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Thread ID: 11470 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-12-14
2003-12-14 13:56 | User Profile
[I]I really don't know what to say.........except that Emperor George Bush II is our Commander and Cheif until 2008 and at least 4 more wars before he is done.......sheeeeeooot.[/I]
[SIZE=4][B]Saddam Captured in Raid Near Tikrit [/B] [/SIZE] [IMG]http://www.foxnews.com/images/110521/10_46_121403_hussein.jpg[/IMG]
Sunday, December 14, 2003
BAGHDAD, Iraq ââ¬â Without a single shot being fired, U.S. military forces captured former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein as he hid in the bottom of a hole in a home near Tikrit, officials announced at a Baghdad press conference.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him," L. Paul Bremer (search), the U.S. administrator in Iraq, announced. "The tyrant is a prisoner."
Bremer said that Saddam was captured Saturday at 8:30 p.m. in a cellar in the town of Adwar, 10 miles from Tikrit, ending one of the most intense manhunts in history.
Officials showed a videotape of the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure by the U.S.-led coalition as he was being inspected following his capture. He had a long black-and-gray beard and unkempt black hair. Journalists were then shown a video of Saddam after he was shaved.
Iraqi journalists in the audience stood, pointed and shouted "Death to Saddam!" and "Down with Saddam!"
In the capital, radio stations played celebratory music, residents fired small arms in the air in celebration and others drove through the streets, shouting, "They got Saddam! They got Saddam!"
About 600 U.S. troops took part in Operation Red Dawn, said Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez (search), the top American general in Iraq. Two other Iraqis were captured along with Saddam, who was found with $750,000 in U.S. currency, Sanchez said.
The operation began after the military received tips from local residents as well as unspecified intelligence, Sanchez said. About 90 minutes after receiving the intelligence, the military launched the raid.
Troops with Task Force 2, the special forces unit set up to go after Saddam, surrounded a farmhouse and looked for Saddam in two specific locations -- dubbed Wolverine One and Wolverine Two -- but initially did not locate him.
The search of the home continued and troops discovered a small hole in the ground. Inside the hole, which dropped about 6 feet into the ground, was Saddam. An exhaust fan had been installed, indicating the so-called spider hole was an emergency hiding spot.
Sanchez said he had no idea how long Saddam had been at the Tikrit location and could not say if anyone had stepped forward to claim the multi-million dollar reward for his capture.
"Today is a great day for Iraq and the Iraqi people," Sanchez said.
Asked about Saddam's state at the time of his capture, Sanchez said: "He was a tired man, also a man resigned to his fate."
Saddam is talkative and is being cooperative, the general said. He is being held at an undisclosed location.
President Bush (search) has yet to comment on the capture. Bush first learned Saturday afternoon that Saddam may have been seized and he got the news early Sunday that the military in fact had taken Saddam into custody.
A delegation of the Iraqi Governing Council hopes to visit Saddam in captivity later Sunday, a spokesman for the council said.
"With the arrest of Saddam, the source financing terrorists has been destroyed and terrorist attacks will come to an end. Now we can establish a durable stability and security in Iraq," said council member Jalal Talabani.
In Baghdad, residents fired small arms in the air in celebration, and gunfire echoed in neighborhoods across the city. Earlier in the day, rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk, a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.
"We are celebrating like it's a wedding," said Kirkuk resident Mustapha Sheriff. "We are finally rid of that criminal."
"This is the joy of a lifetime," said Ali Al-Bashiri, another resident. "I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule."
Fox News' Bret Baier, Rita Cosby and Jim Angle and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105706,00.html[/url]
2003-12-14 14:21 | User Profile
Well, it makes for a nice steaming plate of Lemming Chow, but it's totally meaningless. Someone who was no threat to the US gets captured at a cost of tens of billions of dollars. Whoopee.
2003-12-14 15:35 | User Profile
Depending on the circumstances that he is put on trial under this could turn out to be quite revealing and embarrassing to some people. Despite his capture, I don't think that the attacks will end. The neo-cons are making a big deal about public celebrations of this capture, but that only means that he isn't liked. It doesn't mean they approve of us being over there.
I hope he gets a public trial where the activities of our beloved multinationals and politicians comes out in the fullest. I particularly would like to hear about Rumsfelds' efforts for Bechtel to build a pipeline from Mosul to Aqaba back in '83.
The powers that be may rue the day he was taken alive.
2003-12-14 15:47 | User Profile
Well I see Faux News' Cosby and Baier helped the AP out with this one. Isn't that conveeeenient.
I know what you mean, xmh. This is what the lemmings had hoped for; this very well may ensure that Boosh has another four years in office to continue the same sh*t he's been doing for the past four years. I wouldn't be surprised if Boosh promises wars on every Israeli enemy for the next four years.
Just the thought alone that America invaded a country that was no threat to them shows that they are ruthless to the core, and that they'll follow any Israeli order.
2003-12-14 16:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]Well, it makes for a nice steaming plate of Lemming Chow, but it's totally meaningless. Someone who was no threat to the US gets captured at a cost of tens of billions of dollars. Whoopee.[/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. Lives, limbs, and billions upon billions of dollars lost -- for what? Certainly not for the sake of the US, although our puppeteers in Israel certainly benefitted.
2003-12-14 18:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius][COLOR=Red]Depending on the circumstances that he is put on trial under this could turn out to be quite revealing and embarrassing to some people. [/COLOR] Despite his capture, I don't think that the attacks will end. The neo-cons are making a big deal about public celebrations of this capture, but that only means that he isn't liked. It doesn't mean they approve of us being over there.
[COLOR=Red]I hope he gets a public trial where the activities of our beloved multinationals and politicians comes out in the fullest[/COLOR]. I particularly would like to hear about Rumsfelds' efforts for Bectel to build a pipeline from Mosul to Aqaba back in '83.
The powers that be may rue the day he was taken alive.[/QUOTE]If Saddam goes to trial, American intervention, if not instigation, in the Iran-Iraq war will be made public. Many powerful, powerful people would dread that.
Prior to the war in 1991 about 10 hours of tape with Jesse Jackson were never broadcast. If I remember correctly, Saddam offered to turn his country over to the UN for inspections. He did much the same before the last war.
Methinks many powerful, powerful people will regret he was taken alive.
2003-12-14 19:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE]With the arrest of Saddam, the source financing terrorists has been destroyed and terrorist attacks will come to an end. Now we can establish a durable stability and security in Iraq," said council member Jalal Talabani.
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I have my doubts about this.
2003-12-14 19:20 | User Profile
[I]So much for durable stability now that Emmanuel Goldstein has been captured.[/I]
Blasts rock central Baghdad, flames and smoke rise
The Associated Press 12/14/03 12:49 PM
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Large explosions rocked central Baghdad Sunday evening and flames and thick smoke rose from the area, [B]just hours after U.S. officials announced the capture of Saddam Hussein[/B]. A policeman said there were no casualties.
Shortly afterward, bursts of gunfire rang out from the area. The explosions occurred at 8:20 p.m. local time in the central Baghdad area of Karadah.
A policeman said a white four-wheel drive vehicle had exploded on Saadoun street, a busy thoroughfare, after two men jumped from the vehicle and fled the scene.
Two fire trucks arrived a few minutes later and started putting out the blaze.
2003-12-14 19:24 | User Profile
So Christmas came early for the administration.
In the short term it means that the frequency of ââ¬Återrorist actsââ¬Â in Iraq will diminish, as some segments of the resistance will lack motivation, allowing the neocons to claim something akin to closure--we who believed in the righteousness of our cause were right all along! Capturing the dictator equates with finding weapons of mass destruction, we will learn. Prepare yourselves, gentlemen, for a new scale of neocon schadenfreude in the days to come. It may be that some Iraqi elements will redouble their efforts to give impression that overall resistance is not impacted, but this tantrum will not endure. New alliances, based on currency, will supplant many a tribal allegiance, enough for there to be some semblance of calmness for a while, which will suffice for George II. All that is needed is to maintain the legerdemain pertaining to our economic indicators and the impossible (as I saw it, anyway) second term is all but gift-wrapped. Enough pussyfooting, on to Tehran, Damascusââ¬Â¦
:tank:
As for any revelations from the upcoming showtrial, I do not see it. There are after all proven means of ensuring that such does not come to pass.
[QUOTE]Iraqi journalists in the audience stood, pointed and shouted "Death to Saddam!" and "Down with Saddam!"[/QUOTE]
This, I gather, is the sampling or Iraqi journalistic opinion whose commentary is allowed to find its way to our telescreens. We need not labour unduly over the likely sentiments harboured by assigned judges and jury. What fortune that a [URL=http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/14/1071336803092.html?from=top5]ââ¬Åtribunal system for Iraqis to try Saddam and fellow Baathist leaders was set up only last week.ââ¬Â[/URL] This would be comical if it werenââ¬â¢t real.
Nor will there be a Texan with a sympathetic ear guarding Saddamââ¬â¢s cell, a la Goering at Nuremberg. If an average GI Joe must endure screening for the privilege of joining the company of George II for turkey, then imagine if you can, the battery of assessment tools awaiting volunteers eager to keep an eye on Saddam during deliberations. The outcome of which will be nothing less than kosher.
2003-12-14 19:54 | User Profile
First, we couldn't find the WMDs because Saddam wouldn't cooperate with inspections. Then we couldn't find the WMDs because we haven't had enough time to look. Then we couldn't find the WMDs because the Iraqi people were fearful that Saddam would make a return.
Now that Saddam is captured, I wonder what the next excuse will be.
To the Iraqi resistance, Saddam's capture means nothing. To American plans in Iraq, the capture means nothing beyond a PR victory.
2003-12-14 19:55 | User Profile
Saddam Hussein joins the same club as Manuel Noriega--the Empire collects the leaders of other nations the same way a ten year-old acquires his toy action figures. Sadly, the Empire is driven by virtually identical motives and impulses as the ten year-old.
2003-12-14 21:04 | User Profile
As for a trial, for what exactly are they planning on trying him? Defending his country from unprovoked attack?
2003-12-14 21:21 | User Profile
Saddam being captured means NOTHING to me. We had, and have, no authority to go all around the world rounding up Arabs who oppose the NWO/JWO/Israel.
2003-12-14 21:59 | User Profile
Compare the feminine behaviour of America over the past century, its postwar "trials" of the vanquished, with Grant's gentlemanly respect for Lee at Appomattox.
America has become the dirty Jew of the world. It deserves the genetic destruction it embraces.
May the crucified be martyrs and may the martyrs' blood be on America and on its children.
2003-12-14 23:37 | User Profile
Then again, there is this possibility. Bush now has a big enough fig leaf to get the hell out and claim victory. While the neo-cons will whine about "on to Damascus, Tehran, ect.," saner minds might prevail over Bush to ignore the neo-con carping. Right now, Bush is the hero of all times to alot of people. He best set a date on getting us out of there and hope that while most Iraqis are happy about Hussein's demise that they, in turn, will see to it that the attacks decline in a major way.
Bush needs to move quickly on this before the neo-cons find another way to bait us into another war. Maybe James Baker might be the one to see to this.
2003-12-15 02:39 | User Profile
It wouldn't surprise me if Saddam ends up with a bullet in the head before he can embarrass the US with any testimony at a trial. Something along the lines of Jack Ruby silencing Oswald should suffice.
Dan
2003-12-15 03:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Then again, there is this possibility. Bush now has a big enough fig leaf to get the hell out and claim victory. While the neo-cons will whine about "on to Damascus, Tehran, ect.," saner minds might prevail over Bush to ignore the neo-con carping. Right now, Bush is the hero of all times to alot of people. He best set a date on getting us out of there and hope that while most Iraqis are happy about Hussein's demise that they, in turn, will see to it that the attacks decline in a major way.[/QUOTE]
I think you're right. The recent push by the Bush administration to speed-up the transfer of power (at least, the semblance of it) to the Iraqis indicates that George W. wants out at the first face-saving opportunity.
As for Saddam's trial (if it happens), it will probably be more like Stalin's purge trials in the 1930s than the current proceedings against Milosevich. I heard the comment on Fox News today (from Brit Hume? I'm not sure) that Russia and France should be worried by what Saddam will reveal during interrogation. I think that the government will be too embarrassed to make public what Saddam could say about U.S. support for Iraq during the 1980s, when he was our de facto ally against Iran.
Gee, the 1980s. Wasn't that when Rumsfeld's then good friend was being so beastly to the Kurds?
2003-12-15 14:10 | User Profile
I agree with Ruffin's post, yet all the posts here are great. The US has too much blood of innocents and martyrs on it's hands for it to have any moral superiority over any other country. The arrest of Saddam Hussein means sh*t for ordinary Americans and everything for the furtherance of hypocritical selective jewish justice for world domination and American hegemony as a world police force.
Idi Amin of Uganda and Pol Pot of Cambodia both come to mind. These dictators were responsible for millions of deaths in their respective countries, yet both of these thugs never saw the inside of any courtroom. Amin even lived his later years in luxury within Saudi Arabia. Even today, we have Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Castro in Cuba, Kim Jong in N Korea who spit in the face of George Bush moreso than Saddam ever did and are blatanly abusing human rights that the US-Zog usually finds so repulsive, yet do nothing.
It doesn't make sense, only to jews, the injustice and hypocrisy of putting leaders like Saddam and Milosevic and even the Germans at Nuremberg on trial for defending their countries or ruling their lands in a way which doesn't meet the approval of world jewry. The injustice of the Iraq War doesn't change with the capture of Saddam, but only proves how depraved the US has become.
2003-12-15 23:17 | User Profile
AntiYuppie:
"The trial of Hussein is certain to make Nuremberg seem like a model of fairness. Perhaps as a benefit, the process may radicalize "Arab Street" against Zionism and the NWO once again."
[Humor -- not for women, retards or small pets]: "Yes, Tex, I'll have a large order of NWO, with a salad, a pickle, hold the onions, aaand......a donut. No, I'll eat it here....[munch, munch]....mmmmmmm...this is soooo darn good!.....Karl Marx really outdid himself -- and here I questioned Karl's recipe-making skills......hey, Tex, you got any feminism for my salad?....[sprinkle, sprinkle]...mmmmmm......yummy!..."
2003-12-16 03:50 | User Profile
For all the talk of how the evil Saddam will finally pay for his crimes, I can't help thinking that if he, like Anwar Sadat, had been willing to make peace with Israel, he would still be sitting in one of his palaces, lording it over Iraq. Of course, if he had made peace with Israel, the U.S. government would be celebrating Saddam as a force for progress and democracy. And as for the Kurds? Why, they would be the terrorist threat that Saddam had a duty to suppress.
Just like the Turks suppressed their own Kurdish "terrorists". But then, Turkey is an ally of America and Israel.
2003-12-16 21:12 | User Profile
Getting rid of Saddam quietly without giving him a lot of air time -- letting his Iraqi enemies decide his fate and excluding Saddam supporters from the "trial" -- seems to be the scenario prefered by Bush.
[B][SIZE=3]Bush Says Saddam Deserves to Be Executed[/SIZE][/B]
WASHINGTON - Saddam Hussein deserves the "ultimate penalty" but it will be up to the people of Iraq to decide whether he should be executed, President Bush said Tuesday.
The president also said that Iraqis are "capable of conducting the trial themselves."
Bush made his comments in an interview with ABC News' Diane Sawyer.
The president, at a news conference on Monday, had said he had his own opinions about Saddam's fate but he declined to spell them out. He elaborated in the interview Tuesday, and the network released a partial transcript of his remarks.
"I think he ought to receive the ultimate penalty ... for what he has done to his people," the president said. "I mean, he is a torturer, a murderer, they had rape rooms. This is a disgusting tyrant who deserves justice, the ultimate justice. But that will be decided not by the president of the United States but by the citizens of Iraq in one form or another."
2003-12-16 21:33 | User Profile
But that will be decided not by the president of the United States but by the citizens of Iraq in one form or another.
Just as long as they do what I want...