and Georgia Congressman Robert "Bob" Barr over the nature and extent of connections they may have had with a racist group known as the Council of Conservative Citizens. This group, sporting about 15,000 members, mostly in the South, is essentially a descendant of the white Citizensââ¬â¢ Councils that formerly opposed integration in the South. Headed by Gordon Lee Baum, a St. Louis lawyer, its issues involve the protection of "European-American" heritage against the hordes of minorities. ..........
From the S.P.L.C. website: [url]www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=66[/url] ................
Virginia Abernethy, for instance, is cited favorably as a "political scientist and population researcher" without any mention of her position with the Council of Conservative Citizens, a racist hate group that recently referred to blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity" on its Web site.
Hmmm..... Yes, I can see how this control is exercised. Why this is just more fodder for the mill.
[QUOTE=heritagelost] No Klan group has this at all. [/QUOTE] Apparently, no one does. What's your point heritagelost, just arguing for the sake of arguing? [QUOTE=heritagelost] Second of all. I've known Thom Robb for years and the difference between the caliber of people that the Council attracts and his organization attracts are night and day.[/QUOTE] Not according to Hatewatch, ADL, SPLC,....... Who are you trying to fool with your nonsense? Yourself? Us? [QUOTE=heritagelost] Not to mention the Council has far more card carrying members than all "klan" groups put together.
Thom Robb has personally told me himself that he has a hard time attracting decent people.[/QUOTE]
Well, it bears to mind that anyone that stands for the White race or White values will be labled a Hater, Racist, Bigot or some other name. If membership in a luke warm, milk-toast organization appeals to you, then by all means participate in that fashion.
If you find solace in your nonsensical attacks on the Klan, you show everyone here the classic example of your application of intelligence why the pot calls the kettle black.
Real smart,....
2004-01-12 04:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]It would be much easier to deal with the onslaught/attack on white culture without the Klan around. So yes, the Klan should cease to exist.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, right....... :blow:
2004-01-12 04:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]Yeah, right....... :blow:[/QUOTE]As a practical point of course the Klan certainly isn't going to cease to exist, if for no other reason than by the gov't own admission many Klan groups have more gov't agents than regular members.
So it's really a moot point.
2004-01-12 19:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]As a practical point of course the Klan certainly isn't going to cease to exist, if for no other reason than by the gov't own admission many Klan groups have more gov't agents than regular members.
So it's really a moot point.[/QUOTE]
You are correct, Okiereddust. It may just as easily benefit other White oriented organizations to not publicly condemn the efforts of those that stand strong against the onslaught of colored culture, including The Knights.
It would stand to reason we all share very similar goals to restore and improve our race's standing here at home. This will not be accomplished by petty back biting or public condemnation. The gentleman's way to address our differences is to agree to disagree, then focus on the real problems aligned against our race and children.
2004-01-12 19:42 | User Profile
You don't seem to understand what I mean by controlling one's organizational image.
Anyone can legally make a movie about the Klan and say it is depicting the real Klan. Anyone can go legally on tv and say they are a klansman who represents the real Klan.
This can not legally be done with the Council. If Jerry Spring had actors on his show claiming to be Council members, we could sue him. This can not be done with the Klan.
Furthermore, the Council has very involved relationships with elected officials and people in the media. In fact, the Council leadership has worked directly with AP reporters to break stories in which the Council received massive positive publicity. No Klan group could ever hope to have the kind of relationship we have with the media.
The fact that the ADL and SPLC have erroneous information on their websites has repeatedly worked to our advantage. Whenever they attack the council in the media we can very easily disprove their information and threaten newspapers with lawsuits to get retractions and in some causes guest columns from our own people. In order to avoid a lawsuit the USA Today once ran a CofCC op-ed column a while back which resulted in hundreds of new members.
[QUOTE=golfball]I dont, huh? Are you sure?
Real smart,....[/QUOTE]
2004-01-12 21:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost] .......... The fact that the ADL and SPLC have erroneous information on their websites has repeatedly worked to our advantage. .......... [/QUOTE] The fact is that the C.C.C is still depicted as a racist hate group, even today.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the C.C.C. share a few things in common, however, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the C.C.C. are two separate, different organizations.
And, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is gaining membership as well. :D
So our organizations are making positive strides. :thumbsup:
2004-01-13 18:45 | User Profile
The KKK is a pathetic joke that is over 100 years past its sell by date. Until white nationalists in America get over dressing up in costumes and worshiping Hitler, no progress is going to be made. Image matters. It's been proven throughout Europe and its time for Americans to get on board with the new program. I'm not even going to pretend to respect people who are too stupid to realize this.
However, The klan could serve a useful purpose in the future if a serious white political party is formed in the US. Many defectives would be drawn off into the klan where the the serious nationalists wouldn't be tainted by them. A more crudely "extremist" group of misfits would also draw a disproportionate share of the resources of the state and "antifascists," leaving less energy to oppose the serious nationalists. This is the role that the NF plays for the BNP in Britain.
2004-01-13 19:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=W.R.I.T.O.S] However, The klan could serve a useful purpose in the future if a serious white political party is formed in the US. Many defectives would be drawn off into the klan where the the serious nationalists wouldn't be tainted by them. A more crudely "extremist" group of misfits would also draw a disproportionate share of the resources of the state and "antifascists," leaving less energy to oppose the serious nationalists. This is the role that the NF plays for the BNP in Britain.[/QUOTE]
To pay Bush back for his proposed amnesty plan, the KKK should start a re-elect Bush campaign. Hold rallies in support of Bush. Make signs saying things like: "George W. Bush - the WHITE Choice", "KKK for Bush", etc. I'm sure the Bush people would love knowing they had Klan support. Just think of how many additional votes that would get them!
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2004-01-14 00:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=W.R.I.T.O.S]The KKK is a pathetic joke that is over 100 years past its sell by date.
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It is true that the Ku Klux Klan is not for everybody, yet the focus is recognizing those that DO stand for White, Christian principals and at least offering some due respect.
If one wants to whine and snivel because someone else is standing for God, Race and Nation, then that is all they have to offer.
2004-01-14 00:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]To pay Bush back for his proposed amnesty plan, the KKK should start a re-elect Bush campaign. Hold rallies in support of Bush. Make signs saying things like: "George W. Bush - the WHITE Choice", "KKK for Bush", etc. I'm sure the Bush people would love knowing they had Klan support. Just think of how many additional votes that would get them!
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No, as far as I know, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not support Bush.
2004-01-14 06:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=W.R.I.T.O.S]The KKK is a pathetic joke that is over 100 years past its sell by date. Until white nationalists in America get over dressing up in costumes and worshiping Hitler, no progress is going to be made. Image matters. It's been proven throughout Europe and its time for Americans to get on board with the new program. I'm not even going to pretend to respect people who are too stupid to realize this.
I think you should reread this thread. I noted that the Knights Party is one of the more progressive Klans. They don't dress up, burn crosses, etc. You need to address this.
The problem I see with your and Heritage Lost's position that "image matters" is that the neo's say the same thing about things about America's past like Confederate Symbols, etc - they have a bad reputation and should be abandoned as unnecessary. "Image matters" quite quickly turns into the Andre Agassi slogan, "Image is Everything".
Undoubtedly the Klan movement had many excesses. But lets face it, any activist, mass movement of White Nationalists is going to have these kinds of problems to some extent. WN's doesn't serve wine-sipping country clubbers with effete manners.
If we change our symbolism every time there's a slight setback things will never go anywhere. Not everyone has something invested in the Klan, but many do. They remember it sa the group that drove out the carpet-baggers and scalawags and restored some limited measure of self gov't to the South, which it enjoyed for the large part of a century, after all.
However, The klan could serve a useful purpose in the future if a serious white political party is formed in the US. Many defectives would be drawn off into the klan where the the serious nationalists wouldn't be tainted by them. A more crudely "extremist" group of misfits would also draw a disproportionate share of the resources of the state and "antifascists," leaving less energy to oppose the serious nationalists. This is the role that the NF plays for the BNP in Britain.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. I didn't realize the NF and BNP were so different.
2004-01-14 10:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]No, as far as I know, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does not support Bush.[/QUOTE]
That's my point. The Klan should support whichever politician they don't like. In today's political environment, a Klan endorsement would hurt them.
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2004-01-14 17:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]That's my point. The Klan should support whichever politician they don't like. In today's political environment, a Klan endorsement would hurt them.
-[/QUOTE] Actually, and this has happened recently, some White cadidates seek a Klan endorsement to verify what they stand for. White traditions and Christian values. Here in Arkansas, I can give a recent example of such a candidate that was running for U.S. Representative of a district here.
Last election actually.
Candidate Ralph Forbes was not given equal exposure in the state newspaper here in Arkansas as the other candidates were and when his name came up, it was relentlessly demonized by the Jews, non-whites, and jewish sympathizers that infest the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.
For[B] NO television media ads[/B] and [B]the worst newspaper coverage and commentary on his character in print in the state of Arkansas at that time[/B], Candidate Ralph Forbes received [B]over 1/3 of the eligible vote[/B] residing in his district!
True, he did not win, but he stood tall and firm in his convictions and did not falter. He was not the candidate to sell our children's future to the darkest or highest bidder. He was the candidate that stood for Christian values, our race and our children's future!
So, I understand where some of you are coming from, but I do not see any of you doing something about it. It is so easy to run one's mouth and sneer at real efforts to make changes that benefit us and our children.
If you cannot support White organizations that are making efforts to restore White values and traditions, then support the concerned White candidates that are running for office.
If not, then run for office yourself and if you stand for White tradition and White culture and White values, I may vote for you. :)
2004-01-14 17:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]So, I understand where some of you are coming from, but I do not see any of you doing something about it. It is so easy to run one's mouth and sneer at real efforts to make changes that benefit us and our children.
If you cannot support White organizations that are making efforts to restore White values and traditions, then support the concerned White candidates that are running for office.
If not, then run for office yourself and if you stand for White tradition and White culture and White values, I may vote for you. :)[/QUOTE]
Interesting story about Ralph Forbes, Duke's 1988 Presidential campaign manager (under the Populist Party ticket).
You show some things the Knights Party could do. While WN support of a candidate generally is harmful, clearly there are some candidates a respectable WN should support (say like our old compatriot Triskelion) and some we couldnt support (I'd have a hard time supporting Linder for example, because of his general intemperance).
For a WN organization to gain some recognition as something with some real credibility on the viability of candidates is something that would be a real asset.
You're quite right about it being so easy to run one's mouth and sneer on the internet. That's all a lot of people seem able and/or willing to do.
The CoCC is an example. It publishes a nice newspaper, but that's about all to my and others (who seem to know it quite well) knowledge does.
BTW, you wouldn't happen to have a link on this Forbes campaign would you golfball?
2004-01-15 01:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball] So, I understand where some of you are coming from, but I do not see any of you doing something about it. It is so easy to run one's mouth and sneer at real efforts to make changes that benefit us and our children. [/QUOTE]
I've put in a lot of my time and money in the effort for ten years, but at this time I see no group that is really doing anything measurable. Due to this, I have decided to support ad hoc efforts.
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2004-01-15 02:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] ............
BTW, you wouldn't happen to have a link on this Forbes campaign would you golfball?[/QUOTE] My apologies,.... here are some interesting links: [url]www.current.org/pb/pb719k.html[/url]
[url]www.current.org/pb/pb719f.html[/url]
[img]http://www.current.org/pb/pb719f.jpg[/img]
High court hears Arkansas ETV debate case Outcome may affect free-press rights of state pubcasters -- as well as free-speech rights of minor candidates Adapted from Current, Oct. 20, 1997
By Steve Behrens
Excluding a minor congressional candidate, Ralph P. Forbes, from a 1992 broadcast debate was just an exercise in standard journalistic judgment, Arkansas ETV has told the Supreme Court, asking it to overturn a 1996 circuit court ruling.
Forbes "was judged to be of little or no interest to the viewing audience," the network said in a brief.
But that judgment amounts to unconstitutional interference by a government agency in a candidate's free-speech rights, the candidate's lawyer has replied.
Making that decision because his candidacy looked weak is the same thing as discriminating against a person who has unpopular views, the lawyer has argued.
These were the positions of the major contestants in Arkansas Educational Television Commission v. Ralph P. Forbes on Oct. 8 as the high court opened its hearing on the state network's appeal.
The New York Times called it "one of the most closely watched cases of the new term," with implications for state colleges and other governmental units. The court's decision probably will be out by the end of June.
At stake were two kinds of First Amendment rights--Forbes' free-speech rights versus Arkansas ETV's free-press rights.
.......... [end of what I am going to use]
When any candidate that stands for White or Christian values steps up to the plate, that candidate will be demonized by the jewsmedia.
Candidate Forbes stood his ground and was demonized for his efforts. Let this be a lesson learned for ANY white organization that finds the werewithal to sponser a candidate for elected office.
That is what we are facing and we sure don't need any sneering cowards or self-righteous wannabes backbiting our efforts to do something about the current state of America.
It is important to support the candidates that stands for White traditions, values and culture.
2004-01-15 21:22 | User Profile
"The CoCC is an example. It publishes a nice newspaper, but that's about all to my and others (who seem to know it quite well) knowledge does."
My understanding is that particularly in Mississippi, but also in South Carolina and other principally Deep South states where they have many large chapters, the CofCC is pretty active. I know they've sponsored some pro-Confederate flag rallies and I remember, back when Klinton was in office, members of the CofCC were protesting his appearances down South. The Mississippi state legislature would be unlikely to pass any legislation of which the CofCC strongly disapproves. What they need to do is go on the offensive and get the Mississippi legislature to start proactively passing legislation of which they, and other WNs, would approve.
2004-01-15 21:39 | User Profile
"For[B] NO television media ads[/B] and [B]the worst newspaper coverage and commentary on his character in print in the state of Arkansas at that time[/B], Candidate Ralph Forbes received [B]over 1/3 of the eligible vote[/B] residing in his district!"
"Ralph Forbes was an independent candidate for Congress in Arkansas' 3rd district in 1992. He was one of only three candidates on the ballot, and polled 2.5%."
[url]http://www.ballot-access.org/1997/0407.html[/url]
Can you explain the discrepancy between "over 1/3 of the....vote," and the 2.5% figure cited by the ordinarily very credible Ballot Access News? Are you perhaps applying unusual definitions to the terms "eligible" or "residing," perhaps? I had to check up on what you'd said, i.e. that Forbes had apparently gotten over 33% of the vote in his 1992 race, by simple virtue of the fact that it would be such good news, it seemed strange I hadn't heard about it (especially since I had heard mention of the Forbes candidacy back in '92). Just sincerely curious....
2004-01-15 22:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] Can you explain the discrepancy between "over 1/3 of the....vote," and the 2.5% figure cited by the ordinarily very credible Ballot Access News? Are you perhaps applying unusual definitions to the terms "eligible" or "residing," perhaps? I had to check up on what you'd said, i.e. that Forbes had apparently gotten over 33% of the vote in his 1992 race, by simple virtue of the fact that it would be such good news, it seemed strange I hadn't heard about it (especially since I had heard mention of the Forbes candidacy back in '92). Just sincerely curious....[/QUOTE]
Ralph Forbes ran again in 2001 and received the amount I posted. John Boozman won the race. [url]www.boozman.house.gov/Biography/[/url]
....... Sworn in on November 28, 2001, Boozman was elected in a special election to replace Asa Hutchinson who resigned after accepting President George W. Bush's appointment to become Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration. .........
Kevin_O'Keeffe, you are still closer to the truth, and as for the special election that occurred, I may have been wrong saying that it was 1/3 of the vote, yet I can remember that it was a substantial amount.
In any event, Ralph was supported by The Knights and several thousand people voted for him in the special election. That is several thousands of people that share our views residing in the third district of the state of Arkansas.
2004-01-17 01:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]In any event, Ralph was supported by The Knights and several thousand people voted for him in the special election. That is several thousands of people that share our views residing in the third district of the state of Arkansas. [/QUOTE]
Golfball, this brings up the general subject of political strategies. I would in fact be surprised if a candidate aspiring and succeeding in taking 1/3 of the vote would do so by seeking an open endorsement from the Klan. However a clever strategy could seek to form coalitions through such candidates by less overt means of endorsement, such as through front organizations or discrete support. This is what moderate means of political involvement (for WN's) usually entail.
Along these lines, what is the Knights Party position towards Francis and Buchanan? Did you endorse Buchanan in 2000 for your membership?
2004-01-17 02:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] ............
Along these lines, what is the Knights Party position towards Francis and Buchanan? Did you endorse Buchanan in 2000 for your membership?[/QUOTE]
As for the first part of your question, there has been no public announcement towards the two individuals that you mention.
For the second part, I do not think Pat was endorsed, yet politically, he seemed to be the closest candidate that shared similar views.
2004-01-17 06:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]As for the first part of your question, there has been no public announcement towards the two individuals that you mention.
For the second part, I do not think Pat was endorsed, yet politically, he seemed to be the closest candidate that shared similar views.[/QUOTE]
He certainly did, but along with Francis, these paleoconservatives seem to generally not have a high regard in the WN camp, as these threads indicated.
[url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=6133]Slick Vic Meets Canny Sammy[/url]
This particular interchange sort of stood out. [quote=okiereddust][quote=Triskelion]The notion that Buchanan is involved in "tribal politics" is absurd. After listening to that unprincipled ââ¬Åpitchforkââ¬Â plutocrat defend the last war against Europa as necessary and defensible for bringing ââ¬Ådemocracyââ¬Â and an end to homogeneity (an article about those comments were/are to be found on the neo-confederate Whittaker on line site although I heard them myself) pretty much showed him to be a fraud. Obviously you are pretending never to have heard of "A Republic Not An Empire" in which he said the war against Germany was not necessary, which drew tremendous heat from the press, and probably broke up his Reform Party bid. You, along with the VNNers, who are always quick to blame Buchanan for his failure in 2000, never seem to give credit to Pat for this, much less venture any persnal responsibility for Pat's failures on some of the statements he's made where he's actually gone out of his way to rapproach to your position, more than some of us seems wise.
Of course these remarks never led any of these peopleto ever give Pat any credit. Instead they go out of his way to nitpick Pat to death. It seems they all have taken some deathbed oath to Odin "never say anything good about Pat Buchanan".
[url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?p=65387#post65387]A Conservative No More, The Tribal Politics of Pat Buchanan[/url]
So I'd be interested in what position the Knights Party actually took regarding Pat Buchanan. I'd heard in the past some WN's incluiding some organizations actually discretely worked for his campaign, but the present attitude of even moderate WN's like Triskelion, let alone Linder, seem to be that he's practically no better than any of the other candidates, and its as much a mistake to get involved with his campaign as it is Joe Lieberman's.
2004-01-17 20:36 | User Profile
"Kevin_O'Keeffe, you are still closer to the truth, and as for the special election that occurred, I may have been wrong saying that it was 1/3 of the vote, yet I can remember that it was a substantial amount."
I wish you were correct, however, here are the results for the 2001 race that I got off some dominant media source via Google:
St. Rep. Mike Hathorn (D) 42.15% optometrist John Boozman (R) 55.54% Sarah Marsh (G) 1.86% Pastor / Perennial Candidate Justice Ralph Forbes (F) 0.44%
Does anyone know what the "F" in Forbes' partisan affiliation stands for? I like how anyone who runs for an office more than once is automatically a "perennial candidate...."
2004-01-17 20:59 | User Profile
In the past Ralph Forbes has run as a Reform Party Candidate.
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]"Kevin_O'Keeffe, you are still closer to the truth, and as for the special election that occurred, I may have been wrong saying that it was 1/3 of the vote, yet I can remember that it was a substantial amount."
I wish you were correct, however, here are the results for the 2001 race that I got off some dominant media source via Google:
St. Rep. Mike Hathorn (D) 42.15% optometrist John Boozman (R) 55.54% Sarah Marsh (G) 1.86% Pastor / Perennial Candidate Justice Ralph Forbes (F) 0.44%
Does anyone know what the "F" in Forbes' partisan affiliation stands for? I like how anyone who runs for an office more than once is automatically a "perennial candidate...."[/QUOTE]
2004-01-18 04:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]
St. Rep. Mike Hathorn (D) 42.15% optometrist John Boozman (R) 55.54% Sarah Marsh (G) 1.86% Pastor / Perennial Candidate Justice Ralph Forbes (F) 0.44%
..... [/QUOTE]
"F" stands for the Freedom Party, I think.
.44% of 1 %
I guess thats all the people left in the third district of the state of Arkansas that cares enough about the White race to vote for a candidate that stands for White values and traditions.
We are a minority. Oh well, Whites that do not appreciate their traditions, culture or heritage don't really have much room to cry when it's gone.
That may be a good sign though. When whites chose to vote for the ones that are destroying America with politics as usual, that means they are going to suffer some more indignity and loss.
I ponder when whites will say, "enough is enough", and vote for the White way again. We have to reach our race with information and show them who to vote for.
2004-01-18 04:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball] ............
I ponder when whites will say, "enough is enough", and vote for the White way again. We have to reach our race with information and show them who to vote for.[/QUOTE]
Especially when the candidate is on the ticket.
I would like to see other groups sponser a candidate. Shoot, don't go down without trying. Maybe the C of C C will offer up a candidate, or even the National Alliance. Be sure it is not someone that will resign as soon as they win office, either. :)
2004-01-29 01:43 | User Profile
I recently looked into the Knights Party and it seems they've never ran a single candidate for any office and they have one of technically worst websites I have ever seen. These people are, sadly, not going to be a factor in America's future, other than to the extent they invest their efforts in some more meaningful organization, be it partisan or otherwise. A Knights Party might have been a neat idea in traditionally Klan friendly regions of certain states, but the current crew behind this idea don't exactly have their act together, it seems.
2004-01-31 02:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I recently looked into the Knights Party and it seems they've never ran a single candidate for any office and they have one of technically worst websites I have ever seen. These people are, sadly, not going to be a factor in America's future, other than to the extent they invest their efforts in some more meaningful organization, be it partisan or otherwise. A Knights Party might have been a neat idea in traditionally Klan friendly regions of certain states, but the current crew behind this idea don't exactly have their act together, it seems.[/QUOTE]
It becomes apparent that the National Alliance does not have any members that care to stay in public office either. Why is that?
Is there going to be any N A members on the ticket/vote this coming election for me to choose from?
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does have a limited target audience. With that being said, it would be well to know that people we support have been on the ticket more than once. Can the N A do that?
If there was a member of the N A on the ticket, I would vote for him/her.
Would you vote for a Klansman?
2004-02-02 17:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I recently looked into the Knights Party and it seems they've never ran a single candidate for any office and they have one of technically worst websites I have ever seen. These people are, sadly, not going to be a factor in America's future, other than to the extent they invest their efforts in some more meaningful organization, be it partisan or otherwise. A Knights Party might have been a neat idea in traditionally Klan friendly regions of certain states, but the current crew behind this idea don't exactly have their act together, it seems.[/QUOTE]
After reading the other post about the false flag:
........ [B]Failure of the 'non-Movement'[/B]
There was never any possibility for the NA to progress beyond media operations into becoming a civil and political leadership cadre. The National Alliance, Incorporated collectively can no more participate in direct local politics than can Texaco or IBM. The corporation laws of the State of Virginia debar this. Beyond this it has no existence at local levels and cannot operate without registering to do business in each area. Because of this eschewal of political participation the National Alliance has directed the pro-white movement up a blind alley.
The abandonment of the political arena led to a huge relaxation of pesonnel standards. The simple expedient of requiring activists to have a voter identification card would screen out the most egregious felons who have been responsible for 99% of the unproductive incidents used to delegitimante the pro-white movement. Meanwhile the commercial profit imperative led to active appeals to a highly unstable group of individuals. These parallel mechanisms, combined with the tacit working relationship with the ADL, are the major reasons the pro-white movement is teeming with so many convicted felons and borderline psychotics.
Those in editorial control of National Alliance media can exert a background influence on the social and political environment. But this influence will always be proportional to their circulation. Since the NA's circulation is extremely limited, diffused over a large geographical area, and the content irrelevant to local conditions or people, the resulting influence is also very superficial. Non-existent is a better term. Marc Moran in New Jersey recently discovered the illusionary nature of the existing 'non-Movement' when he attempted venturing into local borough politics.
Those private corporation leaders personally profiting from the Movement are always quick to point to such events as confirmation of their thesis that the political process should be avoided. .................
This helps me to better understand why people like you denigrate our efforts to place Pro-White candidates on the vote. It also helps me to understand why you did not answer my question. Maybe my question concerning the vote was not important enough for you to answer.
Maybe next time, before you start denigrating our efforts, [COLOR=Blue]"These people are, sadly, not going to be a factor in America's future, other than to the extent they invest their efforts in some more meaningful organization, be it partisan or otherwise."[/COLOR], you may consider that The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan IS A POLITICAL organization, that works to get Pro-White people on the political ticket.
Kevin_O'Keeffe, don't scorn us, we are trying and that is better than play acting anyday.
2004-02-03 08:37 | User Profile
"If there was a member of the N A on the ticket, I would vote for him/her.
Would you vote for a Klansman?"
Oh, probably (I did give David Duke a whole $10 in '91, after all), but that's not the point. The point is that THERE IS NO KNIGHTS PARTY. A website (and a rather bad one, at that) isn't a party. I'd just as soon see a Knights Party emerge as a rightist alternative to the Republicans. Its just that it hasn't happened, nor does it seem likely to....that's the problem.
2004-02-03 08:42 | User Profile
"This helps me to better understand why people like you denigrate our efforts to place Pro-White candidates on the vote. It also helps me to understand why you did not answer my question. Maybe my question concerning the vote was not important enough for you to answer.
Maybe next time, before you start denigrating our efforts, "These people are, sadly, not going to be a factor in America's future, other than to the extent they invest their efforts in some more meaningful organization, be it partisan or otherwise.", you may consider that The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan IS A POLITICAL organization, that works to get Pro-White people on the political ticket.
Kevin_O'Keeffe, don't scorn us, we are trying and that is better than play acting anyday."
Well, you're obviously inclined to take this a lot more personally than need be the case. I simply pointed out the obvious truth; that a bad website and a track record of placing ZERO candidates on the ballot didn't look very promising. If you want to count that as being "scorned" and "denigrated," then its clear we should just discuss something else. You've obviously got a lot more invested in this topic than I do....
2004-02-03 11:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] Well, you're obviously inclined to take this a lot more personally than need be the case. [/QUOTE] No, I am not taking your remarks as a personal affront to myself. I am established and am quite used to criticism. (constructive and negative) [QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]
I simply pointed out the obvious truth; that a bad website and a track record of placing ZERO candidates on the ballot didn't look very promising. [/QUOTE] Yes, we have not placed any "Knights Party" candidates on the ballot, so we apply our efforts to mainstream candidates as well. If you are not able to work in a political aspect, you handicap yourself when bringing your views to a political setting. Representation is a key element in today's government. Why can't the National Alliance work towards placing a candidate in public office? The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does.
This is one of the reasons why I did not join the National Alliance. I want access to politics through a White Christian platform to represent my views. My views are established, I am a member of the Knights Party.
I admire the National Alliance because it is working in a fashion that helps to awaken members of our race in ways that offer a Pro-White message. Don't take this wrong, I would like to see political involvement and maybe a better understanding and appreciation for Pro-White political efforts.
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] If you want to count that as being "scorned" and "denigrated," then its clear we should just discuss something else. You've obviously got a lot more invested in this topic than I do.... [/QUOTE]
That may be so, I don't plan on abandoning my views when it may seem to be convenient, like some other people I read about.
2004-02-03 17:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]No, I am not taking your remarks as a personal affront to myself. I am established and am quite used to criticism. (constructive and negative)
Yes, we have not placed any "Knights Party" candidates on the ballot, so we apply our efforts to mainstream candidates as well. If you are not able to work in a political aspect, you handicap yourself when bringing your views to a political setting. Representation is a key element in today's government. Why can't the National Alliance work towards placing a candidate in public office? The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan does.
Good little synoposis of an effective political strategy here, yes in spite of the fact, just like the National Alliance, have no official candidates. You maybe can even read between the lines here a little bit. Certainly the attitude of not only the NA but even people like Triskelion toward people like Buchanan would seems to mitigate against working in a political aspect. Especially when, unlike what Triskelion suggests, you also eschew local involvement and organization also.
This is one of the reasons why I did not join the National Alliance. I want access to politics through a White Christian platform to represent my views. My views are established, I am a member of the Knights Party.
I admire the National Alliance because it is working in a fashion that helps to awaken members of our race in ways that offer a Pro-White message. Don't take this wrong, I would like to see political involvement and maybe a better understanding and appreciation for Pro-White political efforts.
That may be so, I don't plan on abandoning my views when it may seem to be convenient, like some other people I read about.[/QUOTE]
Very diplomatic and reasonable. Certainly we have substantial disagreement with the NA on both ideology (religious tolerance) and tactics. But we aren't fishing for a fight - percursory review of our respective positions reveals a great deal of similarity in our views and diagnosis of what is wrong with America.
I've always agreed with Tex that we don't want to be the first person throwing stones, and I think the record shows we rarely are (Oh we're human I suppose like everyone and make mistakes). If we could just work in some sort of coordination rather than fighting and sniping at each other all the time, it might be surprising to people what could be accomplished.
2004-02-03 20:07 | User Profile
"I've always agreed with Tex that we don't want to be the first person throwing stones, and I think the record shows we rarely are (Oh we're human I suppose like everyone and make mistakes). If we could just work in some sort of coordination rather than fighting and sniping at each other all the time, it might be surprising to people what could be accomplished."
I wasn't trying to snipe at anyone; I was sincerely interested in the Knights Party (and even considering joining it). Its just that upon investigating it, I came to the sad conclusion that despite the existence of a (bad) website claiming to represent its interests, the Knights Party doesn't actually exist. I wish it did, but it just doesn't seem worth expending a lot of energy supporting a group that is effectively non-existent. That's all I meant. I wasn't criticizing the group per se, just noting that the group in question doesn't seem to exist. I wish it did.
2004-02-03 21:23 | User Profile
I think the vast majority of the people on this Forum would just assume never hear about the Klan ever again.
2004-02-04 00:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I've always agreed with Tex that we don't want to be the first person throwing stones, and I think the record shows we rarely are (Oh we're human I suppose like everyone and make mistakes). If we could just work in some sort of coordination rather than fighting and sniping at each other all the time, it might be surprising to people what could be accomplished.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, Okie. I think it's a worthwhile plan to 1) identify the players within various camps that are amenable to open dialogue and coalition building, and 2) creating some kind of private 'Leadership Forum' here where the folks involved could communicate off the record and see what may be available for us to work together on. A sort of Constitutional Convention if you will, for anti-NWO/ZOG ideologues and activists.
It's a nice dream, anyway.
2004-02-04 00:31 | User Profile
It is sad when WNs infight. [Yes, I am guilty of that myself, re: Okie and others].
Robb's Klan group is a good group. Many here at OD would fit right in. And they have the religion needed to keep people like Tex and Okie interested long term....if they wanted to join, that is....
2004-02-04 01:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]I think the vast majority of the people on this Forum would just assume never hear about the Klan ever again.[/QUOTE]
What do you know about the Klan other than what you've seen on TV?
Honestly?
2004-02-04 02:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]What do you know about the Klan other than what you've seen on TV?
Honestly?[/QUOTE]
Good point. Also, the Klan before the Civil Riots Era was entirely different from what it is now. It was also quite varied regionally. The Depression-Era Klan had a huge membership up here in the old Steel Valley but it was among working-class native-born Americans against a variety of things (Catholic immigrants mostly).
I'm guessing this part of Klan history would be quite mysterious below the Mason-Dixon line. Children of more recent immigrants up here would join the Klan to prove their Americanism. It worked that way in Indiana also, which had a huge Klan membership at one time. They elected politicians often.
This aspect of American history has pretty much been memory-holed in the last generation.
2004-02-04 02:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]
I wasn't trying to snipe at anyone; I was sincerely interested in the Knights Party (and even considering joining it). Its just that upon investigating it, I came to the sad conclusion that despite the existence of a (bad) website claiming to represent its interests, the Knights Party doesn't actually exist.[/QUOTE] Yes, we exist. We are real, but small for now. We are Klan. We are political. We are active.
The Knights are political in nature and scope. This is a good alternative to plain ol' politics as usual, and you don't have to join to participate. Just get active in politics in your area and see what the candidates stand for. See if they share your views, influence public opinion to see things your way, work in your area than hook up with others in adjacent areas, network with your neighbors in adjoining counties.
In order to be successful politically, you make political ties when and where you can. Be professional, act professional, deal professionally with others. Pump a few hands, share some coffee or tea with the candidates.
I don't really know how else you are going to suceed unless you open the political doors to power.
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] I wish it did, but it just doesn't seem worth expending a lot of energy supporting a group that is effectively non-existent. That's all I meant. I wasn't criticizing the group per se, just noting that the group in question doesn't seem to exist. I wish it did.[/QUOTE]
You do not have to join to be a supporter, just vote for Pro-White candidates. If you do not see any on the ticket in your area, then do something about it, I do.
I expend all the energy I need to in order to make a difference. It really does come down to mindset for some people.
I see something worthy in my efforts and I appreciate the protection afforded me because my political activity is constitutionally protected.
But if you want to stand out as a real professional, promote your organization without demeaning others or even making the appearance of doing so. Attitude and character is what helps you to go far. :)
2004-02-04 02:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Thank you, Okie. I think it's a worthwhile plan to 1) identify the players within various camps that are amenable to open dialogue and coalition building, and 2) creating some kind of private 'Leadership Forum' here where the folks involved could communicate off the record and see what may be available for us to work together on. A sort of Constitutional Convention if you will, for anti-NWO/ZOG ideologues and activists.
It's a nice dream, anyway.[/QUOTE] Well I kind of think that's what this forum is. But of course we've also seen the kind of difficulties involved, the kind of factional infighting that tends to run rampant, and what seems to be the inherent difficulty in getting people to work together, even in this day and age, with neocons running rampant over everything. The old adage - getting political dissidents to work together is like herding cats - holds true to some degree.
Historically, that was the reason for the path the National Revolution took in Germany toward Fuehrer worship. There was a great deal of reservations about Hitler, but he seemed to be the only person could possibly unify all the freikorps and the other disparate wings of the National Revolutionary movement.
Of course things change. Nowadays for instance that modern day fuehrer (Pierce is gone) and his ranks are badly split. Who knows maybe things could change, and the NA leaders might moderate some of their incessent bad-mouthing of people like Buchanan, Brimelow, Francis and other good people and start seriously talking about working with people outside their narrow clique. I think we at least know now what to look for to ascertain if the signs are ready.
2004-02-16 15:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]I think the vast majority of the people on this Forum would just assume never hear about the Klan ever again.[/QUOTE]
That would be great. Not just on this forum, but anywhere, ever.
2004-02-18 02:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=W.R.I.T.O.S]That would be great. Not just on this forum, but anywhere, ever.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm sure.
And what are you doing for our White race?
2004-02-18 02:45 | User Profile
The anti-Klan attitudes of some posters at OD are shocking. What is their exact problem [those ODers]? Do they believe the media lies about the Klan-as-a-whole?
2004-02-18 02:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]The anti-Klan attitudes of some posters at OD are shocking. What is their exact problem [those ODers]? Do they believe the media lies about the Klan-as-a-whole?[/QUOTE]
They are more than likely anti's.
Could even be infoshop pets or something. [img]http://www.infoshop.org/inews/images/topic_antifa.gif[/img]
heritagelost or W.R.I.T.O.S., do ya'll frequent the infoshop site?
[URL=http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php]infoshop.org/racetraitor news[/URL]
2004-02-18 03:11 | User Profile
Right now Thom Robbs' Klan, which Golfball is a member, is a small remnant of what it used to be.
In the 80's Robb actually had 600+ people attend his Pulaski Klan Homecomings. Now he claims victory if he gets 50 people.
The Klan office is run by himself and his daughter Rachel. His most recent employees beside his daughter have been a convicted child molester who spent 5 years in prison and a convicted murderer who spent 18 years in prison.
Thom Robbs' former leader of Ohio has been in prison for years for severely beating his extra-martial affair.
Are these the kind of people you want to hang out with?
2004-02-20 20:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]In the 80's Robb actually had 600+ people attend his Pulaski Klan Homecomings. Now he claims victory if he gets 50 people.
The Klan office is run by himself and his daughter Rachel. His most recent employees beside his daughter have been a convicted child molester who spent 5 years in prison ....[/QUOTE] Mel , that is whom of you speak, has been kicked out of The Knights since 2001, The Knights has no use for people like that. [QUOTE=heritagelost] ..... and a convicted murderer who spent 18 years in prison.[/QUOTE] There is no one like that at the National Office now. [QUOTE=heritagelost] Thom Robbs' former leader of Ohio has been in prison for years for severely beating his extra-martial affair.
Are these the kind of people you want to hang out with?[/QUOTE] Notice the proper title (former), that individual is not with The Knights either.
You are right about the lower numbers found at The Knights now, but the message we now offer demands professional representatives and people that are able to fill those shoes are sparse indeed. (My point being that people willing to make the effort to LOOK appropriately as representatives of The Knights are sparse) We seek political minded individuals that understand the importance of a good record and a clean appearance.
Yes, by Pastor Robb taking this track the numbers of The Knights have pared down significantly. But this has always been in the best interest of The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and our membership. It makes a very important change from the days of standing on the corner or courthouse steps yelling "Nigger this, Jew that". Our ability to represent our interests and concerns as individuals or Knights have been greatly enhanced by Pastor Robb's decision to modernize and streamline the message and political activism of The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. We are Professionals.
I have talked with Pastor Robb concerning former members and he has clearly stated that he is not interested in seeking their return. This is one of the reasons why I have not extended to you an invitation to return to The Knights.
You "left" for your own reasons.
I am a lifetime member and will not let silly head trips or power plays affect my political activism as a Knight of the Ku Klux Klan. I did not join the Klan to become a powerful member and direct the fates of others, I joined to offer what I could to an organization that shares the same values and concerns as I have.
Most, if not all, Whites share very similar views on our racial kin and children, that is why The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan continue to exist. Our membership quality has increased even though membership numbers have decreased since 1994. The numbers of members have stabilized around 1996 and since then the amount of membership, quality membership, has been on the rise.
The message of The Knights does not contain hatred for anyone, but it presents racial and sexual facts as according to the Word of God, the writings of our founding fathers and those facts observable in any town or city. Our message reaches through the media blanket and touches those that are concerned by what they see going on around them today.
2004-03-07 06:19 | User Profile
Hey Look, it's one of Golfballs' crack storm troopers!
Thom Robbs' Knights, Realm of KY
2004-04-02 01:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]Hey Look, it's one of Golfballs' crack storm troopers!
Thom Robbs' Knights, Realm of KY[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm,.... I missed that fellow at the last cross lighting.
2004-04-02 01:30 | User Profile
Would you look at that, I am in this picture!
2004-04-02 01:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball] And, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is gaining membership as well. :D [/QUOTE]
We're always hearing that the KKK is getting bigger, but every year it has fewer members and no credible influence.
The last time the KKK had any real power was back in the 1960s, when one might find police and politicians at least secretly giving support. But today, the last thing anyone in a position of responsibility wants is to have their name connected with the KKK.
Maybe its hard to let go. The KKK had a purpose in a certain era and circumstances, but those days are gone.
2004-04-02 17:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]We're always hearing that the KKK is getting bigger, but every year it has fewer members and no credible influence.
............
[/QUOTE]
That's a hoot! :D
While you are correct that open association causes some white politicians to shy away, they all do not.
Let's just say that sometimes association is better kept private. :thumbsup:
2004-04-02 17:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]........
The last time the KKK had any real power was back in the 1960s, when one might find police and politicians at least secretly giving support. But today, the last thing anyone in a position of responsibility wants is to have their name connected with the KKK.
........[/QUOTE]
Okay wild_bill, what are you doing to contact the various political parties this election year and confirming where the candidates stand? Are you like all of those other inactive people that considers reading about the candidates from a newspaper to be political activity?
If you get tired of being a nobody, why don't you Join The Knights?
Find out the facts about what you speak of instead of watching the History channel to get your information. :D
[url]www.ardemgaz.com/ShowStoryTemplate.asp?Path=ArDemocrat/2004/03/29&ID=Ar01002&Section=Editorial[/url]
[CENTER][SIZE=5][COLOR=Red]False history on a screen near you[/COLOR][/SIZE][/CENTER] BY JACK VALENTI INTHE WASHINGTON POST
The blending of a fragment of fact into a volume of fiction is becoming a staple of so-called docudramas. Recently the History Channel ran a "documentary" wherein the author of a book from which the film was taken says without ambiguity that Lyndon Johnson killed President Kennedy and ordered the murder of eight others, including his own sister! I joined other former LBJ aidesââ¬âBill Moyers, Tom Johnson and Larry Templeââ¬âto ask the History Channel how this monstrous film was allowed to air without even a cursory fact-checking. To the History Channelââ¬â¢s credit, it has now appointed three distinguished historians to examine these direct accusations and present their findings on the History Channel. Which takes me back to what is arguably the most unrepentant distortion of truth ever imprisoned on film, Oliver Stoneââ¬â¢s JFK, his 1991 movie account of the murder of President John F. Kennedy. I watched it with my youngest daughter, and as we exited the theater, she said: "Daddy, is that really what happened? Itââ¬â¢s all so real." It hit me like a hammer: If my own daughter was caught up in Stoneââ¬â¢s disreputable plausibility, what must others think? The juxtaposition of fiction and reality can be so confidently manipulated that even babbling delusions can be made to reek of divine truth. Stone made the ramblings of a discredited New Orleans district attorney, Jim Garrison, appear to have been extracted from biblical injunctions. Garrison indicted Clay Shaw, a prominent New Orleans citizen, and tried him on charges of being part of a JFK murder conspiracy. The jury exonerated Shaw in less than an hour, though some observers groused, "What took them so long?" Within a day of seeing JFK, I called Bob Daly, then co-chairman of Warner Bros. studio, one of the wisest men in the film industry. I told him I was ready to publicly denounce the film. Bob was calm. He instructed me in a further reality. Because I was president of the Motion Picture Association of America, was I not in a conflict of interest? Yes, I replied, and I was willing to resign my post so that conflict would be dissolved. Finally Bob and I agreed I would be silent until all voting for Academy Awards had been concluded and announced. Then I would go public. Newspapers on April 2, 1992, carried my assault on Stoneââ¬â¢s film. I said, among other comments: "Young German girls and boys in 1941 were mesmerized by Leni Riefenstahlââ¬â¢s Triumph of the Will,in which Adolf Hitler is pictured as a new-born God. Both JFK and Triumph of the Willare equally a propaganda masterpiece and equally a hoax." Stone issued a retort saying in part that he hoped I would join him "in urging that all government files on the assassination of President Kennedy be opened to the public so that the American people can have a fuller understanding of that tragedy." I and others did just that. The files were opened in their entirety. Not a whimper of corroboration of Stoneââ¬â¢s infamous indictments was found. As with Garrisonââ¬â¢s bleatings, there was no there there. Yet whenever and wherever JFKis shown today, Stoneââ¬â¢s plastering together the true and the false into something that seems plausible still causes viewers to see it as "real and true." Thatââ¬â¢s why we took our case to the History Channel. But I wonder. No matter what historians report about this "documentary," it will keep reappearing onscreen somewhere as "the truth." Evidence of how baseless its accusations are will not be known to a new generation of viewers. They will see it and say, "Is that the way it really was?" The power to dissolve reason in an ever-ascending reach of storytelling oftentimes empowered by digital legerdemain makes it harder and harder to distinguish what is right from what is plainly wrong. That, however, should not keep us from the truth.
ââ¬Â¢ Jack Valenti is president of the Motion Picture Association of America, and served as a special assistant to President Lyndon B. Johnson.
This story was published Monday, March 29, 2004
2004-04-12 05:47 | User Profile
I don't know much about the Klan.
I read a great book on [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898706726/qid=1081760477/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/104-9400640-2396702?v=glance&s=books]Masonry[/URL] by Whalen in which it was stated that Nathan Bedford Forrest was not only one of the greatest military geniuses of history but also one of the great adepts of Masonic doctrine. I understand that NBF wrote a classic book on the subject. I also understand that the Klan is due to its founder's beliefs a deeply Masonic organization.
My question is this: to what extent (if any) is Klan doctrine Masonic? Are the rituals identifiably Masonic?
I ask this with all respect, I really don't know.
Walter
2004-04-12 17:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I don't know much about the Klan.
I read a great book on [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898706726/qid=1081760477/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/104-9400640-2396702?v=glance&s=books]Masonry[/URL] by Whalen in which it was stated that Nathan Bedford Forrest was not only one of the greatest military geniuses of history but also one of the great adepts of Masonic doctrine. I understand that NBF wrote a classic book on the subject. I also understand that the Klan is due to its founder's beliefs a deeply Masonic organization.
My question is this: to what extent (if any) is Klan doctrine Masonic?[/QUOTE] None of it. [QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Are the rituals identifiably Masonic? [/QUOTE] Not any.
There are some that may point to the older style (Imperial) initiation, but even that is separate from any Masonic ritual. About the closest comparison is as stated.
The Ku Klux Klan is based in service to our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Masons work under the auspices of the architect of the universe. However, the Masons also espouse the doctrine of equality, which would answer why there are negro masonic organizations. The Masons also support jewish interests that are anti-christ in nature and scope.
Respectfully
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] I ask this with all respect, I really don't know.
Walter[/QUOTE]
I hope this will clarify some issues for you.
2004-04-14 08:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I hope this will clarify some issues for you.[/QUOTE]
Many thanks, Golfball.
Walter
2004-04-17 05:27 | User Profile
The REAL KLAN still stands for what is right, and WHAT IS FACT.
But, it is useless, so..
STOP THE TERRORISTS
We will establish our Stronghold in the region. You will pay for it Shut up and pay for murder Be an American you idiot Kill for Democracy, because they Killed us, and they are terrorists. I know this because tv tell me so. They are real and all you crackpots are not. If you told the truth , you would be on the news, but you are liars and bullshit paranoics. Shut up all of you. AL Quida is REAL and they will terrorize America until we annihilate them. You stupid fools, they are jealous of our Democracy, they are jealous and thats why they attack us. I am Proud To Be An American. We are Free and They Are NOT. I hope the 400 dollar ( yes dollar ) I just mailed to the White House is used to CONFRONT terrorism. I hope will kill these bastards. I am part of the team Stop lying about my country. We are the best country in the world. You wouldn't even be alive today if the Government did not protect you. I am voting for George W. Bush and he is a proud President.
2004-04-19 01:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]The REAL KLAN still stands for what is right, and WHAT IS FACT.
But, it is useless, so..
STOP THE TERRORISTS
We will establish our Stronghold in the region. You will pay for it Shut up and pay for murder Be an American you idiot...... [/QUOTE] Who is this part addressed to? [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] Kill for Democracy, because they Killed us, and they are terrorists. I know this because tv tell me so. They are real and all you crackpots are not.[/QUOTE] What did the T.V. tell you? [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] If you told the truth , you would be on the news, but you are liars and bullshit paranoics.[/QUOTE] Who is this addressed to? Surely not White Christians. [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] Shut up all of you. AL Quida is REAL and they will terrorize America until we annihilate them. You stupid fools, they are jealous of our Democracy, they are jealous and thats why they attack us.[/QUOTE] Only if Jews live next door to you. :D Those sand niggers are after the Jews, they are not after us. [Edit - Should the Muslims attack, I do not plan on waiting for the government to save me, I will protect my family and act accordingly.] [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] I am Proud To Be An American. We are Free and They Are NOT.[/QUOTE] Free? You are Free? Free from what? Fear is something that you live in, not me. Do you enjoy your freedom? I enjoy my freedom because I will do something to protect my freedom. [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] I hope the 400 dollar ( yes dollar ) I just mailed to the White House is used to CONFRONT terrorism. I hope will kill these bastards. I am part of the team Stop lying about my country. We are the best country in the world. [/QUOTE] Who is lying about America? [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] You wouldn't even be alive today if the Government did not protect you.[/QUOTE] Protect? Protect who? If you are counting on the government to protect you, well, you are up :dung: creek! The Muslims are already here and will attack. Isn't DIVERSITY Precious? Ahhhh, sweet multiculturalism,..... Also brought to you by the APOSTATE Church! Judeo-Christianity at it's tolerant finest!
ENJOY! :D [QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] I am voting for George W. Bush and he is a proud President. ______[/QUOTE] Good for you!
I still am curious as to who the post was directed at though. My gist is that the author would be some poor misguided Judeo-Christian out on a rant against someone. A well and fine place to share your concerns, I suppose.
2004-04-19 11:09 | User Profile
Bring back the old days.
2004-04-25 02:53 | User Profile
Why do people persist in using Halloween costumes to "promote" their beliefs?
Using Klan robes, an anchronistic artifact of a past successful resistance movement, is no different than the loons who dress up in Nazi costumes. And I say this as a National Socialist!
Believe in Christianity and White Supremacy as the KKK of old did, but don't dress up in costumes. Embrace the [u]substance[/u] of your ancestors' beliefs, but ditch the century old uniforms appropriate only for their times.
A wise warrior wears camouflage in battle.
2004-04-26 00:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971]Why do people persist in using Halloween costumes to "promote" their beliefs?
Using Klan robes, an anchronistic artifact of a past successful resistance movement, is no different than the loons who dress up in Nazi costumes. And I say this as a National Socialist!
Believe in Christianity and White Supremacy as the KKK of old did, but don't dress up in costumes. Embrace the [u]substance[/u] of your ancestors' beliefs, but ditch the century old uniforms appropriate only for their times.
A wise warrior wears camouflage in battle.[/QUOTE]
Should the Klan ditch the bible too? After all, it was authorized in 1611 as the KJV 1611. It is old and uses archaic english. Myself, I embrace the robe and hood as much as I embrace the KJV 1611.
norcalnative1971, post your rant somewhere else.
2004-05-02 18:13 | User Profile
Can someone give me a link to a KKK website that has not been shut down? Can it be that my local library has restricted access to the sites?
I am interested in joining the KKK.
2004-05-03 00:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Davey Crockett]Can someone give me a link to a KKK website that has not been shut down? Can it be that my local library has restricted access to the sites?
I am interested in joining the KKK.[/QUOTE]Here is a local site for The Knights: [url]www.arkpower-light.com[/url]
2004-05-05 18:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]Here is a local site for The Knights: [url]www.arkpower-light.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I thank you for the weblink.
This week, I have started to read everything that my library has on the KKK and Christian Identity. What are the major differences between the two?
Side notes: One of my library books is quite old and has Robert Miles name scribbled in it as a tribute to our hometown hero in the movement.
I am currently being railroaded into a 2-year felony for "ethnic intimidation". No, I never did break the law on ethnic intimidation. I just got into an argument with some negro that worked in the Human Rights Department of the City of Detroit. I used to work there and quit and said some words back when the negros started back talking to me.
The negros are trying to make an example out of me because they found out that they could not intimidate me with name calling like they can with other spineless whites.
The negros have accussed me of being a member of the KKK. Well, if I am going to be convicted of being a member of the KKK, I may as well become a member.
2004-05-10 14:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Davey Crockett]I thank you for the weblink.
This week, I have started to read everything that my library has on the KKK and Christian Identity. What are the major differences between the two?[/QUOTE] My apologies for the delayed response. I have been pretty busy with computer stuff lately and can now respond to your question. The difference between the KKK and Christian Identity is that Christian Identity is a form of faith whereas the KKK is made up of different Christian faiths uniting under a common cause for the benefit of our race and children. [QUOTE=Davey Crockett] Side notes: One of my library books is quite old and has Robert Miles name scribbled in it as a tribute to our hometown hero in the movement.
I am currently being railroaded into a 2-year felony for "ethnic intimidation". [/QUOTE] If your condition allows, I would suggest that you oppose the conviction. I am not aware of your circumstances or the reasons why you were called into court in the first place, but you should legally oppose any efforts to tie yourself to "ethnic intimidation". [QUOTE=Davey Crockett] No, I never did break the law on ethnic intimidation.[/QUOTE] That is in your favor. I wonder if your dispute has to do with Union rules or some form of arbitration? [QUOTE=Davey Crockett] I just got into an argument with some negro that worked in the Human Rights Department of the City of Detroit. I used to work there and quit and said some words back when the negros started back talking to me. [/QUOTE] Recently, a National Guardsman visiting his mother while on leave was approached in (Pine Bluff ?) Arkansas by a negro adolescent that just happened to be carrying a gun. This negro male "asked" the National Guardsman for money, and was told no. From this point, the negro male alleges that the white National Guardsman uttered the word negro or nigger [according to court room testimony-presented as evidence] and was promptly shot by the gun wielding male negro adolescent. This word was the justification of the shooting death of the visiting National Guardsman.
Be careful of how your words are perceived in the company that you are present in. [QUOTE=Davey Crockett] The negros are trying to make an example out of me because they found out that they could not intimidate me with name calling like they can with other spineless whites.[/QUOTE] You are lucky that they did not have a gun. Negroes do not value or appreciate life like whites do. [QUOTE=Davey Crockett] The negros have accussed me of being a member of the KKK. Well, if I am going to be convicted of being a member of the KKK, I may as well become a member.[/QUOTE] Joining a professional organization appeals to many individuals in these times, however, consider your reasons for joining and how they could be applied to effectively work a positive result from your contact with other whites.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is POLITICAL in purpose.
2004-05-13 19:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Cracker of the Whip]Bring back the old days.[/QUOTE]
Last month in Brighton, Michigan, a negro drove up to a 14-year old white girl and followed her home, terrifying her. What disgusts me is that these whites that just moved out from the nearby Detriot suburbs did not seem upset about this. They thought it was perfectly ok for the negro to harrass a young white girl.
When the Klan was active in the area some 20 years ago, no negro would have even enter the off ramp on I-96 from Webberville to Wixom. Now that the Klan is gone, negros are everywhere. They are now begging in the streets, "collecting money for their church."
The spineless police sat around for weeks wondering if they could remove the negros without incuring a lawsuit for racial profiling.
I remember 30 years ago, an Ethiopian tried to do the same thing in the same area. Robert Miles' Klan gave the negro 24-hours to leave town. Problem solved.
At one time, the Klan was our best line of defense for a safe and civilized community.
Now, even the clueless whites are acting like negros and breaking into people's homes. Again, back then, no one dared to do anything that stupid with the Klan around. They would find out who was terrorizing the neighborhoods and force them to leave ASAP.
2004-05-13 19:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]
I ponder when whites will say, "enough is enough", and vote for the White way again. We have to reach our race with information and show them who to vote for.[/QUOTE]
The tide is beginning to turn. We just do not notice it because the media will never acknowledge it to begin with.
Consider this: All racial wars have their origins in the anger created when one race uses governmental power to enrich theirselves at the expense of the other races. The negro has been doing this for the last 30 years. Sooner or later whites will loose patience and begin to fight back. When unemployment reaches critical mass, watch out.
To join the Klan or the National Alliance?
I will go with the Klan over the National Alliance. The problem with the NA is that many of its policies are too tied up with neo-nazism and will always be a fringe group.
The Klan, on the other hand has a long history in America. We even had a President of the United States who was a Klan member (Harding). The Klan also had a major march on Washington DC in the 1920s that drew tens of thousands of marchers.
Yes, it is true that the Klan's membership is low right now. But keep in mind that the Klan has risen in popularity several times over that last 140 years and will again have a large following. The Klan is part of Americana that will never die out.
The National Alliance, on the other hand, has never achieved anything of significance after 30 years of existence. I cannot think of any political organization that sputtered as long as the National Alliance has and succeeded beyond marginalization.
My purpose is not to start a fight. My purpose is to point out that no one from the National Alliance can tell us that the Klan is past its usefulness when the NA has yet to prove its usefulness.
2004-05-17 09:32 | User Profile
Golfball Davey Crockett,
Yes what I have read Robert Miles seemed like a good man. Hell, "ethnic intimidation" the Afro told me every day they were going to kill me when I was in school. I recall the Afos once claimed a kid at my school was a Klansmen and beat him, the lucky kid got to go to a new school. Being "White" makes you a "Racist" and it's only a matter of time before the Marxists and/or their Afo/Mexican/Mongol goons come to kill you. I am sick of these NS type attacking everyone. We need to fight back not fight each other.
2004-05-18 21:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]I am sick of these NS type attacking everyone. We need to fight back not fight each other.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. That is why I will be looking into joining the Klan. Other nationalist groups may have a glossier shine to them right now, but over the long hual, the Klan will still be around.
Has anyone created a website dedicated to Robert Miles presenting his writings and speeches? If not, someone ought to. His ideas will put many of today's wanna-bes to shame.
"March separately.......strike together" -----Robert Miles.
2004-05-25 02:01 | User Profile
The Klan has been around and continues to exist. The Klan has name recognition. The Klan has a rich history helping our white race.
The Klan is good. :thumbsup:
2004-05-26 01:33 | User Profile
Davey Crockett,
Yes you are right, I understand he wrote one or more books and a good number of article. [QUOTE] Has anyone created a website dedicated to Robert Miles presenting his writings and speeches? If not, someone ought to. His ideas will put many of today's wanna-bes to shame. [/QUOTE]
I found on site on the history of the Michigan Klan.
[QUOTE]Ku Klux Klan Collection Since the acquisition of materials from the estate of a Michigan Klan member in the 1970s, this collection has grown in size and quality. Most of the primary items in the collection date from the 1920s and 1930s, a period of growth in the Klan's history. Constitutions, installation ceremonies, advertisements for Klan merchandise, and the role of women in the Klan are all included in this period. There are also over 20 issues of the Kourier, the official monthly magazine of the Knights of the KKK. (A full run of this title is on microfilm in the Microfilm Library, 1st floor East). Today the collection features a number of secondary studies of the Klan, as well as research materials used by Wyn Wade in his book, The Fiery Cross (1987).
Click for an inventory list of the United Klans of America Collection, an archive designated MS 202 in our catalog.
A selection of Klan documents is available for viewing here. Please click here to see the current list.
[url]http://www.lib.msu.edu/coll/main/spec_col/radicalism/klan.htm[/url]
[/QUOTE]
Google: Robert Miles klan [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=Robert+Miles+klan[/url]
2004-05-26 22:33 | User Profile
Thank you for the information. Cannot seem to get the links to work.
Question: Do public libraries have filters set in order to prevent KKK materials from being viewed?
2004-05-27 18:43 | User Profile
LOOKS LIKE SOME UN-PC STUFF IS GOING ON!
From the SPLC:
[QUOTE]The Year in Hate Issue 113 | Spring 2004
Ku Klux Klan: Around the country, Klan groups, which had been relatively unimportant on the radical right, seemed to surge. There was a large number of Klan rallies, cross-burnings, and other events. And several new groups appeared on the scene.
The Orion (for "our race is our nation") Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, based in Alabama, was started in early 2003 and was highly successful in building up membership, particularly in Florida. For a time, the Orion Knights' Orlando klavern (or local chapter) was led by a woman, former paralegal Jamie Flynn, although she was replaced in November.
In North Carolina, the Cleveland Knights of the Ku Klux Klan started operations last summer with Virgil Griffin as imperial wizard, or top official. (Griffin is the former leader of the Christian Knights, which was ordered to pay $15 million in damages in a 1998 civil lawsuit brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center over a South Carolina black church burned by Klansmen.) The Cleveland Knights has come on strong, holding four major rallies and absorbing another Klan group based in Tennessee.
The Georgia-based Southern White Knights, which temporarily went out of business in early 2003, was restarted last November and grew rapidly. A White Knights official in Ohio, Jeremy Parker, drew some attention when he posted pipe bomb-making instructions on the Internet in response to organizers of a Martin Luther King celebration. "Sure would hate to see anything happen," he wrote.
In Indiana, the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan gained three chapters and media attention. In Arkansas, Thom Robb's Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, one of the oldest of the nation's 45 current Klan organizations, was stirring. For the first time since 1999, non-headquarters chapters showed signs of real activity. [/QUOTE]
Also some thing to look at:
THE KLANSMAN
Word of the trouble spread around One day a man came to my town I was in the kitchen when my pa let him in He shook my hand, said, "The Klan's your friend"
Was a meeting at Lyle Stanton's house On the Jefferson Highway Some, they did not listen Some did not turn away
Said, "When the holy rain of fire Comes tumbling from above It'll be a Klansman Who stands for the land he loves"
Look away, look away now
I was ten years old when my pa said, "Son, some day you will see When you grow to wear the robes Like your brother and me
"When the war between the races Leaves us in a fiery [???] It'll be a Klansman Who will wipe this country clean This, son, is my dream
url: [url]http://www.xs4all.nl/~maroen/engels/lyrics...cs/theklans.htm[/url]
Bruce Springsteen LYRICS [url]http://www.xs4all.nl/~maroen/engels/tv.html[/url]
2004-05-31 14:57 | User Profile
I am sure glad that the idgets at the SPLC and ADL are missing the real picture and focusing on the high profile actions. :thumbsup:
Really, it is what they don't see that makes a difference.
Heh, heh, heh, I suppose something is happening. :D
2004-06-01 16:34 | User Profile
"In Indiana, the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan gained three chapters and media attention. In Arkansas, Thom Robb's Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, one of the oldest of the nation's 45 current Klan organizations, was stirring. For the first time since 1999, non-headquarters chapters showed signs of real activity."
What is happening is that many White Americans are fed up with how our country is going down the toilet and are searching for that one political organization that will not sell them out.
I, for one, am convinced that the Klan is the way to go. This past weekend, I visited Thom Robb's Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and came away with nothing but good impressions. All the Knights that I met had the qualities that every good Christian should have - honesty, generosity, friendliness, kindness, honor.
If I were to join any Klan, the Knights would be the one that I would choose. There is no secret handshakes or any of that type of foolishness. These are good Christian whites who are serious about our White future and our White children's future.
I am glad that I drove 18 hours to see the Knights personally. There is an old saying that a face is one's "resume". I had to see Pastor Robb's face and the faces of his family and congregation. In short, I am impressed and the Knights showed me that we can both fight for our race and be good Christians at the same time.
2004-06-15 18:15 | User Profile
Having read all of the posts, both pro and con, here are some of my comments:
1) Every anti-KKK comment is based on negative stereotypes of the KKK. Shall we all denounce every Catholic church for the conduct of a hndful of priests?
2) The KKK has had a record of coming back time and time again and winning the battle for our heritage. Now, how many times has the Klan risen from the ashes to save our culture? Four times, perhaps? None of the other popular choices today have made any lasting impact.
3) Keep in mind that the negative image of the Klan is the work of those who fear the Klan of ever rising again. Maybe all of you should think about that.
4) The media today is more concerned about massaging our thoughts than telling it like it is. No, it is not true that the Klan is looked down upon by the super-majority of people. There are many, including me, who have grown up knowing that our neighborhoods were safe due to the klan working with local law enforcement. We remember times when negros and other undesireables would never think to get off the freeway at our small town.
Now that the Klan has been run out of my hometown by the church of human rights, negros are now following teenage white girls home to attack them. There is no one around to stop this madness. Ask the parents of these young girls if they want the Klan to return. They will give you an honest answer.
2004-06-17 16:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Davey Crockett] .......... 3) Keep in mind that the negative image of the Klan is the work of those who fear the Klan of ever rising again. Maybe all of you should think about that.
4) The media today is more concerned about massaging our thoughts than telling it like it is. No, it is not true that the Klan is looked down upon by the super-majority of people. There are many, including me, who have grown up knowing that our neighborhoods were safe due to the klan working with local law enforcement.
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Very true. The negative image is presented by those that fear the Klan.
The Ku Klux Klan is though of very favorably by many whites and has instant name recognition amongst our race. Name recognition that we stand for God,( A Holy God of Segregation) Race, (Our precious White race) and Nation,(Here, we stand for Whites that live in America).
This is why the Ku Klux Klan continues to survive, because concerned Whites continues to exist in America.
2004-06-21 20:00 | User Profile
Here is another area to consider when thinking about joining the Klan or some other Neo-nazi white organization.
Only the Klan has a long history of hilarious or patriotic music to sing along to.
A friend gave me a CD of these country music titles:
"Ship them Back"
"Nigger Crematorium" (remember the black man in the funeral business who said his oven was broke and threw the bodies out in the back yard?)
"Looking for a Handout"
"Still Looking for a Handout"
"Niggers Never Die, They Just Smell That Way"
"Living Next To Niggers"
"Nigger Hatin' Me"
"Coontown"
"Let's Blow Up the Middle East"
Etc.
The music is funny and helps to keep white people from taking things too seriously or to let out some frustration in a positive way after having to deal with a dumb minority.
2004-06-21 20:37 | User Profile
Just in case you don't know, the n-word isn't nice. I would say I disapprove of the whole tone, except I understand venting frustration. Anyway, if you use African-American in disparaging contexts, you'll get them to adopt another name for their species.
"Ship them Back"
"African-American Crematorium" (remember the black man in the funeral business who said his oven was broke and threw the bodies out in the back yard?[It turned out that it wasn't broken.])
"Looking for a Shakedown"
"Still Looking for a Handout"
"African-Americans Never Die, They Just Smell That Way"
"Living Next To African-Americans"
"African-Americans Hatin' Me"
"Coontown"
2004-06-22 14:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Just in case you don't know, the n-word isn't nice.
......
"Ship them Back"
...... [/QUOTE] The song referred to above says, "Send those apes back to the trees and ship those niggers back".
The word "nigger" is just a noun. It means what some politely refer to as "negro".
"nigger", describes some individual of the black persuasion. Basically, the word "negro" is derived from the word nigger. - [I][B]Spanish[/B][/I] [U]neggar[/U]
Look at the following 1913 definition, scroll down to the word "Nigger" and closely examine how the following was added at a later date. [ -- in vulgar derision or depreciation. ]
[url]http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.page.sh?PAGE=975[/url]
Here is how the Politically Correct tries to paste over America's usage of the word "nigger" since before our nation was founded: [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nigger[/url]
It is interesting to note that the so called "Christians" (Modern day Judeo-Christians) that have placed the 1828 Webster dictionary online, omitted the word "nigger" because the actual definition does not have any politically correct definition for the word, "nigger".
The truth is that ANY description or descriptive term applied to negroes will be labled as: noun: (ethnic slur) offensive name for a Black person
Now, as to not upset the [URL=http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/N0052500.html]negrophiles[/URL] that frequent Original Dissent, I would ask that they look up the word, "nigger" in a word search. Pure and Simple, the word "nigger" means an individual that is black or from the black race.
2004-07-28 15:59 | User Profile
I was just trying to add a little humor, no harm or ill will was intended.
Now to change the subject:
This week, I checked out three books on the Ku Klux Klan. It should suprise no one here that each book was written by an author who was biased against the Klan. However, the books do provide some interesting history and sheds light on the mistakes made in the past.
The one clear lesson that stands out is that violence and immoral behavior will end any remaining chance the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan may have to regain the glory years of the 1920s.
2004-07-28 23:53 | User Profile
As you know an Irish with Spanish blood is called a black Irish, so, according to the way you guys like to talk then I am a "nigger Irish",,,,,,,, ??????????
Never seen a so called "nigger" with blond hair and green eyes so I must be different.
Lets face it guys, you are stuck with the blacks the same way that I am stuck with the Jews,,,,,,, nothing that we can do about either one.
For now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
2004-07-29 15:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]As you know an Irish with Spanish blood is called a black Irish, so, according to the way you guys like to talk then I am a "nigger Irish",,,,,,,, ??????????[/QUOTE] That did not come from The Knights. [QUOTE=Ponce] Never seen a so called "nigger" with blond hair and green eyes so I must be different.[/QUOTE] Nobody has referred to you as a "nigger" when addressing you that I know of. At least from my perspective. [QUOTE=Ponce] Lets face it guys, you are stuck with the blacks the same way that I am stuck with the Jews,,,,,,, nothing that we can do about either one.
For now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[/QUOTE] Not exactly, we implement positive change. We are small in number, so the changes implemented are small but they are made.
More folks have to get involved to make grander and bigger changes. I am working on that aspect as well.
2004-07-29 16:24 | User Profile
Sorry Golf, I was only making fun of you guys by what I wrote,,,,,,
No matter what I am, I am what I am, for that is what I am, and I am the sailor Ponce.
I am very happy by who and what I am, it takes people from every walk of life in order to make this world,,,,,,,, if that was not the case then we all would be in heaven for we all would be dead.
PS: I am using the world "heaven" as a curtesy to those of you who believe in that.
2004-07-30 17:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]
Not exactly, we implement positive change. We are small in number, so the changes implemented are small but they are made.
More folks have to get involved to make grander and bigger changes. I am working on that aspect as well.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what impression that I came away with when I met with Pastor Robb and Rachel Pendergraft earlier this year.
The Knights may be small in number, but as long as they honor God's laws and remain true, they will become an organization that will regain respect.
I have done alot of research lately and have come to the conclusion that the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan do in fact have the solid foundation to, I dare say, regain the political influence it once had in the early 1920s.
2004-07-30 18:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Davey Crockett]That is exactly what impression that I came away with when I met with Pastor Robb and Rachel Pendergraft earlier this year.
The Knights may be small in number, but as long as they honor God's laws and remain true, they will become an organization that will regain respect.
I have done alot of research lately and have come to the conclusion that the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan do in fact have the solid foundation to, I dare say, regain the political influence it once had in the early 1920s.[/QUOTE]Of course its all pointless, if they haven't also acquired the solid foundation of knowledge to avoid the mistakes they made in the 20's which caused them to be so widely abhorred among the general populace, namely the tolerance of hooliganism elements within their ranks, the widespread floggings, etc.
Pastor Robb is the only Klan leader who seems to have fundamentally recognized this. The question as always is this enough.
2004-08-06 20:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Of course its all pointless, if they haven't also acquired the solid foundation of knowledge to avoid the mistakes they made in the 20's which caused them to be so widely abhorred among the general populace, namely the tolerance of hooliganism elements within their ranks, the widespread floggings, etc.
Pastor Robb is the only Klan leader who seems to have fundamentally recognized this. The question as always is this enough.[/QUOTE]
The problem that I see today is that the media has full reign on smearing the Ku Klux Klan. The one thing that is very important today is to set an example, individually, within our communities, of what a noble Klansman is to be like.
All of my family and friends know exactly where I stand and respect my choice. Why? Because they have witnessed a transformation from mediocracy, to a man of convictions. People will notice that.
I estimate that I have waken up at least two dozens people within the last five months. Many of them are now racially aware. Can't say that they have taken the next step of studying the issues and background of "white nationalism." But that is expected. The vast majority of people will just go along with anyone who seems to make sense.
Living near Detroit makes converting people fairly easy. All they have to do is just turn on the news and pay attention to who is creating most of the violent crime.
Another recent trend that has white folks becoming more racially aware is seeing negro crime moving into all-white communities where just days ago they rarely locked their doors.
My sister just told me this week that for the first time in her life, she felt uneasy going about her business in her hometown. Our hometown now is seeing more and more negros coming in and disrespecting our communities.
In short, the best way to jump start a "white revolution" is to reform your life. Remind others of what it was like before the degeneration of our white culture some 40 years ago. If that fails, some negro will likely get their blood boiling.
2004-08-07 19:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Davey Crockett]The problem that I see today is that the media has full reign on smearing the Ku Klux Klan. The one thing that is very important today is to set an example, individually, within our communities, of what a noble Klansman is to be like.
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In short, the best way to jump start a "white revolution" is to reform your life. Remind others of what it was like before the degeneration of our white culture some 40 years ago. If that fails, some negro will likely get their blood boiling.[/QUOTE] Good Answer! Excellent response!
2004-09-08 19:40 | User Profile
Hey golfball, can you give us a report on the latest Congress?
2004-09-14 06:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Davey Crockett]Hey golfball, can you give us a report on the latest Congress?[/QUOTE]
Congress went very well this year. More folks are becoming involved in the effort to reach sleeping whites with our message. Several more members achieved the rank of Knight and took the oath of Knighthood.
Our grounds have improved and the White Christian Revival building has come a long way from just being a tent in front of the National Office.
The Knights continues to advance!
2004-09-15 04:47 | User Profile
Here, the Cross is made ready for the preparation to dispell darkness in the coming gloom.
2004-09-15 04:51 | User Profile
Klansmen and Klanswomen come together to light the fire of change and cause darkness to turn away and segregate from the light.
2004-09-15 04:55 | User Profile
Klansmen and Klanswomen salute Jesus Christ and His light that dispells the darkness which covers the world and all the people therein.
May Glory be to the most Holy God of Segregation!
In Jesus Christ
2004-09-16 17:00 | User Profile
Those pictures above are beautiful! :D
2004-09-17 03:29 | User Profile
golfball,
That is so un-PC . . . :lol:
2004-09-17 18:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]golfball,
That is so un-PC . . . :lol:[/QUOTE]
Yep. :thumbsup:
2004-09-28 05:07 | User Profile
More stuff:
[QUOTE]Cyclopædia of Political Science, Political Economy, and the Political History of the United States by the Best American and European Writers Published: New York: Maynard, Merrill, and Co., 1899.
KU-KLUX KLAN
KU-KLUX KLAN (IN U. S. HISTORY), a secret, oath-bound organization, otherwise known as "The Invisible Empire," "The White League," "The Knights of the White Camellia," or by other names, formed in the southern states during the reconstruction period, for the primary purpose of preventing the negroes, by intimidation, from voting, or holding office. Until the abolition of slavery necessity compelled a rigid policing of the black population by official or volunteer guards. (See SLAVERY.) The origin of the "ku-klux" order was in all probability a revival of the old slave police, at first sporadic, to counteract the organization of "loyal leagues," or "Lincoln brotherhoods," among the negroes, and afterward epidemic, as the process of reconstruction by congress began to take clear form. II.236.1
?The various moving causes which led to the reconstruction of southern state governments by congress are elsewhere given. (See RECONSTRUCTION .) When the preparations for reconstruction had gone far enough to make it reasonably certain that negro suffrage was to be the law in the south, the opposition, hopeless of open revolt, took the shape of this secret society. Attempts have been made to date its origin back to 1866, under the rule of Governor Brownlow in Tennessee; but the most probable date is early in 1867. The constitution mentioned below dates the first election of the order in May, 1867. The place of its origin is entirely unknown, and it was probably at first a congeries of associations in different states, originated without concert and from a common motive, and finally growing together and forming one combined organization in 1867. No authentic account of its origin, founder or date has come to light. II.236.2
?A "prescript," or constitution, of the order, discovered in 1871, shows an attempt to imitate the machinery of masonic and other similar societies. The name of the order is not given; its place is always filled by stars ( ). A local lodge is called a "den"; its master the "cyclops," and its members "ghouls." The county is a "province," and is controlled by a "grand giant" and four "goblins." The congressional district is a "dominion," controlled by a "grand titan" and six "furies." The state is a "realm," controlled by a "grand dragon" and eight "hydras." The whole "empire" is controlled by a "grand wizard" and ten "genii." The banner of the society was "in the form of an isosceles triangle, five feet long and three feet wide at the staff; the material yellow with a red scalloped border about three inches in width; painted upon it, in black, a Draco volans, or flying dragon, with the motto Quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus. " The origin, designs, mysteries and ritual were never to be written, but were to be communicated orally. The dress of the members, when in regalia, is not given, but is known to have been mainly a hood covering the head, with holes for the eyes and mouth, and descending low upon the breast; fantastic or horrible figures according to the owner's ingenuity; in other respects the ordinary dress. II.236.3
?A more effective plan could hardly have been devised with which to attack a race which was superstitious, emotional, and emasculated by centuries of slavery. Before it had been tried very long the cry of "ku-klux" was sufficient to break up almost any negro meeting at night; the suspicion that disguised horsemen were abroad at night was sufficient to keep every negro in his own cabin; and the more virile and courageous of their number, who had become marked as leaders, were left to whipping, maiming or murder at the hands of the "ghouls" without any assistance from their cowering associates. By day the negroes would fight, and often did so; by night the "ku-klux" had the field to themselves. II.236.4
?So long as the attacks of the order were confined to the negroes there was little need of any means more violent than whipping. A more difficult problem was that of the "carpet-baggers" and "scalawags," who with the negroes made up the republican party in the south. The "carpet-baggers" were northern men, whose interests in the south were supposed to be limited to the contents of their carpet-bags; the "scalawags" were southerners who, either from conviction or from interest, had joined the republican party and taken part in reconstruction. Neither of these classes was easily to be terrorized, and in their cases the order very easily drifted into murder, secret or open. Before the end of its third year of existence the control of the order had slipped from the hands of the influential men who had at first been willing, through it, to suppress what seemed to be the dangerous probabilities of negro suffrage, and had been seized by the more violent classes who used its machinery for the gratification of private malice, or for sheer love of murder. Even before the appointment of the final congressional investigating committee in 1871, the order had "departed from its political work, and gone into murder for hire and robbery." It had thus become dangerous to the very men who had at first tacitly or openly sanctioned its existence, and open attempts to suppress it were only checked by a fear of being classed among the "scalawags." II.236.5
?Throughout the winter of 1870-71 the ku-klux difficulties in the south were debated in congress, and a joint investigating committee was appointed by the two houses, March 21. Two days afterward a message from President Grant informed congress that the condition of affairs in the south made life and property insecure and interfered with the carrying of the mails and the collection of the revenue; and asked that congress would enact measures to suppress the disorders. The result was the passage of the so-called "force bill," April 20, 1871. Its provisions were as follows: 1, it gave federal courts cognizance of suits against any one who should deprive another of any rights, privileges or immunities secured by the constitution, "any law, regulation, custom or usage of a state to the contrary notwithstanding"; 2, it denounced punishment by fine, imprisonment, or both, against any conspiracy of two or more persons to overthrow, put down, destroy, or levy war against the government of the United States, to delay the execution of federal laws, or to deter any one from voting, holding office, or acting as a witness or juror in a federal court; 3, in case the state authorities were unable or unwilling to suppress disorders intended to deprive any class or portion of the people of their constitutional rights, it authorized the president to employ the federal land and naval forces or militia to suppress the disorders, and 4, to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus "during the continuance of such rebellion against the United States," the trial provision of the act of March 3, 1863, to remain in force (see HABEAS CORPUS ); 5, it authorized federal judges to exclude from juries persons whom they should judge to be in complicity with such conspiracy; 6, it gave a civil remedy to injured parties against persons who, having knowledge of conspiracy and power to prevent injuries being done, should neglect or refuse to do so; and 7, it confirmed former civil rights legislation. The habeas corpus section was to remain in force only until the end of the next regular session. II.236.6
?Oct. 12, 1871, President Grant issued a preliminary proclamation calling on members of illegal associations in nine counties of South Carolina to disperse and surrender their arms and disguises within five days. Five days afterward another proclamation issued, suspending the privileges of the writ of habeas corpus in the counties named. Arrests, to the number of 200, were at once made, and the more prominent persons implicated were prosecuted to conviction. In other parts of the south the organization was rapidly run to death, the most effectual provision being that which gave federal judges power to exclude suspected persons from juries. It is probable that the order was completely overthrown before the end of January, 1872. II.236.7
?The generic name of "ku-klux troubles," however, was still applied to the political and race conflicts which still continued in the south. The name was made more odious by the report of the joint congressional investigating committee, Feb. 19, 1872, in thirteen volumes, covering about 7,000 printed pages of testimony, which had been taken during the previous year. It only lacks such a collation and comparison of evidence as that of the English chief justice in the Tichborne case to make it one of the most valuable sources of information as to the social condition of the south during the reconstruction period. The reports of the majority and minority of the committee do not supply the need, for both are rather partisan than judicial. The majority (republican) report considered the issue between anarchy and law in the southern states fairly made up; the minority (democratic) report, while it did not deny that "bodies of armed men have, in several of the states of the south, been guilty of the most flagrant crimes," held that the perpetrators had no political significance, nor any support by the body of the people. The latter report seems to have been the more nearly correct at the time it was made, but only because the order itself had already become dangerous to both friends and foes. A line of citations from the volumes of the report is given below, from which the reader may learn the general features and purposes of the order. II.236.8
?At the following session of congress, May 17. 1872, a bill to extend the habeas corpus section of the "ku-klux" act for another session was taken up in the senate and passed. May 28, an attempt to suspend the rules in the house, so as to consider the bill, was lost, two-thirds not voting for it; and the bill was not further considered by the house. II.236.9
?The attempt to check negro suffrage in the south by the irresponsible action of disguised men, was practically abandoned after 1871. From that time such attempts were confined to open action, the presence of organized parties of whites at negro meetings, and the employment of every engine of the law by an active, determined and intelligent race. The results were the overthrow of the reconstructed state government in every southern state before 1878 (see INSURRECTION, II.; and the names of the states, particularly MISSISSIPPI and SOUTH CAROLINA) and the formation of the so-called "solid south" (See DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY, VI .) The indications, however, are very strong in 1882 that the "color line" in the south, if not already broken, will soon be broken, and that the white vote of the south will soon be divided into opposing parties, each determined on maintaining unimpaired the rights of its share of the colored vote. (See RECONSTRUCTION) II.236.10
?See Report of the Joint Select Committee on the Condition of Affairs in the Late Insurrectionary States, Report No. 22, part 1, 42d Congress, 2d Session, Feb. 19, 1872, as follows: 1:1, report of the majority (republican); 1:101, of the subcommittee on election laws; 1:289, of the minority (democratic); 1:589, journal of the committee; 13:35, constitution of the order; 8:452, probable origin; 2:208, 232, 11:274, 12:778, 1159 (cut), disguises; 4:653. oaths; 11:385, definition of "scalawag"; 7:764, definition of "carpet-bagger"; the most useful testimony to the reader is that of James L. Orr, South Carolina (3:1), D C. Forsyth, J. B. Gordon, and Carleton B. Cole, Georgia (6:19, 854, and 7:1182), Peter M. Dox, Lionel W. Day, and Wm. S. Mudd, Alabama (8:428, 590, and 10:1745). John A. Orr and G. W. Wells, Mississippi (12:697, 1147), and N. B. Forrest, Tennessee (13:3); Ku-Klux Trials (1871); the act of April 20, 1871, and proclamations of Oct. 12 and 17, are in 17 Stat. at Large 13, App. iii. (Nos. 3, 4).
ALEXANDER JOHNSTON.
[url]http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/Lalor/llCy627.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
2004-09-28 05:14 | User Profile
golfball,
You might enjoy this article.
[QUOTE]Some details about the Ku Klux Klan in pre-war Germany.
A chapter of the American Ku Klux Klan was founded in Germany during 1921. Two Americans, father and son, were the chief founders of the German Klan. Both men spoke fluent German and were of German descent. The father was Rev. Otto Strohschein, a naturalizes American citizen of German birth, his son's name was Gotthard, also a naturalized citizen.
The Strohscheins, with the help of a native born American, Donald B. Gray, went to Berlin in 1921. There, according to German police, they set about organizing the order known as the "Knights of the Fiery Cross". Which was patterned after the American KKK. The order was founded in February 1921. There were three degrees of membership. (The American Klan, itself, had not yet introduced the fourth degree of the KKK at this time.) The governing body of each Klavern consisted of 14 members know as "the Senate". There were three Klaverns in the various sections of Berlin, known as the Viking, Germania, and Heimdal; numbering altogether about 400 members. The provincial Klaverns were believed to bring the total to more then 1,000.
The three Americans tried to make the German Klan the exact counterpart of the KKK at home. It is believed, but unconfirmed, that they even made a trip back to America to bring about greater affiliations between the two orders. The German Klansmen soon objected to too much Americanization and practically threw the Americans out. Gray returned to the United States in the summer of 1925, and the Strohscheins went to Silesia to form new Klaverns there.
Richard Brant soon took over the order as the supreme leader and gave himself the title of "Wotan". Brant held an important position in the Siemens Electrical Works. He is also the one who wrote the oath of knighthood for the German Klan. It is interesting that part of that oath included this Masonic-like passage: "If, however, I should betray the aims of this order, I will take upon myself the most frightful martyrdom. All my bones shall be broken, my eyes shall be gouged out, my body drawn, quartered, and thrown to the vultures."
That should have attracted a multitude of new members.
At the meetings Klansmen wore white robes and hoods. In each Klavern there was a small table on which stood a small death's head and a sword. On the wall hung the flag of Imperial Germany and the flag of the (then) present German government. Initiation ceremonies were conducted at the Klaverns, but sometimes the Knights would take the prospective new members to the forest at night and conduct the ritual with blazing torches.
**The German Ku Klux Klan lasted until the early 1930's, when it was forced to disband by the newly installed Nazi government. Once established the Nazis began to persecute and even outlaw all organizations that were not founded or totally controlled by them. Thus ended the German Ku Klux Klan.**
Since W.W.II, there have been numerous attempts to establish branches of modern day Klan groups in Germany and many other countries. They all failed because these "Klan" groups were not Ku Klux Klan at all. They were merely neo-nazi groups playing at being Ku Klux. They knew nothing of true Klan ideology and preached nazism and not the true principles and purposes of the KKK. This led to great confusion on the part of the public and media, as well as people seeking true Klanishness. There is now a newly established European branch of the KKK that is aware of these mistakes and is taking measures to correct these misconceptions. While stating plainly that the Indiana Historical Research Foundation remains neutral we provide the e-mail address for the European branch of the KKK only as a means of providing information. Regardless of your opinion, if you seek information about the European KKK write: [email]grandgiant@hotmail.com[/email]
[url]http://www.kkklan.com/foreignklan.htm[/url] [/QUOTE]
2004-10-15 03:25 | User Profile
Thanks, that is an interesting read. At this time, I am getting ready to attend the Pulaski, Tenn. event.
2004-10-17 07:08 | User Profile
The Ku Klux Klan is an anachronism. Maybe it served a purpose in the aftermath of the War Between the States but it has long outlived its usefulness. It no longer a viable vehicle for racial change in America.
2004-10-20 03:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher] ....... It no longer a viable vehicle for racial change in America.[/QUOTE] Regardless of your misdirected statement, The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is here for racially aware white Christians that seek truth and fellowship for our kith and kin.
The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is not for everybody, but it is here for those of us that feel the calling.
2004-10-20 05:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]The Ku Klux Klan is an anachronism. Maybe it served a purpose in the aftermath of the War Between the States but it has long outlived its usefulness. It no longer a viable vehicle for racial change in America.[/QUOTE] And what is a viable vehicle for racial change in the US (at least for the better)?
Regarding the Klan, I'd have to say, like David Duke said when they asked him if he was a member of the Klan "which Klan?". And he wasn't joking - there never has been one Klan and certainly isn't now.
There are Klans who still at least talk as if they'd like to recreate some of the many unsavory and often stupid behaviors Klans were known for, but there are those like the Knights Party, which has made a very conscious effort to be smarter, more politically mainstream, and less like the traditional Klan.
They would be even more acceptable of course if they called themselves the west Pulaski GOP, and confined their efforts to fund raisers at country clubs. Part of the attraction of the Klan though, after all, is its mythic character, as the organization which almost singlehandedly helped restore a limited measure of self-government to the southern states after years of reconstruction occupation and opposession by the carpet baggers and scalawags. People attracted to political action often though not always, aren't usually your country club, literary, or artsy types.
And even if they were, and all posted on forums like this, do you think a whole lot more would be accomplished? :lol: Let's face it, people in glass houses shouldn't go around throwng stones.
2004-10-23 21:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]And what is a viable vehicle for racial change in the US (at least for the better)?
.............
:lol: Let's face it, people in glass houses shouldn't go around throwng stones.[/QUOTE]
Very wise words spoken here.
Myself, I do not want to break my neighbor's window. :thumbsup:
2004-10-24 20:20 | User Profile
Particularly todays klan groups which are all based of Hollywood movies and attract people that you would not even want to hang out in a bar with.
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]The Ku Klux Klan is an anachronism. Maybe it served a purpose in the aftermath of the War Between the States but it has long outlived its usefulness. It no longer a viable vehicle for racial change in America.[/QUOTE]
2004-10-25 14:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]Particularly todays klan groups which are all based of Hollywood movies and attract people that you would not even want to hang out in a bar with.[/QUOTE]That was one of the things Pastor Robb was thinking when he dispensed with the white robes and cross burnings and dropped the title "Imperial Wizard" for the comparatively pedestrian "National Director". He said he wanted to have an organization decent middle class Americans could join. Dispensing in general with the Hollywood type stuff.
2004-10-26 00:23 | User Profile
Well then, you would not have to worry about me too much. I don't care to visit bars and sit around drinking. If that is something that you like doing, then by all means, enjoy yourself.
I am not someone that you would take to a bar. :D
2004-12-02 17:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]It would be much easier to deal with the onslaught/attack on white culture without the Klan around. So yes, the Klan should cease to exist.[/QUOTE] Funny comming from an internet warrior.
2004-12-02 19:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Funny coming from an internet warrior.[/QUOTE]If the CoCC (Heritage's group) really did much I might at least understand his arguments more. But the fact of the matter is by all accounts the CoCC seems to be as you say, a purely paper organization.
Attacking others for their performance in undertaking tasks you acknowledge to be necessary but are unwilling/unable to perform yourself certainly doesn't strike one as a mark of effective leadership, or any help in creating a sense of unity or cohesion in the movement.
2004-12-02 20:42 | User Profile
I organize and hold more meetings per year than you have been to in your entire life.
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Funny comming from an internet warrior.[/QUOTE]
2004-12-02 20:44 | User Profile
The Council has dozens of active chapters. Last year alone Council chapters held dozens of public demonstrations.
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]If the CoCC (Heritage's group) really did much I might at least understand his arguments more. But the fact of the matter is by all accounts the CoCC seems to be as you say, a purely paper organization.
Attacking others for their performance in undertaking tasks you acknowledge to be necessary but are unwilling/unable to perform yourself certainly doesn't strike one as a mark of effective leadership, or any help in creating a sense of unity or cohesion in the movement.[/QUOTE]
2004-12-02 21:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]The Council has dozens of active chapters. Last year alone Council chapters held dozens of public demonstrations.[/QUOTE]Well good. My initial impression is that in general a lot more talking is done and a lot more action hinted at than is really accomplished, all the way around. Whoever has a good thing going even if its not the way we'd do things exactly - let's not jump to criticize, let's just let them run with it. That's my tendency.
2004-12-02 21:38 | User Profile
Very nice pictures.
It's always good to see nice traditions being upheld and the Klan has such a noble and proud history in the US. Even though I'm not American I'd hate to see the Klan disappear.
[QUOTE=golfball]Klansmen and Klanswomen come together to light the fire of change and cause darkness to turn away and segregate from the light.[/QUOTE]
2004-12-03 15:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]Thom Robb tries to put forth a good image, but even his Klan group attracts a bunch of real losers. Robb will tell you this himself.
Anyone that joins a Klan or Neo-Nazi group is pretty much doing the work of the ADL, SPLC, and others for them.
If all Klan and Neo-Nazis died out, the proffesional hate groups would have to start some of their own because they'd lose tens of millions in revenue.[/QUOTE] Why do internet warriors always run their mouth?
2004-12-04 03:34 | User Profile
[quote=Heritage Lost]Thom Robb tries to put forth a good image, but even his Klan group attracts a bunch of real losers. Robb will tell you this himself.
Anyone that joins a Klan or Neo-Nazi group is pretty much doing the work of the ADL, SPLC, and others for them.
If all Klan and Neo-Nazis died out, the proffesional hate groups would have to start some of their own because they'd lose tens of millions in revenue.[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Why do internet warriors always run their mouth?[/QUOTE] Well first KK they run their mouth cause that's one of the joys of internet anonymity. You can say whatever you want and not be responsible. That's not saying everything that people says is intended to be irresponsible or careless, but eventually you can tell pretty easily I think who is really trying to use it for productive purposes, and who is just blowing smoke. I personally though try to give people quite a bit of leeway.
Heritage is hitting again on one of the old issues here with the Klan, and its a complex one. It is true that organizations trying to achieve mass status, (like the Klan I think still does) do tend to have problems controlling their membership. There are a number of reasons for this. And we all know the alternative. David Duke for instance left the Klan, at least active participation in it, to start his own organization. Other people started up the NA I think for the same reason, they both felt superior for various reasons, ranging from vaguely plausible to really bad, to start their own elite organizations.
And what do these guys do now? Volkgeist I think describes them pretty well. They write books, give radio talk shows, and hold conferences about once a year. Just like any other media talking heads basically.
And also, they pretty much perform the same function for the SPLC and ADL as the Klan does, previous posters here have shown. SO I think the arguments you could make about the Klan could probably made about any type of WN organization to some extent, except the ones that are so careful in their methodology they they strive, and succeed to a large extent, in just being pretty much ignored by everybody.
HL may think the CoCC does great things, but personally I'm still not terribly convinced. To a large extent it seems to me to be just a very cautious and conservative version of the NA or Duke's organizations, without much grassroots support. Shute, if they're so strong, why can't they even run an effective forum of their own? I think they had one at one time, but they seemed to deliberately just let it run into the ground. As far as internet forums go, we're really by far the longest lasting one around. And that really isn't that much of a compliment for us as a terrible knock against any other organization that claims to be a real organization/threat to the status quo.
2004-12-04 04:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Heritage is hitting again on one of the old issues here with the Klan, and its a complex one. It is true that organizations trying to achieve mass status, (like the Klan I think still does) do tend to have problems controlling their membership. There are a number of reasons for this. And we all know the alternative........
HL may think the CoCC does great things, but personally I'm still not terribly convinced. To a large extent it seems to me to be just a very cautious and conservative version of the NA or Duke's organizations, without much grassroots support. Shute, if they're so strong, why can't they even run an effective forum of their own? I think they had one at one time, but they seemed to deliberately just let it run into the ground. As far as internet forums go, we're really by far the longest lasting one around. And that really isn't that much of a compliment for us as a terrible knock against any other organization that claims to be a real organization/threat to the status quo.[/QUOTE]I might add of course that this same argument, against mass, popular based organizations (i.e anything with more than 10 active members) could easily, maybe more easily, be used against internet forums such as ourselves. You don't think forums such as this provide potential fuel for the SPLC/ADL. Golly gosh, eveything we say is written down in stone (at least they cyberspace equivalent) and there for the world to see). And shute, the press manages to make Free Republic look like a bunch of looney erxtremists (militia site, I think that's the word for it).
I think in fact that's the general thinking among paleo annd moderate, (even some pretty far out for that matter) White Nationalist groups like the CoCC. Why don't any of them link to us, or otherwise reference us. (With the sole exception of Stormfront) Why do they never hear bleep about us? Because the bottom line is, its a lot easier to manage people who just sit quietly in their houses, pay their dues once a year, and kep their nose clean and mouths shut, not saying much of anything about politics except maybe to their dogs.
Managing people in democratic settings/venues such as this is hard. Sometimes very hard. That to tell the truth is even why perhaps we don't try harder to expand than we have. The world is full of people with opinions and criticism. People who are willing to do anything are rare, let alone enough to make genuinely constructive progress.
That's why I am generally so unwilling to criticize other groups who, in their own way are doing something (except for not linking to us sometimes :lol:)
2004-12-04 18:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]I organize and hold more meetings per year than you have been to in your entire life.[/QUOTE]Sorry, never heard of you. Holding rallies with 15 people doesn't impress me. The American Knights(Jerry Springer Klan) also held tons of rallies, so what is your point?
2004-12-13 03:09 | User Profile
heritagelost is the classic example of sour grapes. He may have been a member at some aforementioned time, but for his own reasons, he left the Klan. [Or he may have been kicked out] I have no special regard or feelings for the individual myself.
Kentucky Knight, it seems there will always be the disenfranchised and deluded individuals out there just like heritagelost, that is something we are not responsible for. If they feel better by showing whites how far out in left field that they are, more power to them.
When so called "whites" that say or appear to support white organizations, come out and cuss the Klan, they are no better than the run of the mill homosexual or other communist deviant.
As far as I am concerned, they can take a number, then show white people how well they can snivel and whine.
2004-12-13 03:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Very nice pictures.
It's always good to see nice traditions being upheld and the Klan has such a noble and proud history in the US. Even though I'm not American I'd hate to see the Klan disappear.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! That was from this past September 2004.
We may be invisible from time to time, but we are here to stay! [At least until we are not needed anymore] :thumbsup:
2004-12-13 04:31 | User Profile
[B][At least until we are not needed anymore] [/B]
I'm afraid that the Klan and like-minded organizations will always be needed.
2004-12-17 16:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]**[At least until we are not needed anymore] **
I'm afraid that the Klan and like-minded organizations will always be needed.[/QUOTE] I agree. We need people who actually do things instead of internet posters who type about blacks having low IQ's.
2004-12-17 18:56 | User Profile
None of you have a clue in hell what you are talking about.
How many of you have your name picture and personel information plastered all over the internet. How many have been in the media standing up for what you believe.
[url]http://www.heritagelost.org[/url]
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Funny comming from an internet warrior.[/QUOTE]
2004-12-17 19:06 | User Profile
The Klan is outdated. Really, there must be more FBI informants within the KKK than actual activists. The Klans effectiveness was as a militant secret society that would, if needed, take the law into its own hands. This function is checkmated because of government infiltration. If your daughter is raped by Leroy down the street and then Leroy walks free it would do no one any good to contact the KKK because it would be about the same as contacting a government agency, sorry to say. In fact, in present day America, I doubt the effectiveness of any secret societies. I doubt if there are any, or can be.
2004-12-17 19:20 | User Profile
If this a fact? By "all accounts" you say? Oh, if it is by "all accounts" it just has to be true, now doesn't it?
When is the last time that any Klan organization anywhere published a 24 page newspaper, held an indoor conference with over 250 (450 in ashville 2001) people paying $30 a piece to attend, held public demonstrations in different parts of the country on the same weekend, had current state congressmen speak at meetings, had a governor to be attend a bbq/rally and allow himself to be photographed by leaders then refuse to denounce the group when attacked by the media, maintained a once a week live call in radio show on an actual AM talk radio station, had conservative radio hosts in different parts of the country promote you and give out your address over the air?
[url]www.cofcc.org[/url]
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]If the CoCC (Heritage's group) really did much I might at least understand his arguments more. But the fact of the matter is by all accounts the CoCC seems to be as you say, a purely paper organization.
Attacking others for their performance in undertaking tasks you acknowledge to be necessary but are unwilling/unable to perform yourself certainly doesn't strike one as a mark of effective leadership, or any help in creating a sense of unity or cohesion in the movement.[/QUOTE]
2004-12-18 08:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]If this a fact? By "all accounts" you say? Oh, if it is by "all accounts" it just has to be true, now doesn't it?
When is the last time that any Klan organization anywhere..... [url]www.cofcc.org[/url][/QUOTE] Well I know there are arguments the Klan can make. The do have their Pulaski meeting, and I'm sure radio shows (such as Duke, etc.) I suppose.
But basically, not to belittle anyone, neither one of you guys really as I see it is taking the world by storm now. If you feel you're doing good work fine. Obviously the CofCC aims at a slightly different person, who in some areas (such as getting some marks occasionally of public respectability or even approval in places such as Mississippi) are going to achieve more. That doesn't mean though one has to belittle the other. I just don't see the point really. Not everyone in the world is going to have a Ph.D, and I don't see why they should have to.
2004-12-20 07:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Well I know there are arguments the Klan can make. The do have their Pulaski meeting, and I'm sure radio shows (such as Duke, etc.) I suppose.
But basically, not to belittle anyone, neither one of you guys really as I see it is taking the world by storm now. If you feel you're doing good work fine. Obviously the CofCC aims at a slightly different person, who in some areas (such as getting some marks occasionally of public respectability or even approval in places such as Mississippi) are going to achieve more. That doesn't mean though one has to belittle the other. I just don't see the point really. Not everyone in the world is going to have a Ph.D, and I don't see why they should have to.[/QUOTE]
You are right Okiereddust, it does not serve any positive purpose to belittle other's efforts regardless of what kind of activity or progress is made. It is quite the elementary school yard tactic to employ name calling.
Regardless of heritagelost or his chosen activism, I still like the Council of Conservative Citizens and what they are doing. There are quite a surprising number of their membership that likes the Klan.
2004-12-20 07:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu] The Klan is outdated.[/QUOTE] Yeah, right. [QUOTE=Bardamu] Really, there must be more FBI informants within the KKK than actual activists.[/QUOTE] If there are, then they would keep the trouble down. [QUOTE=Bardamu] The Klans effectiveness was as a militant secret society that would, if needed, take the law into its own hands. This function is checkmated because of government infiltration.[/QUOTE] Did you learn that from the DISCOVERY channel? No wait, the HISTORY channel? (heh,heh,heh,...) [QUOTE=Bardamu] If your daughter is raped by Leroy down the street and then Leroy walks free it would do no one any good to contact the KKK because it would be about the same as contacting a government agency, sorry to say.[/QUOTE] I guess you would crap in your pants to find that the Klan still makes house calls. As for "government" personel, we want them on our side and they are welcome to join. If someone fails to note that their daughter is hanging around in the wrong side of town, there is not much that could be done about unfortunate circumstances. If "Leroy" mis-stepped around my daughter, "Leroy" would not be alive to strut around and boast about it. [QUOTE=Bardamu] In fact, in present day America, I doubt the effectiveness of any secret societies. I doubt if there are any, or can be.[/QUOTE] I doubt that you can be effective for our race as well as a Pro-white organization.
2004-12-20 09:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]The Klan is outdated. Really, there must be more FBI informants within the KKK than actual activists. The Klans effectiveness was as a militant secret society that would, if needed, take the law into its own hands. This function is checkmated because of government infiltration. If your daughter is raped by Leroy down the street and then Leroy walks free it would do no one any good to contact the KKK because it would be about the same as contacting a government agency, sorry to say. In fact, in present day America, I doubt the effectiveness of any secret societies. I doubt if there are any, or can be.[/QUOTE]You do give one of the big arguments against organzations like the Klan, at least what the Klan has traditionally been known as. Clearly there are great limits to what a clandenstine organization, and the clandenstine tactics it traditionally used or at least got much of its fame and noteriety for, can do.
I think though the emphasis on the Klan's secret nature is somewhat misleading. Clearly the whole idea of the robed men riding horses in the night was a powerful concept, (intimidation was part of its effectiveness) which captured the imagination. But it was never really "secret" per se, it just had the appearance of secretness to people who were far outside the orbit of southern society, (the blacks and carpetbaggers). Everyone else knew who they were after all. The Klan's effectiveness really was that of a mainstream political organization, which must function in some unorthodox ways because of historical idiosynchrocies. The same way the Mafia is really the unofficial but effectual ruling organization on Sicily.
Clearly an organization, or rather an almost mythical concept like the Klan (the "Klan" after all never has never had any centralized organizational unity), cannot use the tactics it did before, and if it is going to remain effective and viable, will have to adapt its methods to the new age which we undertsand an inhabit here.
I still think there are room for concrete organizations, but if groups tht still call themselves the Klan are going to be effective, I think they wil practically have to adopt the tactics of groups like the CoCC. The world is changing, and they just have to adapt to it. Which of course in a number of ways people like Robb sort of epitimizes with the Klan network. I can understand those though that still have their doubts. I have not yet heard a really coherent plan of political activism from anyone frankly, that's partly why I'm so hestitant to criticize groups, except for flaws that I think are deeply and fundamentally imbeded (like the NA's doctrinaire Nazi atheism). Right now I think we all live in a glass house, that's why I think its stupid to throw stones. At the same time, its not out of line to point out for the same reason that we really need to wear some clothes when people drive by. :lol:
2004-12-21 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]
I guess you would crap in your pants to find that the Klan still makes house calls. As for "government" personel, we want them on our side and they are welcome to join.
[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine the Klan trying to intimidate anyone these days, but then I don't live in the South and possibly things are different down there. The two regions of the country that I know well are Northern California and Des Moines, and in neither of these places does the Klan have any stature of any positive kind at all. You are aware that you could make money for the Klan by offering to support a cause and the people you are offering help would cough up money for you to stay away? You could actually blackmail either political party just by threatening to endorse them, and you could do it regularly every election cycle. I'm not trying to offend you, I am just speaking the plain truth: the KKK is a negative value for the Occidental cause.
2004-12-21 06:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I can't imagine the Klan trying to intimidate anyone these days, but then I don't live in the South and possibly things are different down there. The two regions of the country that I know well are Northern California and Des Moines, and in neither of these places does the Klan have any stature of any positive kind at all....... I'm not trying to offend you, I am just speaking the plain truth: the KKK is a negative value for the Occidental cause.[/QUOTE]No doubt if those were the only places you ever lived much, you wouldn't have a very high opinion of the Klan's reputation. :lol: For that matter at a minimum in lot of places in the South it doesn't rate much higher really, where they pretty distance themselves from images associated with the ignorant backwoods redneck.
There have always been skepticism about the Klan from some pretty credentialed white Patriots. Read for instance the Skunk - [URL=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=293139107&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post293139107]The Jewish Involvement In the Ku Klux Klan[/URL]
2004-12-21 13:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]No doubt if those were the only places you ever lived much, you wouldn't have a very high opinion of the Klan's reputation. :lol: For that matter at a minimum in lot of places in the South it doesn't rate much higher really, where they pretty distance themselves from images associated with the ignorant backwoods redneck.
There have always been skepticism about the Klan from some pretty credentialed white Patriots. Read for instance the Skunk - [URL=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=293139107&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post293139107]The Jewish Involvement In the Ku Klux Klan[/URL][/QUOTE]
Where exactly does the Klan's reputation transcend the "ignorant backwoods redneck"?
You consider the Skunk a "credentialed white Patriot". Really? :lol:
2004-12-22 06:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Where exactly does the Klan's reputation transcend the "ignorant backwoods redneck"? No place. But neither for that matter do most things southern - country music, fundamentalist Christianity, southern mannerisms and culture in general, have that reputation, as does most things in rural heartland America in general.
The Klan, coming from the most rural and southern areas of the country, naturally especially personifies a lot of things in this genre.
I'd say the argument over the Klan is similar to that over the Hollywood Nazi's. As many become involved in nationalism initially, due to their distrust of PC, start to view the standard criticism of national socialism in all respects with a certain amount of skepticism. However, to move on IMO they must realize that just because Nazi's have a bad reputation doesn't mean they were automatically angels. If they stay with NS, carcicatured by the Hollywood Nazi types, they won't go anywhere. (Franco are you listening?)
Now there are some people who maintain that an intelligent defense of certain aspects of NS can still be maintained. Triskelion and his allies personified this for a while and won for a while many admirers. Which I didn't begrudge, especially before I knew he was a fake.
A similar argument I think could be made for some aspect of Klan history. That doesn't necessarily mean that it should prevail even if made by someone as obviously gifted as "Triskelion" (whoever he was) did. It also doesn't mean that anyone is around here to make it, like Triskelion was.
The negative feelings about the Klan are nothing new. David Duke expressed similar feelings as the reason he chose to no longer work within the Klan. Obviously anyone who chooses to out the "Klan" label on whatever they're doing immediataely aquires a great deal of negative baggage from a PR standpoint, and if David Duke couldn't overcome it, I doubt anyone can frankly. So in a sense you're right. The only thing I think the KKKers can argue for is that for all their baggage, no one has ever really come up with any sort of WN organization of any kind that really has any sort of broad organizational structure. (HL's advocacy of the CofCC notwithstanding). The NA personifies this, besides of course having an ideology that is so fundamentally to Americans and their beliefs, culture, and folkways. So I think the difficulties of Klan umbrella organizations can still not be proved to be qulitatively different than those of [B]any[/B] organization that openly embraces WN. Until it is, I think its unwise to completely write them and their efforts off.
You consider the Skunk a "credentialed white Patriot". Really? :lol:[/QUOTE]He's obviously in certain ways a smart man, who works very hard hard and has some original perspectives. In fact I doubt anyone in cyberspace works harder for WN than he. Comparatively speaking, (granted in the generally ignominious world of cyberspace personalities) that's got to count for something.
2004-12-25 11:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I can't imagine the Klan trying to intimidate anyone these days, but then I don't live in the South and possibly things are different down there. The two regions of the country that I know well are Northern California and Des Moines, and in neither of these places does the Klan have any stature of any positive kind at all. You are aware that you could make money for the Klan by offering to support a cause and the people you are offering help would cough up money for you to stay away? You could actually blackmail either political party just by threatening to endorse them, and you could do it regularly every election cycle. I'm not trying to offend you, I am just speaking the plain truth: the KKK is a negative value for the Occidental cause.[/QUOTE]
Heh,heh,heh...
No, we are not into blackmail, like Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow/PUSH crew.
If your idea of the Klan comes to you through Jewish corrupted influences, then it is only natural for you to have a negative image of the KKK.
You don't offend me, you just need to apply practical values when someone says the KKK is bad for whites.
KKK is for whites Jews are not for whites Negroes are not for whites Mexicans are not for whites Other than white(s) are not for whites KKK is for whites :thumbsup:
2004-12-27 06:43 | User Profile
Whites must stand up for Whites and for the Christian Faith. No one else would.
2004-12-30 02:27 | User Profile
Although there are those that hate the Klan, they themselves will not do any better. That is why the Klan is still around. The Knights stands for God, Race and Nation just as it always has.
I appreciate seeing other groups try to help our race, but never at the expense of denigrating other pro-white groups. :thumbsup:
2005-01-04 19:20 | User Profile
Hey Golfball. Is this your picture from Stormfront?
[QUOTE=golfball]Although there are those that hate the Klan, they themselves will not do any better. That is why the Klan is still around. The Knights stands for God, Race and Nation just as it always has.
I appreciate seeing other groups try to help our race, but never at the expense of denigrating other pro-white groups. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
2005-01-04 20:40 | User Profile
Don't be afraid of those who you know they are but rather of those who you don't know who they are.
2005-01-05 01:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]Hey Golfball. Is this your picture from Stormfront?[/QUOTE] No. :D
2005-01-05 01:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Don't be afraid of those who you know they are but rather of those who you don't know who they are.[/QUOTE] Don't worry about what you can see when you should be concerned by what you can't see. :thumbsup:
2005-01-05 18:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]I sometimes put it like this,...
Don't worry about what you can see when you should be concerned by what you can't see. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE] Are you referring to "the invisible empire"?
2005-01-08 03:48 | User Profile
Yes, it is the "Invisible" empire. I suppose that whites that work together in a fashion that is invisible to the naked eye would be mysterious to some and alarming to others. While I do some of my best work in the "invisible" mode, my efforts bring forth fruit that can be enjoyed by our race.
It is important to remember that if their is just one apple tree, then you will not have very many apples. But, if that tree spreads it seeds and they take root, then more trees will grow and produce fruitiful efforts, or the "good fruits". All in all, we need more trees. :thumbsup:
2005-01-08 05:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]Yes, it is the "Invisible" empire. I suppose that whites that work together in a fashion that is invisible to the naked eye would be mysterious to some and alarming to others. While I do some of my best work in the "invisible" mode, my efforts bring forth fruit that can be enjoyed by our race.
It is important to remember that if their is just one apple tree, then you will not have very many apples. But, if that tree spreads it seeds and they take root, then more trees will grow and produce fruitiful efforts, or the "good fruits". All in all, we need more trees. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]You're talking about mass propaganda and the need for a mass movement in other words. And here one must be flexible, sophisticated, and adaptable.
And I don't know if what I've seen so far suggests that's really the case with the organizations I've seen. As Moeller van den Brock said "every people and every age has its own [I]daemon [/I] (i.e. genius). I just don't see right now that these organizations represent the genius of our age. The arguments of other have a certain point about baggage have a certain point and CI's doctrines to me seem to represent some of that baggage. Today's "invisible" organizations just sem to harkin back to the romantic ages of yore. I'm not against romanticism, but to a certain extent it never served the South well even 140 years ago. Let alone now. A real spirit of realism is needed, and its something I haven't really seen, even after looking a fair amount. Somehw there's got to be a better way.
Remember, apple trees don't spread by themselves, they need the squirrels. You'll need to find your own squirrels before you start talking about making a new forest. And do something about those owls.
2005-01-12 16:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]None of you have a clue in hell what you are talking about.
How many of you have your name picture and personel information plastered all over the internet. How many have been in the media standing up for what you believe.
[url="http://www.heritagelost.org"]http://www.heritagelost.org[/url][/QUOTE]
You are joking right? You look like a kike. You hardly look white. If the COC is letting half spics and Jews join, count me out. What was your real last name before you changed it to Rogers, Isaac, Stein, or Reuben?
2005-01-14 16:53 | User Profile
[COLOR=Black]Hello,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Black]You all give nativism a bogus representation. As well as Anti-Catholicism, when people here those two phrases the bulk of tha Mtv and woodstock generation associate them with tha Klan. Not because you made them up. But because tha socialists have succeeded in placing then in your realm. Along with states rights and all that. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=Black]Thanks for nothin![/COLOR] [COLOR=Black]WesleyWes[/COLOR]
:pimp:
2005-01-14 17:54 | User Profile
Invisible empires of a political nature, other than government secret police, are dead in the age of information. It seems to be true that all secret societies of any capacity larger than private friendships have to have the connivance of the governing authorities, otherwise the police simply infiltrate them with informers and provocateurs.
2005-01-14 18:11 | User Profile
Another thing Ive noticed about police infiltration is they send in high IQ agents who naturally end-up in leadership positions, so the sargent at arms or the treasurer or even the CEO himself is actually a double-agent. I don't know the answer to the dilemma. Maybe some sort of extended cell structure based on personal vetting.
2005-01-14 18:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Another thing Ive noticed about police infiltration is they send in high IQ agents who naturally end-up in leadership positions, so the sargent at arms or the treasurer or even the CEO himself is actually a double-agent. I don't know the answer to the dilemma. Maybe some sort of extended cell structure based on personal vetting.[/QUOTE] Bardamu -- Have you ever read [u]The Man Who Was Thursday[/u], by G. K. Chesterton? In it, a man is sent undercover by the police to infiltrate the high council of an anarchist group. It eventually comes to light that every man on the council is actually an undercover agent.
2005-01-14 18:57 | User Profile
No, Ive haven't read it, but the premise is realistic enough. Nowadays the anarchist group would be protected whereas patriotic organizations are infiltrated.
2005-01-26 17:16 | User Profile
Big words from an anonymous poster who doesn't give out their own identity or picture. Especially since the Klan is full of extremely dark "imperial taco vendors."
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]You are joking right? You look like a kike. You hardly look white. If the COC is letting half spics and Jews join, count me out. What was your real last name before you changed it to Rogers, Isaac, Stein, or Reuben?[/QUOTE]
2005-01-26 17:56 | User Profile
That photo was posted on stormfront by a guy claiming to be a member of Thom Robb's group.
[QUOTE=golfball]No. :D[/QUOTE]
2005-01-26 17:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]........
Remember, apple trees don't spread by themselves, they need the squirrels. You'll need to find your own squirrels before you start talking about making a new forest. And do something about those owls.[/QUOTE]
You are right! We have the "squirrels" and "owls" in my area already! A fine example of the internet equivalent is that the "squirrels" here would be likened to: heritagelost Bardamu WesleyWes
Where the "owls" would be likened to: Okiereddust Texas Dissident Sertorius
Yes, all of these elements are necessary to grow an orchard, or forest.
2005-01-26 18:02 | User Profile
The North Carolina CofCC has held 18 public anti-immigration rallies in the past couple years. In one city they had 150 demonstrators.
During the 1990's the South Carolina CofCC held Confederate Flag rallies. In 1999 our rally at the statehouse had 1,000 people. This led to the formation of a multi-group coalition with the CofCC that held the largest Confederate Flag rally in recent history with over 6,000 people.
In Mississippi, the CofCC routinely holds meetings and rallies with attendance in the hundreds.
The CofCC is having meetings somewhere in the country every single week of the year.
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Sorry, never heard of you. Holding rallies with 15 people doesn't impress me. The American Knights(Jerry Springer Klan) also held tons of rallies, so what is your point?[/QUOTE]
2005-01-26 18:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Invisible empires of a political nature, other than government secret police, are dead in the age of information. .................. [/QUOTE] Heh, heh, heh,.. Buddy, that's Classic!
When referring to things unseen or unknown, declare it dead or non-existent.
That is good! :beer: :thumbsup:
2005-01-26 18:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]The North Carolina CofCC has held 18 public anti-immigration rallies in the past couple years. In one city they had 150 demonstrators.
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heritagelost, do you know your state Senator or state Representative, or your two U.S. Senators or your U.S. Representative?
If you do, when was the last time you contacted them?
2005-01-27 01:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=golfball]Where the "owls" would be likened to: Okiereddust Texas Dissident Sertorius
Yes, all of these elements are necessary to grow an orchard, or forest.[/QUOTE]You're a "hoot". :lol:
2005-01-27 02:37 | User Profile
I have detailed printouts on South Carolina's 6 Reps and 2 Senators. I just sent all eight a letter outlining why amnesty is bad for South Carolina and requested a signed statement expressing their stand on amnesty.
I am developing a program in South Carolina with others to launch petition drives, letter writting drives and demonstrations in districts of any state rep that is in favor of amnesty.
On a side note I'm working with a production assistant for a NOW on PBS to provide photos of past anti-immigration rallies in North Carolina.
[QUOTE=golfball]heritagelost, do you know your state Senator or state Representative, or your two U.S. Senators or your U.S. Representative?
If you do, when was the last time you contacted them?[/QUOTE]
2005-01-28 03:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost] I have detailed printouts on South Carolina's 6 Reps and 2 Senators. I just sent all eight a letter outlining why amnesty is bad for South Carolina and requested a signed statement expressing their stand on amnesty.[/QUOTE] You are speaking of the U.S. Representatives of your state as well as your U.S. Senators. When I contact my 1 U.S. Representative and my 2 U.S. Senators, I bring to their attention my concerns or interests relating to the national level. I rarely contact the other U.S. Representatives for Arkansas because I do not live in their district.
I noticed that you do not concern yourself with in state government. Do you know what district your in-state Representative stands for?
What about the district of your in-state Senator?
I keep in touch with my Arkansas Representative and Arkansas Senator as well as other legislators relating to the interests and concerns of our race and children. [QUOTE=heritagelost] I am developing a program in South Carolina with others to launch petition drives, letter writting drives and demonstrations in districts of any state rep that is in favor of amnesty.[/QUOTE] That is GREAT! The Knights already has a program in place for the state of Arkansas as well as inroads to the state legislature. Members in the state of Arkansas helps keep the National Office informed of new legislation and efforts from subversive groups (such as the N.A.A.C.P. and La Raza) that have designs on subverting the rule of law into their favor. [QUOTE=heritagelost] On a side note I'm working with a production assistant for a NOW on PBS to provide photos of past anti-immigration rallies in North Carolina.[/QUOTE] Maybe you would like to see how PBS will use those pictures? Here is a good example: [url]www.pbs.org/mattersofrace/yourthoughts.shtml[/url]